At stake, not JUST the oval office.....

[Redfish]

liberal values--------------give us a list of them, please.

or let me

1. abortion on demand
2. huge intrusive federal government
3. high taxes
4. no borders
5. catering to radical muslims
6 catering to illegal aliens
7. no one held responsible for their actions
8. huge national debt
9. weak military
10, denigrating of police
11. attacking successful people for being successful (unless they are in Hollywood or politics)
12. ignoring radical muslims who are vowed to kill us
13. dividing the country on race, sex, religion, age, ethnicity, income, and location
14. free stuff for those who are too lazy to work
15. legal drugs for all
16. lying to achieve political ends

So much propaganda ...so little time

Yes a woman has a choice to abort
We are looking at the right size government as required by the people
Taxes are the lowest they have been in 70 years
Our borders are still there and the illegal population has dropped by one million
...protecting Muslims from rightwing racists is not catering

More of a response to your lies than you deserve

our huge inefficient government has created 20 trillion of national debt and trillions more of unfunded liability------------right size? I think not.

Inefficient?

Which current government is more efficient than ours?

the US government from 1776 until around 1950.

The word current escapes you doesn't it?

Australia, New Zealand, Canada.

 

[rightwinger]

The Democratic propaganda machine is perfectly happy with endorsing Hillary. Not only does she support liberal values, but she had a 70% chance of being elected

liberal values--------------give us a list of them, please.

or let me

1. abortion on demand
2. huge intrusive federal government
3. high taxes
4. no borders
5. catering to radical muslims
6 catering to illegal aliens
7. no one held responsible for their actions
8. huge national debt
9. weak military
10, denigrating of police
11. attacking successful people for being successful (unless they are in Hollywood or politics)
12. ignoring radical muslims who are vowed to kill us
13. dividing the country on race, sex, religion, age, ethnicity, income, and location
14. free stuff for those who are too lazy to work
15. legal drugs for all
16. lying to achieve political ends

So much propaganda ...so little time

Yes a woman has a choice to abort
We are looking at the right size government as required by the people
Taxes are the lowest they have been in 70 years
Our borders are still there and the illegal population has dropped by one million
...protecting Muslims from rightwing racists is not catering

More of a response to your lies than you deserve

Muslim is not a race. Radical muslims want YOU and ME dead. Do you want our government to give them access to kill us?

Our borders are there, but they are not being enforced, so effectively we have no borders.

Problem is, Republicans want to deny law abiding Muslims their constitutional rights

that is a bold faced LIE. You are a bold faced LIAR.

Let's see......blanket ban on immigration based on religion UNCONSTITUTIONAL
Surveillance of places of worship and communities based on religion UNCONSTITUTIONAL

 

[rightwinger]

So much propaganda ...so little time

Yes a woman has a choice to abort
We are looking at the right size government as required by the people
Taxes are the lowest they have been in 70 years
Our borders are still there and the illegal population has dropped by one million
...protecting Muslims from rightwing racists is not catering

More of a response to your lies than you deserve

our huge inefficient government has created 20 trillion of national debt and trillions more of unfunded liability------------right size? I think not.

Inefficient?

Which current government is more efficient than ours?

the US government from 1776 until around 1950.

The word current escapes you doesn't it?

Australia, New Zealand, Canada.

Interesting selection

All three are more socialist than we are and have higher tax rates

 

[Redfish]

liberal values--------------give us a list of them, please.

or let me

1. abortion on demand
2. huge intrusive federal government
3. high taxes
4. no borders
5. catering to radical muslims
6 catering to illegal aliens
7. no one held responsible for their actions
8. huge national debt
9. weak military
10, denigrating of police
11. attacking successful people for being successful (unless they are in Hollywood or politics)
12. ignoring radical muslims who are vowed to kill us
13. dividing the country on race, sex, religion, age, ethnicity, income, and location
14. free stuff for those who are too lazy to work
15. legal drugs for all
16. lying to achieve political ends

So much propaganda ...so little time

Yes a woman has a choice to abort
We are looking at the right size government as required by the people
Taxes are the lowest they have been in 70 years
Our borders are still there and the illegal population has dropped by one million
...protecting Muslims from rightwing racists is not catering

More of a response to your lies than you deserve

Muslim is not a race. Radical muslims want YOU and ME dead. Do you want our government to give them access to kill us?

Our borders are there, but they are not being enforced, so effectively we have no borders.

Problem is, Republicans want to deny law abiding Muslims their constitutional rights

that is a bold faced LIE. You are a bold faced LIAR.

Let's see......blanket ban on immigration based on religion UNCONSTITUTIONAL
Surveillance of places of worship and communities based on religion UNCONSTITUTIONAL

TEMPORARY ban until we can find valid ways to determine who and what they are before letting them in. The victims of San Bernardino would be alive today if that had been in affect.

There is nothing unconstitutional about checking out the locations where known terrorists are located. Mosques, churches, and synagoges are not sanctuaries for criminals or would be criminals.

 

[Redfish]

our huge inefficient government has created 20 trillion of national debt and trillions more of unfunded liability------------right size? I think not.

Inefficient?

Which current government is more efficient than ours?

the US government from 1776 until around 1950.

The word current escapes you doesn't it?

Australia, New Zealand, Canada.

Interesting selection

All three are more socialist than we are and have higher tax rates

they all have lower corporate tax rates, their problems are being caused by socialized medicine. But the question was efficiency, not socialism. Those countries are more efficiently run than ours currently.

 

[kaz]

The Democratic propaganda machine is perfectly happy with endorsing Hillary. Not only does she support liberal values, but she had a 70% chance of being elected

liberal values--------------give us a list of them, please.

or let me

1. abortion on demand
2. huge intrusive federal government
3. high taxes
4. no borders
5. catering to radical muslims
6 catering to illegal aliens
7. no one held responsible for their actions
8. huge national debt
9. weak military
10, denigrating of police
11. attacking successful people for being successful (unless they are in Hollywood or politics)
12. ignoring radical muslims who are vowed to kill us
13. dividing the country on race, sex, religion, age, ethnicity, income, and location
14. free stuff for those who are too lazy to work
15. legal drugs for all
16. lying to achieve political ends

So much propaganda ...so little time

Yes a woman has a choice to abort
We are looking at the right size government as required by the people
Taxes are the lowest they have been in 70 years
Our borders are still there and the illegal population has dropped by one million
...protecting Muslims from rightwing racists is not catering

More of a response to your lies than you deserve

"life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" Do those words apply to living but unborn human beings? its a yes or no question.

It's life, liberty and property. You quoted the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. And the answer is that the unborn don't own their mother's body, she does

Ok, but the word "life" appears in both. Do the unborn own their own bodies? If the mother owns them then why not kill them at 1 year old if they become inconvenient?

My answer clearly addressed that

 

[rightwinger]

So much propaganda ...so little time

Yes a woman has a choice to abort
We are looking at the right size government as required by the people
Taxes are the lowest they have been in 70 years
Our borders are still there and the illegal population has dropped by one million
...protecting Muslims from rightwing racists is not catering

More of a response to your lies than you deserve

Muslim is not a race. Radical muslims want YOU and ME dead. Do you want our government to give them access to kill us?

Our borders are there, but they are not being enforced, so effectively we have no borders.

Problem is, Republicans want to deny law abiding Muslims their constitutional rights

that is a bold faced LIE. You are a bold faced LIAR.

Let's see......blanket ban on immigration based on religion UNCONSTITUTIONAL
Surveillance of places of worship and communities based on religion UNCONSTITUTIONAL

TEMPORARY ban until we can find valid ways to determine who and what they are before letting them in. The victims of San Bernardino would be alive today if that had been in affect.

There is nothing unconstitutional about checking out the locations where known terrorists are located. Mosques, churches, and synagoges are not sanctuaries for criminals or would be criminals.

Given that the conditions under which the ban would be lifted have not been identified, it is a permanent ban and unconstitutional

An immigration ban based on religion is patently unconstitutional as is surveillance

 

[rightwinger]

Inefficient?

Which current government is more efficient than ours?

the US government from 1776 until around 1950.

The word current escapes you doesn't it?

Australia, New Zealand, Canada.

Interesting selection

All three are more socialist than we are and have higher tax rates

they all have lower corporate tax rates, their problems are being caused by socialized medicine. But the question was efficiency, not socialism. Those countries are more efficiently run than ours currently.

They do not pay a lower corporate rate than we do

Are you admitting that socialism is a more efficient form of government?

 

[Redfish]

Muslim is not a race. Radical muslims want YOU and ME dead. Do you want our government to give them access to kill us?

Our borders are there, but they are not being enforced, so effectively we have no borders.

Problem is, Republicans want to deny law abiding Muslims their constitutional rights

that is a bold faced LIE. You are a bold faced LIAR.

Let's see......blanket ban on immigration based on religion UNCONSTITUTIONAL
Surveillance of places of worship and communities based on religion UNCONSTITUTIONAL

TEMPORARY ban until we can find valid ways to determine who and what they are before letting them in. The victims of San Bernardino would be alive today if that had been in affect.

There is nothing unconstitutional about checking out the locations where known terrorists are located. Mosques, churches, and synagoges are not sanctuaries for criminals or would be criminals.

Given that the conditions under which the ban would be lifted have not been identified, it is a permanent ban and unconstitutional

An immigration ban based on religion is patently unconstitutional as is surveillance

Carter banned Iranians, was that illegal? Why was there no outcry from you lefties about that action by a dem president?

Murdering innocent citizens because of religion is also illegal. What is your plan to stop radical islamists from killing americans?

 

[Redfish]

the US government from 1776 until around 1950.

The word current escapes you doesn't it?

Australia, New Zealand, Canada.

Interesting selection

All three are more socialist than we are and have higher tax rates

they all have lower corporate tax rates, their problems are being caused by socialized medicine. But the question was efficiency, not socialism. Those countries are more efficiently run than ours currently.

They do not pay a lower corporate rate than we do

Are you admitting that socialism is a more efficient form of government?

Wrong on both. The USA has the highest corporate tax rate in the entire world.

Those countries are no more socialist than we are, we are talking about efficiency not ideology. The US government has not operated efficiently for decades. We will soon be 20 trillion in debt with no end in sight. This overspending must stop or the entire budget will be required just to service the debt.

 

[rightwinger]

Problem is, Republicans want to deny law abiding Muslims their constitutional rights

that is a bold faced LIE. You are a bold faced LIAR.

Let's see......blanket ban on immigration based on religion UNCONSTITUTIONAL
Surveillance of places of worship and communities based on religion UNCONSTITUTIONAL

TEMPORARY ban until we can find valid ways to determine who and what they are before letting them in. The victims of San Bernardino would be alive today if that had been in affect.

There is nothing unconstitutional about checking out the locations where known terrorists are located. Mosques, churches, and synagoges are not sanctuaries for criminals or would be criminals.

Given that the conditions under which the ban would be lifted have not been identified, it is a permanent ban and unconstitutional

An immigration ban based on religion is patently unconstitutional as is surveillance

Carter banned Iranians, was that illegal? Why was there no outcry from you lefties about that action by a dem president?

Murdering innocent citizens because of religion is also illegal. What is your plan to stop radical islamists from killing americans?

Follow our constitution

 

[Wyatt earp]

Liberals and progressives will be destroyed once and for all after we pack the court with conservative justices and get back to Constitution based law.

Nitwit, you HAVE HAD a conservative majority for many, many years already....How has that worked out.......LOL

Of course so what is your problem?


Oh yea you want to further your pinko communist agenda on the country.


.

 

[rightwinger]

The word current escapes you doesn't it?

Australia, New Zealand, Canada.

Interesting selection

All three are more socialist than we are and have higher tax rates

they all have lower corporate tax rates, their problems are being caused by socialized medicine. But the question was efficiency, not socialism. Those countries are more efficiently run than ours currently.

They do not pay a lower corporate rate than we do

Are you admitting that socialism is a more efficient form of government?

Wrong on both. The USA has the highest corporate tax rate in the entire world.

Those countries are no more socialist than we are, we are talking about efficiency not ideology. The US government has not operated efficiently for decades. We will soon be 20 trillion in debt with no end in sight. This overspending must stop or the entire budget will be required just to service the debt.

Once again you tell the lie
We have the highest statutory corporate rate which is theoretically the most corporations have to pay. But once you look at deductions and exemptions in our code that other nations don't provide, the actual rate that corporations pay goes down to 13% which is among the lowest in capitalist countries

 

[Redfish]

liberal values--------------give us a list of them, please.

or let me

1. abortion on demand
2. huge intrusive federal government
3. high taxes
4. no borders
5. catering to radical muslims
6 catering to illegal aliens
7. no one held responsible for their actions
8. huge national debt
9. weak military
10, denigrating of police
11. attacking successful people for being successful (unless they are in Hollywood or politics)
12. ignoring radical muslims who are vowed to kill us
13. dividing the country on race, sex, religion, age, ethnicity, income, and location
14. free stuff for those who are too lazy to work
15. legal drugs for all
16. lying to achieve political ends

So much propaganda ...so little time

Yes a woman has a choice to abort
We are looking at the right size government as required by the people
Taxes are the lowest they have been in 70 years
Our borders are still there and the illegal population has dropped by one million
...protecting Muslims from rightwing racists is not catering

More of a response to your lies than you deserve

"life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" Do those words apply to living but unborn human beings? its a yes or no question.

It's life, liberty and property. You quoted the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. And the answer is that the unborn don't own their mother's body, she does

Ok, but the word "life" appears in both. Do the unborn own their own bodies? If the mother owns them then why not kill them at 1 year old if they become inconvenient?

My answer clearly addressed that

you said " And the answer is that the unborn don't own their mother's body, she does"

that does not answer whether the unborn human being owns its own body, I guess you are saying it doesn't and that the mother can do whatever she wants with the unborn human being in her womb.

If that's what you believe, fine. But just be open about that fact that you condone the killing of unborn human beings on the whim of the mother.

does that thought process apply to the terminally ill as well? Should we just kill them off to save money, or if they become inconvenient for us?

 

[Redfish]

Australia, New Zealand, Canada.

Interesting selection

All three are more socialist than we are and have higher tax rates

they all have lower corporate tax rates, their problems are being caused by socialized medicine. But the question was efficiency, not socialism. Those countries are more efficiently run than ours currently.

They do not pay a lower corporate rate than we do

Are you admitting that socialism is a more efficient form of government?

Wrong on both. The USA has the highest corporate tax rate in the entire world.

Those countries are no more socialist than we are, we are talking about efficiency not ideology. The US government has not operated efficiently for decades. We will soon be 20 trillion in debt with no end in sight. This overspending must stop or the entire budget will be required just to service the debt.

Once again you tell the lie
We have the highest statutory corporate rate which is theoretically the most corporations have to pay. But once you look at deductions and exemptions in our code that other nations don't provide, the actual rate that corporations pay goes down to 13% which is among the lowest in capitalist countries

Yes, our tax code is full of exemptions and deductions. I thought you opposed "corporate welfare" now you are arguing for it.

Are you OK with GE paying zero US corporate income tax?

you are all over the place on this, arguing both sides. are you drinking on Sunday morning?

 

[nat4900]

Once again you tell the lie
We have the highest statutory corporate rate which is theoretically the most corporations have to pay. But once you look at deductions and exemptions in our code that other nations don't provide, the actual rate that corporations pay goes down to 13% which is among the lowest in capitalist countries

That simple nuance ESCAPES the half-brains of FOX acolytes.....

 

[kaz]

you said " And the answer is that the unborn don't own their mother's body, she does"

that does not answer whether the unborn human being owns its own body.

You asked if she can kill the baby when it's one, my statement you quoted clearly answers that. It also answers the question who owns the baby's body. But that the baby owns it's body goes back to that it doesn't own the mother's body. It clearly answers the question, you just didn't like the answer

I guess you are saying it doesn't and that the mother can do whatever she wants with the unborn human being in her womb.

If that's what you believe, fine. But just be open about that fact that you condone the killing of unborn human beings on the whim of the mother.

I don't accept your premise that what I condone is the basis for what the law should be and frankly that premise is sick

does that thought process apply to the terminally ill as well? Should we just kill them off to save money, or if they become inconvenient for us?

Non sequitur

 

[Redfish]

you said " And the answer is that the unborn don't own their mother's body, she does"

that does not answer whether the unborn human being owns its own body.

You asked if she can kill the baby when it's one, my statement you quoted clearly answers that. It also answers the question who owns the baby's body. But that the baby owns it's body goes back to that it doesn't own the mother's body. It clearly answers the question, you just didn't like the answer

I guess you are saying it doesn't and that the mother can do whatever she wants with the unborn human being in her womb.

If that's what you believe, fine. But just be open about that fact that you condone the killing of unborn human beings on the whim of the mother.

I don't accept your premise that what I condone is the basis for what the law should be and frankly that premise is sick

does that thought process apply to the terminally ill as well? Should we just kill them off to save money, or if they become inconvenient for us?

Non sequitur

you and I agree on most things, on this we disagree. That's fine, move on.

 

[rightwinger]

Interesting selection

All three are more socialist than we are and have higher tax rates

they all have lower corporate tax rates, their problems are being caused by socialized medicine. But the question was efficiency, not socialism. Those countries are more efficiently run than ours currently.

They do not pay a lower corporate rate than we do

Are you admitting that socialism is a more efficient form of government?

Wrong on both. The USA has the highest corporate tax rate in the entire world.

Those countries are no more socialist than we are, we are talking about efficiency not ideology. The US government has not operated efficiently for decades. We will soon be 20 trillion in debt with no end in sight. This overspending must stop or the entire budget will be required just to service the debt.

Once again you tell the lie
We have the highest statutory corporate rate which is theoretically the most corporations have to pay. But once you look at deductions and exemptions in our code that other nations don't provide, the actual rate that corporations pay goes down to 13% which is among the lowest in capitalist countries

Yes, our tax code is full of exemptions and deductions. I thought you opposed "corporate welfare" now you are arguing for it.

Are you OK with GE paying zero US corporate income tax?

you are all over the place on this, arguing both sides. are you drinking on Sunday morning?

I am all for corporations paying the same tax rates that I do

 

[Redfish]

they all have lower corporate tax rates, their problems are being caused by socialized medicine. But the question was efficiency, not socialism. Those countries are more efficiently run than ours currently.

They do not pay a lower corporate rate than we do

Are you admitting that socialism is a more efficient form of government?

Wrong on both. The USA has the highest corporate tax rate in the entire world.

Those countries are no more socialist than we are, we are talking about efficiency not ideology. The US government has not operated efficiently for decades. We will soon be 20 trillion in debt with no end in sight. This overspending must stop or the entire budget will be required just to service the debt.

Once again you tell the lie
We have the highest statutory corporate rate which is theoretically the most corporations have to pay. But once you look at deductions and exemptions in our code that other nations don't provide, the actual rate that corporations pay goes down to 13% which is among the lowest in capitalist countries

Yes, our tax code is full of exemptions and deductions. I thought you opposed "corporate welfare" now you are arguing for it.

Are you OK with GE paying zero US corporate income tax?

you are all over the place on this, arguing both sides. are you drinking on Sunday morning?

I am all for corporations paying the same tax rates that I do

Unless they support democrat candidates, right?

Seriously, how about doing away with all deductions and exemptions and having one rate that applied to everyone, including small businesses and corporations and individuals?

Why should solar companies and ethanol producers not pay the same tax rate that you and I pay?

you gotta be consistent on this if you want to retain credibility.