Australian teen shoots Australian police officer...but they don't have guns, right?

[idb]

So, why isn't the crime rate in the US much lower than that of Australia?

Because democrats control too many major cities. If you get out of the cities controlled by democrat law enforcement policies our gun murder rate is about the same as Europe....but democrats under fund the police, they don't hire enough police (because they spend their tax money on everyting but police) and then they attack the police like they did in Baltimore and undercut their ability to enforce the law...

Then...in chicago..another shooting gallery, the democrat politicians are picked by the gangs in the gang controlled neighborhoods.....these aldermen then vote against hiring more police (chicago is down 2,000 police due to being down 1000 and another 1000 due to sick leave and vactations), and they vote to keep law enforcement resources out of their neighborhoods.

Then....gun criminals get light sentences. We just sentenced a major gun traficker in Chicago...he tried to sell 43 guns in Chicago...he was caught because of an informant.

How much time do you think this major gun criminal was sentenced to.....3 years....he will be out in under 2. and he isn't the only one.

Police Commissioner McCarthy said that they had 30 criminals last year, arrested on illegal gun possession charges who already had gun possession convictions.

The guy who shot the girl from obama's neighborhood her in chicago....Hidea Pendleton was the girl....he was arrested on gun possession in November of that Year and out in December or January....when he shot the girl.

So our problem is that prosecutors and judges are not sentencing gun criminals to long sentences to keep them from reoffending, and keeping other criminals from carrying guns.....

That is why.

But there're lots of guns...so why isn't crime lower?

Actually...our gun murder rate is going down....in 2013 the gun murder rate was 8,454...in the latest CDC report in 2014 the gun murder rate was 8,145.

Our gun murder rate outside of small, multi block areas in democrat controlled cities is as low as Europe....American gang culture uses guns more than the criminals in Europe or Australia do...for now, that is changing.

For example...criminals in Europe and Australia can get guns just as easily as American Criminals can..they just don't use them as often, but that is changing. In fact....gun crime in Australia was low before the gun confiscation...and now it is going up.

Such a short post, to contain so many lies.

30 State Houses have Governors who are GOP implants. There are no "democrat controlled cities" anymore than there are "republican controlled cities"

Europe has the same access to books, magazines, movies, music, etc.... that we have. There is no difference in the culture.

Finally, in Europe you can't run down to Dick's and walk out with a firearm. It simply cannot happen there.

3 up; 3 down.

There is a complete difference in the culture....we did not experience feudalism and never had a king or queen in direct contact with our population...the countries with some of the strictest gun control all went through a feudal period....also, those countries also experienced direct contact with the destruction of World War 2, the United States didn't......those countries are more comfortable with a central, powerful government and obeying that government...we have a culture of opposing government at all levels.

That makes a big difference....

And before Britain and Australia confiscated their guns they had low gun violence...now they are experiencing more gun violence in both countries and Europe will see even more as they invite violent people from cultures alien to European culture.

Criminals in Europe can get guns just as easily as American criminals can......and they get fully automatic weapons and grenades as well...

So, if your argument is that Americans are inherently more violent than any other nationality...why would you give them easy access to guns?

 

[2aguy]

Because democrats control too many major cities. If you get out of the cities controlled by democrat law enforcement policies our gun murder rate is about the same as Europe....but democrats under fund the police, they don't hire enough police (because they spend their tax money on everyting but police) and then they attack the police like they did in Baltimore and undercut their ability to enforce the law...

Then...in chicago..another shooting gallery, the democrat politicians are picked by the gangs in the gang controlled neighborhoods.....these aldermen then vote against hiring more police (chicago is down 2,000 police due to being down 1000 and another 1000 due to sick leave and vactations), and they vote to keep law enforcement resources out of their neighborhoods.

Then....gun criminals get light sentences. We just sentenced a major gun traficker in Chicago...he tried to sell 43 guns in Chicago...he was caught because of an informant.

How much time do you think this major gun criminal was sentenced to.....3 years....he will be out in under 2. and he isn't the only one.

Police Commissioner McCarthy said that they had 30 criminals last year, arrested on illegal gun possession charges who already had gun possession convictions.

The guy who shot the girl from obama's neighborhood her in chicago....Hidea Pendleton was the girl....he was arrested on gun possession in November of that Year and out in December or January....when he shot the girl.

So our problem is that prosecutors and judges are not sentencing gun criminals to long sentences to keep them from reoffending, and keeping other criminals from carrying guns.....

That is why.

But there're lots of guns...so why isn't crime lower?

Actually...our gun murder rate is going down....in 2013 the gun murder rate was 8,454...in the latest CDC report in 2014 the gun murder rate was 8,145.

Our gun murder rate outside of small, multi block areas in democrat controlled cities is as low as Europe....American gang culture uses guns more than the criminals in Europe or Australia do...for now, that is changing.

For example...criminals in Europe and Australia can get guns just as easily as American Criminals can..they just don't use them as often, but that is changing. In fact....gun crime in Australia was low before the gun confiscation...and now it is going up.

Such a short post, to contain so many lies.

30 State Houses have Governors who are GOP implants. There are no "democrat controlled cities" anymore than there are "republican controlled cities"

Europe has the same access to books, magazines, movies, music, etc.... that we have. There is no difference in the culture.

Finally, in Europe you can't run down to Dick's and walk out with a firearm. It simply cannot happen there.

3 up; 3 down.

There is a complete difference in the culture....we did not experience feudalism and never had a king or queen in direct contact with our population...the countries with some of the strictest gun control all went through a feudal period....also, those countries also experienced direct contact with the destruction of World War 2, the United States didn't......those countries are more comfortable with a central, powerful government and obeying that government...we have a culture of opposing government at all levels.

That makes a big difference....

And before Britain and Australia confiscated their guns they had low gun violence...now they are experiencing more gun violence in both countries and Europe will see even more as they invite violent people from cultures alien to European culture.

Criminals in Europe can get guns just as easily as American criminals can......and they get fully automatic weapons and grenades as well...

So, if your argument is that Americans are inherently more violent than any other nationality...why would you give them easy access to guns?

My argument is not that Americans are more violent...read my posts.....


Americans are not more inherently violent than anyone else....our criminals in small, multi block areas created by democrat policies are....

and much of that violence comes from fighting created by illegal gun competition

There are over 320 million guns in private hands.

There are over 12.8 million Americans who carry guns for self defense.

There are around 90 million homes with guns in them.

There are only 8,145 gun murders in 2014...down from 8,454 in 2013 and on the way down from years past.

So no, Americans are incredibly responsible gun owners and don't misuse their guns.

A tiny portion of the criminal underworld uses guns in tiny parts of major cities, controlled by democrats to murder their rivals...

Otherwise our country is incredibly peaceful....

Europe...just imported a lot of violence and they will be turning their countries into much worse places than the United States in the coming years......

 

[idb]

I have read your posts.
You clearly said that the reason that Europeans don't shoot each other as much as Americans is because of culture differences.
Now you're trying to walk that back by saying it's because of the Democratic Party.

 

[candycorn]

I have read your posts.
You clearly said that the reason that Europeans don't shoot each other as much as Americans is because of culture differences.
Now you're trying to walk that back by saying it's because of the Democratic Party.

Conservative logic:
Obviously liberals are the ones using the guns; the same liberals who are supposedly trying to ban guns.

 

[2aguy]

I have read your posts.
You clearly said that the reason that Europeans don't shoot each other as much as Americans is because of culture differences.
Now you're trying to walk that back by saying it's because of the Democratic Party.

It is culture….and the democrat party…they create single teenage mothers for generations through their welfare programs, then they strip the police of their ability to keep a lid on inner city violence and then the criminal culture hear uses guns to enforce drug turf…..and they use them more often than the criminals in Europe do.

European criminals can get guns just as easily as criminals in the United States do……they get fully automatic rifles and grenades very easily as we have been seeing in the various mass shootings in Europe and the gang warfare in Marseilles and Sweden…and other European countries…

Why don't they use guns as often as our criminals do….I think they are starting to….Europe is behind the United STates in criminal violence and they are catching up. Dittos Australia.

 

[candycorn]

I have read your posts.
You clearly said that the reason that Europeans don't shoot each other as much as Americans is because of culture differences.
Now you're trying to walk that back by saying it's because of the Democratic Party.

It is culture….and the democrat party…they create single teenage mothers for generations through their welfare programs, then they strip the police of their ability to keep a lid on inner city violence and then the criminal culture hear uses guns to enforce drug turf…..and they use them more often than the criminals in Europe do.

30 of the 50 governors are republicans. They have no control over what happens in their states?

European criminals can get guns just as easily as criminals in the United States do……they get fully automatic rifles and grenades very easily as we have been seeing in the various mass shootings in Europe and the gang warfare in Marseilles and Sweden…and other European countries…

Patently false. You can no go to a store in Helsinki and walk out with a weapon. Here you can.

Why don't they use guns as often as our criminals do….I think they are starting to….Europe is behind the United STates in criminal violence and they are catching up. Dittos Australia.

The murder by firearm rate in Australia will have to increase 2100% to equal ours.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Wow...didn't hear about this during obama's press conference..of course it happened after he made a fool of himself...but bad timing. did the Iranian teen not realize that obama just told everyone that Australian gun laws kept shootings from happening....I mean..if the teen, suspected of terrorism, can shoot one police officer, then he could have shot more people........right?

But....How did a teenager get a gun in extreme gun controlled Australia?

the kid is 15 years old...how did he get a gun in extreme gun controlled Australia....I thought you anti gun extremists said they solved this...and here we have a 15 year old killing a police officer...

See...I have oointed out in post after post that criminals and mass shooters can get guns easily in any country.

Britain just caught a 19 year old planning on shooting up the university that kicked him out....je got a pistol and over 90 rounds with extended magazines...as well as pipe bombs...and he said geting the weapon and bombs was as easy as buying chocolates....

so how did a 19 year old get a gun in extreme gun controlled Britain?

Europe and Australia are behind the U.S. In mass shootimgs...but as it was pointed out...they have crazy people too....and with the media attention and fame our mass shooters get...that is going to travel over seas...and their crazies are going to start shooting people too....

and like this Iranian kid in Austtalia.....they also have terrorists...

Teen's Slaying Of Australian Police Worker 'Linked To Terror'

Homicides by firearm per 1 million people (according to UN data)

Australia 1.4
New Zealand 1.6
Germany 1.9
Austria 2.2
Denmark 2.7
Sweden 4.1
Ireland 4.8
Canada 5.1
Luxembourg 6.2
Belgium 6.8
Switzerland 7.7
United States 29.7

Your thread is pointless and meaningless. The incident you cite is something that would be a very rare occurence in Australia, especially compared to gun violence in the US.

You take democrat controlled cities like Chicago, Baltimore and DC out of the equation the numbers would be close to that of Australia.

 

[candycorn]

Wow...didn't hear about this during obama's press conference..of course it happened after he made a fool of himself...but bad timing. did the Iranian teen not realize that obama just told everyone that Australian gun laws kept shootings from happening....I mean..if the teen, suspected of terrorism, can shoot one police officer, then he could have shot more people........right?

But....How did a teenager get a gun in extreme gun controlled Australia?

the kid is 15 years old...how did he get a gun in extreme gun controlled Australia....I thought you anti gun extremists said they solved this...and here we have a 15 year old killing a police officer...

See...I have oointed out in post after post that criminals and mass shooters can get guns easily in any country.

Britain just caught a 19 year old planning on shooting up the university that kicked him out....je got a pistol and over 90 rounds with extended magazines...as well as pipe bombs...and he said geting the weapon and bombs was as easy as buying chocolates....

so how did a 19 year old get a gun in extreme gun controlled Britain?

Europe and Australia are behind the U.S. In mass shootimgs...but as it was pointed out...they have crazy people too....and with the media attention and fame our mass shooters get...that is going to travel over seas...and their crazies are going to start shooting people too....

and like this Iranian kid in Austtalia.....they also have terrorists...

Teen's Slaying Of Australian Police Worker 'Linked To Terror'

Homicides by firearm per 1 million people (according to UN data)

Australia 1.4
New Zealand 1.6
Germany 1.9
Austria 2.2
Denmark 2.7
Sweden 4.1
Ireland 4.8
Canada 5.1
Luxembourg 6.2
Belgium 6.8
Switzerland 7.7
United States 29.7

Your thread is pointless and meaningless. The incident you cite is something that would be a very rare occurence in Australia, especially compared to gun violence in the US.

You take democrat controlled cities like Chicago, Baltimore and DC out of the equation the numbers would be close to that of Australia.

Link?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Wow...didn't hear about this during obama's press conference..of course it happened after he made a fool of himself...but bad timing. did the Iranian teen not realize that obama just told everyone that Australian gun laws kept shootings from happening....I mean..if the teen, suspected of terrorism, can shoot one police officer, then he could have shot more people........right?

But....How did a teenager get a gun in extreme gun controlled Australia?

the kid is 15 years old...how did he get a gun in extreme gun controlled Australia....I thought you anti gun extremists said they solved this...and here we have a 15 year old killing a police officer...

See...I have oointed out in post after post that criminals and mass shooters can get guns easily in any country.

Britain just caught a 19 year old planning on shooting up the university that kicked him out....je got a pistol and over 90 rounds with extended magazines...as well as pipe bombs...and he said geting the weapon and bombs was as easy as buying chocolates....

so how did a 19 year old get a gun in extreme gun controlled Britain?

Europe and Australia are behind the U.S. In mass shootimgs...but as it was pointed out...they have crazy people too....and with the media attention and fame our mass shooters get...that is going to travel over seas...and their crazies are going to start shooting people too....

and like this Iranian kid in Austtalia.....they also have terrorists...

Teen's Slaying Of Australian Police Worker 'Linked To Terror'

Homicides by firearm per 1 million people (according to UN data)

Australia 1.4
New Zealand 1.6
Germany 1.9
Austria 2.2
Denmark 2.7
Sweden 4.1
Ireland 4.8
Canada 5.1
Luxembourg 6.2
Belgium 6.8
Switzerland 7.7
United States 29.7

Your thread is pointless and meaningless. The incident you cite is something that would be a very rare occurence in Australia, especially compared to gun violence in the US.

You take democrat controlled cities like Chicago, Baltimore and DC out of the equation the numbers would be close to that of Australia.

Link?

if one were to exclude figures for Illinois, California, New Jersey and Washington D.C., The homicide rate in the United States would be in line with any other country and – of course – the nation’s capital, along with these three states, have some of the strictest gun laws in the country. The irony of this is not lost on gun-rights advocates.


Gun Violence Facts in New Report Contradict Anti-gun Narrative

 

[candycorn]

Wow...didn't hear about this during obama's press conference..of course it happened after he made a fool of himself...but bad timing. did the Iranian teen not realize that obama just told everyone that Australian gun laws kept shootings from happening....I mean..if the teen, suspected of terrorism, can shoot one police officer, then he could have shot more people........right?

But....How did a teenager get a gun in extreme gun controlled Australia?

the kid is 15 years old...how did he get a gun in extreme gun controlled Australia....I thought you anti gun extremists said they solved this...and here we have a 15 year old killing a police officer...

See...I have oointed out in post after post that criminals and mass shooters can get guns easily in any country.

Britain just caught a 19 year old planning on shooting up the university that kicked him out....je got a pistol and over 90 rounds with extended magazines...as well as pipe bombs...and he said geting the weapon and bombs was as easy as buying chocolates....

so how did a 19 year old get a gun in extreme gun controlled Britain?

Europe and Australia are behind the U.S. In mass shootimgs...but as it was pointed out...they have crazy people too....and with the media attention and fame our mass shooters get...that is going to travel over seas...and their crazies are going to start shooting people too....

and like this Iranian kid in Austtalia.....they also have terrorists...

Teen's Slaying Of Australian Police Worker 'Linked To Terror'

Homicides by firearm per 1 million people (according to UN data)

Australia 1.4
New Zealand 1.6
Germany 1.9
Austria 2.2
Denmark 2.7
Sweden 4.1
Ireland 4.8
Canada 5.1
Luxembourg 6.2
Belgium 6.8
Switzerland 7.7
United States 29.7

Your thread is pointless and meaningless. The incident you cite is something that would be a very rare occurence in Australia, especially compared to gun violence in the US.

You take democrat controlled cities like Chicago, Baltimore and DC out of the equation the numbers would be close to that of Australia.

Link?

if one were to exclude figures for Illinois, California, New Jersey and Washington D.C., The homicide rate in the United States would be in line with any other country and – of course – the nation’s capital, along with these three states, have some of the strictest gun laws in the country. The irony of this is not lost on gun-rights advocates.


Gun Violence Facts in New Report Contradict Anti-gun Narrative

It doesn't say "close to Australia". But what would happen if we allowed other nations to remove their ghetto areas from the report??? We would likely be higher still.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Wow...didn't hear about this during obama's press conference..of course it happened after he made a fool of himself...but bad timing. did the Iranian teen not realize that obama just told everyone that Australian gun laws kept shootings from happening....I mean..if the teen, suspected of terrorism, can shoot one police officer, then he could have shot more people........right?

But....How did a teenager get a gun in extreme gun controlled Australia?

the kid is 15 years old...how did he get a gun in extreme gun controlled Australia....I thought you anti gun extremists said they solved this...and here we have a 15 year old killing a police officer...

See...I have oointed out in post after post that criminals and mass shooters can get guns easily in any country.

Britain just caught a 19 year old planning on shooting up the university that kicked him out....je got a pistol and over 90 rounds with extended magazines...as well as pipe bombs...and he said geting the weapon and bombs was as easy as buying chocolates....

so how did a 19 year old get a gun in extreme gun controlled Britain?

Europe and Australia are behind the U.S. In mass shootimgs...but as it was pointed out...they have crazy people too....and with the media attention and fame our mass shooters get...that is going to travel over seas...and their crazies are going to start shooting people too....

and like this Iranian kid in Austtalia.....they also have terrorists...

Teen's Slaying Of Australian Police Worker 'Linked To Terror'

Homicides by firearm per 1 million people (according to UN data)

Australia 1.4
New Zealand 1.6
Germany 1.9
Austria 2.2
Denmark 2.7
Sweden 4.1
Ireland 4.8
Canada 5.1
Luxembourg 6.2
Belgium 6.8
Switzerland 7.7
United States 29.7

Your thread is pointless and meaningless. The incident you cite is something that would be a very rare occurence in Australia, especially compared to gun violence in the US.

You take democrat controlled cities like Chicago, Baltimore and DC out of the equation the numbers would be close to that of Australia.

Link?

if one were to exclude figures for Illinois, California, New Jersey and Washington D.C., The homicide rate in the United States would be in line with any other country and – of course – the nation’s capital, along with these three states, have some of the strictest gun laws in the country. The irony of this is not lost on gun-rights advocates.


Gun Violence Facts in New Report Contradict Anti-gun Narrative

It doesn't say "close to Australia". But what would happen if we allowed other nations to remove their ghetto areas from the report??? We would likely be higher still.

Australia isn't "any other country"?

 

[2aguy]

I have read your posts.
You clearly said that the reason that Europeans don't shoot each other as much as Americans is because of culture differences.
Now you're trying to walk that back by saying it's because of the Democratic Party.

It is culture….and the democrat party…they create single teenage mothers for generations through their welfare programs, then they strip the police of their ability to keep a lid on inner city violence and then the criminal culture hear uses guns to enforce drug turf…..and they use them more often than the criminals in Europe do.

30 of the 50 governors are republicans. They have no control over what happens in their states?

European criminals can get guns just as easily as criminals in the United States do……they get fully automatic rifles and grenades very easily as we have been seeing in the various mass shootings in Europe and the gang warfare in Marseilles and Sweden…and other European countries…

Patently false. You can no go to a store in Helsinki and walk out with a weapon. Here you can.

Why don't they use guns as often as our criminals do….I think they are starting to….Europe is behind the United STates in criminal violence and they are catching up. Dittos Australia.

The murder by firearm rate in Australia will have to increase 2100% to equal ours.

Republican governors do not control democrat controlled cities…..just like here in Illinois our republican Governor does not dictate police policy on the mayor……Chicago needs 2,000 more police, we are down 1000 due to not having them, and another 1000 because of vacation and sick leave, then you have the gangs in the Wards picking their aldermen who represent them in City hall, blocking police enforcement measures…

So no…having a Republican governor doesn't protect those cities….like D.C. we have a republican congress but D.C. is run by democrats.

 

[candycorn]

Homicides by firearm per 1 million people (according to UN data)

Australia 1.4
New Zealand 1.6
Germany 1.9
Austria 2.2
Denmark 2.7
Sweden 4.1
Ireland 4.8
Canada 5.1
Luxembourg 6.2
Belgium 6.8
Switzerland 7.7
United States 29.7

Your thread is pointless and meaningless. The incident you cite is something that would be a very rare occurence in Australia, especially compared to gun violence in the US.

You take democrat controlled cities like Chicago, Baltimore and DC out of the equation the numbers would be close to that of Australia.

Link?

if one were to exclude figures for Illinois, California, New Jersey and Washington D.C., The homicide rate in the United States would be in line with any other country and – of course – the nation’s capital, along with these three states, have some of the strictest gun laws in the country. The irony of this is not lost on gun-rights advocates.


Gun Violence Facts in New Report Contradict Anti-gun Narrative

It doesn't say "close to Australia". But what would happen if we allowed other nations to remove their ghetto areas from the report??? We would likely be higher still.

Australia isn't "any other country"?

Australia is on the low end of the spectrum. Nothing in the source material says that. Again, if all of the nations in the study were able to remove the ghettoes from their stats, we would likely still be higher.

 

[candycorn]

I have read your posts.
You clearly said that the reason that Europeans don't shoot each other as much as Americans is because of culture differences.
Now you're trying to walk that back by saying it's because of the Democratic Party.

It is culture….and the democrat party…they create single teenage mothers for generations through their welfare programs, then they strip the police of their ability to keep a lid on inner city violence and then the criminal culture hear uses guns to enforce drug turf…..and they use them more often than the criminals in Europe do.

30 of the 50 governors are republicans. They have no control over what happens in their states?

European criminals can get guns just as easily as criminals in the United States do……they get fully automatic rifles and grenades very easily as we have been seeing in the various mass shootings in Europe and the gang warfare in Marseilles and Sweden…and other European countries…

Patently false. You can no go to a store in Helsinki and walk out with a weapon. Here you can.

Why don't they use guns as often as our criminals do….I think they are starting to….Europe is behind the United STates in criminal violence and they are catching up. Dittos Australia.

The murder by firearm rate in Australia will have to increase 2100% to equal ours.

Republican governors do not control democrat controlled cities…..just like here in Illinois our republican Governor does not dictate police policy on the mayor……Chicago needs 2,000 more police, we are down 1000 due to not having them, and another 1000 because of vacation and sick leave, then you have the gangs in the Wards picking their aldermen who represent them in City hall, blocking police enforcement measures…

So no…having a Republican governor doesn't protect those cities….like D.C. we have a republican congress but D.C. is run by democrats.

Do republican governors do anything? Apparently public safety isn't their job, education isn't their job, responding to hurricanes isn't their job, infrastructure isn't their job...

Last I checked, state laws superseded local ordinances.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You take democrat controlled cities like Chicago, Baltimore and DC out of the equation the numbers would be close to that of Australia.

Link?

if one were to exclude figures for Illinois, California, New Jersey and Washington D.C., The homicide rate in the United States would be in line with any other country and – of course – the nation’s capital, along with these three states, have some of the strictest gun laws in the country. The irony of this is not lost on gun-rights advocates.


Gun Violence Facts in New Report Contradict Anti-gun Narrative

It doesn't say "close to Australia". But what would happen if we allowed other nations to remove their ghetto areas from the report??? We would likely be higher still.

Australia isn't "any other country"?

Australia is on the low end of the spectrum. Nothing in the source material says that. Again, if all of the nations in the study were able to remove the ghettoes from their stats, we would likely still be higher.

Your assumption is just as valid as mine.

 

[2aguy]

I have read your posts.
You clearly said that the reason that Europeans don't shoot each other as much as Americans is because of culture differences.
Now you're trying to walk that back by saying it's because of the Democratic Party.

It is culture….and the democrat party…they create single teenage mothers for generations through their welfare programs, then they strip the police of their ability to keep a lid on inner city violence and then the criminal culture hear uses guns to enforce drug turf…..and they use them more often than the criminals in Europe do.

30 of the 50 governors are republicans. They have no control over what happens in their states?

European criminals can get guns just as easily as criminals in the United States do……they get fully automatic rifles and grenades very easily as we have been seeing in the various mass shootings in Europe and the gang warfare in Marseilles and Sweden…and other European countries…

Patently false. You can no go to a store in Helsinki and walk out with a weapon. Here you can.

Why don't they use guns as often as our criminals do….I think they are starting to….Europe is behind the United STates in criminal violence and they are catching up. Dittos Australia.

The murder by firearm rate in Australia will have to increase 2100% to equal ours.

Republican governors do not control democrat controlled cities…..just like here in Illinois our republican Governor does not dictate police policy on the mayor……Chicago needs 2,000 more police, we are down 1000 due to not having them, and another 1000 because of vacation and sick leave, then you have the gangs in the Wards picking their aldermen who represent them in City hall, blocking police enforcement measures…

So no…having a Republican governor doesn't protect those cities….like D.C. we have a republican congress but D.C. is run by democrats.

Do republican governors do anything? Apparently public safety isn't their job, education isn't their job, responding to hurricanes isn't their job, infrastructure isn't their job...

Last I checked, state laws superseded local ordinances.

Public safety in inner city neighborhoods….that is the job of the Governor? Really?

 

[2aguy]

I have read your posts.
You clearly said that the reason that Europeans don't shoot each other as much as Americans is because of culture differences.
Now you're trying to walk that back by saying it's because of the Democratic Party.

It is culture….and the democrat party…they create single teenage mothers for generations through their welfare programs, then they strip the police of their ability to keep a lid on inner city violence and then the criminal culture hear uses guns to enforce drug turf…..and they use them more often than the criminals in Europe do.

30 of the 50 governors are republicans. They have no control over what happens in their states?

European criminals can get guns just as easily as criminals in the United States do……they get fully automatic rifles and grenades very easily as we have been seeing in the various mass shootings in Europe and the gang warfare in Marseilles and Sweden…and other European countries…

Patently false. You can no go to a store in Helsinki and walk out with a weapon. Here you can.

Why don't they use guns as often as our criminals do….I think they are starting to….Europe is behind the United STates in criminal violence and they are catching up. Dittos Australia.

The murder by firearm rate in Australia will have to increase 2100% to equal ours.

Republican governors do not control democrat controlled cities…..just like here in Illinois our republican Governor does not dictate police policy on the mayor……Chicago needs 2,000 more police, we are down 1000 due to not having them, and another 1000 because of vacation and sick leave, then you have the gangs in the Wards picking their aldermen who represent them in City hall, blocking police enforcement measures…

So no…having a Republican governor doesn't protect those cities….like D.C. we have a republican congress but D.C. is run by democrats.

Do republican governors do anything? Apparently public safety isn't their job, education isn't their job, responding to hurricanes isn't their job, infrastructure isn't their job...

Last I checked, state laws superseded local ordinances.

Nope….Chicago has there own laws about guns…..as does D.C. and Baltimore……and any number of big cities.

 

[candycorn]

Link?

if one were to exclude figures for Illinois, California, New Jersey and Washington D.C., The homicide rate in the United States would be in line with any other country and – of course – the nation’s capital, along with these three states, have some of the strictest gun laws in the country. The irony of this is not lost on gun-rights advocates.


Gun Violence Facts in New Report Contradict Anti-gun Narrative

It doesn't say "close to Australia". But what would happen if we allowed other nations to remove their ghetto areas from the report??? We would likely be higher still.

Australia isn't "any other country"?

Australia is on the low end of the spectrum. Nothing in the source material says that. Again, if all of the nations in the study were able to remove the ghettoes from their stats, we would likely still be higher.

Your assumption is just as valid as mine.

Not really;

Your statement is that if we removed what you call "democrat controlled inner cities" (no such thing exists), we would go from worst to first discounting violence in the hinterland such as movie theaters in Lafayette La and Colorado, schools across the nation, and military bases. It's a major assumption.

My statement is that if Sweeden could pick and choose what gets measured (as you're trying to do), their high crime areas would be excluded as well. The assumption is that we'd remain as the most bloodthirsty advanced society on earth.

 

[candycorn]

I have read your posts.
You clearly said that the reason that Europeans don't shoot each other as much as Americans is because of culture differences.
Now you're trying to walk that back by saying it's because of the Democratic Party.

It is culture….and the democrat party…they create single teenage mothers for generations through their welfare programs, then they strip the police of their ability to keep a lid on inner city violence and then the criminal culture hear uses guns to enforce drug turf…..and they use them more often than the criminals in Europe do.

30 of the 50 governors are republicans. They have no control over what happens in their states?

European criminals can get guns just as easily as criminals in the United States do……they get fully automatic rifles and grenades very easily as we have been seeing in the various mass shootings in Europe and the gang warfare in Marseilles and Sweden…and other European countries…

Patently false. You can no go to a store in Helsinki and walk out with a weapon. Here you can.

Why don't they use guns as often as our criminals do….I think they are starting to….Europe is behind the United STates in criminal violence and they are catching up. Dittos Australia.

The murder by firearm rate in Australia will have to increase 2100% to equal ours.

Republican governors do not control democrat controlled cities…..just like here in Illinois our republican Governor does not dictate police policy on the mayor……Chicago needs 2,000 more police, we are down 1000 due to not having them, and another 1000 because of vacation and sick leave, then you have the gangs in the Wards picking their aldermen who represent them in City hall, blocking police enforcement measures…

So no…having a Republican governor doesn't protect those cities….like D.C. we have a republican congress but D.C. is run by democrats.

Do republican governors do anything? Apparently public safety isn't their job, education isn't their job, responding to hurricanes isn't their job, infrastructure isn't their job...

Last I checked, state laws superseded local ordinances.

Nope….Chicago has there own laws about guns…..as does D.C. and Baltimore……and any number of big cities.

Oh, okay. So state laws do not apply to the cities. Fascinating view of society you have there.

 

[candycorn]

I have read your posts.
You clearly said that the reason that Europeans don't shoot each other as much as Americans is because of culture differences.
Now you're trying to walk that back by saying it's because of the Democratic Party.

It is culture….and the democrat party…they create single teenage mothers for generations through their welfare programs, then they strip the police of their ability to keep a lid on inner city violence and then the criminal culture hear uses guns to enforce drug turf…..and they use them more often than the criminals in Europe do.

30 of the 50 governors are republicans. They have no control over what happens in their states?

European criminals can get guns just as easily as criminals in the United States do……they get fully automatic rifles and grenades very easily as we have been seeing in the various mass shootings in Europe and the gang warfare in Marseilles and Sweden…and other European countries…

Patently false. You can no go to a store in Helsinki and walk out with a weapon. Here you can.

Why don't they use guns as often as our criminals do….I think they are starting to….Europe is behind the United STates in criminal violence and they are catching up. Dittos Australia.

The murder by firearm rate in Australia will have to increase 2100% to equal ours.

Republican governors do not control democrat controlled cities…..just like here in Illinois our republican Governor does not dictate police policy on the mayor……Chicago needs 2,000 more police, we are down 1000 due to not having them, and another 1000 because of vacation and sick leave, then you have the gangs in the Wards picking their aldermen who represent them in City hall, blocking police enforcement measures…

So no…having a Republican governor doesn't protect those cities….like D.C. we have a republican congress but D.C. is run by democrats.

Do republican governors do anything? Apparently public safety isn't their job, education isn't their job, responding to hurricanes isn't their job, infrastructure isn't their job...

Last I checked, state laws superseded local ordinances.

Public safety in inner city neighborhoods….that is the job of the Governor? Really?

Apparently not.