Arkansas becomes 35 state to pass "Stand Your Ground" protections for Americans...

[9thIDdoc]

Stand Your Ground” policy removes a duty to retreat before a would-be victim can use deadly force to defend against the imminent threat of death or great bodily injury.

Translation: I was afraid of the black guy so I shot him

If you had good reason to fear the attacker, yes; perceived race or political affiliation, no. You think black attackers should be immune to a victims' right to self-defence? Dream on.

 

[rightwinger]

Stand Your Ground” policy removes a duty to retreat before a would-be victim can use deadly force to defend against the imminent threat of death or great bodily injury.

Translation: I was afraid of the black guy so I shot him

If you had good reason to fear the attacker, yes; perceived race or political affiliation, no. You think black attackers should be immune to a victims' right to self-defence? Dream on.

Absolutely
You know how those negroes are
Better to shoot first and then claim Stand Your Ground

Then the Conservative Media will dig into his background and give you some reason for having killed him.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Give me a list of what Trump did for black folks.

Trump never made a policy for black folks, nor should he.

The Democrat strategy is to put people into groups. Then they decide what groups they like and what groups they hate, pretty much based on how those groups are known to vote. Then they proceed to make special policies for each group.

Donald Trump held the standard Republican philosophy: A rising tide lifts all boats. So how did blacks benefit from this philosophy? First of all the lowest unemployment rate for blacks since records were kept. A record new black owned businesses. Prison reform where a lot of people got out early were black. He did a fantastic job keeping illegals out of this country which helps blacks because of their larger percentage of lower education who could get those manual labor jobs illegals would otherwise do.

None of Trump's policies were aimed at blacks, they were to benefit all Americans. Blacks being part of America benefited more from Trump's actions and policies than they would under any Democrat leader who treats blacks like the kids on the short bus.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Can't imagine what fool ever agreed they had a duty to retreat in the first place.

None. But the law is the law.

 

[IM2]

So this means I can shoot a white man in Arkansas because he's a klan member and I feared for my life.

If you can PROOVE the you had a REASONABLE fear of imminent harm or death, yes. But from reading many of your posts, you don't have a REASONABLE thought in your head. A jury would lock you up forever for murder if you were foolish enough to make anything near the comments you make here on the stand.

True, because the law is written for and by white men.

If you really feel that way, why not move to Ghana? It's got a fairly high standard of living and very few white people.

No need to, black folks have EARNED the right to be in this country just as well as you have. How about we get rid of the racism, discrimination, etc. instead.

If you want to get of racism and discrimination, you would have to outlaw the democrat party..........

You mean the Republican party today, look at where all the racism comes from today.

You mean the Republican party today, look at where all the racism comes from today.

Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, among hundreds of other black racists, are Republicans?

So basically any black man who speaks AGAINST ra ism is now deemed a racist. Smfh.

Yep, thats how they try to play it. Meanwhile you read all kinds of racisr crap from these republicans and they try telling us how they don't see color.

 

[IM2]

Give me a list of what Trump did for black folks.

Trump never made a policy for black folks, nor should he.

The Democrat strategy is to put people into groups. Then they decide what groups they like and what groups they hate, pretty much based on how those groups are known to vote. Then they proceed to make special policies for each group.

Donald Trump held the standard Republican philosophy: A rising tide lifts all boats. So how did blacks benefit from this philosophy? First of all the lowest unemployment rate for blacks since records were kept. A record new black owned businesses. Prison reform where a lot of people got out early were black. He did a fantastic job keeping illegals out of this country which helps blacks because of their larger percentage of lower education who could get those manual labor jobs illegals would otherwise do.

None of Trump's policies were aimed at blacks, they were to benefit all Americans. Blacks being part of America benefited more from Trump's actions and policies than they would under any Democrat leader who treats blacks like the kids on the short bus.

Lol! This shit is getting ridiculous. America puts people in groups and the worst offender is the republican party. Trump's policies cost 500,000 lives and counting. It was a failed presidency.

 

[IM2]

So this means I can shoot a white man in Arkansas because he's a klan member and I feared for my life.

If you can PROOVE the you had a REASONABLE fear of imminent harm or death, yes. But from reading many of your posts, you don't have a REASONABLE thought in your head. A jury would lock you up forever for murder if you were foolish enough to make anything near the comments you make here on the stand.

True, because the law is written for and by white men.

If you really feel that way, why not move to Ghana? It's got a fairly high standard of living and very few white people.

No need to, black folks have EARNED the right to be in this country just as well as you have. How about we get rid of the racism, discrimination, etc. instead.

If you want to get of racism and discrimination, you would have to outlaw the democrat party..........

Wrong. We see in places like this that racism is a prerequisite for membership in the modern republican party.

How do you guys say that with a straight face?

The democrat party is the party of racism...from it's founding by actual slave owners, to the leadership today where they are openly and proudly racist....?

Well you see there is the small mattrer of knowing history and current rrepublican ideology. Furthermore we were republicans until 1965. When we got civil rights, republicans told us to fuck off and nominated Goldwater. You guys keep repeating that same stale lie and blacks steady vote deemocrat. Because we know it's a lie. Read this next part very carefully.

“Times have changed and the worst enemy that the Negro has today is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros and claims to be calling out liberals. Following these white conservatives will continue perpetuating problems that Negros have. The Negro cannot be taken, tricked or deceived by the white conservatives, and must continue to get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in 21st Century America, the history of the white conservative has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal is the one with the problem. Our problems will never be solved by the white man, liberal or conservative.” -- Malcolm X, 2021

 

[IM2]

ALL RISE!

This afternoons lesson:

Blacks Were Republican For 100 Years and what did we get for our membership? Jim Crow

Let’s end the lie right here. The party of Lincoln wanted to free blacks and in return we were to be moved back to Africa or somewhere in South America. So let’s drop the lie about the republican party and face the fact that republicans were just as racist and now today the republicans party is the racist party while democrats have become more diverse.

While the far right and some black and non white stooges try pushing the slavery ended then Martin Luther King showed up and finally ended racism fairy tale, the fact is that republicans lost blacks because of their actions after slavery. During reconstruction initially it looked like blacks and whites would be able to get beyond slavery as a nation and perhaps unite. But it did not happen because of a republican backlash to black progress called the lily-white movement.

“The lily-white movement was an all-white faction of the Republican Party in the Southern United States in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It battled and usually defeated the biracial element called the Black-and-tan faction.

During Reconstruction, following the U.S. Civil War, black leaders in Texas and around the country gained increasing influence in the Republican Party by organizing blacks as an important voting bloc. Conservative whites attempted to eliminate this influence and recover white voters who had defected to the Democratic Party. The effort was largely successful in eliminating African-American influence in the Republican Party leading to black voters predominantly migrating to the Democratic Party for much of the 20th century.

The term lily-white movement was coined by Texas Republican leader Norris Wright Cuney, who used the term in an 1888 Republican convention to describe efforts by white conservatives to oust blacks from positions of Texas party leadership and incite riots to divide the party.[1] The term came to be used nationally to describe this ongoing movement as it further developed in the early 20th century,[2] including through the administration of Herbert Hoover. Localized movements began immediately after the war but by the beginning of the 20th century the effort had become national.” “This movement is largely credited with driving blacks out of the Republican party during the early 20th century, setting the stage for their eventual support of the Democrats.”

Michael K. Fauntroy ​

The racism inherent in much of the current republican base allows a failure to understand that blacks are able to think critically and make decisions without white input. We know what republicans have done. Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation. Rutherford Hayes, a republican, ended reconstruction. We had the republican lily white movement to purge blacks from the party. Republicans endorsed separate but equal, every republican administration in the early to mid 1900's broke promises made to blacks, most notably during the Great Mississippi flood, which resulted in massive black casualties, displacement and basically returning southern blacks back to slave status.

The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 was the most destructive river flood in the history of the United States. Twenty-seven thousand square miles of the United States was under up to 30 feet of water. Because of this flood, the federal government built the system of levees and floodways we see along the Mississippi River today. More than 200,000 African Americans were displaced from their homes along the Mississippi and had to live for lengthy periods in “relief camps.” Calling them relief camps is overly kind. Blacks got whatever was left. African Americans could not receive supplies without providing the name of a white employer or a voucher from somebody white. Means of evacuation after flooding were given to primarily to whites. Blacks were made to work against their will and were not allowed to leave. In some discussions it has been said that blacks were put in concentration camps. Whether or not that is true, blacks were subject to dangerous and inhumane conditions.

Walter White, then the president of the NAACP visited the Mississippi delta. When he returned to New York he had some very choice words for the conditions he saw that blacks had to endure. “Negroes in hundreds of cases were forced to work at the point of guns on the levees long after it was certain that the levees would break. Conscripted Negro labor did practically all of the hard and dangerous work in fighting the flood. Harrowing as many of these stories are, they are the almost inevitable products of a gigantic catastrophe and are part of the normal picture of the industrial and race situation in certain parts of the South. The greatest and most significant injustice is in the denial to Negroes of the right of free movement and of the privilege of selling their services to the highest bidder. That, if persisted in, would recreate and crystallize a new slavery almost as miserable as the old.” White called the facilities the federal troops used to hold until their employers could claim them concentration camps.

Whites report as well as others caught the attention of Herbert Hoover who was then U.S. Secretary of Commerce. Hoover was responsible for flood relief. In classic racist fashion without white oversight, the report from a black person on the condition they saw other blacks enduring would not be good enough for the whites in charge. So Hoover decided he needed to create a Colored Advisory Committee. This committee was appointed to investigate the NAACP’s complaints. The Colored Advisory Committee was chaired by Tuskegee Institute president Robert Moton, with eleven other people from Tuskegee serving as committee members. Hoover was using black conservatives in hopes that what came from the Booker T Washington side would be less critical and could be used to discredit the drilling the federal government took from the NAACP. Once again, the Washington philosophy failed black Americans in spectacular fashion.

Before we go further, I think it’s important to know who Robert Moton is. Moton is a very consequential figure in black political history. His political story is a cautionary tale for current blacks who call themselves conservative but whose beliefs align with right wing white racial extremists. His life story shows a fact of slavery that some whites purposefully leave out of the tale of how blacks sold each other into slavery.

Moton was born in 1867. His father had been a wealthy African Chief that got rich by selling slaves. That is until he was sold into slavery. Moton graduated from Hampton Institute in 1890. When Booker T. Washington died in 1915, Moton succeeded Washington as President of Tuskegee. During his time at Tuskegee, Moton expanded the curriculum at Tuskegee to include liberal arts. Also during his time Moton allowed the Tuskegee Experiment to be conducted. Moton by all standards was an impressive man, but he had one flaw, his belief in accommodation.

Like Washington, Moton believed that the best way to advance the cause of African Americans was for blacks to prove their worth to whites. He did not fight segregation or challenge white authority. Moton sat on the boards of major philanthropies with the likes of Andrew Carnegie and John D. Rockefeller Jr. It is not overstating that Moton held great influence in the America of that period.

After the NAACP roasted the government, Hoover, who was thinking about a presidential run, was told by advisors to find prominent blacks and get them involved in evaluating the condition reported by White in order address the criticism from the NAACP. Such is why Hoover used Moton to Chair the Colored Advisory Committee. I describe this as using because that’s exactly what Hoover did. The Committee goes to investigate the situation in Mississippi. On December 12, 1927, The Colored Advisory Commission sent Hoover a letter with the findings from their investigation. They reported on the conditions they found on arrival and made 13 recommendations to Hoover.

Moton presented the findings of the commission to Hoover and advocated for immediate assistance to those most in need. Hoover asked Moton to not let information contained in the commission report be leaked to the public. Moton did as requested and kept the findings from the public. In return for doing that, Hoover hinted to Moton that if he get elected president, Moton and his people would be part of the Hoover administration. Hoover also implied that as president he would to divide the land of planters bankrupted from the flood into African American-owned farms.

Because of these promises, Moton made sure the Commission did not leak the full story of what they saw and were told by blacks who were suffering mightily in the Mississippi delta. Moton then pumped up the Hoover's candidacy in the African American community. Once he was elected President in 1928, Hoover caught a case of amnesia and forgot about the promises he made to Moton and the black community. To quote Ice Cube, Moton got, “fucked out of his green by a white boy with no Vaseline.” In 1932 Moton ended being accommodating and when he finished, the damage he did to the republican party has lasted to this very day. Moton withdrew his support for Hoover and switched to the Democratic Party. His move created a historic shift as African Americans began to abandon the Republicans Party, the party of Lincoln, the party of the Emancipation Proclamation, and turned to the Democratic Party.

But a few stragglers stayed faithful to the Republican party still after 70 years of the party ignoring blacks and breaking promises. Until 1964. That was when a democrat that signed what amounted to our second Emancipation Proclamation when President Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act. Members of todays republican party spin a disingenuous tale about republican support for the Civil Rights and voting rights act. They tell about a democratic filibuster and will tell us that more democrats opposed these bills than republicans. These things are true. But they only tell part of the story. According to Merriam-Webster the definition of disingenuous is, “lacking in candor: giving a false appearance of simple frankness.” As it pertains to the Civil Rights Act, 153 democrats and 139 republicans voted in favor of the legislation in the house . In the senate, 46 democrats and 27 republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act. In the house, 221 democrats voted for the Voting Rights Act, 112 republicans did. In the senate, 47 democrats voted for the Voting Rights Act, 30 republicans did.

By 1964 there were blacks whose families had been republicans for almost 100 years. Despite loyal black support, Republicans nominated Barry Goldwater for president. Goldwater voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act. His nomination was a slap in the face of black people. When we got civil rights, republicans decided that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, turned their backs on us and began letting southern white racists become part of the party. The history of the republican party is one of broken promises to black people. All today’s republican establishment does for blacks is throw out Uncle Toms or Aunties and tell us they are the ones we should listen to. Black republicans that do not deny that racism exists are part of the party, but you will not see them on Fox News. We are not republicans because republicans took a knee on us. Now they want us to come back so they can implement policies that will put a chokehold on us. The republican party is anti-affirmative action, anti-civil rights, anti-voting rights, pro maintenance of the memory of the confederacy but we are supposed to run to the republican party because Abraham Lincoln freed slaves from the same confederacy republicans defend today.

Fauntroy, Michael K. (2007), Republicans and the Black vote, Lynne Rienner Publishers .

Henry Louis Gates Jr., Did Lincoln Want to Ship Black People Back to Africa? https://www.theroot.com/did-lincoln-want-to-ship-black people-back-to-africa-1790858389

The Negro and the Flood, Walter White, The Nation, Vol. 124, No. 3233, April 15,1927.

The Mississippi River Great Flood of 1927, Malik Simba, The Mississippi River Great Flood of 1927 •

The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927-Ain’t Got No Place to Go, Laura Coyle, Published Sept. 7, 2016; updated Jan. 11, 2019, The Great Mississippi River Flood of 1927

Robert Moton and the Colored Advisory Commission, Robert Moton and the Colored Advisory Commission | American Experience | PBS

Robert Moton's Second Report, Robert Moton's Second Report | American Experience | PBS

Leah Wright Rigueur, Jackie Robinson: Militant Black Republican, April 13, 2016, Jackie Robinson: Militant Black Republican

HR. 7152, Senate vote on the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Jun 19, 1964 HR. 7152. PASSAGE. -- Senate Vote #409 -- Jun 19, 1964

H.R. 7152. Civil Rights Act of 1964. Adoption of a resolution (h. Res. 789) providing for house approval of the bill as amended by the Senate, Jul 2, 1964 H.R. 7152. CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964. ADOPTION OF A ... -- House Vote #182 -- Jul 2, 1964.

TO PASS S. 1564, THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965, May 26, 1965, TO PASS S. 1564, THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965. -- Senate Vote #78 -- May 26, 1965 .

TO PASS H.R. 6400, THE 1965 VOTING RIGHTS ACT, Jul 9, 1965, TO PASS H.R. 6400, THE 1965 VOTING RIGHTS ACT. -- House Vote #87 -- Jul 9, 1965 .

 

[22lcidw]

Stand Your Ground” policy removes a duty to retreat before a would-be victim can use deadly force to defend against the imminent threat of death or great bodily injury.

Translation: I was afraid of the black guy so I shot him

If you had good reason to fear the attacker, yes; perceived race or political affiliation, no. You think black attackers should be immune to a victims' right to self-defence? Dream on.

Absolutely
You know how those negroes are
Better to shoot first and then claim Stand Your Ground

Then the Conservative Media will dig into his background and give you some reason for having killed him.

The states are just responding to the federal government and its dictums and priorities. The riots we saw in the last several years threw cold water in the face of local politicos. Watching two people defend their home with weapons while there was a mob in the street directing nastiness towards them is a lasting image. People in restaurants and places of business being attacked and more. And many Prog voters in cities even see this and want this.

 

[Markle]

Yep, thats how they try to play it. Meanwhile you read all kinds of racisr crap from these republicans and they try telling us how they don't see color.

 

[Markle]

ALL RISE!

This afternoons lesson:

Blacks Were Republican For 100 Years and what did we get for our membership? Jim Crow

Let’s end the lie right here. The party of Lincoln wanted to free blacks and in return we were to be moved back to Africa or somewhere in South America. So let’s drop the lie about the republican party and face the fact that republicans were just as racist and now today the republicans party is the racist party while democrats have become more diverse.

While the far right and some black and non white stooges try pushing the slavery ended then Martin Luther King showed up and finally ended racism fairy tale, the fact is that republicans lost blacks because of their actions after slavery. During reconstruction initially it looked like blacks and whites would be able to get beyond slavery as a nation and perhaps unite. But it did not happen because of a republican backlash to black progress called the lily-white movement.

“The lily-white movement was an all-white faction of the Republican Party in the Southern United States in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It battled and usually defeated the biracial element called the Black-and-tan faction.

During Reconstruction, following the U.S. Civil War, black leaders in Texas and around the country gained increasing influence in the Republican Party by organizing blacks as an important voting bloc. Conservative whites attempted to eliminate this influence and recover white voters who had defected to the Democratic Party. The effort was largely successful in eliminating African-American influence in the Republican Party leading to black voters predominantly migrating to the Democratic Party for much of the 20th century.

The term lily-white movement was coined by Texas Republican leader Norris Wright Cuney, who used the term in an 1888 Republican convention to describe efforts by white conservatives to oust blacks from positions of Texas party leadership and incite riots to divide the party.[1] The term came to be used nationally to describe this ongoing movement as it further developed in the early 20th century,[2] including through the administration of Herbert Hoover. Localized movements began immediately after the war but by the beginning of the 20th century the effort had become national.” “This movement is largely credited with driving blacks out of the Republican party during the early 20th century, setting the stage for their eventual support of the Democrats.”

Michael K. Fauntroy ​

The racism inherent in much of the current republican base allows a failure to understand that blacks are able to think critically and make decisions without white input. We know what republicans have done. Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation. Rutherford Hayes, a republican, ended reconstruction. We had the republican lily white movement to purge blacks from the party. Republicans endorsed separate but equal, every republican administration in the early to mid 1900's broke promises made to blacks, most notably during the Great Mississippi flood, which resulted in massive black casualties, displacement and basically returning southern blacks back to slave status.

The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 was the most destructive river flood in the history of the United States. Twenty-seven thousand square miles of the United States was under up to 30 feet of water. Because of this flood, the federal government built the system of levees and floodways we see along the Mississippi River today. More than 200,000 African Americans were displaced from their homes along the Mississippi and had to live for lengthy periods in “relief camps.” Calling them relief camps is overly kind. Blacks got whatever was left. African Americans could not receive supplies without providing the name of a white employer or a voucher from somebody white. Means of evacuation after flooding were given to primarily to whites. Blacks were made to work against their will and were not allowed to leave. In some discussions it has been said that blacks were put in concentration camps. Whether or not that is true, blacks were subject to dangerous and inhumane conditions.

Walter White, then the president of the NAACP visited the Mississippi delta. When he returned to New York he had some very choice words for the conditions he saw that blacks had to endure. “Negroes in hundreds of cases were forced to work at the point of guns on the levees long after it was certain that the levees would break. Conscripted Negro labor did practically all of the hard and dangerous work in fighting the flood. Harrowing as many of these stories are, they are the almost inevitable products of a gigantic catastrophe and are part of the normal picture of the industrial and race situation in certain parts of the South. The greatest and most significant injustice is in the denial to Negroes of the right of free movement and of the privilege of selling their services to the highest bidder. That, if persisted in, would recreate and crystallize a new slavery almost as miserable as the old.” White called the facilities the federal troops used to hold until their employers could claim them concentration camps.

Whites report as well as others caught the attention of Herbert Hoover who was then U.S. Secretary of Commerce. Hoover was responsible for flood relief. In classic racist fashion without white oversight, the report from a black person on the condition they saw other blacks enduring would not be good enough for the whites in charge. So Hoover decided he needed to create a Colored Advisory Committee. This committee was appointed to investigate the NAACP’s complaints. The Colored Advisory Committee was chaired by Tuskegee Institute president Robert Moton, with eleven other people from Tuskegee serving as committee members. Hoover was using black conservatives in hopes that what came from the Booker T Washington side would be less critical and could be used to discredit the drilling the federal government took from the NAACP. Once again, the Washington philosophy failed black Americans in spectacular fashion.

Before we go further, I think it’s important to know who Robert Moton is. Moton is a very consequential figure in black political history. His political story is a cautionary tale for current blacks who call themselves conservative but whose beliefs align with right wing white racial extremists. His life story shows a fact of slavery that some whites purposefully leave out of the tale of how blacks sold each other into slavery.

Moton was born in 1867. His father had been a wealthy African Chief that got rich by selling slaves. That is until he was sold into slavery. Moton graduated from Hampton Institute in 1890. When Booker T. Washington died in 1915, Moton succeeded Washington as President of Tuskegee. During his time at Tuskegee, Moton expanded the curriculum at Tuskegee to include liberal arts. Also during his time Moton allowed the Tuskegee Experiment to be conducted. Moton by all standards was an impressive man, but he had one flaw, his belief in accommodation.

Like Washington, Moton believed that the best way to advance the cause of African Americans was for blacks to prove their worth to whites. He did not fight segregation or challenge white authority. Moton sat on the boards of major philanthropies with the likes of Andrew Carnegie and John D. Rockefeller Jr. It is not overstating that Moton held great influence in the America of that period.

After the NAACP roasted the government, Hoover, who was thinking about a presidential run, was told by advisors to find prominent blacks and get them involved in evaluating the condition reported by White in order address the criticism from the NAACP. Such is why Hoover used Moton to Chair the Colored Advisory Committee. I describe this as using because that’s exactly what Hoover did. The Committee goes to investigate the situation in Mississippi. On December 12, 1927, The Colored Advisory Commission sent Hoover a letter with the findings from their investigation. They reported on the conditions they found on arrival and made 13 recommendations to Hoover.

Moton presented the findings of the commission to Hoover and advocated for immediate assistance to those most in need. Hoover asked Moton to not let information contained in the commission report be leaked to the public. Moton did as requested and kept the findings from the public. In return for doing that, Hoover hinted to Moton that if he get elected president, Moton and his people would be part of the Hoover administration. Hoover also implied that as president he would to divide the land of planters bankrupted from the flood into African American-owned farms.

Because of these promises, Moton made sure the Commission did not leak the full story of what they saw and were told by blacks who were suffering mightily in the Mississippi delta. Moton then pumped up the Hoover's candidacy in the African American community. Once he was elected President in 1928, Hoover caught a case of amnesia and forgot about the promises he made to Moton and the black community. To quote Ice Cube, Moton got, “fucked out of his green by a white boy with no Vaseline.” In 1932 Moton ended being accommodating and when he finished, the damage he did to the republican party has lasted to this very day. Moton withdrew his support for Hoover and switched to the Democratic Party. His move created a historic shift as African Americans began to abandon the Republicans Party, the party of Lincoln, the party of the Emancipation Proclamation, and turned to the Democratic Party.

But a few stragglers stayed faithful to the Republican party still after 70 years of the party ignoring blacks and breaking promises. Until 1964. That was when a democrat that signed what amounted to our second Emancipation Proclamation when President Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act. Members of todays republican party spin a disingenuous tale about republican support for the Civil Rights and voting rights act. They tell about a democratic filibuster and will tell us that more democrats opposed these bills than republicans. These things are true. But they only tell part of the story. According to Merriam-Webster the definition of disingenuous is, “lacking in candor: giving a false appearance of simple frankness.” As it pertains to the Civil Rights Act, 153 democrats and 139 republicans voted in favor of the legislation in the house . In the senate, 46 democrats and 27 republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act. In the house, 221 democrats voted for the Voting Rights Act, 112 republicans did. In the senate, 47 democrats voted for the Voting Rights Act, 30 republicans did.

By 1964 there were blacks whose families had been republicans for almost 100 years. Despite loyal black support, Republicans nominated Barry Goldwater for president. Goldwater voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act. His nomination was a slap in the face of black people. When we got civil rights, republicans decided that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, turned their backs on us and began letting southern white racists become part of the party. The history of the republican party is one of broken promises to black people. All today’s republican establishment does for blacks is throw out Uncle Toms or Aunties and tell us they are the ones we should listen to. Black republicans that do not deny that racism exists are part of the party, but you will not see them on Fox News. We are not republicans because republicans took a knee on us. Now they want us to come back so they can implement policies that will put a chokehold on us. The republican party is anti-affirmative action, anti-civil rights, anti-voting rights, pro maintenance of the memory of the confederacy but we are supposed to run to the republican party because Abraham Lincoln freed slaves from the same confederacy republicans defend today.

Fauntroy, Michael K. (2007), Republicans and the Black vote, Lynne Rienner Publishers .

Henry Louis Gates Jr., Did Lincoln Want to Ship Black People Back to Africa? https://www.theroot.com/did-lincoln-want-to-ship-black people-back-to-africa-1790858389

The Negro and the Flood, Walter White, The Nation, Vol. 124, No. 3233, April 15,1927.

The Mississippi River Great Flood of 1927, Malik Simba, The Mississippi River Great Flood of 1927 •

The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927-Ain’t Got No Place to Go, Laura Coyle, Published Sept. 7, 2016; updated Jan. 11, 2019, The Great Mississippi River Flood of 1927

Robert Moton and the Colored Advisory Commission, Robert Moton and the Colored Advisory Commission | American Experience | PBS

Robert Moton's Second Report, Robert Moton's Second Report | American Experience | PBS

Leah Wright Rigueur, Jackie Robinson: Militant Black Republican, April 13, 2016, Jackie Robinson: Militant Black Republican

HR. 7152, Senate vote on the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Jun 19, 1964 HR. 7152. PASSAGE. -- Senate Vote #409 -- Jun 19, 1964

H.R. 7152. Civil Rights Act of 1964. Adoption of a resolution (h. Res. 789) providing for house approval of the bill as amended by the Senate, Jul 2, 1964 H.R. 7152. CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964. ADOPTION OF A ... -- House Vote #182 -- Jul 2, 1964.

TO PASS S. 1564, THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965, May 26, 1965, TO PASS S. 1564, THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965. -- Senate Vote #78 -- May 26, 1965 .

TO PASS H.R. 6400, THE 1965 VOTING RIGHTS ACT, Jul 9, 1965, TO PASS H.R. 6400, THE 1965 VOTING RIGHTS ACT. -- House Vote #87 -- Jul 9, 1965 .

Quite a diatribe...meaning nothing. It is good that you let all that pent-up anger out.

Specifically, what President was in office when the unemployment rate dropped lower than at any time in modern history? President Trump, who does not see color. Who narrowed the wage gap more than any other President in modern history? President Trump. Who lowered gas prices from $4.00 a gallon to $2.00 a gallon and who does that help most?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

ol! This shit is getting ridiculous. America puts people in groups and the worst offender is the republican party. Trump's policies cost 500,000 lives and counting. It was a failed presidency.

So that liberal rag of blaming a President for a microorganism? Tell me, was DumBama responsible for the over 200,000 Americans that died from the common flu during his two terms? If not, why not?
Don't try to turn the argument around on me by saying Republicans do what the communists do and have always done. Republicans don't put people into groups. When Republicans look at Americans, all they see are Americans.

As long as you allow them to create mythical enemies, they will always be part of our country: Big phrama, big tobacco, big business, homophobes, wealthy Americans, armed Americans, racists, deplorables, war on women, all groups the communists have created to keep America as divided as possible.

If Democrats didn't do these things, and everybody became one, then WTF would need Democrats around in the first place? Democrats need to create enemies because by creating enemies, the people need somebody to fight their mythical enemies for them.

You blacks are told you are constantly discriminated against, the only race of people to get shot and killed by evil police officers, you can't do anything on your own, you don't even possess the intelligence to obtain a Voter-ID! And you buy it hook, line and sinker.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Not every state has Castle Doctrine, but SYG covers some gaps in both that and standard self-defense laws. In areas without SYG, you're supposed to flee most dangers you encounter outside of your home or when you're not in close quarters with the source of the threat. SYG makes it easier for people to use a gun in self-defense in situations that might be a greyer area under standard laws. It still doesn't guarantee acquittal, but it shifts the burden of proof slightly.

More often than not, it aids someone in cases where the person shot survives. Killing someone is still going to put the defendant at a higher risk of a conviction, but SYG does make lethal defense slightly easier.

We have very liberal laws when it comes to the licensed shooter in my state. However our SYG law only got passed last month and goes into effect next month.

Until that time, if some road rage idiot is screaming at me, by law, I'm not allowed to engage. I must do what I can to leave the area. If I yell back at the idiot, and it leads to me having to use deadly force to stop an attack, I can still be charged with murder (or manslaughter) because I decided to stand up for what I thought I was right on.

So SYG is the difference between a justified shooting and murder. Nobody should have to back down when being accosted simply because they are carrying a firearm.

Exactly.....what is a mystery to me is how that thing of having to retreat ever got started in the first place....maybe someone with some historial knowledge of legal affairs could be of assistance here.

Well, decided to do a little research regarding the above.......as it turns out 'the duty to retreat' came from the old english common law....should have known.

Anyhow....how it worked back then if you were at home you had no duty to retreat before using lethal force to defend yourself and or your home.

But if you were out and about and you were attacked you had a duty to retreat if possible instead of using lethal force to defend yourself.

The Truth About 'Stand Your Ground' or 'Make My Day' Laws

The self-defense concepts currently being applied in each of the U.S. states evolved from feudal times in England as part of English “common law.” At common law, a person was not required to retreat from his castle (home) when under attack.

mitchvilos.com

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Stand Your Ground” policy removes a duty to retreat before a would-be victim can use deadly force to defend against the imminent threat of death or great bodily injury.

Translation: I was afraid of the black guy so I shot him

If you had good reason to fear the attacker, yes; perceived race or political affiliation, no. You think black attackers should be immune to a victims' right to self-defence? Dream on.

Absolutely
You know how those negroes are
Better to shoot first and then claim Stand Your Ground

Then the Conservative Media will dig into his background and give you some reason for having killed him.

Conservative media??????? bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Give me a list of what Trump did for black folks.

Trump never made a policy for black folks, nor should he.

So why do you Trump Humpers keep talking about what Trump has done for black folks.

The Democrat strategy is to put people into groups. Then they decide what groups they like and what groups they hate, pretty much based on how those groups are known to vote. Then they proceed to make special policies for each group.

Yea because it doesn't really have anything to do with those groups being discriminated against or facing racism. Republicans are the party of diversity, funny how the party is 90% white though.

Donald Trump held the standard Republican philosophy: A rising tide lifts all boats. So how did blacks benefit from this philosophy? First of all the lowest unemployment rate for blacks since records were kept.

A trend that started in 2012 long before Donald Trump took office.

A record new black owned businesses.

False. The Pay Protection Plan (PPP) from the Small Business Administration left Black businesses out in the cold. Over 90% of Black-owned small businesses that applied for PPP funding were denied.

Prison reform where a lot of people got out early were black.

Another trend that started long before Trump came along, he only added to a prison reform plan that Pres. Obama had already started.

Overall, the U.S. imprisonment rate has been on a downward trajectory for the past decade, though the country still has the highest incarceration rate in the world. Counting all races and ethnicities, the U.S. imprisonment rate fell 17% between 2006 and 2018, from 666 prisoners per 100,000 adults to 555 per 100,000.

He did a fantastic job keeping illegals out of this country which helps blacks because of their larger percentage of lower education who could get those manual labor jobs illegals would otherwise do.

Post anything to back that up and not a blog or opinion piece.

None of Trump's policies were aimed at blacks, they were to benefit all Americans. Blacks being part of America benefited more from Trump's actions and policies than they would under any Democrat leader who treats blacks like the kids on the short bus.

As usual you just regurgitate the same lies that have been told over the past 4yrs.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Exactly.....what is a mystery to me is how that thing of having to retreat ever got started in the first place....maybe someone with some historial knowledge of legal affairs could be of assistance here.

I understand their attempted goal, but it doesn't settle in reality. They didn't want people getting into altercations that lead to a physical conflict, and then a licensed shooter killing a guy even though he had every opportunity to back off so it didn't end up that way. The problem with that is it's a technicality that makes the difference between a justified shooting and murder.

You and a new girlfriend are going to the movies. It's mobbed, but you find the last parking spot and quickly pull in. Another guy who was coming down the other way claimed he seen it first, and the spot is rightfully his. He's so mad that he calls your girlfriend a slut. Does the law expect you to not respond, give him your parking spot, and forget about taking your girlfriend to the movie?

They took out human nature by legislating the duty to withdraw. SYG protects that natural reaction IF you are rightfully where you are allowed to be.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So why do you Trump Humpers keep talking about what Trump has done for black folks.

I never said anything of the kind. What I did say is that blacks greatly benefited by Trump's policies for Americans.

Yea because it doesn't really have anything to do with those groups being discriminated against or facing racism. Republicans are the party of diversity, funny how the party is 90% white though.

Republicans don't select their constituents, constituents select their party. If minorities don't want to join, we can't go out with a net, drag them to the Republican headquarters, and make them join. As for discrimination, we've had laws on the books for that for the past several generations.

A trend that started in 2012 long before Donald Trump took office.

But it wasn't until Trump became President where it actually happened. It's not just a trend. Trump created policies so that businesses could create more jobs. In fact, we had over a million more jobs than Americans who could work them before the virus.

Job creation happens easily when you're at the bottom. But once you hit what's considered "perfect employment" jobs stop being created or slow down drastically. Thanks to Trump's policies, they kept on growing.

False. The Pay Protection Plan (PPP) from the Small Business Administration left Black businesses out in the cold. Over 90% of Black-owned small businesses that applied for PPP funding were denied.

And yet their expansion of black businesses still boomed.

African American Small Business Statistics

The survey found that in 2018, 45% of small business owners were minority ethnic groups. This was already a dramatic increase from 2015, when the amount of minority business owners was just 15%. The biggest increase among minority small business owners however has been the huge increase in the number of African American small business owners year over year 400% increase in a year-over-year period between 2017 and 2018.

Following African Americans, Hispanics were the next largest group of minority small business owners representing 14% of the business owners interviewed for the survey. Meanwhile, Asians made up 8% of the business owners surveyed while Native Americans made up 4%.

Wow! African American Small Business Ownership Up 400% in a Year, Survey Reveals

The latest African American small business statistics reveal that entrepreneurial spirit is alive and well but owners face some serious challenges.

smallbiztrends.com

Another trend that started long before Trump came along, he only added to a prison reform plan that Pres. Obama had already started.

Irrelevant. You asked what he did for blacks, and I answered.

Post anything to back that up and not a blog or opinion piece.

No problem:

Trump’s plan to stem border crossings gets results

Border arrests are plummeting after Trump crackdown.

www.politico.com

Border crossings are at record lows as Trump declares a national emergency to build a wall

As President Donald Trump declares a national emergency to build a border wall, crossings at the U.S.-Mexico border are at their lowest levels in nearly 50 years.

www.cnbc.com

As feds focused on detaining kids, border drug prosecutions plummeted

After the crackdown on families began, the number of people charged under federal drug trafficking laws fell to the lowest level since 2001.

www.usatoday.com

Massive drop in border crossings since crisis peaked in May: Internal documents - Washington Examiner

The number of people arrested for illegally crossing into the U.S. from Mexico dropped for a third month in a row in August, down 62% from the May peak of 132,870 apprehensions, according to government documents reviewed by the Washington Examiner. A total of 50,693 people were taken into...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Note the mixed sources all reporting the same thing.

As usual you just regurgitate the same lies that have been told over the past 4yrs.

No, I don't do anything of the sort. I research everything I post no matter what source I originally learned about it from.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

So why do you Trump Humpers keep talking about what Trump has done for black folks.

I never said anything of the kind. What I did say is that blacks greatly benefited by Trump's policies for Americans.

That is because I was talking to you, but you jumped in to speak.

Yea because it doesn't really have anything to do with those groups being discriminated against or facing racism. Republicans are the party of diversity, funny how the party is 90% white though.

Republicans don't select their constituents, constituents select their party. If minorities don't want to join, we can't go out with a net, drag them to the Republican headquarters, and make them join. As for discrimination, we've had laws on the books for that for the past several generations.

There is a reason that black folks don't join the Republican Party. We have had laws on the books for decades it still hasn't wiped out racism and discrimination.

A trend that started in 2012 long before Donald Trump took office.

But it wasn't until Trump became President where it actually happened. It's not just a trend. Trump created policies so that businesses could create more jobs. In fact, we had over a million more jobs than Americans who could work them before the virus.

List those policies.

Job creation happens easily when you're at the bottom. But once you hit what's considered "perfect employment" jobs stop being created or slow down drastically. Thanks to Trump's policies, they kept on growing.

List those policies.

False. The Pay Protection Plan (PPP) from the Small Business Administration left Black businesses out in the cold. Over 90% of Black-owned small businesses that applied for PPP funding were denied.

And yet their expansion of black businesses still boomed.

African American Small Business Statistics

The survey found that in 2018, 45% of small business owners were minority ethnic groups. This was already a dramatic increase from 2015, when the amount of minority business owners was just 15%. The biggest increase among minority small business owners however has been the huge increase in the number of African American small business owners year over year 400% increase in a year-over-year period between 2017 and 2018.

Following African Americans, Hispanics were the next largest group of minority small business owners representing 14% of the business owners interviewed for the survey. Meanwhile, Asians made up 8% of the business owners surveyed while Native Americans made up 4%.

Wow! African American Small Business Ownership Up 400% in a Year, Survey Reveals

The latest African American small business statistics reveal that entrepreneurial spirit is alive and well but owners face some serious challenges.

smallbiztrends.com

More regurgitated right wing lies.

PolitiFact | Black business ownership didn’t increase 400 percent this year

Another trend that started long before Trump came along, he only added to a prison reform plan that Pres. Obama had already started.

Irrelevant. You asked what he did for blacks, and I answered.

So you are trying to give him credit for something he is not responsible for.

Post anything to back that up and not a blog or opinion piece.

No problem:

Trump’s plan to stem border crossings gets results

Border arrests are plummeting after Trump crackdown.

www.politico.com

Border crossings are at record lows as Trump declares a national emergency to build a wall

As President Donald Trump declares a national emergency to build a border wall, crossings at the U.S.-Mexico border are at their lowest levels in nearly 50 years.

www.cnbc.com

As feds focused on detaining kids, border drug prosecutions plummeted

After the crackdown on families began, the number of people charged under federal drug trafficking laws fell to the lowest level since 2001.

www.usatoday.com

Massive drop in border crossings since crisis peaked in May: Internal documents - Washington Examiner

The number of people arrested for illegally crossing into the U.S. from Mexico dropped for a third month in a row in August, down 62% from the May peak of 132,870 apprehensions, according to government documents reviewed by the Washington Examiner. A total of 50,693 people were taken into...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Note the mixed sources all reporting the same thing.

A Review Of Trump Immigration Policy (forbes.com)

I noted the same bullshit being regurgitated.

As usual you just regurgitate the same lies that have been told over the past 4yrs.

No, I don't do anything of the sort. I research everything I post no matter what source I originally learned about it from.

Obviously you are researching in the wrong places when I can show where your research is false.

 

[2aguy]

So this means I can shoot a white man in Arkansas because he's a klan member and I feared for my life.

If you can PROOVE the you had a REASONABLE fear of imminent harm or death, yes. But from reading many of your posts, you don't have a REASONABLE thought in your head. A jury would lock you up forever for murder if you were foolish enough to make anything near the comments you make here on the stand.

True, because the law is written for and by white men.

If you really feel that way, why not move to Ghana? It's got a fairly high standard of living and very few white people.

No need to, black folks have EARNED the right to be in this country just as well as you have. How about we get rid of the racism, discrimination, etc. instead.

If you want to get of racism and discrimination, you would have to outlaw the democrat party..........

You mean the Republican party today, look at where all the racism comes from today.

Are you this stupid in real life, or just when you post....?

The democrat party has a modern terror arm called Black lives matter.....not all lives....just black lives.

Right wing propaganda, you really are that fucking stupid.

Members of the democrat party are violently attacking members of the American Asian community..... the core groups of the party, la raza, the congressional black caucus, the nation of islam...are openly and proudly racist....

That is your history in this country.

And barak obama, is openly and proudly racist......calling open and proud racists....al sharpton, jeremiah wright, louis farakhan, good friends and allies....

How many white NFL players mothers did Pres. Obama call bitches like your hero Trump. How many racist did Pres Obama tell to stand by like your hero Trump did.

[quoye]It is the democrat party that has destroyed the futures of generations of black children through it's education policies......in Chicago, 80% of black students can't pass standardized math and english...........

You are either blind or stupid...most likely both.

You come on here and run your mouth about the Democrats racist past as if Republicans aren't a part of that. The Confederates were nothing but southern democrats and yet you are the one fighting to keep those racist monuments and statues up of those racist democrats. So who is really blind or stupid.
[/QUOTE]


Obama sat in an actual racist church for 20 years...had the racist minister marry him and michelle and baptize their daughters.........he had personal visits in the White House with al sharpton...open and proud racist and anti-semite.....and obama is a good friend of louis farrakhan, racist and anti-semite....

You have nothing....the democrat party has used racism as a weapon since the party was founded by slave owners, and they are using it today to segregate the country by race...you idiot....

I'm not fighting to keep those monuments, but the Black Historical society is....why? Because you don't learn from the past if you destroy it........but the democrat party wants those statues taken down because one day, even a moron like you might realize that those statues are statues of democrat party heroes who fought against the United States to keep black humans as slaves.......that is why the democrats want those statues taken down.

 

[2aguy]

So this means I can shoot a white man in Arkansas because he's a klan member and I feared for my life.

If you can PROOVE the you had a REASONABLE fear of imminent harm or death, yes. But from reading many of your posts, you don't have a REASONABLE thought in your head. A jury would lock you up forever for murder if you were foolish enough to make anything near the comments you make here on the stand.

True, because the law is written for and by white men.

If you really feel that way, why not move to Ghana? It's got a fairly high standard of living and very few white people.

No need to, black folks have EARNED the right to be in this country just as well as you have. How about we get rid of the racism, discrimination, etc. instead.

How about we just accept the fact that racism and discrimination have been a part of humanity for tens of thousands of years.

How about we just deal with what we have, work toward a goal of treating each other fairly and respect each other.

How about we, the problem is we have too many in this country that don't want to work towards that.

Exactly, and they are all in the democrat party.......a party whose power and wealth has always come from racism......