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[Redfish]

does cutting taxes for everyone that pays taxes make them better off? Does creating millions of jobs make them better off?

your tired talking points just prove that you are incapable of actually thinking, you are a braindead sheep.

How did that make our country better?
Creating $1.5 trillion debt to give to billionaires does not make our nation better

What have Republicans ever done for our country that does not involve giving more money to those who do not need it?

OK, lets go slow. taxes were cut for every American that pays taxes, not just the rich. A growing economy creates jobs and increases the 401K accounts of working americans.

Your "evil rich" mantra is bullshit. But since you brought it up, how about the Hollywood rich liberals, what have they done for the country except make themselves richer and corrupt our youth with the garbage that they put out as "entertainment" ?

85 percent of the tax cut went to the wealthy

wrong it went proportionately to all americans that pay taxes, and yes, 5% of 1 million is more than 5% of 10K,

how do you cut taxes for someone that pays no taxes?

85 percent went to the wealthy who had no need for it

well you can make that claim, but wealthy people spend a lot of money, when they spend their money jobs are created for middle class working americans.

You have ranted about everyone paying their fair share, what is fair about one person paying 60% and another paying 5%, or 0%. What is "fair" about a tax system and punishes success and rewards failure? A truly "fair" tax (or tax cut) would be one where everyone with an income paid (or received) the same %.

I think your very wealthy friends in Hollywood are very happy with the tax cuts put in effect this year.

but lets go on, what % do you think a person (regardless of party affiliation) making 10 million a year should pay? Same question for someone making 20K per year? What exactly is wrong with both of them paying the same %? Isn't that fair?

 

[Redfish]

There is a difference between a normal correction, a typical recession, and a market crash or depression. October is typically a bad month for stocks, lets keep watching what happens to the stock market when the US and China finally make a win-win Trade Agreement. The Fed may (hopefully) slow down their bumps next year, which will also help the stocks recover. Corollary: "even a broken clock is right twice a day" regarding Krugman's crash prediction...

It is often parroted that October is a bad month for stocks, but over the last 20 years it has been one of the best 3 months for stocks.

Why do you assume that there will be a new, better trade agreement between the US and China?

If NAFTA is any indication of what is to come, all this “pain” will be for naught.

It is not coincidence that a there was a 600 point turn around in the DJI after it was announced there would be tariffs added to “all remaining Chinese products” just in time for Christmas.


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What incentive does China have to offer a better trade agreement?

more Chinese products sold in the USA. the only incentive that ever exists in international trade.

 

[rightwinger]

How did that make our country better?
Creating $1.5 trillion debt to give to billionaires does not make our nation better

What have Republicans ever done for our country that does not involve giving more money to those who do not need it?

OK, lets go slow. taxes were cut for every American that pays taxes, not just the rich. A growing economy creates jobs and increases the 401K accounts of working americans.

Your "evil rich" mantra is bullshit. But since you brought it up, how about the Hollywood rich liberals, what have they done for the country except make themselves richer and corrupt our youth with the garbage that they put out as "entertainment" ?

85 percent of the tax cut went to the wealthy

wrong it went proportionately to all americans that pay taxes, and yes, 5% of 1 million is more than 5% of 10K,

how do you cut taxes for someone that pays no taxes?

85 percent went to the wealthy who had no need for it

well you can make that claim, but wealthy people spend a lot of money, when they spend their money jobs are created for middle class working americans.

You have ranted about everyone paying their fair share, what is fair about one person paying 60% and another paying 5%, or 0%. What is "fair" about a tax system and punishes success and rewards failure? A truly "fair" tax (or tax cut) would be one where everyone with an income paid (or received) the same %.

I think your very wealthy friends in Hollywood are very happy with the tax cuts put in effect this year.

but lets go on, what % do you think a person (regardless of party affiliation) making 10 million a year should pay? Same question for someone making 20K per year? What exactly is wrong with both of them paying the same %? Isn't that fair?

Unfortunately, they do not spend a lot of money. It is stashed away and untaxable

The working class spends their money......on things like housing, healthcare, education, transportation

 

[Harpy Eagle]

There is a difference between a normal correction, a typical recession, and a market crash or depression. October is typically a bad month for stocks, lets keep watching what happens to the stock market when the US and China finally make a win-win Trade Agreement. The Fed may (hopefully) slow down their bumps next year, which will also help the stocks recover. Corollary: "even a broken clock is right twice a day" regarding Krugman's crash prediction...

It is often parroted that October is a bad month for stocks, but over the last 20 years it has been one of the best 3 months for stocks.

Why do you assume that there will be a new, better trade agreement between the US and China?

If NAFTA is any indication of what is to come, all this “pain” will be for naught.

It is not coincidence that a there was a 600 point turn around in the DJI after it was announced there would be tariffs added to “all remaining Chinese products” just in time for Christmas.


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What incentive does China have to offer a better trade agreement?

more Chinese products sold in the USA. .

The very thing that Trump wants to stop...


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[Harpy Eagle]

I assume that there will be a fairer trade deal because it is in both parties' interest.
There were soooo many issues with China that I didn't even know half of them. Besides stealing intellectual property, blatant spying, currency manipulation, steel & aluminum dumping, their support for NK, their unfair in-country business practices, their military buildup including their expansion into the South China Sea
Photos expose Beijing’s South China Sea fortresses
China had a sweetheart deal with the Post Office to deliver packages for minimal cost. There are probably many more sweetheart deals that China has to the detriment of the US, their space program, their AI program, etc.

Let's hope that the new trade deal happens sooner rather than later...

Same could be said about NAFTA yet all we got were minor tweaks and a new name


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[Rustic]

OK, lets go slow. taxes were cut for every American that pays taxes, not just the rich. A growing economy creates jobs and increases the 401K accounts of working americans.

Your "evil rich" mantra is bullshit. But since you brought it up, how about the Hollywood rich liberals, what have they done for the country except make themselves richer and corrupt our youth with the garbage that they put out as "entertainment" ?

85 percent of the tax cut went to the wealthy

wrong it went proportionately to all americans that pay taxes, and yes, 5% of 1 million is more than 5% of 10K,

how do you cut taxes for someone that pays no taxes?

85 percent went to the wealthy who had no need for it

well you can make that claim, but wealthy people spend a lot of money, when they spend their money jobs are created for middle class working americans.

You have ranted about everyone paying their fair share, what is fair about one person paying 60% and another paying 5%, or 0%. What is "fair" about a tax system and punishes success and rewards failure? A truly "fair" tax (or tax cut) would be one where everyone with an income paid (or received) the same %.

I think your very wealthy friends in Hollywood are very happy with the tax cuts put in effect this year.

but lets go on, what % do you think a person (regardless of party affiliation) making 10 million a year should pay? Same question for someone making 20K per year? What exactly is wrong with both of them paying the same %? Isn't that fair?

Unfortunately, they do not spend a lot of money. It is stashed away and untaxable

The working class spends their money......on things like housing, healthcare, education, transportation

Peoples income and money they save is none of the federal government’s business...

 

[Redfish]

I assume that there will be a fairer trade deal because it is in both parties' interest.
There were soooo many issues with China that I didn't even know half of them. Besides stealing intellectual property, blatant spying, currency manipulation, steel & aluminum dumping, their support for NK, their unfair in-country business practices, their military buildup including their expansion into the South China Sea
Photos expose Beijing’s South China Sea fortresses
China had a sweetheart deal with the Post Office to deliver packages for minimal cost. There are probably many more sweetheart deals that China has to the detriment of the US, their space program, their AI program, etc.

Let's hope that the new trade deal happens sooner rather than later...

China had no better deal with the Post Office than anyone else can get

You have to stop believing Trump lies

in reality you need to stop believing dem/lib/media lies. We finally have a president who puts the interests of OUR country first and he is fixing the mess created by generations of do-nothing ass-kissing presidents, and the last one who hated this country and wanted to bring it to its knees.

 

[Redfish]

I assume that there will be a fairer trade deal because it is in both parties' interest.
There were soooo many issues with China that I didn't even know half of them. Besides stealing intellectual property, blatant spying, currency manipulation, steel & aluminum dumping, their support for NK, their unfair in-country business practices, their military buildup including their expansion into the South China Sea
Photos expose Beijing’s South China Sea fortresses
China had a sweetheart deal with the Post Office to deliver packages for minimal cost. There are probably many more sweetheart deals that China has to the detriment of the US, their space program, their AI program, etc.

Let's hope that the new trade deal happens sooner rather than later...

Same could be said about NAFTA yet all we got were minor tweaks and a new name


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you need to revisit the "minor tweaks", they are not minor, or tweaks.

 

[Redfish]

OK, lets go slow. taxes were cut for every American that pays taxes, not just the rich. A growing economy creates jobs and increases the 401K accounts of working americans.

Your "evil rich" mantra is bullshit. But since you brought it up, how about the Hollywood rich liberals, what have they done for the country except make themselves richer and corrupt our youth with the garbage that they put out as "entertainment" ?

85 percent of the tax cut went to the wealthy

wrong it went proportionately to all americans that pay taxes, and yes, 5% of 1 million is more than 5% of 10K,

how do you cut taxes for someone that pays no taxes?

85 percent went to the wealthy who had no need for it

well you can make that claim, but wealthy people spend a lot of money, when they spend their money jobs are created for middle class working americans.

You have ranted about everyone paying their fair share, what is fair about one person paying 60% and another paying 5%, or 0%. What is "fair" about a tax system and punishes success and rewards failure? A truly "fair" tax (or tax cut) would be one where everyone with an income paid (or received) the same %.

I think your very wealthy friends in Hollywood are very happy with the tax cuts put in effect this year.

but lets go on, what % do you think a person (regardless of party affiliation) making 10 million a year should pay? Same question for someone making 20K per year? What exactly is wrong with both of them paying the same %? Isn't that fair?

Unfortunately, they do not spend a lot of money. It is stashed away and untaxable

The working class spends their money......on things like housing, healthcare, education, transportation

untaxable???? we tax income, money saved has already been taxed. Yes, the working class spends money, that's why they like having more of it though the tax cuts, raises, and bonuses, none of which would have happened without the tax cut bill.

 

[rightwinger]

85 percent of the tax cut went to the wealthy

wrong it went proportionately to all americans that pay taxes, and yes, 5% of 1 million is more than 5% of 10K,

how do you cut taxes for someone that pays no taxes?

85 percent went to the wealthy who had no need for it

well you can make that claim, but wealthy people spend a lot of money, when they spend their money jobs are created for middle class working americans.

You have ranted about everyone paying their fair share, what is fair about one person paying 60% and another paying 5%, or 0%. What is "fair" about a tax system and punishes success and rewards failure? A truly "fair" tax (or tax cut) would be one where everyone with an income paid (or received) the same %.

I think your very wealthy friends in Hollywood are very happy with the tax cuts put in effect this year.

but lets go on, what % do you think a person (regardless of party affiliation) making 10 million a year should pay? Same question for someone making 20K per year? What exactly is wrong with both of them paying the same %? Isn't that fair?

Unfortunately, they do not spend a lot of money. It is stashed away and untaxable

The working class spends their money......on things like housing, healthcare, education, transportation

Peoples income and money they save is none of the federal government’s business...

Of course it is
Read the Constitution

 

[rightwinger]

85 percent of the tax cut went to the wealthy

wrong it went proportionately to all americans that pay taxes, and yes, 5% of 1 million is more than 5% of 10K,

how do you cut taxes for someone that pays no taxes?

85 percent went to the wealthy who had no need for it

well you can make that claim, but wealthy people spend a lot of money, when they spend their money jobs are created for middle class working americans.

You have ranted about everyone paying their fair share, what is fair about one person paying 60% and another paying 5%, or 0%. What is "fair" about a tax system and punishes success and rewards failure? A truly "fair" tax (or tax cut) would be one where everyone with an income paid (or received) the same %.

I think your very wealthy friends in Hollywood are very happy with the tax cuts put in effect this year.

but lets go on, what % do you think a person (regardless of party affiliation) making 10 million a year should pay? Same question for someone making 20K per year? What exactly is wrong with both of them paying the same %? Isn't that fair?

Unfortunately, they do not spend a lot of money. It is stashed away and untaxable

The working class spends their money......on things like housing, healthcare, education, transportation

untaxable???? we tax income, money saved has already been taxed. Yes, the working class spends money, that's why they like having more of it though the tax cuts, raises, and bonuses, none of which would have happened without the tax cut bill.

Now you are getting it

Working Americans have relatively little personal wealth. Their money comes from labor which is fully taxed

The wealthy have untold reserves of personal wealth which is untaxable.

 

[Redfish]

There is a difference between a normal correction, a typical recession, and a market crash or depression. October is typically a bad month for stocks, lets keep watching what happens to the stock market when the US and China finally make a win-win Trade Agreement. The Fed may (hopefully) slow down their bumps next year, which will also help the stocks recover. Corollary: "even a broken clock is right twice a day" regarding Krugman's crash prediction...

It is often parroted that October is a bad month for stocks, but over the last 20 years it has been one of the best 3 months for stocks.

Why do you assume that there will be a new, better trade agreement between the US and China?

If NAFTA is any indication of what is to come, all this “pain” will be for naught.

It is not coincidence that a there was a 600 point turn around in the DJI after it was announced there would be tariffs added to “all remaining Chinese products” just in time for Christmas.


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What incentive does China have to offer a better trade agreement?

more Chinese products sold in the USA. .

The very thing that Trump wants to stop...


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only temporarily, china has already reduced its tariffs on US products, playing hardball on the international stage works. Countries like China, Japan, Korea, and the EU have ripped us off on trade for decades, and our weak presidents have allowed it to happen because they felt guilty about our wealth and success. Those days are over, the EU and China have already revised their trade policies and the bad NAFTA deal has been renegotiated and Mexico and Canada are trading more fairly with us now.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I assume that there will be a fairer trade deal because it is in both parties' interest.
There were soooo many issues with China that I didn't even know half of them. Besides stealing intellectual property, blatant spying, currency manipulation, steel & aluminum dumping, their support for NK, their unfair in-country business practices, their military buildup including their expansion into the South China Sea
Photos expose Beijing’s South China Sea fortresses
China had a sweetheart deal with the Post Office to deliver packages for minimal cost. There are probably many more sweetheart deals that China has to the detriment of the US, their space program, their AI program, etc.

Let's hope that the new trade deal happens sooner rather than later...

Same could be said about NAFTA yet all we got were minor tweaks and a new name


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you need to revisit the "minor tweaks", they are not minor, or tweaks.

True, they are small enough to not even really be called tweaks. Just a new paint job on the same old car


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[Redfish]

wrong it went proportionately to all americans that pay taxes, and yes, 5% of 1 million is more than 5% of 10K,

how do you cut taxes for someone that pays no taxes?

85 percent went to the wealthy who had no need for it

well you can make that claim, but wealthy people spend a lot of money, when they spend their money jobs are created for middle class working americans.

You have ranted about everyone paying their fair share, what is fair about one person paying 60% and another paying 5%, or 0%. What is "fair" about a tax system and punishes success and rewards failure? A truly "fair" tax (or tax cut) would be one where everyone with an income paid (or received) the same %.

I think your very wealthy friends in Hollywood are very happy with the tax cuts put in effect this year.

but lets go on, what % do you think a person (regardless of party affiliation) making 10 million a year should pay? Same question for someone making 20K per year? What exactly is wrong with both of them paying the same %? Isn't that fair?

Unfortunately, they do not spend a lot of money. It is stashed away and untaxable

The working class spends their money......on things like housing, healthcare, education, transportation

untaxable???? we tax income, money saved has already been taxed. Yes, the working class spends money, that's why they like having more of it though the tax cuts, raises, and bonuses, none of which would have happened without the tax cut bill.

Now you are getting it

Working Americans have relatively little personal wealth. Their money comes from labor which is fully taxed

The wealthy have untold reserves of personal wealth which is untaxable.

Nice chart, but so what? we do not tax wealth, we tax income. The tax code that exempts some classes of income was written by the congress that has been controlled by democrats for most of the last 80 years, so if your bitch is with the tax code, bitch at the democrats that wrote most of it. How about posting a chart showing how much of government revenue is paid by the various income groups? Post that if you dare.

 

[Redfish]

I assume that there will be a fairer trade deal because it is in both parties' interest.
There were soooo many issues with China that I didn't even know half of them. Besides stealing intellectual property, blatant spying, currency manipulation, steel & aluminum dumping, their support for NK, their unfair in-country business practices, their military buildup including their expansion into the South China Sea
Photos expose Beijing’s South China Sea fortresses
China had a sweetheart deal with the Post Office to deliver packages for minimal cost. There are probably many more sweetheart deals that China has to the detriment of the US, their space program, their AI program, etc.

Let's hope that the new trade deal happens sooner rather than later...

Same could be said about NAFTA yet all we got were minor tweaks and a new name


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you need to revisit the "minor tweaks", they are not minor, or tweaks.

True, they are small enough to not even really be called tweaks. Just a new paint job on the same old car


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prove that claim, give us a cite, or admit that you are just repeating a dem/lib talking point.

 

[Votto]

The same question could be asked of any Repub, you included?

What have you done for your country?

Served in its armed forces and paid taxes for forty plus years.

Not good enough, now they want to come and redistribute all your wealth and then put you on secret VA death lists to save government money.

 

[Redfish]

wrong it went proportionately to all americans that pay taxes, and yes, 5% of 1 million is more than 5% of 10K,

how do you cut taxes for someone that pays no taxes?

85 percent went to the wealthy who had no need for it

well you can make that claim, but wealthy people spend a lot of money, when they spend their money jobs are created for middle class working americans.

You have ranted about everyone paying their fair share, what is fair about one person paying 60% and another paying 5%, or 0%. What is "fair" about a tax system and punishes success and rewards failure? A truly "fair" tax (or tax cut) would be one where everyone with an income paid (or received) the same %.

I think your very wealthy friends in Hollywood are very happy with the tax cuts put in effect this year.

but lets go on, what % do you think a person (regardless of party affiliation) making 10 million a year should pay? Same question for someone making 20K per year? What exactly is wrong with both of them paying the same %? Isn't that fair?

Unfortunately, they do not spend a lot of money. It is stashed away and untaxable

The working class spends their money......on things like housing, healthcare, education, transportation

Peoples income and money they save is none of the federal government’s business...

Of course it is
Read the Constitution

only in terms of income taxes, what I have in the bank or in my brokerage account is none of their business. We do not tax wealth or savings, we tax income.

 

[Rustic]

wrong it went proportionately to all americans that pay taxes, and yes, 5% of 1 million is more than 5% of 10K,

how do you cut taxes for someone that pays no taxes?

85 percent went to the wealthy who had no need for it

well you can make that claim, but wealthy people spend a lot of money, when they spend their money jobs are created for middle class working americans.

You have ranted about everyone paying their fair share, what is fair about one person paying 60% and another paying 5%, or 0%. What is "fair" about a tax system and punishes success and rewards failure? A truly "fair" tax (or tax cut) would be one where everyone with an income paid (or received) the same %.

I think your very wealthy friends in Hollywood are very happy with the tax cuts put in effect this year.

but lets go on, what % do you think a person (regardless of party affiliation) making 10 million a year should pay? Same question for someone making 20K per year? What exactly is wrong with both of them paying the same %? Isn't that fair?

Unfortunately, they do not spend a lot of money. It is stashed away and untaxable

The working class spends their money......on things like housing, healthcare, education, transportation

Peoples income and money they save is none of the federal government’s business...

Of course it is
Read the Constitution

Na, not really

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I assume that there will be a fairer trade deal because it is in both parties' interest.
There were soooo many issues with China that I didn't even know half of them. Besides stealing intellectual property, blatant spying, currency manipulation, steel & aluminum dumping, their support for NK, their unfair in-country business practices, their military buildup including their expansion into the South China Sea
Photos expose Beijing’s South China Sea fortresses
China had a sweetheart deal with the Post Office to deliver packages for minimal cost. There are probably many more sweetheart deals that China has to the detriment of the US, their space program, their AI program, etc.

Let's hope that the new trade deal happens sooner rather than later...

Same could be said about NAFTA yet all we got were minor tweaks and a new name


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you need to revisit the "minor tweaks", they are not minor, or tweaks.

True, they are small enough to not even really be called tweaks. Just a new paint job on the same old car


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prove that claim, give us a cite, or admit that you are just repeating a dem/lib talking point.

Ok.

Here is a list of the substantial changes to NAFTA:

1.

Yep, that is all of them.

That was easy enough.


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[Redfish]

I assume that there will be a fairer trade deal because it is in both parties' interest.
There were soooo many issues with China that I didn't even know half of them. Besides stealing intellectual property, blatant spying, currency manipulation, steel & aluminum dumping, their support for NK, their unfair in-country business practices, their military buildup including their expansion into the South China Sea
Photos expose Beijing’s South China Sea fortresses
China had a sweetheart deal with the Post Office to deliver packages for minimal cost. There are probably many more sweetheart deals that China has to the detriment of the US, their space program, their AI program, etc.

Let's hope that the new trade deal happens sooner rather than later...

Same could be said about NAFTA yet all we got were minor tweaks and a new name


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you need to revisit the "minor tweaks", they are not minor, or tweaks.

True, they are small enough to not even really be called tweaks. Just a new paint job on the same old car


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prove that claim, give us a cite, or admit that you are just repeating a dem/lib talking point.

Ok.

Here is a list of the substantial changes to NAFTA:

1.

Yep, that is all of them.

That was easy enough.


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so you cant back up your claim, not the least bit surprising coming from you.