Arizona execution goes terribly wrong

[JoeB131]

Neither of those offenses merited being sentenced to death. Or going to prison for life. Yeah, it was kind of stupid for him to do, but the thing took on a life of its own when cops and prosecutors in DuPage just couldn't admit when they made a mistake.

A gang member, who already had a rap sheet, intentionally lied about a murder case, leading police on a wild goose chase, in order to get money, and the plan backfired, all while toying with the victims families, thinking they could find their missing girl.

And here you are making excuses for him. Yet another criminal loving leftist. If I were you, I wouldn't be able to look in the mirror without barfing all over myself. Sick. Just sick.

Meh. I'd have no problem if they charged him with obstruction of justice.

I have a huge problem with these guys trying to railroad him for a murder he didn't do.

Oh, the girl wasn't "missing' at that point. They had already found the body.

I'm not a piss-ignorant bible thumper? Yes, we've already established that.

Jeffery Skilling. Jordan Belfort. Allen Stanford. Michael Milken. Alfred Taubman. Bernie Madoff.

None of those guys were executed. They were convicted and sent do a nice Club Fed minimum security prison.

So, steal millions from thousands of people, go to Club Fed. Steal $100 buck to feed your drug habit, get consigned to the fifth circle of hell in a maximum security prison.

Says that guy who allows murderers to murder again. I have not allowed one single murderer, by my policy positions, to kill a single innocent person. *YOU* are the one with blood on your head. *YOU* have the deaths of innocents on your hands. *YOU* are the murder supporter. Not me. I'd have justice done.

Quite the contrary. Because the prisons have to cut a certain number of other guys loose to pay for htat one very expensive execution, that does cause more crime.

Angry? Yes, I am angry about this, and rightfully so. I am just, and right, to be angry about *YOU* allowing innocent people to die at the hands of murderers. Yes, AND I SHOULD BE. *YOU* cause the death of innocent people. We should be mad about injustice. The fact you don't care, just makes you a dog.

Guy, we have a high crime rate compared to the socialist Europeans because of the economic inequality and racism your side is just fine with.

Oh shut up. People are tried for perjury all the time. Endless excuses from you murderer supporters. Don't care about the victims, no no, "oh dear how can they determine if someone lied", as if it's never been done before. Just more lame excuses from people who support innocent being murdered. Just shut up. You have no credibility. Go hang out with your gangster friends you love so much.

Wow, guy. Just because I'm not keen on letting you have your murder porn, doesn't mean I don't care about victims.

What you guys are doing doesn't work. We have not executed ourselves to a lower crime rate.

 

[JoeB131]

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Now to leftists, this is just a fluke.

To Capitalists, this is a logical, and expected outcome of socialized care.

When the government is in charge, there is static amount of money available.

No, this is actually good policy. there's no point wasting money on surgery if you aren't going to get a good result.

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If you have limited funds, and you can only treat a specific number of people, and there are more people than money for treatment.... what do you do?

You go with the person who has the most need, not the most money, obviously.

But we have poor kids who die every day waiting for surgery while rich assholes are taking up hospital space with plastic surgery.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

No, this is actually good policy. there's no point wasting money on surgery if you aren't going to get a good result.

Yet you complain when insurance companies have that policy.

Cognitive dissonance anyone?

You go with the person who has the most need, not the most money, obviously.

But we have poor kids who die every day waiting for surgery while rich assholes are taking up hospital space with plastic surgery.

Plastic surgery isn't done at hospitals, oh he who cannot debate without lying.

 

[BobPlumb]

^I feel like vomiting.

I usually feel better if I vomit and get if over with!

 

[JoeB131]

No, this is actually good policy. there's no point wasting money on surgery if you aren't going to get a good result.

Yet you complain when insurance companies have that policy.

Cognitive dissonance anyone?

Well, except they have a profit motive, which kind of invalidates any judgement they have.

You go with the person who has the most need, not the most money, obviously.

But we have poor kids who die every day waiting for surgery while rich assholes are taking up hospital space with plastic surgery.

Plastic surgery isn't done at hospitals, oh he who cannot debate without lying.

Completely irrelevent to the point I was making, Crazy-dude.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

No, this is actually good policy. there's no point wasting money on surgery if you aren't going to get a good result.

Yet you complain when insurance companies have that policy.

Cognitive dissonance anyone?

Well, except they have a profit motive, which kind of invalidates any judgement they have.

Even when it is backed by medical opinion, or just when it is convenient for you to claim you have a point?

You go with the person who has the most need, not the most money, obviously.

But we have poor kids who die every day waiting for surgery while rich assholes are taking up hospital space with plastic surgery.

Plastic surgery isn't done at hospitals, oh he who cannot debate without lying.

Completely irrelevent to the point I was making, Crazy-dude.

The point you were making is that people getting plastic surgery deny hospital beds to sick children. Given the fact that plastic surgery is done at private clinics, I think my response was entirely relevant to the pathetic excuse you call a point.

Facts are a bitch, aren't they?

 

[JoeB131]

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The point you were making is that people getting plastic surgery deny hospital beds to sick children. Given the fact that plastic surgery is done at private clinics, I think my response was entirely relevant to the pathetic excuse you call a point.

Facts are a bitch, aren't they?

nope, still the relevence, guy.

I could explain it to you and you still won't get it.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

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The point you were making is that people getting plastic surgery deny hospital beds to sick children. Given the fact that plastic surgery is done at private clinics, I think my response was entirely relevant to the pathetic excuse you call a point.

Facts are a bitch, aren't they?

nope, still the relevence, guy.

I could explain it to you and you still won't get it.

That is probably true, I have a hard time following idiots when they try to talk their way out of what they said.

Tell me something, did you, or did you not, claim that plastic surgery patients take up hospital beds that could be used by sick children? If that wasn't you, why did I find it in your post? Given the fact that plastic surgery is an out patient procedure, meaning that people getting plastic surgery rarely use a hospital bed, how is my pointing out the fact that you cannot post without lying irrelevant?

 

[JoeB131]

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The point you were making is that people getting plastic surgery deny hospital beds to sick children. Given the fact that plastic surgery is done at private clinics, I think my response was entirely relevant to the pathetic excuse you call a point.

Facts are a bitch, aren't they?

nope, still the relevence, guy.

I could explain it to you and you still won't get it.

That is probably true, I have a hard time following idiots when they try to talk their way out of what they said.

Tell me something, did you, or did you not, claim that plastic surgery patients take up hospital beds that could be used by sick children? If that wasn't you, why did I find it in your post? Given the fact that plastic surgery is an out patient procedure, meaning that people getting plastic surgery rarely use a hospital bed, how is my pointing out the fact that you cannot post without lying irrelevant?

Not all plastic surgery is an outpatient procedure.

And it does consume medical resources.

But tell me again how you are a good CHristian that you think poor kids should die of treatable diseases while rich assholes get tummy tucks.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

nope, still the relevence, guy.

I could explain it to you and you still won't get it.

That is probably true, I have a hard time following idiots when they try to talk their way out of what they said.

Tell me something, did you, or did you not, claim that plastic surgery patients take up hospital beds that could be used by sick children? If that wasn't you, why did I find it in your post? Given the fact that plastic surgery is an out patient procedure, meaning that people getting plastic surgery rarely use a hospital bed, how is my pointing out the fact that you cannot post without lying irrelevant?

Not all plastic surgery is an outpatient procedure.

And it does consume medical resources.

But tell me again how you are a good CHristian that you think poor kids should die of treatable diseases while rich assholes get tummy tucks.

Sigh.

The "medical resources" used for plastic surgery are specialized, and pretty useless at treating curable diseases. Anyone with an IQ above the freezing point of Helium should know that, but feel free to continue to spout nonsense in defense of your absurd idea that the government can be trusted to heal people, but can't be trusted to kill them.

Told you I would remember that.

Did you know that plastic surgery is not covered by insurance? Or that, as a result of people actually having to pay for it themselves, the cost of plastic surgery have actually trended down over the years? How do you explain that?

 

[Politico]

Yeah the government is the answer. When the ACA fully kicks in breathing will be a pre-existing condition.

That's nice, but what do you base that on?

Fact is, the people the government already deal with are the people that big insurance wouldn't touch.

The fact that there are not enough resources for everyone to receive healthcare much less equal healthcare. At the end of the day people will be denied and left to die. It already happens now.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah the government is the answer. When the ACA fully kicks in breathing will be a pre-existing condition.

That's nice, but what do you base that on?

Fact is, the people the government already deal with are the people that big insurance wouldn't touch.

The fact that there are not enough resources for everyone to receive healthcare much less equal healthcare. At the end of the day people will be denied and left to die. It already happens now.

Horseshit. We are spending plenty of money. It's just a lot of it is wasted on 8 figure CEO salaries and unnecessary testing and end of life treatment for people who are going to die anyway.

 

[JoeB131]

Sigh.

The "medical resources" used for plastic surgery are specialized, and pretty useless at treating curable diseases. Anyone with an IQ above the freezing point of Helium should know that, but feel free to continue to spout nonsense in defense of your absurd idea that the government can be trusted to heal people, but can't be trusted to kill them.

Told you I would remember that.

Did you know that plastic surgery is not covered by insurance? Or that, as a result of people actually having to pay for it themselves, the cost of plastic surgery have actually trended down over the years? How do you explain that?

I don't bother. We have poor children dying of treatable diseaeses in this country.

That is unacceptable in any moral universe.

I do agree, government can't be trusted much to do anything as long as Republicans are around.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

That's nice, but what do you base that on?

Fact is, the people the government already deal with are the people that big insurance wouldn't touch.

The fact that there are not enough resources for everyone to receive healthcare much less equal healthcare. At the end of the day people will be denied and left to die. It already happens now.

We are spending plenty of money. It's just a lot of it is wasted on 8 figure CEO salaries and unnecessary testing and end of life treatment for people who are going to die anyway.

I suggest you go look up the word resources and never post again.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Sigh.

The "medical resources" used for plastic surgery are specialized, and pretty useless at treating curable diseases. Anyone with an IQ above the freezing point of Helium should know that, but feel free to continue to spout nonsense in defense of your absurd idea that the government can be trusted to heal people, but can't be trusted to kill them.

Told you I would remember that.

Did you know that plastic surgery is not covered by insurance? Or that, as a result of people actually having to pay for it themselves, the cost of plastic surgery have actually trended down over the years? How do you explain that?

I don't bother. We have poor children dying of treatable diseaeses in this country.

That is unacceptable in any moral universe.

I do agree, government can't be trusted much to do anything as long as Republicans are around.

So does every other country on Earth, what's your point? If it is that you cannot mount a coherent defense of your position, you proved that a long time ago. Whatever gave you the idea that the universe cares about morality? Did you suddenly start believing in that sky fairy you are always talking about?

 

[JoeB131]

I suggest you go look up the word resources and never post again.

I suggest you look up OCD and get help.

 

[Peach]

Arizona execution goes terribly wrong

Next time don't commit murder, and this won't happen to you. I hope this serves as a deterrent to anyone planning on taking an innocent life.

But the thing is, it doesn't. They've been executing people for a long time and people still commit heinous crimes.

I have no problem with the death penalty, some criminals don't deserve to continue living, but I don't think torturing anyone, regardless of their crime, is necessary. If the whole idea is just to end their lives, why not just give them an overdose of sleeping pills. It seems to work for people that want to commit suicide.

The largest part of the punishment is the anticipation of death; one orders a last meal, knowing it is their last meal. Stays are granted at the last minute.......but the last stay never arrives, then there is the walk down the "last mile". Tortorous actually, and the state does all possible to prevent unsceduled deaths for those on Death Row, the state decides when.

 

[Politico]

The fact that there are not enough resources for everyone to receive healthcare much less equal healthcare. At the end of the day people will be denied and left to die. It already happens now.

We are spending plenty of money. It's just a lot of it is wasted on 8 figure CEO salaries and unnecessary testing and end of life treatment for people who are going to die anyway.

I suggest you go look up the word resources and never post again.

That.

 

[Andylusion]

That's nice, but what do you base that on?

Fact is, the people the government already deal with are the people that big insurance wouldn't touch.

The fact that there are not enough resources for everyone to receive healthcare much less equal healthcare. At the end of the day people will be denied and left to die. It already happens now.

Horseshit. We are spending plenty of money. It's just a lot of it is wasted on 8 figure CEO salaries and unnecessary testing and end of life treatment for people who are going to die anyway.

First, if you confiscated all the money from the CEO, it still would not make much difference, and when the company fails from a bad CEO, you'll end up with ZERO care.

Unnecessary testing, is because people sue doctors all the time. It doesn't make any difference what health care policy you have, as long as you sue doctors constantly.

As for end of life treatment... it's pretty easy to make that argument when it's not your life, or someone you care about. Under a socialized system, people are denied care because... they are going to die anyway.

This is why a capitalist system is better. If you want to spend $2 Million of your money, to gain you another year of life, that's your choice. It affects no one, but you.

 

[JoeB131]

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First, if you confiscated all the money from the CEO, it still would not make much difference, and when the company fails from a bad CEO, you'll end up with ZERO care.

I don't know, i think you could pay for a lot of health care with the pay that Cigna or United Health Care got, which was close to nine fucking figures.

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Unnecessary testing, is because people sue doctors all the time. It doesn't make any difference what health care policy you have, as long as you sue doctors constantly.

It has a lot more to do with the fact that the testing labs give the doctors kickbacks for referrals.

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As for end of life treatment... it's pretty easy to make that argument when it's not your life, or someone you care about. Under a socialized system, people are denied care because... they are going to die anyway.

More along the lines of the quality of life vs. the short amount of time gained is not worth the expenditure.

Cost and Quality Conundrum of U.S. | Medicare News Group

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This is why a capitalist system is better. If you want to spend $2 Million of your money, to gain you another year of life, that's your choice. It affects no one, but you.

No, not really. Spending 2 million to extend the life of someone who is going to die anyway is a waste. spending 2 million to save the lives of 20 working class folks who can go back and still be productive is a good investment.