Are today's Southern Conservatives any different than Southern Conservatives from the Civil War?

[Dad2three]

 

[Pheonixops]

Pretty funny! We have a joke at home and with some of our friends that when anything goes wrong we say "Obama did it!" to mock the crazy wingnuts who want to blame him for everything wrong in their own lives. Then when things go right (coincidentally the same things they blamed him for when it was going bad) they then say "No way Obama didn't do it!".
I have a sister-in-law who complained about her car registration fee increasing to my mother in law and literally said "It was something Obama done.". LOL
While holding in a laugh as best I could, I told her it was a State issue and it was something that her Republican governor had done..........pretty sad.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Are today's Southern Conservatives any different than Southern Conservatives from the Civil War?

Well, not much, except they have been supersized...

 

[g5000]

Are today's Southern Conservatives any different than Southern Conservatives from the Civil War?

Well, not much, except they have been supersized...

 

[g5000]

It's not a "talking point" it's a fact. I only had to go as far back as the previous Republican Administration to demonstrate the growth of big government and government spending as well as probably financing two different wars and getting into further debt to the Chinese.

Ayup.

Democrats: Tax and spend.

Republicans: Borrow and spend.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

They've only changed political parties.

There you go again. The democrats remained democrats. The republicans have never been for slavery. That is controlling people against their will, which is big government. Big government is Democrat policy. You democrats are still the same, only your methods have changed. Blacks are still on the Democrat plantation.

The GOP's admission of the Southern Strategy says you are either a liar or ignorant of the facts.

It wasn't my southern strategy and only the opinion one one man. You're putting your get out of jail Chios on one opinion. Fact is the leaders of the racist democrats remained democrats. You can't find any GOP campaign that suggested if you hate *******, cone join the Republican Party.

Besides, how do you explain Jimmy Carter's win in the ?south if they all switched to Republican? You're grasping for straws trying to prove we in the GOP are former slave owners and KKK.

 

[Boss]

Have today's southern conservatives changed from since the days they were slaveholders?

I should think that most Americans have changed since those days. We're talking quite a few generations, after all. What is interesting to note is how absolutely racist society was back then as a whole, whether conservative, liberal, southern or northern. Even the most ardent abolitionists weren't in favor of social integration. That took another century to happen in actuality.

Today's modern conservative movement focuses on empowering the individual over government. It's not about classifying people into racial sub-groups or pandering to special interests based on race... that's what the liberal democrats do.

 

[Dad2three]

They've only changed political parties.

There you go again. The democrats remained democrats. The republicans have never been for slavery. That is controlling people against their will, which is big government. Big government is Democrat policy. You democrats are still the same, only your methods have changed. Blacks are still on the Democrat plantation.

The GOP's admission of the Southern Strategy says you are either a liar or ignorant of the facts.

It wasn't my southern strategy and only the opinion one one man. You're putting your get out of jail Chios on one opinion. Fact is the leaders of the racist democrats remained democrats. You can't find any GOP campaign that suggested if you hate *******, cone join the Republican Party.

Besides, how do you explain Jimmy Carter's win in the ?south if they all switched to Republican? You're grasping for straws trying to prove we in the GOP are former slave owners and KKK.

"Besides, how do you explain Jimmy Carter's win in the ?south if they all switched to Republican?"



You mean the EVANGELICAL SOUTHERN GUV WHO RAN FOR PREZ FROM THE SOUTH, AFTER NIXON'S THING? LOL




"beginning in the 1960s, Southern support for the Democratic Party started to decline after its national leaders supported the civil rights movement, including school integration. The Republican Party began to make gains in the South, building on other cultural conflicts as well. In the presidential election of 1968, President Richard Nixon's "Southern Strategy" is credited with allowing either the Republicans or Southern Democrat George Wallace's independent campaign to keep much of the South out of the Democratic hands at the presidential level.

The South continued to send an overwhelming number of Democratic members to Congress until the Republican Revolution at the 1994 elections. Today, the South is considered a Republican stronghold at the state and federal levels, with Republicans holding majorities in every state except Arkansas and Kentucky after the 2010 elections. Political experts have often cited a southernization of politics following the fall of the Solid South."


...At the 1976 election, Jimmy Carter, a Southern governor, gave Democrats a short-lived comeback in the South (winning every state in the old Confederacy except for Virginia, which was narrowly lost). But, in his unsuccessful 1980 re-election bid, the only Southern states he won were his native state of Georgia and West Virginia. The year 1976 was the last year a Democratic presidential candidate won a majority of Southern electoral votes.
Solid South - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Dad2three]

Have today's southern conservatives changed from since the days they were slaveholders?

I should think that most Americans have changed since those days. We're talking quite a few generations, after all. What is interesting to note is how absolutely racist society was back then as a whole, whether conservative, liberal, southern or northern. Even the most ardent abolitionists weren't in favor of social integration. That took another century to happen in actuality.

Today's modern conservative movement focuses on empowering the individual over government. It's not about classifying people into racial sub-groups or pandering to special interests based on race... that's what the liberal democrats do.

Myths and fairy tales, the conservatives bread and butter

 

[AvgGuyIA]

They've only changed political parties.

There you go again. The democrats remained democrats. The republicans have never been for slavery. That is controlling people against their will, which is big government. Big government is Democrat policy. You democrats are still the same, only your methods have changed. Blacks are still on the Democrat plantation.

The GOP's admission of the Southern Strategy says you are either a liar or ignorant of the facts.

It wasn't my southern strategy and only the opinion one one man. You're putting your get out of jail Chios on one opinion. Fact is the leaders of the racist democrats remained democrats. You can't find any GOP campaign that suggested if you hate *******, cone join the Republican Party.

Besides, how do you explain Jimmy Carter's win in the ?south if they all switched to Republican? You're grasping for straws trying to prove we in the GOP are former slave owners and KKK.

"Besides, how do you explain Jimmy Carter's win in the ?south if they all switched to Republican?"



You mean the EVANGELICAL SOUTHERN GUV WHO RAN FOR PREZ FROM THE SOUTH, AFTER NIXON'S THING? LOL




"beginning in the 1960s, Southern support for the Democratic Party started to decline after its national leaders supported the civil rights movement, including school integration. The Republican Party began to make gains in the South, building on other cultural conflicts as well. In the presidential election of 1968, President Richard Nixon's "Southern Strategy" is credited with allowing either the Republicans or Southern Democrat George Wallace's independent campaign to keep much of the South out of the Democratic hands at the presidential level.

The South continued to send an overwhelming number of Democratic members to Congress until the Republican Revolution at the 1994 elections. Today, the South is considered a Republican stronghold at the state and federal levels, with Republicans holding majorities in every state except Arkansas and Kentucky after the 2010 elections. Political experts have often cited a southernization of politics following the fall of the Solid South."


...At the 1976 election, Jimmy Carter, a Southern governor, gave Democrats a short-lived comeback in the South (winning every state in the old Confederacy except for Virginia, which was narrowly lost). But, in his unsuccessful 1980 re-election bid, the only Southern states he won were his native state of Georgia and West Virginia. The year 1976 was the last year a Democratic presidential candidate won a majority of Southern electoral votes.
Solid South - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Southern Strategy you're pushing? The only real "southern strategy" was blacks switching to the democrat party when it was made it known the democrats would give shit to them for free. Prior to that, blacks mostly voted for republicans.

You're trying to convince us there was a big political party switch ? LOL. It's absurd to believe racist democrats would switch to the Republican party when it was well known the GOP was against slavery, didn't vote for Jim Crowe laws, and passed voting rights laws and truly believes all men are created equal. It's also equally absurd that abolitionist Republicans would switch to the racist Democrat party.

 

[Asclepias]

They've only changed political parties.

There you go again. The democrats remained democrats. The republicans have never been for slavery. That is controlling people against their will, which is big government. Big government is Democrat policy. You democrats are still the same, only your methods have changed. Blacks are still on the Democrat plantation.

The GOP's admission of the Southern Strategy says you are either a liar or ignorant of the facts.

It wasn't my southern strategy and only the opinion one one man. You're putting your get out of jail Chios on one opinion. Fact is the leaders of the racist democrats remained democrats. You can't find any GOP campaign that suggested if you hate *******, cone join the Republican Party.

Besides, how do you explain Jimmy Carter's win in the ?south if they all switched to Republican? You're grasping for straws trying to prove we in the GOP are former slave owners and KKK.

"Besides, how do you explain Jimmy Carter's win in the ?south if they all switched to Republican?"



You mean the EVANGELICAL SOUTHERN GUV WHO RAN FOR PREZ FROM THE SOUTH, AFTER NIXON'S THING? LOL




"beginning in the 1960s, Southern support for the Democratic Party started to decline after its national leaders supported the civil rights movement, including school integration. The Republican Party began to make gains in the South, building on other cultural conflicts as well. In the presidential election of 1968, President Richard Nixon's "Southern Strategy" is credited with allowing either the Republicans or Southern Democrat George Wallace's independent campaign to keep much of the South out of the Democratic hands at the presidential level.

The South continued to send an overwhelming number of Democratic members to Congress until the Republican Revolution at the 1994 elections. Today, the South is considered a Republican stronghold at the state and federal levels, with Republicans holding majorities in every state except Arkansas and Kentucky after the 2010 elections. Political experts have often cited a southernization of politics following the fall of the Solid South."


...At the 1976 election, Jimmy Carter, a Southern governor, gave Democrats a short-lived comeback in the South (winning every state in the old Confederacy except for Virginia, which was narrowly lost). But, in his unsuccessful 1980 re-election bid, the only Southern states he won were his native state of Georgia and West Virginia. The year 1976 was the last year a Democratic presidential candidate won a majority of Southern electoral votes.
Solid South - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Southern Strategy you're pushing? The only real "southern strategy" was blacks switching to the democrat party when it was made it known the democrats would give shit to them for free. Prior to that, blacks mostly voted for republicans.

You're trying to convince us there was a big political party switch ? LOL. It's absurd to believe racist democrats would switch to the Republican party when it was well known the GOP was against slavery, didn't vote for Jim Crowe laws, and passed voting rights laws and truly believes all men are created equal. It's also equally absurd that abolitionist Republicans would switch to the racist Democrat party.

You must have purposely averted your eyes when I posted the proof that the GOP admitted to the Southern Strategy. Its ok by just know we know.

 

[bripat9643]

There you go again. The democrats remained democrats. The republicans have never been for slavery. That is controlling people against their will, which is big government. Big government is Democrat policy. You democrats are still the same, only your methods have changed. Blacks are still on the Democrat plantation.

The GOP's admission of the Southern Strategy says you are either a liar or ignorant of the facts.

It wasn't my southern strategy and only the opinion one one man. You're putting your get out of jail Chios on one opinion. Fact is the leaders of the racist democrats remained democrats. You can't find any GOP campaign that suggested if you hate *******, cone join the Republican Party.

Besides, how do you explain Jimmy Carter's win in the ?south if they all switched to Republican? You're grasping for straws trying to prove we in the GOP are former slave owners and KKK.

"Besides, how do you explain Jimmy Carter's win in the ?south if they all switched to Republican?"



You mean the EVANGELICAL SOUTHERN GUV WHO RAN FOR PREZ FROM THE SOUTH, AFTER NIXON'S THING? LOL




"beginning in the 1960s, Southern support for the Democratic Party started to decline after its national leaders supported the civil rights movement, including school integration. The Republican Party began to make gains in the South, building on other cultural conflicts as well. In the presidential election of 1968, President Richard Nixon's "Southern Strategy" is credited with allowing either the Republicans or Southern Democrat George Wallace's independent campaign to keep much of the South out of the Democratic hands at the presidential level.

The South continued to send an overwhelming number of Democratic members to Congress until the Republican Revolution at the 1994 elections. Today, the South is considered a Republican stronghold at the state and federal levels, with Republicans holding majorities in every state except Arkansas and Kentucky after the 2010 elections. Political experts have often cited a southernization of politics following the fall of the Solid South."


...At the 1976 election, Jimmy Carter, a Southern governor, gave Democrats a short-lived comeback in the South (winning every state in the old Confederacy except for Virginia, which was narrowly lost). But, in his unsuccessful 1980 re-election bid, the only Southern states he won were his native state of Georgia and West Virginia. The year 1976 was the last year a Democratic presidential candidate won a majority of Southern electoral votes.
Solid South - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Southern Strategy you're pushing? The only real "southern strategy" was blacks switching to the democrat party when it was made it known the democrats would give shit to them for free. Prior to that, blacks mostly voted for republicans.

You're trying to convince us there was a big political party switch ? LOL. It's absurd to believe racist democrats would switch to the Republican party when it was well known the GOP was against slavery, didn't vote for Jim Crowe laws, and passed voting rights laws and truly believes all men are created equal. It's also equally absurd that abolitionist Republicans would switch to the racist Democrat party.

You must have purposely averted your eyes when I posted the proof that the GOP admitted to the Southern Strategy. Its ok by just know we know.

You posted proof of almost nothing. For one thing, Lee Atwater had nothing to do with the Nixon campaign, so any remarks he makes about the so-called "Southern Strategy" are speculation, at best. He had no inside knowledge. No one who had inside knowledge has ever said a thing to confirm the existence of any so-called "Southern Strategy."

For another thing, your recording has no context. We don't know what Atwater was responding to, so what he said is virtually meaningless.

 

[Flash]

My Great, Great, Great Grandfather was a Confederate soldier. He joined the 5th Florida Regiment. He fought at the Battle of Olustee and later on was shipped up to Richmond and was in the Battle of Cold Harbor.

He wrote a series of 243 letters during that time. Those letters have been donated to the University of Florida Library and are available for anyone to read that has access to the library. There are other letters from Confederate soldiers and they tell about the same story.

He was a farmer rancher in Florida and would be considered a Libertarian by today's standard. He wasn't very concerned when Florida seceded from the Union. That didn't affect him much. He felt that was just the politicians doing their political things and he could care less.

He did get concerned when Lincoln announced that he was going to raise an Army and fight the Southerners. In fact that pissed him off.

He joined the Florida Regiment to protect Florida and in Feb of 1864 he actually fought against a Union invasion at Olustee.

He was wounded at Cold Harbor and when the war came to an end to he refused to take a loyalty oath to the Union and walked from Richmond back to Polk County Florida.

After reading his letters several times I don't think he would be considered anything but a real Conservative or Libertarian. He sure didn't like the government. I think he was a patriot. He fought for his state and his family. He didn't own any slaves and he distrusted the politicians in the state and federal government. I think most Confederate soldiers were like him.

 

[Dad2three]

They've only changed political parties.

There you go again. The democrats remained democrats. The republicans have never been for slavery. That is controlling people against their will, which is big government. Big government is Democrat policy. You democrats are still the same, only your methods have changed. Blacks are still on the Democrat plantation.

The GOP's admission of the Southern Strategy says you are either a liar or ignorant of the facts.

It wasn't my southern strategy and only the opinion one one man. You're putting your get out of jail Chios on one opinion. Fact is the leaders of the racist democrats remained democrats. You can't find any GOP campaign that suggested if you hate *******, cone join the Republican Party.

Besides, how do you explain Jimmy Carter's win in the ?south if they all switched to Republican? You're grasping for straws trying to prove we in the GOP are former slave owners and KKK.

"Besides, how do you explain Jimmy Carter's win in the ?south if they all switched to Republican?"



You mean the EVANGELICAL SOUTHERN GUV WHO RAN FOR PREZ FROM THE SOUTH, AFTER NIXON'S THING? LOL




"beginning in the 1960s, Southern support for the Democratic Party started to decline after its national leaders supported the civil rights movement, including school integration. The Republican Party began to make gains in the South, building on other cultural conflicts as well. In the presidential election of 1968, President Richard Nixon's "Southern Strategy" is credited with allowing either the Republicans or Southern Democrat George Wallace's independent campaign to keep much of the South out of the Democratic hands at the presidential level.

The South continued to send an overwhelming number of Democratic members to Congress until the Republican Revolution at the 1994 elections. Today, the South is considered a Republican stronghold at the state and federal levels, with Republicans holding majorities in every state except Arkansas and Kentucky after the 2010 elections. Political experts have often cited a southernization of politics following the fall of the Solid South."


...At the 1976 election, Jimmy Carter, a Southern governor, gave Democrats a short-lived comeback in the South (winning every state in the old Confederacy except for Virginia, which was narrowly lost). But, in his unsuccessful 1980 re-election bid, the only Southern states he won were his native state of Georgia and West Virginia. The year 1976 was the last year a Democratic presidential candidate won a majority of Southern electoral votes.
Solid South - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Southern Strategy you're pushing? The only real "southern strategy" was blacks switching to the democrat party when it was made it known the democrats would give shit to them for free. Prior to that, blacks mostly voted for republicans.

You're trying to convince us there was a big political party switch ? LOL. It's absurd to believe racist democrats would switch to the Republican party when it was well known the GOP was against slavery, didn't vote for Jim Crowe laws, and passed voting rights laws and truly believes all men are created equal. It's also equally absurd that abolitionist Republicans would switch to the racist Democrat party.

I get it Bubba, conservatives LOVE Big Federal Gov't Abe AND Big Gov't Trust buster Teddy Roosevelt right? lol

BTW, IT WAS THE DEMS WHO PASSED CIVIL RIGHTS, IT WAS THE SOUTHERN STATES WHO OPPOSED IT, TODAY'S GOP BASE

 

[Dad2three]

The GOP's admission of the Southern Strategy says you are either a liar or ignorant of the facts.

It wasn't my southern strategy and only the opinion one one man. You're putting your get out of jail Chios on one opinion. Fact is the leaders of the racist democrats remained democrats. You can't find any GOP campaign that suggested if you hate *******, cone join the Republican Party.

Besides, how do you explain Jimmy Carter's win in the ?south if they all switched to Republican? You're grasping for straws trying to prove we in the GOP are former slave owners and KKK.

"Besides, how do you explain Jimmy Carter's win in the ?south if they all switched to Republican?"



You mean the EVANGELICAL SOUTHERN GUV WHO RAN FOR PREZ FROM THE SOUTH, AFTER NIXON'S THING? LOL




"beginning in the 1960s, Southern support for the Democratic Party started to decline after its national leaders supported the civil rights movement, including school integration. The Republican Party began to make gains in the South, building on other cultural conflicts as well. In the presidential election of 1968, President Richard Nixon's "Southern Strategy" is credited with allowing either the Republicans or Southern Democrat George Wallace's independent campaign to keep much of the South out of the Democratic hands at the presidential level.

The South continued to send an overwhelming number of Democratic members to Congress until the Republican Revolution at the 1994 elections. Today, the South is considered a Republican stronghold at the state and federal levels, with Republicans holding majorities in every state except Arkansas and Kentucky after the 2010 elections. Political experts have often cited a southernization of politics following the fall of the Solid South."


...At the 1976 election, Jimmy Carter, a Southern governor, gave Democrats a short-lived comeback in the South (winning every state in the old Confederacy except for Virginia, which was narrowly lost). But, in his unsuccessful 1980 re-election bid, the only Southern states he won were his native state of Georgia and West Virginia. The year 1976 was the last year a Democratic presidential candidate won a majority of Southern electoral votes.
Solid South - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Southern Strategy you're pushing? The only real "southern strategy" was blacks switching to the democrat party when it was made it known the democrats would give shit to them for free. Prior to that, blacks mostly voted for republicans.

You're trying to convince us there was a big political party switch ? LOL. It's absurd to believe racist democrats would switch to the Republican party when it was well known the GOP was against slavery, didn't vote for Jim Crowe laws, and passed voting rights laws and truly believes all men are created equal. It's also equally absurd that abolitionist Republicans would switch to the racist Democrat party.

You must have purposely averted your eyes when I posted the proof that the GOP admitted to the Southern Strategy. Its ok by just know we know.

You posted proof of almost nothing. For one thing, Lee Atwater had nothing to do with the Nixon campaign, so any remarks he makes about the so-called "Southern Strategy" are speculation, at best. He had no inside knowledge. No one who had inside knowledge has ever said a thing to confirm the existence of any so-called "Southern Strategy."

For another thing, your recording has no context. We don't know what Atwater was responding to, so what he said is virtually meaningless.

LOL, Yeah, there was no such thing as the Southern Strategy *shaking head*

 

[Asclepias]

My Great, Great, Great Grandfather was a Confederate soldier. He joined the 5th Florida Regiment. He fought at the Battle of Olustee and later on was shipped up to Richmond and was in the Battle of Cold Harbor.

He wrote a series of 243 letters during that time. Those letters have been donated to the University of Florida Library and are available for anyone to read that has access to the library. There are other letters from Confederate soldiers and they tell about the same story.

He was a farmer rancher in Florida and would be considered a Libertarian by today's standard. He wasn't very concerned when Florida seceded from the Union. That didn't affect him much. He felt that was just the politicians doing their political things and he could care less.

He did get concerned when Lincoln announced that he was going to raise an Army and fight the Southerners. In fact that pissed him off.

He joined the Florida Regiment to protect Florida and in Feb of 1864 he actually fought against a Union invasion at Olustee.

He was wounded at Cold Harbor and when the war came to an end to he refused to take a loyalty oath to the Union and walked from Richmond back to Polk County Florida.

After reading his letters several times I don't think he would be considered anything but a real Conservative or Libertarian. He sure didn't like the government. I think he was a patriot. He fought for his state and his family. He didn't own any slaves and he distrusted the politicians in the state and federal government. I think most Confederate soldiers were like him.

I think you are naive. Most confederates fought to keep Black people slaves. Says so right in the articles of secession. If he knew thats what they were fighting for then he would have known it was wrong. I'm glad he lost.

 

[Dad2three]

My Great, Great, Great Grandfather was a Confederate soldier. He joined the 5th Florida Regiment. He fought at the Battle of Olustee and later on was shipped up to Richmond and was in the Battle of Cold Harbor.

He wrote a series of 243 letters during that time. Those letters have been donated to the University of Florida Library and are available for anyone to read that has access to the library. There are other letters from Confederate soldiers and they tell about the same story.

He was a farmer rancher in Florida and would be considered a Libertarian by today's standard. He wasn't very concerned when Florida seceded from the Union. That didn't affect him much. He felt that was just the politicians doing their political things and he could care less.

He did get concerned when Lincoln announced that he was going to raise an Army and fight the Southerners. In fact that pissed him off.

He joined the Florida Regiment to protect Florida and in Feb of 1864 he actually fought against a Union invasion at Olustee.

He was wounded at Cold Harbor and when the war came to an end to he refused to take a loyalty oath to the Union and walked from Richmond back to Polk County Florida.

After reading his letters several times I don't think he would be considered anything but a real Conservative or Libertarian. He sure didn't like the government. I think he was a patriot. He fought for his state and his family. He didn't own any slaves and he distrusted the politicians in the state and federal government. I think most Confederate soldiers were like him.

Probably all true. The confederates just wanted libertarian paradise of the Articles of Confederation, they don't need no functioning or united Gov't. Hell the US would look like the rest of North America if left up to confederates/conservatives

That's why it was difficult to pass the US Constitution. They didn't want a federal Gov't, they preferred the race to the bottom with no functioning Gov't, lol

And yes, over 90%+ of residents of the slave states (EDIT - DIDN'T) actually hold slaves, like today the confederate staters LOVE sucking off the Boss's

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Is today's weak-ass hack bitch propagandizing wannabe, rderp, any different than a steaming pile of dog shit we happen to step in?

 

[Asclepias]

I can feel it coming. Now they are going to claim the Civil War was because of state rights for the south.

This is the first paragraph of Mississippi's declaration of secession.

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin."

 

[Dad2three]

vc

Is today's weak-ass hack bitch propagandizing wannabe, rderp, any different than a steaming pile of dog shit we happen to step in?