Arizona execution goes terribly wrong

[Andylusion]

The saddest part about this is that you are right that we shouldn't kill people, yet you still use pathetic arguments to make your point. At least I can now say with certainty that you are an idiot because only an idiot that never read the Constitution would argue that the death penalty is unconstitutional.

Terrible. How more insulting to justice, than to force the victims to pay for the room and board, and health care, of someone who murdered their daughter and husband.

That's constitutional in your book? You are sick.

The constitution clearly says no cruel or unusual punishment.

But more to the point, it takes a lot more money to execute someone than it does to lock them up for the rest of their lives. Maybe the victim's family won't mind paying the extra, but I certainly do.

Putting a murderer to death, is neither cruel, or unusual.

I don't care about the money, when it's used for a good cause.

The primary duty of government, more than anything else, is to enforce the laws of the country.

Take all the money from welfare (all forms), and move it to enforcing murder laws, and that to me is an excellent trade.

Further, if we ask the victims whether their tax money taken from their pay check should go to life long free rent, food, health care, even education, of the people who murdered their loved ones, or should that money go to put them to death.... most would rather their money go to making sure they never harm another person ever again, rather than free room and board, and services for life.

Additionally there is no such thing as an escape proof prison. What happens when the guy escapes? What happens if budget cuts push for parole?

And how many times have we heard this story? Where a guy caught, convicted and imprisoned, ends up out on the street and kills again?

Revealed: The five murderers given life in jail but freed to kill again | Mail Online

Andrew Dawson, George Johnson, Ernest Wright, David Cook and Desmond Lee were all allowed out on licence despite getting life sentences

Some even killed again within weeks of being released from prison

Bereft families of their victims say that 'life should mean life' for murderers

Of course you don't give a crap about the victims. You don't care how much suffering you cause them, by allowing the murderers who killed their loved ones, live to kill again.

Like all 'holier than thou' leftists, you couldn't care less about the people whose lives are ruined. You people never do.

http://www.expressnews.com/news/loc...t-for-escaped-murderer-who-killed-5379646.php

The night in 1997 when Ramiro Hernandez-Llanas bludgeoned to death a Kerrville rancher who employed him, then assaulted and terrorized the man's widow at knifepoint, he mimicked injecting a syringe into his arm — an apparent reference to lethal injection.

“It doesn't matter to me,” Hernandez said as he made the gesture, Glen Lich's widow recalled at his capital murder trial three years later.

Authorities learned after the slaying that killing hadn't been new to the defendant. He came to Kerrville after escaping prison in Mexico, where he was serving 25 years in prison for a 1989 bludgeoning death in his hometown of Nuevo Laredo.

So what if he escaped from prison in 1989. At least he wasn't put to death, right? That's all you leftists care about, right? So he killed his employer, we liberals hate employers. And the widow, was just a corporate slut or something right? Who cares if more victims are put in the ground, as long as we don't put to death a murderer.

You leftists are sick. You are just sick twisted evil people. That's all there is to it.

 

[JoeB131]

Obviously, you are more worried about the criminal, than the victims, like all leftards. You are a very sick, and sorry little person.

Further, I could not possibly care less what you think of me. Whatever floats your tiny little boat, go for it.

Maybe *YOU* are not much better than Mr Wood. The rest of us, most certainly are. Again, you don't think so, then try doing what he did, and we will prove we're better than you, by doing the same to you.

Uh, guy, we are the only industrialized country other than Japan that still has a death penalty.

I'm perfectly fine locking up people like Mr. Woods up for the rest of their lives. This is what we do with 99% of the people who commit homicides in this country, and it works out just fine.

 

[JoeB131]

Terrible. How more insulting to justice, than to force the victims to pay for the room and board, and health care, of someone who murdered their daughter and husband.

That's constitutional in your book? You are sick.

The constitution clearly says no cruel or unusual punishment.

But more to the point, it takes a lot more money to execute someone than it does to lock them up for the rest of their lives. Maybe the victim's family won't mind paying the extra, but I certainly do.

Putting a murderer to death, is neither cruel, or unusual.

I don't care about the money, when it's used for a good cause.

But it's not a good cause.

Deleting out your murder porn, the fact is, when the state spends a shitload of money to finally execute a guy like Woods after 25 years of appeals, they don't have the money to keep other guys locked up.

Further, the death penalty has no deterent value, and is a waste of resources.

 

[Andylusion]

Obviously, you are more worried about the criminal, than the victims, like all leftards. You are a very sick, and sorry little person.

Further, I could not possibly care less what you think of me. Whatever floats your tiny little boat, go for it.

Maybe *YOU* are not much better than Mr Wood. The rest of us, most certainly are. Again, you don't think so, then try doing what he did, and we will prove we're better than you, by doing the same to you.

Uh, guy, we are the only industrialized country other than Japan that still has a death penalty.

I'm perfectly fine locking up people like Mr. Woods up for the rest of their lives. This is what we do with 99% of the people who commit homicides in this country, and it works out just fine.

Works just fine, to force the victims of murderers, to pay through taxes, for the food, lodging, cable TV, health care, heating and air, of the murderers who killed their loved ones.

Works just fine until one escapes, is accidentally released, or are intentionally paroled, and allowed to murder again. Then the victims who always find out, end up re-living the devastation all over again, and are joined by new victims, all of which is due to people like you supporting murderers..

But again, you don't care. You leftists never do. You sit on your arrogance and self-righteous pedestal above all your victims, thinking how better you are than everyone else. Who cares the pain and suffering your ideology causes. All that matters, is that you are just so much better than everyone else, supporting the murderers of our society.

 

[Mr Natural]

Works just fine, to force the victims of murderers, to pay through taxes, for the food, lodging, cable TV, health care, heating and air, of the murderers who killed their loved ones.

Far better they should pay for the endless appeals?


Those attorneys don't work cheap, you know.

 

[Andylusion]

The constitution clearly says no cruel or unusual punishment.

But more to the point, it takes a lot more money to execute someone than it does to lock them up for the rest of their lives. Maybe the victim's family won't mind paying the extra, but I certainly do.

Putting a murderer to death, is neither cruel, or unusual.

I don't care about the money, when it's used for a good cause.

But it's not a good cause.

Deleting out your murder porn, the fact is, when the state spends a shitload of money to finally execute a guy like Woods after 25 years of appeals, they don't have the money to keep other guys locked up.

Further, the death penalty has no deterent value, and is a waste of resources.

Really? It's not a deterrent? LOL

Do tell... how many murderers put to death, have been able to murder again? List off the victims of those murdered, by a murderer after he was put to death?

Because I can, and will be more than willing to list off the victims *YOU* allowed to be killed by preventing just punishment on those who were already convicted of murder.

You don't care. Why do I bother. You think a 'good cause' is protecting murderers so they can murder again. You don't care about victims anyway. You don't care how many die, as long you feel good about protecting the life of a murderer. Sick people. Just sick twisted people like you, supporting murderers. Give yourself a gold star dude. Feel good about yourself. Hope no one you know is murdered, or raped, or brutalized and hospitalized, like I do.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Obviously, you are more worried about the criminal, than the victims, like all leftards. You are a very sick, and sorry little person.

Further, I could not possibly care less what you think of me. Whatever floats your tiny little boat, go for it.

Maybe *YOU* are not much better than Mr Wood. The rest of us, most certainly are. Again, you don't think so, then try doing what he did, and we will prove we're better than you, by doing the same to you.

Uh, guy, we are the only industrialized country other than Japan that still has a death penalty.

I'm perfectly fine locking up people like Mr. Woods up for the rest of their lives. This is what we do with 99% of the people who commit homicides in this country, and it works out just fine.

Works just fine, to force the victims of murderers, to pay through taxes, for the food, lodging, cable TV, health care, heating and air, of the murderers who killed their loved ones.

Works just fine until one escapes, is accidentally released, or are intentionally paroled, and allowed to murder again. Then the victims who always find out, end up re-living the devastation all over again, and are joined by new victims, all of which is due to people like you supporting murderers..

But again, you don't care. You leftists never do. You sit on your arrogance and self-righteous pedestal above all your victims, thinking how better you are than everyone else. Who cares the pain and suffering your ideology causes. All that matters, is that you are just so much better than everyone else, supporting the murderers of our society.

Works just fine until one escapes, is accidentally released, or are intentionally paroled, and allowed to murder again.

they dont even have to be out of jails to commit murders

they murder other prisoners and correction officers

frequently

we put to death a dude out here who killed a guard

ironically his brother in another state for another crime

was executed a few years ago

 

[Andylusion]

Works just fine, to force the victims of murderers, to pay through taxes, for the food, lodging, cable TV, health care, heating and air, of the murderers who killed their loved ones.

Far better they should pay for the endless appeals?


Those attorneys don't work cheap, you know.

Absolutely. I'd much rather they be sweating it out in a court appeal, than living stress free on the tax dollars of the very people they victimized.

Absolutely. 100%. If I have to pay taxes for a murderer either way, I'd much rather them shaking in fear in an appeals court, than relaxing on a bunk watching cable TV.

And, no I am not suggesting that Prisons are the same as luxury hotels, but I am saying I'd still rather them sweating non-stop every appeal, than chilling watching biggest loser reruns.

Beyond that, we can fix this problem, real quick. Limit appeals. From the time of conviction, give them 5 years, and 5 appeals. You have 5 years, and 5 appeals, and then you fry. If you can't prove your innocents in 5 years, or 5 appeals, then times up. That will cut down on the cost, real quick.

 

[percysunshine]

This could lead to the abolition of executions.

Arizona Execution of Joseph Wood Took Nearly Two Hours - NBC News

An Arizona execution took nearly two hours on Wednesday, and witnesses said he gasped and snorted for well over an hour.

The execution of double-murderer Joseph Wood — which Arizona carried out with a lethal-injection it had never before tried — is certain to fan the debate over how U.S. states carry out the death penalty.

"I've never witnessed an execution that took that long," defense lawyer Dale Baich told NBC News. "The state of Arizona today conducted a failed experiment....It was horrible to watch."
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"There is nothing wrong with a little shooting, as long as all the right people get shot."

--- Dirty Harry

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[Katzndogz]

The saddest part about this is that you are right that we shouldn't kill people, yet you still use pathetic arguments to make your point. At least I can now say with certainty that you are an idiot because only an idiot that never read the Constitution would argue that the death penalty is unconstitutional.

Terrible. How more insulting to justice, than to force the victims to pay for the room and board, and health care, of someone who murdered their daughter and husband.

That's constitutional in your book? You are sick.

The constitution clearly says no cruel or unusual punishment.

But more to the point, it takes a lot more money to execute someone than it does to lock them up for the rest of their lives. Maybe the victim's family won't mind paying the extra, but I certainly do.

You might want to reread that Constitution. It clearly says cruel AND unusual. That recognizes that the method of death may indeed be cruel. It may be unusual. It cannot be both.

The reason why it takes more money to execute someone than to lock them up for the rest of their lives is because those who receive the death penalty ARE locked up for the rest of their lives. They aren't executed. If the comparison was made between someone who is locked up for a life sentence and someone who dies of natural causes on death row, the expenses would be just about the same. Joseph Wood was sentenced in 1989. Every dime spent on his care since that date is a waste of money. Had he been executed in 1989, the state would have saved millions.

 

[JFK_USA]

I'm sure his victims died quite comfortably.

Doesn't matter. We have a constitutional right to protect us against cruel and unusual punishment from the government. A two hour execution is cruel and unusual.

 

[Malamute]

But it's not a good cause.

Deleting out your murder porn, the fact is, when the state spends a shitload of money to finally execute a guy like Woods after 25 years of appeals, they don't have the money to keep other guys locked up.

Further, the death penalty has no deterent value, and is a waste of resources.

There shouldn't be so many appeals --- just move the process along faster and we can have less thugs locked up, they will be gone.

It's a very good cause because some people are like rabid dogs, there is no purpose in their live except to be evil and murderous. It doesn't matter if the death penalty is a deterrent.

 

[percysunshine]

"Shit Happens"

---Forrest Gump

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[Mr Natural]

Maybe the families and friends of the victims should be the ones to carry out the execution by whatever means they see fit.

 

[Harry Dresden]

So that makes us better than him, how?

It's called "justice". It's when you deal sufficient punishment that is fitting to the crime. After being abusive to his girl friend, Debbie Dietz, until she finally was tired of being abused, and left.

At which point, Joseph R. Wood walked into a auto shop where she and her father worked, shot her father, with the fathers brother right with him. The 70 year old brother, attempted to stop Woods, in a vain attempt to save the girl. Woods knocked him aside, and aimed at a shop employee who fled. Woods then went straight to where Debbie was working, held her in a choke hold (or similar), and while holding her, shot her in the stomach, and then in the chest.

So what makes us better than him? What could possibly make us better than him.

If you really don't know.... then go and do the same as him, and we'll do the same to you. When you are gasping for air for 2 hours, you can use that time to figure out why we're better than him.

Dumbest questions on this forum sometimes. Just absolute stupidity on display.

So your attitude, like most backward-ass, bible thumping morons, is that it's okay for the state to torture you if you were a bad person or did bad things.

Got it.

Obviously, you have "Revenge" confused with "Justice", and frankly, a lot the bloodlust I've seen on this thread tells me that we probably aren't much better than the late, unlamented Mr. Woods.

Joe how is it torture?....most executions go off like they are supposed to....torture is done purposely.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

The saddest part about this is that you are right that we shouldn't kill people, yet you still use pathetic arguments to make your point. At least I can now say with certainty that you are an idiot because only an idiot that never read the Constitution would argue that the death penalty is unconstitutional.

Terrible. How more insulting to justice, than to force the victims to pay for the room and board, and health care, of someone who murdered their daughter and husband.

That's constitutional in your book? You are sick.

The constitution clearly says no cruel or unusual punishment.

But more to the point, it takes a lot more money to execute someone than it does to lock them up for the rest of their lives. Maybe the victim's family won't mind paying the extra, but I certainly do.

since many are on death row for 25 years you may be right....

 

[JFK_USA]

Putting a murderer to death, is neither cruel, or unusual.

I don't care about the money, when it's used for a good cause.

But it's not a good cause.

Deleting out your murder porn, the fact is, when the state spends a shitload of money to finally execute a guy like Woods after 25 years of appeals, they don't have the money to keep other guys locked up.

Further, the death penalty has no deterent value, and is a waste of resources.

Really? It's not a deterrent? LOL

Do tell... how many murderers put to death, have been able to murder again? List off the victims of those murdered, by a murderer after he was put to death?

Because I can, and will be more than willing to list off the victims *YOU* allowed to be killed by preventing just punishment on those who were already convicted of murder.

You don't care. Why do I bother. You think a 'good cause' is protecting murderers so they can murder again. You don't care about victims anyway. You don't care how many die, as long you feel good about protecting the life of a murderer. Sick people. Just sick twisted people like you, supporting murderers. Give yourself a gold star dude. Feel good about yourself. Hope no one you know is murdered, or raped, or brutalized and hospitalized, like I do.

Life imprisonment is just as good of a deterrent as the death penalty for that specific murderer. However, when we speak of deterrents, we speak of other people besides the murderer.

Not to mention the 100+ death row inmates who were exonerated through DNA evidence. How many others were innocently executed?

And despite your experience, every individual has rights. From the average Joe citizen to a serial killer. Every person has rights. Thus when the 8th amendment the government shall not issue punishment that is cruel and unusual, a 2 hour execution apples.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Works just fine, to force the victims of murderers, to pay through taxes, for the food, lodging, cable TV, health care, heating and air, of the murderers who killed their loved ones.

Far better they should pay for the endless appeals?


Those attorneys don't work cheap, you know.

thats why it should have a time period....5 years....appeals are done....

 

[Crystalclear]

Works just fine, to force the victims of murderers, to pay through taxes, for the food, lodging, cable TV, health care, heating and air, of the murderers who killed their loved ones.

Far better they should pay for the endless appeals?





Those attorneys don't work cheap, you know.

That's why the process to execution shouldn't take so long. A maximum of 5 years on death row, for example.

 

[AgentSparky]

I have no sympathy for him. If it took him 2 hours to die, at least he lived 2 hours longer than his murder victims.

The justice system does not exist to imitate the cruel, and heinous.

And yet you show sympathy towards this cruel and heinous perpetrator.

Why?