At least 6 dead in random shooting in Kalamazoo County, Michigan, suspect under arrest

[Davros]

On what show are murderers considered cool?

Are you seriously asking that question? Let's start with The Godfather and the Sopranos. Then let's move on to Darth Vader and Rylo Ken or whatever he's called.

I agree with that, it's exactly why I never watch mob movies. I hate them because the mob is real and they glorify them.

Mob movies still don't make you into a psychopath though

Cool? Have you watched the Godfather? What was ever cool about those murders depicted? Really?

But maybe you make your own point. Since you seem to think them "cool" that is a self fulfilling statement.

What I think is that these types of people are anti-social and are action on impulse. Something set them off and it was not a video of the Godfather.

I was wondering when someone would come on here and blame the shootings on a video. Where have we heard that before?

I said murderers are considered cool. The extra "er" matters. Do you deny that people imitate what they see?

If you watched someone get brutally beaten does that mean you are going to want to brutally beat someone? If you answer yes, seek help. If you blow away a pixel created image then want to blow away people then I suggest you seek help. Maybe FPS games relieve aggression, could be?

The problem with this shooting, and most others, is that it wasn't a mob hit or anything like a mob hit. Videos didn't cause the man to do what he did. The gun didn't cause him to do what he did. Something triggered this response and I am thinking it is a lifetime of failure, limited opportunity and a society that has been moving to secular relatism for the last 25 years. As much as folks don't want to admit it, a society without religion is a society in decay, the results we see everyday proves it to me.

The evidence exists. People who see lots of violence are more likely to imitate it than people who don't. Deny it all you want.

Ask yourself this ... is it more likely helpful or harmful for people who "need help" as you say to be able to see graphic violence in the media and entertainment industry day after day after day?

 

[hangover]

I am a conservative gun owner who believes in the second amendment, but something needs to give. These random shootings are becoming too common.

The conservative meme of we need good guns with a gun is great in theory, but in reality even in a CC state like MI those good guys are rarely around.

Socialism is mental disease, the more socialist the country gets the more likely these things are...

So your excuse for all these right wing nut jobs killing people, is because they hate Socialism?

Is that the reason this thread is in the political section? These were political shootings?

Where did you read he was a right wing nut job? You didn't, you just spew whatever thought or talking point enters your mind.

No different than Rustic claiming it was a socialist. But we all know the odds are, it was a right winger.

Silly boy, most of these shooting are whacked progressives, a product of socialism...
Lol

All of the gun nuts do the shootings. They're all right wing morons.

 

[dani67]

Terrorism?

if he is moslem. yes.he is terrorist
if he isnt molsem and he is white .no he isnt terrorist

 

[Iceweasel]

And finally, stating that government is the problem has led to part of the GOP breaking off into a zealous, absolutist wing that simplistically calls every and any government program "socialist" or "Marist" or "communist", which has actually helped the Democrats across the board.

That's a lie. You consistently misrepresent the right and try to prend you are above partisanship. NO, conservatives do not call all government programs socialist. And Reagan said long ago "Government isn't the solution for the problem, government IS the problem". Those of us that understood the context understood that the private sector can address many, maybe most things government tries to micromanage. Government is big, bloated and inefficient but there are things only government can do.

That is not new to anyone not in a comma for the last 40 years.

A majority of Americans are "above partisanship". Nothing special about me.

And it may be that, somehow, you're not hearing and reading the screams of "socialism", "Marxism", "communism". I don't know how, but it may be.

Wrong on both counts. About a third vote left, about a third vote right, regardless. 2/3rds are a majority. I'm partisan because I know what the other side stands for and I oppose it.

And still no, the conservatives in the GOP don't call all government programs socialist. You made that up.

 

[2aguy]

The only answer to these killings us to discover why they happen. Why is there so much violence? Do we place so little value on human life? Is there too much violence in our entertainment? Is it parenting? Entitlement? Mental illness? Drugs? A desire for fame even if it is infamy?

Until we discover the reason for these killings, they will continue to happen and taking guns out of the hands of innocent people won't fix anything.

All the above will suffice for reasons people go off and start killing.

However what gun nutters and gun haters alike just cant get a handle on is that these types of shootings and even worse ARE THE FUCKING PRICE TO BE PAID FOR VIRTUALLY UNLIMITED ACCESS TO GUNS.

We have virtually unlimited rights in our COtUS to have guns. Of course there will be mass shootings. And individual shootings. And suicide. And infantcide. And all the other ways people are dying by gun.

Accept the enevitable and move on. And understand that numbers work in your favor.

With 300 million plus Americans the chance that you will be randomly shot is very slim.

On the kids shooting, domestic violence with guns and suicide, the gun owner has a choice to make as to how easy or hard access to their guns will be.

And you are wrong...there are 357 million guns in private hands...

in 2014 there were 8,124 gun murders and since many of those were mutlitple murders with the same gun that means less than 8,124 guns were used to commit murder...

That means 356,991,876 million guns were in private hands and were not used to commit murder..

So you are wrong......guns in the hands of normal people are not used to commit murder and "The Price Paid" is a stupid comment considering the numbers involved.......

Which is bigger....356,991,876 million guns not used to commit murder....or the less than 8,124 that were used, mainly by criminals who were not supposed to have those guns in the first place....who owned and carried them illegally......?

 

[Freewill]

How ironic it is that we go through life trying to make as much money as possible, by doing actually nothing but investing, and decry the social degradation that is causing? The system feeds off society, first by trying to maximize profit by moving jobs off shore and then by trying to sell the goods to the same people just put out of work. It is crazy. Myself, I enjoy the lower cost goods coming in because I don't need to worry about a job. It helps me but I see it is dragging the country down. Just like I have said since WJC, he was the worst president ever because he started the whole process of the sucking sound of jobs.

But you can be a ease as long as your portfolio increases.

I think it began before Clinton. I think what happened in the 80's is the genesis of the economic attitudes that are causing damage today. General statements, meant to start a conversation, were taken as gospel.

Obvious examples would be "greed is good" and "government is not the answer to our problems, government IS the problem". These bumper-sticker phrases were absorbed and turned into absolutist philosophies that remain to this day.
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When I first opened this thread I wondered two things. How long it would be before the shooting was blamed on a video, wasn't long. Second was, when would Reagan get the blame, wasn't long.

You do understand that Gordon Gekko was a fictitious person in a movie? Besides, that actually does agree with what I was saying, and I think it is the slogan of most investment strategists. Which is what the movie was all about.

Stating that government is the problem has lead to what? What? We are moving to bigger government not smaller government. If anything the quote is more applicable today then it was when Reagan said it. In my opinion the best leaders are the ones you hardly know they are there. The best government is the one that hardly interacts with people. We have moved very far from both those ideas.

Look at what I actually wrote.

I'm not blaming Reagan at all. His line was a standard-issue political slogan, a pretty good one. As I said, it was MEANT to stimulate conversation, but it was essentially turned into a specific political philosophy by many conservatives. Two different things entirely.

No, Wall Street was not just a movie about a slogan of investment strategists. It was specifically an indictment of aggressive capitalism by director Oliver Stone. It was anti-Wall Street. Yet so many took that "greed is good" thing and ran with it, not even realizing that they were proving Stone's point for him in real life. Obviously those people didn't understand it was just a movie. No doubt he's grateful for that.

And finally, stating that government is the problem has led to part of the GOP breaking off into a zealous, absolutist wing that simplistically calls every and any government program "socialist" or "Marist" or "communist", which has actually helped the Democrats across the board.
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Sigh, so a movie made to demonize Wallstreet with a quote used to demonize wall street meant that folks would do just the opposite? Really? Could more then likely be Investments advisers that promised the world? Or all the shows on how to flip houses? Maybe it was that type of greed that made the quote?

"Buy gold and silver today or else you won't be able to cash in on the world wide economic crash."

I'm not really sure what this means.

My original point: There are many people who took slogans and made them into philosophy and then a political movement.
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And my point is, people are greedy, the quote didn't do it.

 

[Davros]

Oh and you say "the problem" with thus shooting is that it wasn't a mob hit? So you'd be OK with it happening if it was a mob hit? If not, what the heck do you mean?

In your black and white mind can you understand that events have multifaceted causes, and I'm not simply "blaming a video"?

 

[Wilbur Right]

Yes....and the other 356,999,999 million guns in private hands were not used in this shooting....

356 million guns in this country. And not a fucking one was used to stop this shooting.

So just what good where they?

 

[2aguy]

By God, we just need more guns out there on the street, Yessirreeeeeee Bob.

And the 1.5 million Americans who used guns to save their own lives and the lives of their families from violent criminal attack...according to bill clinton would agree to this point.....1.5 million Americans needed guns to stop a violent criminal attack....

Then throw in the number of attacks in legally created gun free zones.....and you see how dumb your post is.

 

[hangover]

Buy more guns and ammo

Police say the suspect was arrested at about 12:40 a.m. at Ransom and Porter streets in Kalamazoo. According to Michigan State Police, the suspect is a 45-year-old white man from Kalamazoo. Police said weapons were found in his vehicle.

Just another "heavily armed white man shooting"

Yes....and the other 356,999,999 million guns in private hands were not used in this shooting....

If each of those guns were used on an American, the U.S. wouldn't be a country anymore.

 

[2aguy]

Buy more guns and ammo

Police say the suspect was arrested at about 12:40 a.m. at Ransom and Porter streets in Kalamazoo. According to Michigan State Police, the suspect is a 45-year-old white man from Kalamazoo. Police said weapons were found in his vehicle.

Just another "heavily armed white man shooting"

It will soon be forgotten. These shootings have become commonplace.

Actually, no they haven't. The shootings that are commonplace take place in democrat controlled, inner city neighborhoods.....where the majority of the 8,124 gun murders occur......random shootings like this kill fewer than 70 people a year in the worst years.......the majority of gun murders are career violent criminals murdering other criminals.....

 

[2aguy]

Buy more guns and ammo

For what? More guns and ammo on the streets than ever before. Suppossedly tHOUSANDS of DGUs every single day.

But what people hear most about is shootings like this where there was no effecive defense to be used against a surprise attack.

But you claim more guns and ammo is needed. For what?

For the 1.5 million actual gun defenses where violent criminals were stopped and lives were saved. Do surprise attacks happen...yes....and when the victim has no weapon, they completely succeed...and if you studied self defense, if the victim is armed they have a chance of surviving.......again, do some research...stop talking out of your ass....

 

[Rustic]

The only answer to these killings us to discover why they happen. Why is there so much violence? Do we place so little value on human life? Is there too much violence in our entertainment? Is it parenting? Entitlement? Mental illness? Drugs? A desire for fame even if it is infamy?

Until we discover the reason for these killings, they will continue to happen and taking guns out of the hands of innocent people won't fix anything.

All the above will suffice for reasons people go off and start killing.

However what gun nutters and gun haters alike just cant get a handle on is that these types of shootings and even worse ARE THE FUCKING PRICE TO BE PAID FOR VIRTUALLY UNLIMITED ACCESS TO GUNS.

We have virtually unlimited rights in our COtUS to have guns. Of course there will be mass shootings. And individual shootings. And suicide. And infantcide. And all the other ways people are dying by gun.

Accept the inevitable and move on. And understand that numbers work in your favor.

With 300 million plus Americans the chance that you will be randomly shot is very slim.

On the kids shooting, domestic violence with guns and suicide, the gun owner has a choice to make as to how easy or hard access to their guns will be.

You're barking up the wrong tree, socialism makes for a soft unresponsible society. When people start growing out adolescence and finding that life is not easy(obviously it should not be). The "village" will not be your security blanket, nor should it. Socialism has primed these shootings no doubt...
Buddy, thinking up more laws never works...

 

[2aguy]

Yes....and the other 356,999,999 million guns in private hands were not used in this shooting....

356 million guns in this country. And not a fucking one was used to stop this shooting.

So just what good where they?

They were good for the 1.5 million actual crimes they did stop.....

And they also prevent things like the mass murder in Mexico from happening here.......

 

[LoneLaugher]

Here we go again.

Prayers for the victims, and for their families.

We need to find a way to reduce these shootings, that works. Not just one that sounds like it'll work to people who aren't paying much attention.

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Michigan police say 6 dead in random shootings, suspect arrested | Fox News

Michigan police say 6 dead in random shootings, suspect arrested

Published February 21, 2016
FoxNews.com

At least six people were killed and two others were injured in a series of what seem to be random shootings Saturday night, Michigan authorities said.

Kalamazoo County Undersheriff Paul Matyas told Fox 17 Online that a man was detained in downtown Kalamazoo. He said the man didn’t resist when law enforcement officers approached him. The man hasn’t been identified. “The threat to the public is over. We now have our suspect,” Matyas added.

Michigan State Police Lt. Dale Hinz told WMMT-TV the man is a 45-year-old white male and said the shootings at three locations were “incomprehensible.”

Matyas told Fox 17 Online that people were killed at a Cracker Barrel restaurant in Texas Township, while two others were killed at Seelye Kia. All of the shootings were in parking lots. “These are random murders,” he said.

The two injured victims are in critical condition. Hinz said that one of the victims was a 9-year-old girl. She was shot in the Cracker Barrel parking lot. Police believe the shootings are related to an earlier drive-by shooting at Meadows Townhomes, which left one woman injured.

the liberals are high fiving this one. A guy goes around shooting people and nails six with no one shooting back.

Congrats, libs, the body count is growing. Now Obama can cry on TV again to take more guns away from law abiding citizens. Maybe next time you can get the carnage up to eight or even ten.

Kalamazoo being my home town (hence "kaz"), I just wanted to say fuck you all who helped this guy have a safe landscape to shoot my fellow home towners

Now there is some mature, rational adult discussion for you. Well done.

 

[Wilbur Right]

Which is bigger....356,991,876 million guns not used to commit murder

All them fucking guns and not a one to stop this mass killing. So again, what fucking good where they?

And so you dont like having to acknowledge the death and carnage that unrestricted access to guns bring about. Why would that be?

You dont want to own up to what happens with the objects you worship?
Pussy. Own up to it. It wont change any-thing by being honest enough to admit what happens is what happens.
Constitutionally guarranteed.

 

[Wilbur Right]

They were good for the 1.5 million actual crimes they did stop.....

Fuck you and that happy horseshit.

All them crimes stopped and no one ever fires their gun. But let a real shooter on the streets and all of a sudden NO ONE has a gun. Fuck you.

 

[2aguy]

Kalamazoo being my home town (hence "kaz"), I just wanted to say fuck you all who helped this guy have a safe landscape to shoot my fellow home towners

Now that doesnt make sense. Does Kalamozoo have a city ordinace where no one is allowed a gun?

Are there no CCW laws in MI?

Just who do you think you are blaming for this tradgic shooting?

Hate to tell you this, but if someone walks up to you with a gun ready to shoot, I dont care how many guns you have on your person, If the shooter is ready and you are not, you still be dead. Guns or no guns.

Wrong.....you have no idea what you are talking about...you are only dead if you are completely disarmed and cant run fast enough....if you have a weapon you have a chance to not only survive but to completely defeat your attacker...again...do some basic research into self defense with guns....

 

[Rustic]

Socialism is mental disease, the more socialist the country gets the more likely these things are...

So your excuse for all these right wing nut jobs killing people, is because they hate Socialism?

Is that the reason this thread is in the political section? These were political shootings?

Where did you read he was a right wing nut job? You didn't, you just spew whatever thought or talking point enters your mind.

No different than Rustic claiming it was a socialist. But we all know the odds are, it was a right winger.

Silly boy, most of these shooting are whacked progressives, a product of socialism...
Lol

All of the gun nuts do the shootings. They're all right wing morons.

Proof?

 

[2aguy]

Which is bigger....356,991,876 million guns not used to commit murder

All them fucking guns and not a one to stop this mass killing. So again, what fucking good where they?

And so you dont like having to acknowledge the death and carnage that unrestricted access to guns bring about. Why would that be?

You dont want to own up to what happens with the objects you worship?
Pussy. Own up to it. It wont change any-thing by being honest enough to admit what happens is what happens.
Constitutionally guarranteed.

Twit......not everyone carries and you nuts have made so many places gun free zones it is difficult to carry in the very places these guys use as killing fields...the gun free zones you create so they can kill freely.....

again...1,500,000 defensive guns uses according to bill clinton and barak obama....vs. 8,124 gun murders mostly by violent career criminals murdering other career criminals.....

And 356,991,876 guns in private hands that are never used to commit crimes...

I know you are an anti gun whack job.....and numbers are hard for you to understand...but 356,991,876 is bigger than 8,124 by a lot.....

And 1,500,000 defensive gun uses to stop violent crime is bigger than 8,124 gun murders....

Go to someone who understands math and ask them which numbers are bigger...that should help.