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Just saying that if you're worried about electoral fraud because it just takes a few states to swing a little bit, then a national popular vote would cure this.You want mob rule. Aww, we see now.
Right. So either candidate already starts with a safe group of states. All they have to do is turn a few small swing states. If someone wants to steal an election by fraud, that reduces the hurdle because now they don't have to overcome a large popular vote deficit, but just create enough fraudulent votes to win a couple of states.We already use the states popular vote to decide the electoral votes in the individual states, it is a winner take all in 48 states. It works good, but can be better if the votes are tied to a representative percentage, It is what makes this a Republic, your way makes it a democracy, and make it easier for a future dictatorship to emerge, since barriers to power consolidation have been removed.
Right. So either candidate already starts with a safe group of states. All they have to do is turn a few small swing states. If someone wants to steal an election by fraud, that reduces the hurdle because now they don't have to overcome a large popular vote deficit, but just create enough fraudulent votes to win a couple of states.We already use the states popular vote to decide the electoral votes in the individual states, it is a winner take all in 48 states. It works good, but can be better if the votes are tied to a representative percentage, It is what makes this a Republic, your way makes it a democracy, and make it easier for a future dictatorship to emerge, since barriers to power consolidation have been removed.
National popular vote increases the barrier to steal elections.
No. That still runs afoul of the first past the post problem.I gave you a way to make the Electoral votes be given to candidates by their percentage of the vote total, you ignored it completely. Biden would have won by a bigger margin, while getting no increase in powers of office.
National vote proposal was not accepted by the Founding Fathers, which you would have known if you read the Federalist papers.
No. That still runs afoul of the first past the post problem.I gave you a way to make the Electoral votes be given to candidates by their percentage of the vote total, you ignored it completely. Biden would have won by a bigger margin, while getting no increase in powers of office.
National vote proposal was not accepted by the Founding Fathers, which you would have known if you read the Federalist papers.
Yeah, I've read the federalist papers. The federalist papers make it clear they didn't intend you or me to have any say on the president, which is why the electoral college was instituted in the first place. Hamilton specifically says he wanted the electoral college to be men of good judgement who would exclude demagogues and populists exactly like Donald Trump. These guys were supposed to be exercising independent judgement for us poor ignorant SOBs. Keep in mind, they didn't even see the party system coming so they clearly didn't quite foresee some of their unintended consequences.
You want to keep the EC as it is, I suggest going to a rank choice voting with proportional distribution of electoral college votes.
You aren’t going to do shit, champYou guys get the better areas
We will separate or it will be war
You don't know whats about to happen.
Why wait and just do it!
All these threats are just boring me and I prefer to see action and not hear a bunch of hot words or read them either!!
Do what? States should just start ignoring federal law and not recognizing biden as legitimate. No need for civil war. Problem solved.
Yeah, ignore the reality Trump lost because those like you hate reality!
Did you know Dominion Machines were used in twenty-four states?
Did you also know the Governor of Texas expanded early voting in the State of Texas?
So as you scream just ignore Biden the fact is you want America to ignore reality and settle on what the minority of voters wanted which is beyond stupid!
So get your Civil War started so you will be crushed quickly!
Elections would still be locally managed it’s just the tallies would be aggregated.No. That still runs afoul of the first past the post problem.I gave you a way to make the Electoral votes be given to candidates by their percentage of the vote total, you ignored it completely. Biden would have won by a bigger margin, while getting no increase in powers of office.
National vote proposal was not accepted by the Founding Fathers, which you would have known if you read the Federalist papers.
Yeah, I've read the federalist papers. The federalist papers make it clear they didn't intend you or me to have any say on the president, which is why the electoral college was instituted in the first place. Hamilton specifically says he wanted the electoral college to be men of good judgement who would exclude demagogues and populists exactly like Donald Trump. These guys were supposed to be exercising independent judgement for us poor ignorant SOBs. Keep in mind, they didn't even see the party system coming so they clearly didn't quite foresee some of their unintended consequences.
You want to keep the EC as it is, I suggest going to a rank choice voting with proportional distribution of electoral college votes.
I actually think a percentage of the states votes should factor in how many EC votes be distributed to each candidate, this gives third party candidates a better chance to win, since the winner take all to a single person is no longer in effect.
It is a LOT harder to manipulate 50 individual states voting totals than it is to manipulate a single national voting total.
Elections would still be locally managed it’s just the tallies would be aggregated.No. That still runs afoul of the first past the post problem.I gave you a way to make the Electoral votes be given to candidates by their percentage of the vote total, you ignored it completely. Biden would have won by a bigger margin, while getting no increase in powers of office.
National vote proposal was not accepted by the Founding Fathers, which you would have known if you read the Federalist papers.
Yeah, I've read the federalist papers. The federalist papers make it clear they didn't intend you or me to have any say on the president, which is why the electoral college was instituted in the first place. Hamilton specifically says he wanted the electoral college to be men of good judgement who would exclude demagogues and populists exactly like Donald Trump. These guys were supposed to be exercising independent judgement for us poor ignorant SOBs. Keep in mind, they didn't even see the party system coming so they clearly didn't quite foresee some of their unintended consequences.
You want to keep the EC as it is, I suggest going to a rank choice voting with proportional distribution of electoral college votes.
I actually think a percentage of the states votes should factor in how many EC votes be distributed to each candidate, this gives third party candidates a better chance to win, since the winner take all to a single person is no longer in effect.
It is a LOT harder to manipulate 50 individual states voting totals than it is to manipulate a single national voting total.
Right now, elections are decided by a few swing states. That’s all you have to steal.
If the EC was intended to prevent small number of people to be determinant of the outcome of an election, its doing a garbage job.
You’re glossing over things because they don’t happen “most of the time”. Most of the time the EC and national popular vote are the same so by that logic it’s irrelevant.Elections would still be locally managed it’s just the tallies would be aggregated.No. That still runs afoul of the first past the post problem.I gave you a way to make the Electoral votes be given to candidates by their percentage of the vote total, you ignored it completely. Biden would have won by a bigger margin, while getting no increase in powers of office.
National vote proposal was not accepted by the Founding Fathers, which you would have known if you read the Federalist papers.
Yeah, I've read the federalist papers. The federalist papers make it clear they didn't intend you or me to have any say on the president, which is why the electoral college was instituted in the first place. Hamilton specifically says he wanted the electoral college to be men of good judgement who would exclude demagogues and populists exactly like Donald Trump. These guys were supposed to be exercising independent judgement for us poor ignorant SOBs. Keep in mind, they didn't even see the party system coming so they clearly didn't quite foresee some of their unintended consequences.
You want to keep the EC as it is, I suggest going to a rank choice voting with proportional distribution of electoral college votes.
I actually think a percentage of the states votes should factor in how many EC votes be distributed to each candidate, this gives third party candidates a better chance to win, since the winner take all to a single person is no longer in effect.
It is a LOT harder to manipulate 50 individual states voting totals than it is to manipulate a single national voting total.
Right now, elections are decided by a few swing states. That’s all you have to steal.
If the EC was intended to prevent small number of people to be determinant of the outcome of an election, its doing a garbage job.
Swing states change over time, if you even look at the voting patterns over the last 150 years, you will see that most of the time swing states don't exist or matter, because the winner won overwhelmingly, which happens a lot more often than you think. Don't get so caught up on the "swing states" concept so much.
You’re glossing over things because they don’t happen “most of the time”. Most of the time the EC and national popular vote are the same so by that logic it’s irrelevant.Elections would still be locally managed it’s just the tallies would be aggregated.No. That still runs afoul of the first past the post problem.I gave you a way to make the Electoral votes be given to candidates by their percentage of the vote total, you ignored it completely. Biden would have won by a bigger margin, while getting no increase in powers of office.
National vote proposal was not accepted by the Founding Fathers, which you would have known if you read the Federalist papers.
Yeah, I've read the federalist papers. The federalist papers make it clear they didn't intend you or me to have any say on the president, which is why the electoral college was instituted in the first place. Hamilton specifically says he wanted the electoral college to be men of good judgement who would exclude demagogues and populists exactly like Donald Trump. These guys were supposed to be exercising independent judgement for us poor ignorant SOBs. Keep in mind, they didn't even see the party system coming so they clearly didn't quite foresee some of their unintended consequences.
You want to keep the EC as it is, I suggest going to a rank choice voting with proportional distribution of electoral college votes.
I actually think a percentage of the states votes should factor in how many EC votes be distributed to each candidate, this gives third party candidates a better chance to win, since the winner take all to a single person is no longer in effect.
It is a LOT harder to manipulate 50 individual states voting totals than it is to manipulate a single national voting total.
Right now, elections are decided by a few swing states. That’s all you have to steal.
If the EC was intended to prevent small number of people to be determinant of the outcome of an election, its doing a garbage job.
Swing states change over time, if you even look at the voting patterns over the last 150 years, you will see that most of the time swing states don't exist or matter, because the winner won overwhelmingly, which happens a lot more often than you think. Don't get so caught up on the "swing states" concept so much.
Swing states hav been relevant for the last 50 years and aren’t going anywhere. We aren’t going back to elections like 1972 in our lifetimes.
Sure. Swing states don’t matter. Which is why we are now arguing furiously over the result in 4 closely contested elections when Biden won by 7 million votes.You’re glossing over things because they don’t happen “most of the time”. Most of the time the EC and national popular vote are the same so by that logic it’s irrelevant.Elections would still be locally managed it’s just the tallies would be aggregated.No. That still runs afoul of the first past the post problem.I gave you a way to make the Electoral votes be given to candidates by their percentage of the vote total, you ignored it completely. Biden would have won by a bigger margin, while getting no increase in powers of office.
National vote proposal was not accepted by the Founding Fathers, which you would have known if you read the Federalist papers.
Yeah, I've read the federalist papers. The federalist papers make it clear they didn't intend you or me to have any say on the president, which is why the electoral college was instituted in the first place. Hamilton specifically says he wanted the electoral college to be men of good judgement who would exclude demagogues and populists exactly like Donald Trump. These guys were supposed to be exercising independent judgement for us poor ignorant SOBs. Keep in mind, they didn't even see the party system coming so they clearly didn't quite foresee some of their unintended consequences.
You want to keep the EC as it is, I suggest going to a rank choice voting with proportional distribution of electoral college votes.
I actually think a percentage of the states votes should factor in how many EC votes be distributed to each candidate, this gives third party candidates a better chance to win, since the winner take all to a single person is no longer in effect.
It is a LOT harder to manipulate 50 individual states voting totals than it is to manipulate a single national voting total.
Right now, elections are decided by a few swing states. That’s all you have to steal.
If the EC was intended to prevent small number of people to be determinant of the outcome of an election, its doing a garbage job.
Swing states change over time, if you even look at the voting patterns over the last 150 years, you will see that most of the time swing states don't exist or matter, because the winner won overwhelmingly, which happens a lot more often than you think. Don't get so caught up on the "swing states" concept so much.
Swing states hav been relevant for the last 50 years and aren’t going anywhere. We aren’t going back to elections like 1972 in our lifetimes.
It is clear you haven't studied the Presidential voting patterns of the last 150 years.
Ronald Reagan won both times by a landslide, Bush I won big too in 1988, no swing states then either.
You need to understand what Swing States really are, you seem to suggest differently, when actually they are states with two main possibilities.
States where neither party has a clear vote majority, or voters ignore party altogether and chose individual candidates aside from party affiliation.
Here is a LINK to Thought Co.
Excerpt:
Swing Voters and Their Role
States that shift back and forth between candidates of both major political parties in presidential elections could be evenly divided between voters registered Republican and Democratic. Or they could have large numbers of swing voters, those who tend to vote for individual candidates and not the party and have no loyalty to a party.
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Swing states only matters when you have weak or mediocre people running for office.
The list of swing states in the link are fluid and can change every 4 years. Trump Won Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia and Penn in 2016, lost all them in 2020.
You think New York, California, Illinois, Massachusetts should stop voting overwhelmingly for a Democrat candidate as they have for many elections now?
Snicker.....
Sure. Swing states don’t matter. Which is why we are now arguing furiously over the result in 4 closely contested elections when Biden won by 7 million votes.You’re glossing over things because they don’t happen “most of the time”. Most of the time the EC and national popular vote are the same so by that logic it’s irrelevant.Elections would still be locally managed it’s just the tallies would be aggregated.No. That still runs afoul of the first past the post problem.I gave you a way to make the Electoral votes be given to candidates by their percentage of the vote total, you ignored it completely. Biden would have won by a bigger margin, while getting no increase in powers of office.
National vote proposal was not accepted by the Founding Fathers, which you would have known if you read the Federalist papers.
Yeah, I've read the federalist papers. The federalist papers make it clear they didn't intend you or me to have any say on the president, which is why the electoral college was instituted in the first place. Hamilton specifically says he wanted the electoral college to be men of good judgement who would exclude demagogues and populists exactly like Donald Trump. These guys were supposed to be exercising independent judgement for us poor ignorant SOBs. Keep in mind, they didn't even see the party system coming so they clearly didn't quite foresee some of their unintended consequences.
You want to keep the EC as it is, I suggest going to a rank choice voting with proportional distribution of electoral college votes.
I actually think a percentage of the states votes should factor in how many EC votes be distributed to each candidate, this gives third party candidates a better chance to win, since the winner take all to a single person is no longer in effect.
It is a LOT harder to manipulate 50 individual states voting totals than it is to manipulate a single national voting total.
Right now, elections are decided by a few swing states. That’s all you have to steal.
If the EC was intended to prevent small number of people to be determinant of the outcome of an election, its doing a garbage job.
Swing states change over time, if you even look at the voting patterns over the last 150 years, you will see that most of the time swing states don't exist or matter, because the winner won overwhelmingly, which happens a lot more often than you think. Don't get so caught up on the "swing states" concept so much.
Swing states hav been relevant for the last 50 years and aren’t going anywhere. We aren’t going back to elections like 1972 in our lifetimes.
It is clear you haven't studied the Presidential voting patterns of the last 150 years.
Ronald Reagan won both times by a landslide, Bush I won big too in 1988, no swing states then either.
You need to understand what Swing States really are, you seem to suggest differently, when actually they are states with two main possibilities.
States where neither party has a clear vote majority, or voters ignore party altogether and chose individual candidates aside from party affiliation.
Here is a LINK to Thought Co.
Excerpt:
Swing Voters and Their Role
States that shift back and forth between candidates of both major political parties in presidential elections could be evenly divided between voters registered Republican and Democratic. Or they could have large numbers of swing voters, those who tend to vote for individual candidates and not the party and have no loyalty to a party.
======
Swing states only matters when you have weak or mediocre people running for office.
The list of swing states in the link are fluid and can change every 4 years. Trump Won Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia and Penn in 2016, lost all them in 2020.
You think New York, California, Illinois, Massachusetts should stop voting overwhelmingly for a Democrat candidate as they have for many elections now?
Snicker.....
Regardless if it was a swing state 4 or 20 years ago, elections are typically decided by a small percentage of the population in swing states that are almost completely arbitrary. And when swing states aren’t important, it’s because the election is a blowout which in that case there’s no difference in the EC or national popular vote because they’re both easily won by such a candidate.
So either the EC is irrelevant or it serves the opposite purpose that it was intended to serve.
You aren’t going to do shit, champYou guys get the better areas
We will separate or it will be war
You don't know whats about to happen.
Why wait and just do it!
All these threats are just boring me and I prefer to see action and not hear a bunch of hot words or read them either!!
Do what? States should just start ignoring federal law and not recognizing biden as legitimate. No need for civil war. Problem solved.
Arizona GOP Takes Election Case to Supreme Court
The Arizona Republican Party announced on Friday it is appealing its election integrity case, taking it to the U.S. Supreme Court.www.breitbart.com
We have one final shot at the USSC for a fair election
Arizona GOP Takes Election Case to Supreme Court
The Arizona Republican Party announced on Friday it is appealing its election integrity case, taking it to the U.S. Supreme Court.
We have one final shot at the USSC for a fair election
Yes. It is over.
The decision follows the Arizona Supreme Court’s dismissal of the lawsuit Ward brought forth, concluding that plaintiffs “offered no evidence” that the 1,626 duplicated ballot samples were not sufficient or that counting more ballots would result in the exposure of widespread fraud.
According to the Patch, the “court-ordered sampling of 1,626 duplicated ballots found Trump lost seven votes due to errors in ballot processing in Maricopa County.”
It’s over now but you may not like the new AmericaArizona GOP Takes Election Case to Supreme Court
The Arizona Republican Party announced on Friday it is appealing its election integrity case, taking it to the U.S. Supreme Court.
We have one final shot at the USSC for a fair election
Yes. It is over.
It’s over now but you may not like the new AmericaArizona GOP Takes Election Case to Supreme Court
The Arizona Republican Party announced on Friday it is appealing its election integrity case, taking it to the U.S. Supreme Court.
We have one final shot at the USSC for a fair election
Yes. It is over.
