Are today's Southern Conservatives any different than Southern Conservatives from the Civil War?

[bripat9643]

It wasn't my southern strategy and only the opinion one one man. You're putting your get out of jail Chios on one opinion. Fact is the leaders of the racist democrats remained democrats. You can't find any GOP campaign that suggested if you hate *******, cone join the Republican Party.

Besides, how do you explain Jimmy Carter's win in the ?south if they all switched to Republican? You're grasping for straws trying to prove we in the GOP are former slave owners and KKK.

"Besides, how do you explain Jimmy Carter's win in the ?south if they all switched to Republican?"



You mean the EVANGELICAL SOUTHERN GUV WHO RAN FOR PREZ FROM THE SOUTH, AFTER NIXON'S THING? LOL




"beginning in the 1960s, Southern support for the Democratic Party started to decline after its national leaders supported the civil rights movement, including school integration. The Republican Party began to make gains in the South, building on other cultural conflicts as well. In the presidential election of 1968, President Richard Nixon's "Southern Strategy" is credited with allowing either the Republicans or Southern Democrat George Wallace's independent campaign to keep much of the South out of the Democratic hands at the presidential level.

The South continued to send an overwhelming number of Democratic members to Congress until the Republican Revolution at the 1994 elections. Today, the South is considered a Republican stronghold at the state and federal levels, with Republicans holding majorities in every state except Arkansas and Kentucky after the 2010 elections. Political experts have often cited a southernization of politics following the fall of the Solid South."


...At the 1976 election, Jimmy Carter, a Southern governor, gave Democrats a short-lived comeback in the South (winning every state in the old Confederacy except for Virginia, which was narrowly lost). But, in his unsuccessful 1980 re-election bid, the only Southern states he won were his native state of Georgia and West Virginia. The year 1976 was the last year a Democratic presidential candidate won a majority of Southern electoral votes.
Solid South - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Southern Strategy you're pushing? The only real "southern strategy" was blacks switching to the democrat party when it was made it known the democrats would give shit to them for free. Prior to that, blacks mostly voted for republicans.

You're trying to convince us there was a big political party switch ? LOL. It's absurd to believe racist democrats would switch to the Republican party when it was well known the GOP was against slavery, didn't vote for Jim Crowe laws, and passed voting rights laws and truly believes all men are created equal. It's also equally absurd that abolitionist Republicans would switch to the racist Democrat party.

You must have purposely averted your eyes when I posted the proof that the GOP admitted to the Southern Strategy. Its ok by just know we know.

You posted proof of almost nothing. For one thing, Lee Atwater had nothing to do with the Nixon campaign, so any remarks he makes about the so-called "Southern Strategy" are speculation, at best. He had no inside knowledge. No one who had inside knowledge has ever said a thing to confirm the existence of any so-called "Southern Strategy."

For another thing, your recording has no context. We don't know what Atwater was responding to, so what he said is virtually meaningless.

LOL, Yeah, there was no such thing as the Southern Strategy *shaking head*

No there isn't. That's a liberal myth. The fact that a bunch of numskulls believe it proves nothing.

 

[bripat9643]

I can feel it coming. Now they are going to claim the Civil War was because of state rights for the south.

This is the first paragraph of Mississippi's declaration of secession.

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin."

The Civil War happened because Lincoln invaded Virginia. It's as simple as that.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

vc

Is today's weak-ass hack bitch propagandizing wannabe, rderp, any different than a steaming pile of dog shit we happen to step in?

^ there was no doubt that a weak-minded butthole like dud3 would say something trite, vapid, stupid and useless.

But the fact that the idiot considers his uninteresting pointless post to constitute a "rejoinder" does serve as an admission that the poor hapless laughable liberal eunuch has nothing at all to offer.

 

[Dad2three]

"Besides, how do you explain Jimmy Carter's win in the ?south if they all switched to Republican?"



You mean the EVANGELICAL SOUTHERN GUV WHO RAN FOR PREZ FROM THE SOUTH, AFTER NIXON'S THING? LOL




"beginning in the 1960s, Southern support for the Democratic Party started to decline after its national leaders supported the civil rights movement, including school integration. The Republican Party began to make gains in the South, building on other cultural conflicts as well. In the presidential election of 1968, President Richard Nixon's "Southern Strategy" is credited with allowing either the Republicans or Southern Democrat George Wallace's independent campaign to keep much of the South out of the Democratic hands at the presidential level.

The South continued to send an overwhelming number of Democratic members to Congress until the Republican Revolution at the 1994 elections. Today, the South is considered a Republican stronghold at the state and federal levels, with Republicans holding majorities in every state except Arkansas and Kentucky after the 2010 elections. Political experts have often cited a southernization of politics following the fall of the Solid South."


...At the 1976 election, Jimmy Carter, a Southern governor, gave Democrats a short-lived comeback in the South (winning every state in the old Confederacy except for Virginia, which was narrowly lost). But, in his unsuccessful 1980 re-election bid, the only Southern states he won were his native state of Georgia and West Virginia. The year 1976 was the last year a Democratic presidential candidate won a majority of Southern electoral votes.
Solid South - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Southern Strategy you're pushing? The only real "southern strategy" was blacks switching to the democrat party when it was made it known the democrats would give shit to them for free. Prior to that, blacks mostly voted for republicans.

You're trying to convince us there was a big political party switch ? LOL. It's absurd to believe racist democrats would switch to the Republican party when it was well known the GOP was against slavery, didn't vote for Jim Crowe laws, and passed voting rights laws and truly believes all men are created equal. It's also equally absurd that abolitionist Republicans would switch to the racist Democrat party.

You must have purposely averted your eyes when I posted the proof that the GOP admitted to the Southern Strategy. Its ok by just know we know.

You posted proof of almost nothing. For one thing, Lee Atwater had nothing to do with the Nixon campaign, so any remarks he makes about the so-called "Southern Strategy" are speculation, at best. He had no inside knowledge. No one who had inside knowledge has ever said a thing to confirm the existence of any so-called "Southern Strategy."

For another thing, your recording has no context. We don't know what Atwater was responding to, so what he said is virtually meaningless.

LOL, Yeah, there was no such thing as the Southern Strategy *shaking head*

No there isn't. That's a liberal myth. The fact that a bunch of numskulls believe it proves nothing.

7/14/2005
Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman apologized to one of the nation's largest black civil rights groups Thursday, saying Republicans had not done enough to court blacks in the past and had exploited racial strife to court white voters, particularly in the South.


"Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," Mehlman said at the annual convention of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

Mehlman's apology to the NAACP at the group's convention in Milwaukee marked the first time a top Republican Party leader has denounced the so-called Southern Strategy employed by Richard Nixon and other Republicans to peel away white voters in what was then the heavily Democratic South. Beginning in the mid-1960s, Republicans encouraged disaffected Southern white voters to vote Republican by blaming pro-civil rights Democrats for racial unrest and other racial problems.

USATODAY.com - GOP We were wrong to play racial politics


Apr 23, 2010


RNC Chair Michael Steele Confesses to Race-Based Southern Strategy

In fact, Steele’s remarks could not be more explicit:

Why should an African-American vote Republican?

“You really don’t have a reason to, to be honest — we haven’t done a very good job of really giving you one. True? True,”

“…We have lost sight of the historic, integral link between the party and African-Americans,” Steele said. “This party was co-founded by blacks, among them Frederick Douglass. The Republican Party had a hand in forming the NAACP, and yet we have mistreated that relationship. People don’t walk away from parties, Their parties walk away from them.

“For the last 40-plus years we had a ‘Southern Strategy’ that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South. Well, guess what happened in 1992, folks, ‘Bubba’ went back home to the Democratic Party and voted for Bill Clinton.”



RNC Chair Michael Steele Confesses to Race-Based Southern Strategy Mediaite


n a 1970 New York Times interview, Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips was blunt in describing the strategy he perfected,


"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."




lol

 

[Dad2three]

I can feel it coming. Now they are going to claim the Civil War was because of state rights for the south.

This is the first paragraph of Mississippi's declaration of secession.

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin."

The Civil War happened because Lincoln invaded Virginia. It's as simple as that.

LIAR

 

[Plasmaball]

They've only changed political parties.

There you go again. The democrats remained democrats. The republicans have never been for slavery. That is controlling people against their will, which is big government. Big government is Democrat policy. You democrats are still the same, only your methods have changed. Blacks are still on the Democrat plantation.

wow good job at this fucking retarded attempt to put the blame on the left for slavery.

what utter trash

 

[Flash]

I think you are naive. Most confederates fought to keep Black people slaves. Says so right in the articles of secession. If he knew thats what they were fighting for then he would have known it was wrong. I'm glad he lost.

Stop being a dumbass. You obviously only have a Jr High School history textbook knowledge of the Civil War. You are the one that is naive or maybe it is just simple ignorance. Sometime it is hard to tell the difference.

I suggest that if you really want to know about the war instead of reading the crap the winners wrote you should actually read first hand accounts from the people that experienced it. They will tell you reasons why they fought it.

On second thought who cares? Believe what you want.

 

[Flash]

My Great, Great, Great Grandfather was a Confederate soldier. He joined the 5th Florida Regiment. He fought at the Battle of Olustee and later on was shipped up to Richmond and was in the Battle of Cold Harbor.

He wrote a series of 243 letters during that time. Those letters have been donated to the University of Florida Library and are available for anyone to read that has access to the library. There are other letters from Confederate soldiers and they tell about the same story.

He was a farmer rancher in Florida and would be considered a Libertarian by today's standard. He wasn't very concerned when Florida seceded from the Union. That didn't affect him much. He felt that was just the politicians doing their political things and he could care less.

He did get concerned when Lincoln announced that he was going to raise an Army and fight the Southerners. In fact that pissed him off.

He joined the Florida Regiment to protect Florida and in Feb of 1864 he actually fought against a Union invasion at Olustee.

He was wounded at Cold Harbor and when the war came to an end to he refused to take a loyalty oath to the Union and walked from Richmond back to Polk County Florida.

After reading his letters several times I don't think he would be considered anything but a real Conservative or Libertarian. He sure didn't like the government. I think he was a patriot. He fought for his state and his family. He didn't own any slaves and he distrusted the politicians in the state and federal government. I think most Confederate soldiers were like him.

Probably all true. The confederates just wanted libertarian paradise of the Articles of Confederation, they don't need no functioning or united Gov't. Hell the US would look like the rest of North America if left up to confederates/conservatives

That's why it was difficult to pass the US Constitution. They didn't want a federal Gov't, they preferred the race to the bottom with no functioning Gov't, lol

And yes, over 90%+ of residents of the slave states (EDIT - DIDN'T) actually hold slaves, like today the confederate staters LOVE sucking off the Boss's

My Great (3) Grandfather had little use for the government. He said so in his letters. He was doing OK without somebody telling him what to do every day of his life. He worked hard and provided for his family. He expected other people to do the same.

He fought when he felt threatened. However, had the Confederacy won he probably wouldn't have any more use for the Confederate government than he had for the USA government.

That concept is called personal responsibility and modern day Liberals can't seem to ever understand that some people just don't need the government running their lives for them.

 

[Dad2three]

My Great, Great, Great Grandfather was a Confederate soldier. He joined the 5th Florida Regiment. He fought at the Battle of Olustee and later on was shipped up to Richmond and was in the Battle of Cold Harbor.

He wrote a series of 243 letters during that time. Those letters have been donated to the University of Florida Library and are available for anyone to read that has access to the library. There are other letters from Confederate soldiers and they tell about the same story.

He was a farmer rancher in Florida and would be considered a Libertarian by today's standard. He wasn't very concerned when Florida seceded from the Union. That didn't affect him much. He felt that was just the politicians doing their political things and he could care less.

He did get concerned when Lincoln announced that he was going to raise an Army and fight the Southerners. In fact that pissed him off.

He joined the Florida Regiment to protect Florida and in Feb of 1864 he actually fought against a Union invasion at Olustee.

He was wounded at Cold Harbor and when the war came to an end to he refused to take a loyalty oath to the Union and walked from Richmond back to Polk County Florida.

After reading his letters several times I don't think he would be considered anything but a real Conservative or Libertarian. He sure didn't like the government. I think he was a patriot. He fought for his state and his family. He didn't own any slaves and he distrusted the politicians in the state and federal government. I think most Confederate soldiers were like him.

Probably all true. The confederates just wanted libertarian paradise of the Articles of Confederation, they don't need no functioning or united Gov't. Hell the US would look like the rest of North America if left up to confederates/conservatives

That's why it was difficult to pass the US Constitution. They didn't want a federal Gov't, they preferred the race to the bottom with no functioning Gov't, lol

And yes, over 90%+ of residents of the slave states (EDIT - DIDN'T) actually hold slaves, like today the confederate staters LOVE sucking off the Boss's

My Great (3) Grandfather had little use for the government. He said so in his letters. He was doing OK without somebody telling him what to do every day of his life. He worked hard and provided for his family. He expected other people to do the same.

He fought when he felt threatened. However, had the Confederacy won he probably wouldn't have any more use for the Confederate government than he had for the USA government.

That concept is called personal responsibility and modern day Liberals can't seem to ever understand that some people just don't need the government running their lives for them.

Personal responsibility the right LOVES, except when it comes down to it, lol

Your political philosophy NEVER has worked in the history of the entire world, why is that? If left up to the right, the US would look like a 3rd world nation the US did before STRONG PROGRESSIVE POLICIES CREATED THE WORLDS LARGEST MIDDLE CLASS!



AND NO, THE US NEVER WAS A LIBERTARIAN PLACE, FROM DAY ONE, WE WERE NOT!



"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."
Thomas Jefferson

 

[bripat9643]

Southern Strategy you're pushing? The only real "southern strategy" was blacks switching to the democrat party when it was made it known the democrats would give shit to them for free. Prior to that, blacks mostly voted for republicans.

You're trying to convince us there was a big political party switch ? LOL. It's absurd to believe racist democrats would switch to the Republican party when it was well known the GOP was against slavery, didn't vote for Jim Crowe laws, and passed voting rights laws and truly believes all men are created equal. It's also equally absurd that abolitionist Republicans would switch to the racist Democrat party.

You must have purposely averted your eyes when I posted the proof that the GOP admitted to the Southern Strategy. Its ok by just know we know.

You posted proof of almost nothing. For one thing, Lee Atwater had nothing to do with the Nixon campaign, so any remarks he makes about the so-called "Southern Strategy" are speculation, at best. He had no inside knowledge. No one who had inside knowledge has ever said a thing to confirm the existence of any so-called "Southern Strategy."

For another thing, your recording has no context. We don't know what Atwater was responding to, so what he said is virtually meaningless.

LOL, Yeah, there was no such thing as the Southern Strategy *shaking head*

No there isn't. That's a liberal myth. The fact that a bunch of numskulls believe it proves nothing.

7/14/2005
Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman apologized to one of the nation's largest black civil rights groups Thursday, saying Republicans had not done enough to court blacks in the past and had exploited racial strife to court white voters, particularly in the South.


"Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," Mehlman said at the annual convention of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

Mehlman's apology to the NAACP at the group's convention in Milwaukee marked the first time a top Republican Party leader has denounced the so-called Southern Strategy employed by Richard Nixon and other Republicans to peel away white voters in what was then the heavily Democratic South. Beginning in the mid-1960s, Republicans encouraged disaffected Southern white voters to vote Republican by blaming pro-civil rights Democrats for racial unrest and other racial problems.

USATODAY.com - GOP We were wrong to play racial politics


Apr 23, 2010


RNC Chair Michael Steele Confesses to Race-Based Southern Strategy

In fact, Steele’s remarks could not be more explicit:

Why should an African-American vote Republican?

“You really don’t have a reason to, to be honest — we haven’t done a very good job of really giving you one. True? True,”

“…We have lost sight of the historic, integral link between the party and African-Americans,” Steele said. “This party was co-founded by blacks, among them Frederick Douglass. The Republican Party had a hand in forming the NAACP, and yet we have mistreated that relationship. People don’t walk away from parties, Their parties walk away from them.

“For the last 40-plus years we had a ‘Southern Strategy’ that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South. Well, guess what happened in 1992, folks, ‘Bubba’ went back home to the Democratic Party and voted for Bill Clinton.”



RNC Chair Michael Steele Confesses to Race-Based Southern Strategy Mediaite


n a 1970 New York Times interview, Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips was blunt in describing the strategy he perfected,


"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."




lol

None of that proves a thing. Try quoting someone who actually worked for the campaign, not a couple Republican politicians trying to suck up to blacks 50 years later.

 

[bripat9643]

I can feel it coming. Now they are going to claim the Civil War was because of state rights for the south.

This is the first paragraph of Mississippi's declaration of secession.

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin."

The Civil War happened because Lincoln invaded Virginia. It's as simple as that.

LIAR

Yeah, there's a big difference, moron. The Confederacy never invaded anyone, nor did it commit genocide.

Only the biggest dumb fucking asshole would pretend there's even a remote resemblance between the two.

 

[Flash]

My Great, Great, Great Grandfather was a Confederate soldier. He joined the 5th Florida Regiment. He fought at the Battle of Olustee and later on was shipped up to Richmond and was in the Battle of Cold Harbor.

He wrote a series of 243 letters during that time. Those letters have been donated to the University of Florida Library and are available for anyone to read that has access to the library. There are other letters from Confederate soldiers and they tell about the same story.

He was a farmer rancher in Florida and would be considered a Libertarian by today's standard. He wasn't very concerned when Florida seceded from the Union. That didn't affect him much. He felt that was just the politicians doing their political things and he could care less.

He did get concerned when Lincoln announced that he was going to raise an Army and fight the Southerners. In fact that pissed him off.

He joined the Florida Regiment to protect Florida and in Feb of 1864 he actually fought against a Union invasion at Olustee.

He was wounded at Cold Harbor and when the war came to an end to he refused to take a loyalty oath to the Union and walked from Richmond back to Polk County Florida.

After reading his letters several times I don't think he would be considered anything but a real Conservative or Libertarian. He sure didn't like the government. I think he was a patriot. He fought for his state and his family. He didn't own any slaves and he distrusted the politicians in the state and federal government. I think most Confederate soldiers were like him.

Probably all true. The confederates just wanted libertarian paradise of the Articles of Confederation, they don't need no functioning or united Gov't. Hell the US would look like the rest of North America if left up to confederates/conservatives

That's why it was difficult to pass the US Constitution. They didn't want a federal Gov't, they preferred the race to the bottom with no functioning Gov't, lol

And yes, over 90%+ of residents of the slave states (EDIT - DIDN'T) actually hold slaves, like today the confederate staters LOVE sucking off the Boss's

My Great (3) Grandfather had little use for the government. He said so in his letters. He was doing OK without somebody telling him what to do every day of his life. He worked hard and provided for his family. He expected other people to do the same.

He fought when he felt threatened. However, had the Confederacy won he probably wouldn't have any more use for the Confederate government than he had for the USA government.

That concept is called personal responsibility and modern day Liberals can't seem to ever understand that some people just don't need the government running their lives for them.

Personal responsibility the right LOVES, except when it comes down to it, lol

Your political philosophy NEVER has worked in the history of the entire world, why is that? If left up to the right, the US would look like a 3rd world nation the US did before STRONG PROGRESSIVE POLICIES CREATED THE WORLDS LARGEST MIDDLE CLASS!



AND NO, THE US NEVER WAS A LIBERTARIAN PLACE, FROM DAY ONE, WE WERE NOT!



"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."
Thomas Jefferson

Most of the history of humans on earth there was a Libertarian life with very little real government interference.

Government is a relatively recent invention. Big government only in the last 100 years or so. The kings of medieval times made slaves of the serfs. Nowadays we are making slaves of ourselves through a convoluted "democracy" process where the majority (usually only a plurality) can steal from the minority.

Socialism has failed big time all over the world and our socialist welfare state debt ridden US government is not far from failing.

If you have good government then just wait because it will soon turn bad.

If you already have bad government then it will turn worse as we have seen in our country since Obama was elected.

It is the greedy nature of humans to take freedom away from their fellow man and to use government power to steal. .

 

[Dad2three]

You must have purposely averted your eyes when I posted the proof that the GOP admitted to the Southern Strategy. Its ok by just know we know.

You posted proof of almost nothing. For one thing, Lee Atwater had nothing to do with the Nixon campaign, so any remarks he makes about the so-called "Southern Strategy" are speculation, at best. He had no inside knowledge. No one who had inside knowledge has ever said a thing to confirm the existence of any so-called "Southern Strategy."

For another thing, your recording has no context. We don't know what Atwater was responding to, so what he said is virtually meaningless.

LOL, Yeah, there was no such thing as the Southern Strategy *shaking head*

No there isn't. That's a liberal myth. The fact that a bunch of numskulls believe it proves nothing.

7/14/2005
Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman apologized to one of the nation's largest black civil rights groups Thursday, saying Republicans had not done enough to court blacks in the past and had exploited racial strife to court white voters, particularly in the South.


"Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," Mehlman said at the annual convention of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

Mehlman's apology to the NAACP at the group's convention in Milwaukee marked the first time a top Republican Party leader has denounced the so-called Southern Strategy employed by Richard Nixon and other Republicans to peel away white voters in what was then the heavily Democratic South. Beginning in the mid-1960s, Republicans encouraged disaffected Southern white voters to vote Republican by blaming pro-civil rights Democrats for racial unrest and other racial problems.

USATODAY.com - GOP We were wrong to play racial politics


Apr 23, 2010


RNC Chair Michael Steele Confesses to Race-Based Southern Strategy

In fact, Steele’s remarks could not be more explicit:

Why should an African-American vote Republican?

“You really don’t have a reason to, to be honest — we haven’t done a very good job of really giving you one. True? True,”

“…We have lost sight of the historic, integral link between the party and African-Americans,” Steele said. “This party was co-founded by blacks, among them Frederick Douglass. The Republican Party had a hand in forming the NAACP, and yet we have mistreated that relationship. People don’t walk away from parties, Their parties walk away from them.

“For the last 40-plus years we had a ‘Southern Strategy’ that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South. Well, guess what happened in 1992, folks, ‘Bubba’ went back home to the Democratic Party and voted for Bill Clinton.”



RNC Chair Michael Steele Confesses to Race-Based Southern Strategy Mediaite


n a 1970 New York Times interview, Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips was blunt in describing the strategy he perfected,


"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."




lol

None of that proves a thing. Try quoting someone who actually worked for the campaign, not a couple Republican politicians trying to suck up to blacks 50 years later.

DISHONEST POS, LOL

AGAIN:

"In a 1970 New York Times interview, Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips was blunt in describing the strategy he perfected,


"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."

 

[Dad2three]

My Great, Great, Great Grandfather was a Confederate soldier. He joined the 5th Florida Regiment. He fought at the Battle of Olustee and later on was shipped up to Richmond and was in the Battle of Cold Harbor.

He wrote a series of 243 letters during that time. Those letters have been donated to the University of Florida Library and are available for anyone to read that has access to the library. There are other letters from Confederate soldiers and they tell about the same story.

He was a farmer rancher in Florida and would be considered a Libertarian by today's standard. He wasn't very concerned when Florida seceded from the Union. That didn't affect him much. He felt that was just the politicians doing their political things and he could care less.

He did get concerned when Lincoln announced that he was going to raise an Army and fight the Southerners. In fact that pissed him off.

He joined the Florida Regiment to protect Florida and in Feb of 1864 he actually fought against a Union invasion at Olustee.

He was wounded at Cold Harbor and when the war came to an end to he refused to take a loyalty oath to the Union and walked from Richmond back to Polk County Florida.

After reading his letters several times I don't think he would be considered anything but a real Conservative or Libertarian. He sure didn't like the government. I think he was a patriot. He fought for his state and his family. He didn't own any slaves and he distrusted the politicians in the state and federal government. I think most Confederate soldiers were like him.

Probably all true. The confederates just wanted libertarian paradise of the Articles of Confederation, they don't need no functioning or united Gov't. Hell the US would look like the rest of North America if left up to confederates/conservatives

That's why it was difficult to pass the US Constitution. They didn't want a federal Gov't, they preferred the race to the bottom with no functioning Gov't, lol

And yes, over 90%+ of residents of the slave states (EDIT - DIDN'T) actually hold slaves, like today the confederate staters LOVE sucking off the Boss's

My Great (3) Grandfather had little use for the government. He said so in his letters. He was doing OK without somebody telling him what to do every day of his life. He worked hard and provided for his family. He expected other people to do the same.

He fought when he felt threatened. However, had the Confederacy won he probably wouldn't have any more use for the Confederate government than he had for the USA government.

That concept is called personal responsibility and modern day Liberals can't seem to ever understand that some people just don't need the government running their lives for them.

Personal responsibility the right LOVES, except when it comes down to it, lol

Your political philosophy NEVER has worked in the history of the entire world, why is that? If left up to the right, the US would look like a 3rd world nation the US did before STRONG PROGRESSIVE POLICIES CREATED THE WORLDS LARGEST MIDDLE CLASS!



AND NO, THE US NEVER WAS A LIBERTARIAN PLACE, FROM DAY ONE, WE WERE NOT!



"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."
Thomas Jefferson

Most of the history of humans on earth there was a Libertarian life with very little real government interference.

Government is a relatively recent invention. Big government only in the last 100 years or so. The kings of medieval times made slaves of the serfs. Nowadays we are making slaves of ourselves through a convoluted "democracy" process where the majority (usually only a plurality) can steal from the minority.

Socialism has failed big time all over the world and our socialist welfare state debt ridden US government is not far from failing.

If you have good government then just wait because it will soon turn bad.

If you already have bad government then it will turn worse as we have seen in our country since Obama was elected.

It is the greedy nature of humans to take freedom away from their fellow man and to use government power to steal. .

POS libertarians

90%+ of current debt can be traced back to Reagan/.Dubya tax cuts for the 'job creators' and their other policies!





“The Democrats are the party of government activism, the party that says government can make you richer, smarter, taller, and get the chickweed out of your lawn. Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work, and then get elected and prove it." - P.J. O’rourke



Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father, American diplomat, statesman, and scientist; letter to Robert Morris, December 25, 1783:

"All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."


"Dynastic wealth, the enemy of a meritocracy, is on the rise. Equality of opportunity has been on the decline. A progressive and meaningful estate tax is needed to curb the movement of a democracy toward plutocracy." Warren Buffett

 

[bripat9643]

You posted proof of almost nothing. For one thing, Lee Atwater had nothing to do with the Nixon campaign, so any remarks he makes about the so-called "Southern Strategy" are speculation, at best. He had no inside knowledge. No one who had inside knowledge has ever said a thing to confirm the existence of any so-called "Southern Strategy."

For another thing, your recording has no context. We don't know what Atwater was responding to, so what he said is virtually meaningless.

LOL, Yeah, there was no such thing as the Southern Strategy *shaking head*

No there isn't. That's a liberal myth. The fact that a bunch of numskulls believe it proves nothing.

7/14/2005
Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman apologized to one of the nation's largest black civil rights groups Thursday, saying Republicans had not done enough to court blacks in the past and had exploited racial strife to court white voters, particularly in the South.


"Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," Mehlman said at the annual convention of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

Mehlman's apology to the NAACP at the group's convention in Milwaukee marked the first time a top Republican Party leader has denounced the so-called Southern Strategy employed by Richard Nixon and other Republicans to peel away white voters in what was then the heavily Democratic South. Beginning in the mid-1960s, Republicans encouraged disaffected Southern white voters to vote Republican by blaming pro-civil rights Democrats for racial unrest and other racial problems.

USATODAY.com - GOP We were wrong to play racial politics


Apr 23, 2010


RNC Chair Michael Steele Confesses to Race-Based Southern Strategy

In fact, Steele’s remarks could not be more explicit:

Why should an African-American vote Republican?

“You really don’t have a reason to, to be honest — we haven’t done a very good job of really giving you one. True? True,”

“…We have lost sight of the historic, integral link between the party and African-Americans,” Steele said. “This party was co-founded by blacks, among them Frederick Douglass. The Republican Party had a hand in forming the NAACP, and yet we have mistreated that relationship. People don’t walk away from parties, Their parties walk away from them.

“For the last 40-plus years we had a ‘Southern Strategy’ that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South. Well, guess what happened in 1992, folks, ‘Bubba’ went back home to the Democratic Party and voted for Bill Clinton.”



RNC Chair Michael Steele Confesses to Race-Based Southern Strategy Mediaite


n a 1970 New York Times interview, Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips was blunt in describing the strategy he perfected,


"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."




lol

None of that proves a thing. Try quoting someone who actually worked for the campaign, not a couple Republican politicians trying to suck up to blacks 50 years later.

DISHONEST POS, LOL

AGAIN:

"In a 1970 New York Times interview, Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips was blunt in describing the strategy he perfected,


"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."

So the Southern Strategy consists of encouraging black people to vote?

 

[Faun]

I can feel it coming. Now they are going to claim the Civil War was because of state rights for the south.

This is the first paragraph of Mississippi's declaration of secession.

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin."

The Civil War happened because Lincoln invaded Virginia. It's as simple as that.

It's as simple as you're brain-dead. The Civil war happened because the south seceded.

 

[Dad2three]

I can feel it coming. Now they are going to claim the Civil War was because of state rights for the south.

This is the first paragraph of Mississippi's declaration of secession.

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin."

The Civil War happened because Lincoln invaded Virginia. It's as simple as that.

LIAR

Yeah, there's a big difference, moron. The Confederacy never invaded anyone, nor did it commit genocide.

Only the biggest dumb fucking asshole would pretend there's even a remote resemblance between the two.

Sure, the confederates DIDN'T really attack FEDERAL Ft Sumpter, lol


The Confederate States of America (C.S.A. or C.S.), commonly referred to as the Confederacy, was an unrecognized confederation of secessionist states existing from 1861–65. It was originally formed by seven slave states in the Lower South region of the United States whose regional economy was mostly dependent upon agriculture, particularly cotton, and a plantation system of production which in turn largely relied upon slave labor. Each had declared their secession from the United States following the November 1860 election of Republican Abraham Lincoln on a platform which opposed expansion of slavery. A new federal government was proclaimed in February 1861 before Lincoln took office in March, but was considered illegal by the remaining U.S. After war began in April, four states of the Upper South also declared their secession and joined the Confederacy. The Confederacy later accepted Missouri and Kentucky as members, although neither officially declared secession nor were ever controlled by Confederate forces.

The United States (the Union) government rejected secession and considered the Confederacy illegal. The American Civil War began with the April 12, 1861 Confederate attack upon Fort Sumter, a fort in the harbor of Charleston, South Carolina. By 1865, after very heavy fighting, largely on Confederate territory, CSA forces all surrendered and the Confederacy vanished. No foreign state officially recognized the Confederacy as an independent country,

Confederate States of America - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

FUKKING CONSERVATIVES/CONFEDERATES WERE TRAITORS THEN AS TODAY!!!

 

[bripat9643]

I can feel it coming. Now they are going to claim the Civil War was because of state rights for the south.

This is the first paragraph of Mississippi's declaration of secession.

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin."

The Civil War happened because Lincoln invaded Virginia. It's as simple as that.

It's as simple as you're brain-dead. The Civil war happened because the south seceded.

Wrong. It happened because Lincoln invaded Virginia.

 

[Dad2three]

LOL, Yeah, there was no such thing as the Southern Strategy *shaking head*

No there isn't. That's a liberal myth. The fact that a bunch of numskulls believe it proves nothing.

7/14/2005
Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman apologized to one of the nation's largest black civil rights groups Thursday, saying Republicans had not done enough to court blacks in the past and had exploited racial strife to court white voters, particularly in the South.


"Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization," Mehlman said at the annual convention of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

Mehlman's apology to the NAACP at the group's convention in Milwaukee marked the first time a top Republican Party leader has denounced the so-called Southern Strategy employed by Richard Nixon and other Republicans to peel away white voters in what was then the heavily Democratic South. Beginning in the mid-1960s, Republicans encouraged disaffected Southern white voters to vote Republican by blaming pro-civil rights Democrats for racial unrest and other racial problems.

USATODAY.com - GOP We were wrong to play racial politics


Apr 23, 2010


RNC Chair Michael Steele Confesses to Race-Based Southern Strategy

In fact, Steele’s remarks could not be more explicit:

Why should an African-American vote Republican?

“You really don’t have a reason to, to be honest — we haven’t done a very good job of really giving you one. True? True,”

“…We have lost sight of the historic, integral link between the party and African-Americans,” Steele said. “This party was co-founded by blacks, among them Frederick Douglass. The Republican Party had a hand in forming the NAACP, and yet we have mistreated that relationship. People don’t walk away from parties, Their parties walk away from them.

“For the last 40-plus years we had a ‘Southern Strategy’ that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South. Well, guess what happened in 1992, folks, ‘Bubba’ went back home to the Democratic Party and voted for Bill Clinton.”



RNC Chair Michael Steele Confesses to Race-Based Southern Strategy Mediaite


n a 1970 New York Times interview, Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips was blunt in describing the strategy he perfected,


"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."




lol

None of that proves a thing. Try quoting someone who actually worked for the campaign, not a couple Republican politicians trying to suck up to blacks 50 years later.

DISHONEST POS, LOL

AGAIN:

"In a 1970 New York Times interview, Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips was blunt in describing the strategy he perfected,


"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."

So the Southern Strategy consists of encouraging black people to vote?

Your continued dishonesty, isn't shocking...

"The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are."

 

[bripat9643]

I can feel it coming. Now they are going to claim the Civil War was because of state rights for the south.

This is the first paragraph of Mississippi's declaration of secession.

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin."

The Civil War happened because Lincoln invaded Virginia. It's as simple as that.

LIAR

Yeah, there's a big difference, moron. The Confederacy never invaded anyone, nor did it commit genocide.

Only the biggest dumb fucking asshole would pretend there's even a remote resemblance between the two.

Sure, the confederates DIDN'T really attack FEDERAL Ft Sumpter, lol


The Confederate States of America (C.S.A. or C.S.), commonly referred to as the Confederacy, was an unrecognized confederation of secessionist states existing from 1861–65. It was originally formed by seven slave states in the Lower South region of the United States whose regional economy was mostly dependent upon agriculture, particularly cotton, and a plantation system of production which in turn largely relied upon slave labor. Each had declared their secession from the United States following the November 1860 election of Republican Abraham Lincoln on a platform which opposed expansion of slavery. A new federal government was proclaimed in February 1861 before Lincoln took office in March, but was considered illegal by the remaining U.S. After war began in April, four states of the Upper South also declared their secession and joined the Confederacy. The Confederacy later accepted Missouri and Kentucky as members, although neither officially declared secession nor were ever controlled by Confederate forces.

The United States (the Union) government rejected secession and considered the Confederacy illegal. The American Civil War began with the April 12, 1861 Confederate attack upon Fort Sumter, a fort in the harbor of Charleston, South Carolina. By 1865, after very heavy fighting, largely on Confederate territory, CSA forces all surrendered and the Confederacy vanished. No foreign state officially recognized the Confederacy as an independent country,

Confederate States of America - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

FUKKING CONSERVATIVES/CONFEDERATES WERE TRAITORS THEN AS TODAY!!!

I've already explained this argument is bogus about 2 dozen times, but you morons will repeat it over and over like a mantra. You don't care whether it's valid or not.