Assholes making trouble in Oregon

[Camp]

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And was quite properly hung for his efforts. Same should apply for these assholes.

Now you want them hanged?

If someone get killed out of this insanity, yes.

Same thing was said when they were in Nevada, but no one got hurt and the Feds backed down.

The feds wisely decided bloodshed was not needed to secure a patch of vacant desert grassland. They put ego and emotion aside and decided to show patience. That, as can be seen now, was a mistake. The culprits have graduated from grazing land that they had some level of claim to, to taking over a multi-million dollar property that is currently used by citizens and generates the local economy for the local residents of that county. They have absolutely no viable valid claim to that property. Not only are visitors to this taxpayer owned attraction being denied access to their property, the local schools have closed due the threat of armed militia in the area and the plea from the trespasser thugs for more to come to the area.
This is what they are attempting to steal or have temporarily stolen from the taxpayers:

www.fws.gov/refuge/Malheur/about.html

At least they are not burning down peoples businesses and stealing things.
How about the OWS who shut down business so that the people could not go into the shops and they destroyed the parks that taxpayers had to pay for to be cleaned up.

Do you have a link about the schools being shut down?

I got it from this article and the twitter from a local reporter who said he got it from school officials.
www.wweek.com/2016/01/02/militia-group-takes-over-federal-building-in-eastern-oregon-because-the-lord-was-not-pleased/

 

[ogibillm]

And was quite properly hung for his efforts. Same should apply for these assholes.

Now you want them hanged?

If someone get killed out of this insanity, yes.

Same thing was said when they were in Nevada, but no one got hurt and the Feds backed down.

This is Oregon, not Nevada. If the Feds were to back down, the locals will not. And things might get rather messy. These are outsiders, causing big trouble, and threatening people with guns. It was time for them to leave before they got there.

They haven't threatened anybody lol and the people of burns despise the Fed's, with good cause. They support these people and are praying for them. Or is a progressive city dwelling douche who, like most progressives, wants the government to steal land and keep the locals away from it so people like him can come and occasionally camp or ride bikes through. He's a dumbass that has no authority to speak for the people of Harney county. He's just a milquetoast dumbass.

nobody is stealing land. dumbass.

 

[koshergrl]

<snip> A jury of their peers convicted the Hammond's of setting those fires. They would not have done so without very convincing evidence.<snip>

Not quite true. Harney county and therefore the state of Oregon did not file charges, therefore the Feds did and used a terrorist law from 1996, making them just not arsonists, but terrorists.

Or is a proven liar. Oregon and their peers gave them a token sentence. A crazy Obama appointee came in later and appealed the sentence and added to it. The appointee quit for mental health reasons after stalking, and taking a hit out on, another attorney.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

White guys dumped tea into the Boston Harbor too

 

[CrusaderFrank]

 

[koshergrl]

I wonder what would happen if the BLM supporters had been as well armed as Bundy's supporters when they protested? Think a race war would have broken out?

The difference of course is that the militia aren't attacking anybody. And the Harney county group are protesting specific tyrannical actions...not just 'bad police arrests us when we loot!'

Really? Is that why they have totally changed their demands? The Hammond's and all of Harney County want nothing to do with the assholes. They have threatened the local Sheriff, and committed sedition. They are unwanted outsiders, and need to face full charged for their criminal actions.

they haven't threatened anyone, and the hammonds have not asked them to leave, liar.

 

[Camp]

And was quite properly hung for his efforts. Same should apply for these assholes.

Now you want them hanged?

If someone get killed out of this insanity, yes.

Same thing was said when they were in Nevada, but no one got hurt and the Feds backed down.

This is Oregon, not Nevada. If the Feds were to back down, the locals will not. And things might get rather messy. These are outsiders, causing big trouble, and threatening people with guns. It was time for them to leave before they got there.

They haven't threatened anybody lol and the people of burns despise the Fed's, with good cause. They support these people and are praying for them. Or is a progressive city dwelling douche who, like most progressives, wants the government to steal land and keep the locals away from it so people like him can come and occasionally camp or ride bikes through. He's a dumbass that has no authority to speak for the people of Harney county. He's just a milquetoast dumbass.

Bullshit. They have posted signs and made it clear they don't one the militia thugs in their town. The wildlife refuge is a major source of tourist income for the local businesses and that source is being halted as long as the refuge is closed.

 

[teddyearp]

Or is a proven liar. Oregon and their peers gave them a token sentence. A crazy Obama appointee came in later and appealed the sentence and added to it. The appointee quit for mental health reasons after stalking, and taking a hit out on, another attorney.

Also not true. Do a few hours at the least of research like I did before posting here last night and you will find the same things I did. Of course you have to muddle through some pretty extreme claims from both sides, but there is some truth to be had there.

They were arrested by Harney county and then released. the prosecutor never filed charges. Years later the feds did, and yes, it was after Obama was in office as a matter of fact . . . . hmmm. . .

 

[IsaacNewton]

This whole thing has to have conservative's heads exploding. They whine day and night how "we showed up unarmed, THIS TIME", and like to threaten people with guns. And at the same time this Bundy racist clan, who actually physically act out this 'philosophy' have to be shunned because cons won't ever really take up arms and won't really defend a 2nd amendment or 'don't tread on me' idea, they just mouth the words.

How emasculating this type situation must be for them. It puts on display the outright lie this whole '2nd amendment, gun rights' crap is.

"We came unarmed, this time". And you'll be unarmed sitting at home on your couch or at your pc the next 20 times as well. Its who you really are.

 

[Camp]

Now you want them hanged?

If someone get killed out of this insanity, yes.

Same thing was said when they were in Nevada, but no one got hurt and the Feds backed down.

This is Oregon, not Nevada. If the Feds were to back down, the locals will not. And things might get rather messy. These are outsiders, causing big trouble, and threatening people with guns. It was time for them to leave before they got there.

They haven't threatened anybody lol and the people of burns despise the Fed's, with good cause. They support these people and are praying for them. Or is a progressive city dwelling douche who, like most progressives, wants the government to steal land and keep the locals away from it so people like him can come and occasionally camp or ride bikes through. He's a dumbass that has no authority to speak for the people of Harney county. He's just a milquetoast dumbass.

nobody is stealing land. dumbass.

I have given a link that has a section that explains how this property was obtained, including the outright cash payment for ranch lands with taxpayer funds.
www.fws.gov/refuge/Malheur/about.html
Somebody needs to explain why taxpayer property is being confiscated by men with guns.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Yahoos decide to take over a federal building in the hopes of fomenting governmental overthrow…but forgot to bring snacks and toilet paper?

Their new flag -

 

[ogibillm]

<snip> A jury of their peers convicted the Hammond's of setting those fires. They would not have done so without very convincing evidence.<snip>

Not quite true. Harney county and therefore the state of Oregon did not file charges, therefore the Feds did and used a terrorist law from 1996, making them just not arsonists, but terrorists.

Or is a proven liar. Oregon and their peers gave them a token sentence. A crazy Obama appointee came in later and appealed the sentence and added to it. The appointee quit for mental health reasons after stalking, and taking a hit out on, another attorney.

they were convicted of a crime that carried a MANDATORY MINIMUM sentence.

why do you support judicial activism?

 

[koshergrl]

Or is a proven liar. Oregon and their peers gave them a token sentence. A crazy Obama appointee came in later and appealed the sentence and added to it. The appointee quit for mental health reasons after stalking, and taking a hit out on, another attorney.

Also not true. Do a few hours at the least of research like I did before posting here last night and you will find the same things I did. Of course you have to muddle through some pretty extreme claims from both sides, but there is some truth to be had there.

They were arrested by Harney county and then released. the prosecutor never filed charges. Years later the feds did, and yes, it was after Obama was in office as a matter of fact . . . . hmmm. . .

What the hell are you talking about? I do know the case background...and your synopsis is not accurate. The Case for Civil Disobedience in Oregon, by David French, National Review

 

[saveliberty]

So this is a Constitutional issue?

Apparently these guys set fire to federal lands to help their ranch. Wouldn't you need permission regardless of whose property you start a fire on? I suspect a burn permit might be in order as well. The Constitution does not give the right to use another's property.

On the other hand, being sentenced for a crime, serving that sentence and then being resentenced for a longer term seems unconstitutional. Yet the offenders are not challenging that, so I am not sure what to make of that.

The response of taking over federal land seems unconstitutional, as it restricts citizens rights to visit that land. Enfringement on my rights to exert yours is not Constitutional. This argument carries over to Black Lives Matter occupation of Chicago businesses.

Add in Obama's executive orders on gun control and it is obvious Americans do not understand the Constitution very well.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Oregon Militiamen Asking for Snacks, Socks, Money on Facebook

.... Ammon Bundy initially told The Oregonian that his group was ready to occupy the building "for years, absolutely," ...

"We are not asking for money," a message from Jon Ritzheimer, an organizer of assorted anti-Islam rallies, posted by one Blaine Cooper, reads. But "we will humbly accept money donations," the post continues.

"Things we could use," the post adds, before listing: "Cold weather socks, snacks, energy drinks, equipment for cold weather, snow camo, gear," and "anything you think will help."

So maybe "years" was a bit ambitious.

 

[Dot Com]

Taxpayers have been paying to maintain that land for over a hundred years. The Refuge was enlarged with the purchase of large segments of land. The land was purchased with taxpayer money. Another section of it was obtained through a treaty with a native American tribe. The historical buildings are over 80 years old and were built by workers during the depression in the 1930's. Someone should please explain why these RETARDS have a right to confiscate our property. Why should they not be charged with the crimes they have committed?

Fixed it for you.

Yeah just a bunch of low-info, insurrectionists. The Hammonds didn't ant them there and the town either. They're Nevada tinhorn soldier wannabes

 

[koshergrl]

Armed white guys take over federal building demanding free stuff! Blames "The Man" for their lot in life.

Whats the "free stuff" they're demanding?

They don't want to buy hay, so they graze their herds illegally on land that belongs to the American taxpayer. They want to be the landed aristocracy that real patriots fought a revolution to abolish.

Er no, this is not about grazing rights.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Armed white guys take over federal building demanding free stuff! Blames "The Man" for their lot in life.

Whats the "free stuff" they're demanding?

They don't want to buy hay, so they graze their herds illegally on land that belongs to the American taxpayer. They want to be the landed aristocracy that real patriots fought a revolution to abolish.

Er no, this is not about grazing rights.

Since you say you're an authority on every aspect of their criminal behavior, what do they want?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I wonder what would happen if the BLM supporters had been as well armed as Bundy's supporters when they protested? Think a race war would have broken out?

That's different. Blacks don't have the right to protest - just shoot them in the back.

Problem solved.

 

[Dot Com]

And was quite properly hung for his efforts. Same should apply for these assholes.

Now you want them hanged?

If someone get killed out of this insanity, yes.

Same thing was said when they were in Nevada, but no one got hurt and the Feds backed down.

This is Oregon, not Nevada. If the Feds were to back down, the locals will not. And things might get rather messy. These are outsiders, causing big trouble, and threatening people with guns. It was time for them to leave before they got there.

They haven't threatened anybody lol and the people of burns despise the Fed's, with good cause. They support these people and are praying for them. Or is a progressive city dwelling douche who, like most progressives, wants the government to steal land and keep the locals away from it so people like him can come and occasionally camp or ride bikes through. He's a dumbass that has no authority to speak for the people of Harney county. He's just a milquetoast dumbass.

Supply a VALID link stating that the Townspeople support the outsiders coming-in and basically disrupting these peoples lives.