Atheism; An Intellectual Dead End

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Because you can't prove something, it's eternal? That's not even logical, let alone totally made up.

And I've always said that atheists can't prove that a god is not possible. Are you drinking midweek again?

And I keep telling you that atheists do not claim that a god cannot exist - only that "God does not exist" is the rational position, until such time as evidence proves the position untenable.

So you are expecting to find natural evidence for a supernatural being?

I dispute the existence of a "supernatural" being. Nature is all-encompassing. As such, it is not possible for something to exist outside of everything.

Dispute all you want. I have good reason for my belief. The universe had a beginning. What started it is beyond science. What happened after it can be studied. Matter evolved from subatomic particles into beings that know and create. The universe became self aware. The potential for this existed at the beginning. It occurred as a result of the laws of nature. Those laws of nature came into existence when space and time were created. Intelligence is the pinnacle of the evolution of matter. It is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence. The 1st Cause is required. The attribute of the first cause must be eternal. God is just as good as an answer to the first cause as anything else.

God as in the god of the bible who was so pooped after 6 days that he needed a day off?

Creating is so much fun that sometimes you have to force yourself to take a break from it.

 

[Mudda]

And I keep telling you that atheists do not claim that a god cannot exist - only that "God does not exist" is the rational position, until such time as evidence proves the position untenable.

So you are expecting to find natural evidence for a supernatural being?

I dispute the existence of a "supernatural" being. Nature is all-encompassing. As such, it is not possible for something to exist outside of everything.

Dispute all you want. I have good reason for my belief. The universe had a beginning. What started it is beyond science. What happened after it can be studied. Matter evolved from subatomic particles into beings that know and create. The universe became self aware. The potential for this existed at the beginning. It occurred as a result of the laws of nature. Those laws of nature came into existence when space and time were created. Intelligence is the pinnacle of the evolution of matter. It is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence. The 1st Cause is required. The attribute of the first cause must be eternal. God is just as good as an answer to the first cause as anything else.

God as in the god of the bible who was so pooped after 6 days that he needed a day off?

Creating is so much fun that sometimes you have to force yourself to take a break from it.

Does god have a long white beard too?

 

[Mudda]

You just confirmed that it is possible. By converting massless quantum matter, the universe has an endless supply of matter to convert without ever depleting normal matter. You keep trying to ignore your own confirmation in your desperate attempt to hold onto your poorly constructed premise.

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Is that how you think it works? Do you have a link that states that?

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Is that how you think it works? Do you have a link that states that?

seriously, do you have a link verifying the attributions for any of the figures within the 4th century compilation of your book. can you explain why not or why the history of christianity has been so one sided - why you are so vehemently opposed against people making their own choices that you attempt to write laws and other means to oppress them -

why does your religion lend itself entirely to the politics of hatred as demonstrated throughout history. fearing a free Spirit so much as having a need to kill them ...

Apparently I have more than you do. According to you, you have nothing.

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Apparently I have more than you do. According to you, you have nothing.

you have the deaths of innocent people as the reality of your agenda disguised as a religion.


According to you ...

that is according to bing ... the righteous 4th century inquisitor.

The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever, Isaiah 40.8

Did god talk in English?

 

[BreezeWood]

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God is just as good as an answer to the first cause as anything else.

not your god of the 4th century ...

 

[ding]

"...A detector with the mass of Jupiter and 100% efficiency, placed in close orbit around a neutron star, would only be expected to observe one graviton every 10 years, even under the most favorable conditions.

So how exactly does a graviton affect the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics of the rest of the universe which is subject to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics?

Because it is infinitely reusable. You get that the problem with observing gravitons isn't that so few exist, but that they convert so quickly that observing them is practically impossible, right?

No, wrong. Gravitons are only hypothetical. So 0, until we can prove otherwise.

Everything we are discussing is hypothetical!!!!! So, what's your point? And, for the record, gravitons are theoretical, not hypothetical. There is a difference.

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No. Not everything. Some are observations and measurements. In the case of gravitons they a hypothetical. Besides, like I have already explained to you cyclical models have problems. Specifically, the 2nd Law of thermodynamics. You don't understand this concept which is why you can't discuss it. Do you know how CERN describes the beginning of the universe?

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium

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You don't understand this concept which is why you can't discuss it. Do you know how CERN describes the beginning of the universe?

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium


if someone is looking for something new from your momentous article ... they have a big surprise awaiting them.


not to mention nothing about - You don't understand this concept which is why you can't discuss it.

Maybe you can explain it to him.

 

[ding]

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God is just as good as an answer to the first cause as anything else.

not your god of the 4th century ...

There is only one God. How many do you believe there are?

 

[BreezeWood]

I didn't say that it can't be proven, but rather that it hasn't been proven.

And what started the universe is only beyond science at this point in time.

And why must the attribute of the first cause be eternal? Because you say so?

No, you said it can't be proven and that's why you are agnostic.

Are you changing your mind? How exactly can a supernatural being be proven?

No, because logic says so. The only thing that doesn't need a cause is something that is eternal.

Because you can't prove something, it's eternal? That's not even logical, let alone totally made up.

And I've always said that atheists can't prove that a god is not possible. Are you drinking midweek again?

And I keep telling you that atheists do not claim that a god cannot exist - only that "God does not exist" is the rational position, until such time as evidence proves the position untenable.

So you are expecting to find natural evidence for a supernatural being?

I dispute the existence of a "supernatural" being. Nature is all-encompassing. As such, it is not possible for something to exist outside of everything.

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[ding]

So you are expecting to find natural evidence for a supernatural being?

I dispute the existence of a "supernatural" being. Nature is all-encompassing. As such, it is not possible for something to exist outside of everything.

Dispute all you want. I have good reason for my belief. The universe had a beginning. What started it is beyond science. What happened after it can be studied. Matter evolved from subatomic particles into beings that know and create. The universe became self aware. The potential for this existed at the beginning. It occurred as a result of the laws of nature. Those laws of nature came into existence when space and time were created. Intelligence is the pinnacle of the evolution of matter. It is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence. The 1st Cause is required. The attribute of the first cause must be eternal. God is just as good as an answer to the first cause as anything else.

God as in the god of the bible who was so pooped after 6 days that he needed a day off?

Creating is so much fun that sometimes you have to force yourself to take a break from it.

Does god have a long white beard too?

I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not.

 

[ding]

Is that how you think it works? Do you have a link that states that?

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Is that how you think it works? Do you have a link that states that?

seriously, do you have a link verifying the attributions for any of the figures within the 4th century compilation of your book. can you explain why not or why the history of christianity has been so one sided - why you are so vehemently opposed against people making their own choices that you attempt to write laws and other means to oppress them -

why does your religion lend itself entirely to the politics of hatred as demonstrated throughout history. fearing a free Spirit so much as having a need to kill them ...

Apparently I have more than you do. According to you, you have nothing.

.

Apparently I have more than you do. According to you, you have nothing.

you have the deaths of innocent people as the reality of your agenda disguised as a religion.


According to you ...

that is according to bing ... the righteous 4th century inquisitor.

The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever, Isaiah 40.8

Did god talk in English?

We speak in Italian.

 

[BreezeWood]

I didn't say that it can't be proven, but rather that it hasn't been proven.

And what started the universe is only beyond science at this point in time.

And why must the attribute of the first cause be eternal? Because you say so?

No, you said it can't be proven and that's why you are agnostic.

Are you changing your mind? How exactly can a supernatural being be proven?

No, because logic says so. The only thing that doesn't need a cause is something that is eternal.

Because you can't prove something, it's eternal? That's not even logical, let alone totally made up.

And I've always said that atheists can't prove that a god is not possible. Are you drinking midweek again?

And I keep telling you that atheists do not claim that a god cannot exist - only that "God does not exist" is the rational position, until such time as evidence proves the position untenable.

So you are expecting to find natural evidence for a supernatural being?

I dispute the existence of a "supernatural" being. Nature is all-encompassing. As such, it is not possible for something to exist outside of everything.

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Nature is all-encompassing. As such, it is not possible for something to exist outside of everything.

the genome of life is distinct from the physical nature it derives.

 

[ding]

No, you said it can't be proven and that's why you are agnostic.

Are you changing your mind? How exactly can a supernatural being be proven?

No, because logic says so. The only thing that doesn't need a cause is something that is eternal.

Because you can't prove something, it's eternal? That's not even logical, let alone totally made up.

And I've always said that atheists can't prove that a god is not possible. Are you drinking midweek again?

And I keep telling you that atheists do not claim that a god cannot exist - only that "God does not exist" is the rational position, until such time as evidence proves the position untenable.

So you are expecting to find natural evidence for a supernatural being?

I dispute the existence of a "supernatural" being. Nature is all-encompassing. As such, it is not possible for something to exist outside of everything.

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Nature is all-encompassing. As such, it is not possible for something to exist outside of everything.

the genome of life is distinct from the physical nature it derives.

How so?

 

[Czernobog]

And I keep telling you that atheists do not claim that a god cannot exist - only that "God does not exist" is the rational position, until such time as evidence proves the position untenable.

So you are expecting to find natural evidence for a supernatural being?

I dispute the existence of a "supernatural" being. Nature is all-encompassing. As such, it is not possible for something to exist outside of everything.

Dispute all you want. I have good reason for my belief. The universe had a beginning. What started it is beyond science. What happened after it can be studied. Matter evolved from subatomic particles into beings that know and create. The universe became self aware. The potential for this existed at the beginning. It occurred as a result of the laws of nature. Those laws of nature came into existence when space and time were created. Intelligence is the pinnacle of the evolution of matter. It is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence. The 1st Cause is required. The attribute of the first cause must be eternal. God is just as good as an answer to the first cause as anything else.

Good for you. You have your beliefs. They are entirely unproven proven, but you have your beliefs. Just quit stating your beliefs as if they are facts. They aren't.

Your belief that there is no god isn't proven either. So cut it out as well.

*Sigh* I swear you are like a broken record. God does not exist is not a fact. It is a negative assertion. It is the rational presumption in the absence of objective evidence to the contrary. Nothing more, nothing less. If you, or Ding, or anyone else would like to move me off of this default null position, all they have to do is present objective evidence to the existence of God, at which I time I will say, "Based on the evidence, God exists," Until then, I will continue to maintain my rational null presumption.

 

[Czernobog]

No, you said it can't be proven and that's why you are agnostic.

Are you changing your mind? How exactly can a supernatural being be proven?

No, because logic says so. The only thing that doesn't need a cause is something that is eternal.

Because you can't prove something, it's eternal? That's not even logical, let alone totally made up.

And I've always said that atheists can't prove that a god is not possible. Are you drinking midweek again?

And I keep telling you that atheists do not claim that a god cannot exist - only that "God does not exist" is the rational position, until such time as evidence proves the position untenable.

So you are expecting to find natural evidence for a supernatural being?

I dispute the existence of a "supernatural" being. Nature is all-encompassing. As such, it is not possible for something to exist outside of everything.

.

Nature is all-encompassing. As such, it is not possible for something to exist outside of everything.

the genome of life is distinct from the physical nature it derives.

Ummmm...okay? I have no idea what your point here is, or how it relates to my assertion that you are quoting, but, okay.

 

[BreezeWood]

You just confirmed that it is possible. By converting massless quantum matter, the universe has an endless supply of matter to convert without ever depleting normal matter. You keep trying to ignore your own confirmation in your desperate attempt to hold onto your poorly constructed premise.

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Is that how you think it works? Do you have a link that states that?

.

Is that how you think it works? Do you have a link that states that?

seriously, do you have a link verifying the attributions for any of the figures within the 4th century compilation of your book. can you explain why not or why the history of christianity has been so one sided - why you are so vehemently opposed against people making their own choices that you attempt to write laws and other means to oppress them -

why does your religion lend itself entirely to the politics of hatred as demonstrated throughout history. fearing a free Spirit so much as having a need to kill them ...

Apparently I have more than you do. According to you, you have nothing.

.

Apparently I have more than you do. According to you, you have nothing.

you have the deaths of innocent people as the reality of your agenda disguised as a religion.


According to you ...

that is according to bing ... the righteous 4th century inquisitor.

The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever, Isaiah 40.8

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The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever,

what has that have to do with your religions criminal acts of brutality ... other than coming from you those words are a hollow gesture.

not to mention belittling Flora for the sake of your god.

 

[sealybobo]

You just confirmed that it is possible. By converting massless quantum matter, the universe has an endless supply of matter to convert without ever depleting normal matter. You keep trying to ignore your own confirmation in your desperate attempt to hold onto your poorly constructed premise.

Sent from my 5054N using Tapatalk

Is that how you think it works? Do you have a link that states that?

.

Is that how you think it works? Do you have a link that states that?

seriously, do you have a link verifying the attributions for any of the figures within the 4th century compilation of your book. can you explain why not or why the history of christianity has been so one sided - why you are so vehemently opposed against people making their own choices that you attempt to write laws and other means to oppress them -

why does your religion lend itself entirely to the politics of hatred as demonstrated throughout history. fearing a free Spirit so much as having a need to kill them ...

Apparently I have more than you do. According to you, you have nothing.

I thought of another way im better than a lot of Christians and Christian values are finally catching up with me.

How many Christians went to churches as kids? What's up with taking your kids to a show that abuses animals? I've always known they were bad. Well finally Ringling brothers is closing for good. Thank god! Lol. Took him long enough to get Christians to understand it's a barbaric show.

Yet I instinctively knew.

I don't believe I have ever been to a circus. I must be better than you, right?

I just heard a nice saying. Hurt people hurt people. It is not my intention to hurt anyone so I'll keep that in mind moving forward

 

[BreezeWood]

Because you can't prove something, it's eternal? That's not even logical, let alone totally made up.

And I've always said that atheists can't prove that a god is not possible. Are you drinking midweek again?

And I keep telling you that atheists do not claim that a god cannot exist - only that "God does not exist" is the rational position, until such time as evidence proves the position untenable.

So you are expecting to find natural evidence for a supernatural being?

I dispute the existence of a "supernatural" being. Nature is all-encompassing. As such, it is not possible for something to exist outside of everything.

.

Nature is all-encompassing. As such, it is not possible for something to exist outside of everything.

the genome of life is distinct from the physical nature it derives.

Ummmm...okay? I have no idea what your point here is, or how it relates to my assertion that you are quoting, but, okay.

.

Ummmm...okay? I have no idea what your point here is, or how it relates to my assertion that you are quoting, but, okay.

the genome of life is physical in a different dimension than the physiology it produces. and I suppose you still disbelieve germs exist because you can not see them ...

 

[ding]

Is that how you think it works? Do you have a link that states that?

.

Is that how you think it works? Do you have a link that states that?

seriously, do you have a link verifying the attributions for any of the figures within the 4th century compilation of your book. can you explain why not or why the history of christianity has been so one sided - why you are so vehemently opposed against people making their own choices that you attempt to write laws and other means to oppress them -

why does your religion lend itself entirely to the politics of hatred as demonstrated throughout history. fearing a free Spirit so much as having a need to kill them ...

Apparently I have more than you do. According to you, you have nothing.

I thought of another way im better than a lot of Christians and Christian values are finally catching up with me.

How many Christians went to churches as kids? What's up with taking your kids to a show that abuses animals? I've always known they were bad. Well finally Ringling brothers is closing for good. Thank god! Lol. Took him long enough to get Christians to understand it's a barbaric show.

Yet I instinctively knew.

I don't believe I have ever been to a circus. I must be better than you, right?

I just heard a nice saying. Hurt people hurt people. It is not my intention to hurt anyone so I'll keep that in mind moving forward

That's a damn good saying. Mind if I use it?

 

[ding]

And I keep telling you that atheists do not claim that a god cannot exist - only that "God does not exist" is the rational position, until such time as evidence proves the position untenable.

So you are expecting to find natural evidence for a supernatural being?

I dispute the existence of a "supernatural" being. Nature is all-encompassing. As such, it is not possible for something to exist outside of everything.

.

Nature is all-encompassing. As such, it is not possible for something to exist outside of everything.

the genome of life is distinct from the physical nature it derives.

Ummmm...okay? I have no idea what your point here is, or how it relates to my assertion that you are quoting, but, okay.

.

Ummmm...okay? I have no idea what your point here is, or how it relates to my assertion that you are quoting, but, okay.

the genome of life is physical in a different dimension than the physiology it produces. and I suppose you still disbelieve germs exist because you can not see them ...

Why would need to you suppose anything about me? You could always ask. Where does the genome of life reside?

 

[BreezeWood]

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God is just as good as an answer to the first cause as anything else.

not your god of the 4th century ...

There is only one God. How many do you believe there are?

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There is only one God. How many do you believe there are?

the Almighty God and the multitude of Free Spirits that comprise innumerable gods of infinite characters.

 

[ding]

Is that how you think it works? Do you have a link that states that?

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Is that how you think it works? Do you have a link that states that?

seriously, do you have a link verifying the attributions for any of the figures within the 4th century compilation of your book. can you explain why not or why the history of christianity has been so one sided - why you are so vehemently opposed against people making their own choices that you attempt to write laws and other means to oppress them -

why does your religion lend itself entirely to the politics of hatred as demonstrated throughout history. fearing a free Spirit so much as having a need to kill them ...

Apparently I have more than you do. According to you, you have nothing.

.

Apparently I have more than you do. According to you, you have nothing.

you have the deaths of innocent people as the reality of your agenda disguised as a religion.


According to you ...

that is according to bing ... the righteous 4th century inquisitor.

The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever, Isaiah 40.8

.

The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever,

what has that have to do with your religions criminal acts of brutality ... other than coming from you those words are a hollow gesture.

not to mention belittling Flora for the sake of your god.

Why do you keep saying "your god?" There is only one God. As long as one let's Him know they are looking for Him, He'll find them.