saveliberty
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Seems rather unclear who is in charge at the moment.
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No, its actually the opposite. The military wants to keep it a secular government, while Egroden (hardcore islamist) wanted to alter their constitution to give himself far more power than the position was ever meant to give. This coup looks like a good thing, for now.Turkey may be a strict Islamic nation by the end of the day.
And how far have you been gone from your government? You still live in the USA and you even have removed Trump's sticker form your car today because you don't like Mike Pence.I tend to go against what the globalist government here says or wants
To each his own. I've noticed that in America just about every ethnic food is available and popular except borscht. That's because Americans have taste buds.Borscht is actually a Ukrainian dish and it tastes great. I cook it from my very childhood.And Borscht tastes awful, could drive a man to Vodka.Just because I admire Erdogan doesn't mean I want to live in Turkey.Go and live there then....if you like it so much!
Heck, I greatly admire Putin, but I'd never live in Russia.....way too cold. .......
Sunni Man, I don't always agree with you, but thank you for admiring Putin. I do too, however I'm not a Russian citizen, just love Russia.
And guess what: they would tell me to go and live in Russia too (sorry, Skye). They don't understand: we can't always do what we want. But I would love to.. May be some day...
Seems rather unclear who is in charge at the moment.
Erdogan will now have a free hand to guide Turkey back to its Islamic roots. .....
What you mean how far from the government? I WAS supporting a candidate that was going to upset the apple cart if I had my way the government would collapseAnd how far have you been gone from your government? You still live in the USA and you even have removed Trump's sticker form your car today because you don't like Mike Pence.I tend to go against what the globalist government here says or wants
That's absolutely false. They voted for Tanser Ciller (a woman!) in 1990(?), Yilmaz, Gul, Demirel, Ecovit, Ozal, and others since the last coup in 1980. None of them tried to turn the country into an Islamist regime until Erdogan.Wow, it seems Turkey has a history of banning religious parties. Very interesting to see where this path leads from here...
All previous Islamist parties in Turkey had been shut down by either military intervention or rulings by the constitutional court: The National Order Party, founded in 1970, was banned by the Constitutional Court in 1971. The National Salvation Party, founded in 1972, was outlawed after the 1980 military coup. The Welfare Party, founded in 1983, was banned by the Constitutional Court in 1998. The Virtue Party, founded in 1997, was banned in 2001.
Turkey is notable because its Islamist parties have reemerged, more moderate and pragmatic, after each closure. “Autocratic regimes in the Muslim world often ban religious parties, which then go underground and turn violent. Turkey’s Islamists have taken a different path. Despite being repeatedly outlawed and ejected from power, pious politicians have shunned violence, embraced democracy, and moved into the mainstream,” The Economist noted in 2008. “No Islamic party has been as moderate and pro-Western as the AKP, which catapulted into government in 2002 promising to lead Turkey into the European Union.”
Erdoğan, who founded the party, actually rejects defining the AKP in religious terms. “We are not an Islamic party, and we also refuse labels such as Muslim-democrat,” he said in 2005. The AKP leader instead calls the party’s agenda “conservative democracy.”
Islamist Politics in Turkey: The New Model?
The only way a Muslim country can be remotely peaceful is if it's ruled by an iron secular fist. If you let Muslims vote, they'll always end up voting in more and more extremists.
Turkey will do even better when the government ditches the secular nonsense and embraces its Islamic roots and is guided by Islam. ......just what is wrong. Turkey did better as secular.
That's a proposal thick with historical irony. If the Catholic Church had come to the aid of their sister Church in Constantinople 6 centuries ago, it would have never fallen to the Muslims to begin with. Choices have lasting consequences.No worries, Erdogan has the Muslim constitution ready to replace the already watered down Ataturk based secular constitution. The uneducated, ignorant country Turks have won. They will have a an Islamic Turkish Republic. I was hoping that the military would string that Islamist piece of shit up, but I guess there are too many Islamists in Turkey. But, Turkey should be thrown out of NATO. Instead of trying to promote regime change in Syria to overthrow the secular Syrian government, the West should overthrow the Turkish Islamist government.
here dopeythen you are ignorant of the history of turkeyWow, it seems Turkey has a history of banning religious parties. Very interesting to see where this path leads from here...
All previous Islamist parties in Turkey had been shut down by either military intervention or rulings by the constitutional court: The National Order Party, founded in 1970, was banned by the Constitutional Court in 1971. The National Salvation Party, founded in 1972, was outlawed after the 1980 military coup. The Welfare Party, founded in 1983, was banned by the Constitutional Court in 1998. The Virtue Party, founded in 1997, was banned in 2001.
Turkey is notable because its Islamist parties have reemerged, more moderate and pragmatic, after each closure. “Autocratic regimes in the Muslim world often ban religious parties, which then go underground and turn violent. Turkey’s Islamists have taken a different path. Despite being repeatedly outlawed and ejected from power, pious politicians have shunned violence, embraced democracy, and moved into the mainstream,” The Economist noted in 2008. “No Islamic party has been as moderate and pro-Western as the AKP, which catapulted into government in 2002 promising to lead Turkey into the European Union.”
Erdoğan, who founded the party, actually rejects defining the AKP in religious terms. “We are not an Islamic party, and we also refuse labels such as Muslim-democrat,” he said in 2005. The AKP leader instead calls the party’s agenda “conservative democracy.”
Islamist Politics in Turkey: The New Model?
The only way a Muslim country can be remotely peaceful is if it's ruled by an iron secular fist. If you let Muslims vote, they'll always end up voting in more and more extremists.
You're ignorant of the history of Islam.
History of the Republic of Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It will do better still when it rids itself of its Muslim infestation and returns to its Christian roots. Istanbul becomes Constantinople again.Turkey will do even better when the government ditches the secular nonsense and embraces its Islamic roots. ......just what is wrong. Turkey did better as secular.
Turkey is one of our best Muslim alliesNATO has no business doing anything. Turkey wasn't attacked.
NATO should have an emergency meeting and immediately suspend Turkey's membership.
Turkey may be a strict Islamic nation by the end of the day.