Background checks and increase age to own a gun.

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Here's an AR
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stop telling them our secrets

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lol here's another one lol
Freedom-15 100% AR-15 Lower Mold Kit, ARCast Resin & Pre-Bent Braces

SHUT UP!!! THEY'RE GONNA START BITCHING ABOUT THAT TOO!!!

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cases and case are out there and there are tons more lol

Let these buffoons live in their fantasy land. Don't educate them.

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[Brain357]

[Q

You work so hard to make sure killers are well armed. Wouldn’t want to be you trying to get into heaven one day...

Where you are confused is making the assumption that taking firearms away from law abiding gun owners would cut down on gun crime by the criminal element that commit the great majority of gun crimes in this country.

Of course your confusion is understandable. You Liberals are just as confused about gun crime as you are confused about Economics, Climate Science, History, the Constitution, Ethics and Biology.

Countries with strong gun control have homicide rates a small fraction of ours. A large capacity magazine isn’t needed for defense.

I disagree.

Many home defense situations can and do involve a home resident hiding in a defensive position in the dark defending against multiple threats. Being forced to find and reload additional magazines IN THE DARK is a substantial threat to safety.

Furthermore, large capacity magazines are in common use.

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You have some imagination.

 

[Brain357]

Politics first, who cares about public safety.

Ask the Democrats that control big city shiholes holes like Chicago and Baltimore where most of the gun crime in this country takes place if they give a shit about public safety. They don't.

They don't want to stop gun crime among the Democrat voting Negroes crminals in South Chicago. They want to take the guns away from the South Georgia farmer that never committed a crime because he votes Republican.

It has never been about public safety. With the Liberals is about taking guns away from White people that oppose the Liberal agenda to make this country a socialist shithole.

And our worst mass shooters are white people with guns for mass killing.

You are confused. For Whites to be 70% of the population they are significantly under represented in this line up, ain't they?

See the Vegas shooter. See the Newtown shooter, he massacred 1st graders and was really pasty.

See the dozens of Blacks and Browns in that chart. Whites are significantly under represented being almost 70% of the population.

You are really confused about this, aren't you? Must be the Trump Derangement Syndrome mental illness.

I see you choose to ignore our worst mass shootings.

 

[Brain357]

Years of saying that ain’t saving nobody.

And making new laws doesn't seem to be saving anyone, either.

Well that’s because we haven’t. Actually laws were taken away.

Would the laws that were 'taken away' have played a direct role in stopping the shooter in El Paso or Dayton?

Yes. The assault weapons ban and magazine limits would have slowed them for certain. Dayton fired at least 41 shots in 30 seconds.

Which he could have done with 4 10-round magazines (with the first in the hole).

You don't seem to understand how this all works.

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Great argument for making them illegal.

 

[Defiant1]

We need to stop selling all semi auto rifles capable of using large capacity magazines immediately.

Why don't you want law abiding citizens to be able to protect themselves from a bunch of murderous thugs?

Are you a gang member? Do you want to commit crimes without worrying if your victim has more fire power than you?

 

[BluesLegend]

[

The legal age to purchase a gun should be 21, with perhaps some limited exceptions for an appropriate hunting rifle. An 18 year old kid is not yet mature enough to be a unsupervised gun owner. And before people go there an 18 year old in the military wielding a weapon is heavily trained and supervised.

LOL!!

The government has already determined that an 18 year old can pretty well handle a gun. There are tens of thousands of them in the military.

If you are old enough to fight for your country then you are old enough to enjoy the rights that you are fighting for.

The military both trains and supervises 18 year old service members to handle a gun.

 

[BluesLegend]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

The legal age to purchase a gun should be 21, with perhaps some limited exceptions for an appropriate hunting rifle. An 18 year old kid is not yet mature enough to be a unsupervised gun owner. And before people go there an 18 year old in the military wielding a weapon is heavily trained and supervised.

Slade I'd be the first to support this but here's the problem. Gun control advocates are big fat liars. When we give them an inch they take a mile. They don't negotiate in good faith. Gun control advocates have every intention of breaking the deal. They will take the inch we give and keep right on pushing until guns are banned. On the way they pass laws which render owning a gun useless, or so legally risky people voluntarily give up their 2nd amendment rights.

These gun control punks are the reason we don't already have sensible, bi-partisan gun control in this country.

I appreciate the honesty and the reply however I just don’t buy the slippery slope argument. Fear of what comes next is no excuse not to take the right moves now. The end result is nothing gets done. If a business operated that way it would fail in a heartbeat.

Its not fear gun control assholes have been caught admitting this numerous times.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Yeah. Even with the proposed amount being restricted, getting multiple magazines is still easy to do. You can ban assault weapons but killers will get them on the black market. Until you can stop the flow of assault weapon in and out of the black market, no ban of any kind will be effective.

The shooter fired 41 times in 30 seconds. Had he needed to change magazines several times, fewer round would have been fired and lives saved.

The whole idea is to stop him from ever pulling the trigger, is it not?

Falling short of that, it's to reduce his firepower. GI's fought a war with AR-15's (M16) and 20-round magazines. A Vietnam era pack would carry 14 mags, bug juice and peanut butter. That's 280 rounds. The Dayton guy had 250, and a 100 round magazine. It's insane for a civilian to pack that on the street.

Limiting his firepower doesn't necessarily mean he won't kill as many people... less or more.

I hear you. We can't do everything, so we should do nothing. You win.

Uh, what?

I never said "do nothing".

You can limit his firepower to the point of a lead pencil. The propensity to take life still exists.

Where is the balance, joaquin? Where is the middle ground where we can please both sides while still accomplishing the same goals?

 

[Crixus]

In the end Trump is just another politician wanting 4 more years. He has already demonstrated a willingness to ban stupid shit when this happens. He needs to be very careful how he proceeds or he will cut his own throat. Not even Sean Hannity slobbering all over him will save him from his base not turning out.

If Trump does something stupid with gun control he will lose a sizable portion of his base.

He is smart enough to know that.

He knows doing something stupid like a UBC or god forbid another silly AWB will not get any Moon Bats to vote for him but will lose Conservative voters in several of the swing states.

Is is not like us Conservative gun owners will vote for the Moon Bat candidate but we will be less enthusiastic. Just ask McCain and Romney what happens with a less than enthusiastic Conservative voter base.

Trump is playing Rope a Dope with the Moon Bats with his "meaningful" approach to gun control. They know it but their ain't much they can do about it. Trump is smarter than they are.

Politics first, who cares about public safety.

The braidy bill was supposed to make the public safe. What happened?

First it only applied to handguns. Automatic rifles such an AK47 was excluded. Second, it only applied to federally license dealers. Sales between individuals and gun show sales were not included. So it you're a convicted felony or just out of the nut house you buy your guns from gun shows, individuals, or your neighborhood gun peddler selling out the trunk his car.

Gun show sells are dealt with just like any FFL sells

Yup.

 

[Care4all]

just reinstate the assault weapons ban that was in place under Clinton and Congress or Bush2 let expire...

enough already....

yes, bad guys could still get a gun on the black market, but when they are banned, the price on the black market will sky rocket, making it much much harder for these 20 to 30 yr old guys to afford them....

if it cuts these mass murders with assault/rapid fire/destructive powered weapons, it's good enough for me, for now.

yes, some rich guy like the Las Vegas shooter may still be out there, able to afford black market prices, but parkland, el paso, and Dayton, the synagogue etc mass murders would likely not have occurred by these young men, or likely to not have been as destructive without semi automatics, by these young men.

And that didn't do anything......criminals don't use them, cause they can't hide them in their baby momma's purse, and mass shooters will use the same semi-automatic rifle but with wood features.....

You moron.

The only thing we need to do? Life in prison for any crime committed with a gun. 15-30 if a convicted felon is caught with an illegal gun....

That dries up 95% of all gun crime right there......

It did plenty.

Your silly ideas would not have stopped any of these recent mass murders...

Just a bunch of bull crud that stops nothing...

 

[joaquinmiller]

The shooter fired 41 times in 30 seconds. Had he needed to change magazines several times, fewer round would have been fired and lives saved.

The whole idea is to stop him from ever pulling the trigger, is it not?

Falling short of that, it's to reduce his firepower. GI's fought a war with AR-15's (M16) and 20-round magazines. A Vietnam era pack would carry 14 mags, bug juice and peanut butter. That's 280 rounds. The Dayton guy had 250, and a 100 round magazine. It's insane for a civilian to pack that on the street.

Limiting his firepower doesn't necessarily mean he won't kill as many people... less or more.

I hear you. We can't do everything, so we should do nothing. You win.

Uh, what?

I never said "do nothing".

You can limit his firepower to the point of a lead pencil. The propensity to take life still exists.

Where is the balance, joaquin? Where is the middle ground where we can please both sides while still accomplishing the same goals?

I know you didn't, but less is more applies to acting, writing, and some spices - not magazine capacity.

Arbitrary numbers? I don't know. Fewer than 20, if we're talking about a high-velocity rifle with with a 60+ gr. round.

 

[Lakhota]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

The right to bear arms also includes RESPONSIBILITY.

Any functional idiot can be quickly taught to fire a gun and hit a cardboard box - but there's much more to it than that if an armed citizen pulls a gun in a violent shootout like in El Paso. How are police supposed to know the difference between the armed citizen and the terrorist?

 

[LaDairis]

The right to bear arms also includes RESPONSIBILITY

Lakhota's definition of "responsibility"

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THOU MUST VOTE DEM

 

[2aguy]

[

The difficulty in balancing individual freedoms against protection of the individual is such a difficult problem that many nations turn to totalitarian measures. The US is still struggling to find that balance as we see with gun ownership and freedom of speech..

The founding founders were so afraid of democracy that they put almost no protections for individual freedoms in the constitution and added the Bill of Rights as an afterthought.

Only 3 countries in the world today protect the right to bear arms in their constitutions: the US, Mexico, and Guatemala. Both Mexico and Guatemala have now curtailed legal rights to own guns but fail to enforce those curtailments. Bolivia, Costa Rica, Colombia, Honduras, Nicaragua, an Liberia followed the US example but have have rescinded those rights as violence and instability rose. None of these countries have been successful and controlling the guns or gun violence.

It appears that once gun ownership and the resulting violence catches hold in a nation, removing it becomes almost impossible.

Tens of millions of Americans are law abiding gun owners.

Taking guns away from them will have little or no impact to the criminal elements.

Most of the gun crimes in the US is committed by inner city thugs, gang members, druggies and others that would no more adhere to a new gun law than the Man in the Moon.

I think the US passed that point many many years ago. The few countries that have been spared gun violence such as Japan have a long history of gun control. Guns were introduced in Japan in 1588 and gun control began in 1624. Today police do not usually carry guns. Gun related deaths in the US is 200 times greater than Japan.

The Yakuza used guns and grenades as recently as 2013.......they passed new laws giving a life sentence for using a gun in a crime and 10 years or more for being caught with an illegal gun...that is how they stopped gun crime......

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

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A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

And their homicide rates were a tiny fraction of ours that whole time. They have never been flooded with guns.

They had guns....but their criminals did not commit murder.....they are now committing murder....

 

[Crixus]

Given the shit sandwich that was served up with two mass shootings in two days and the frenzy that came afterwards Trump is managing this pretty well.

He has taken AWB off the table and he is using the term "meaningful" instead of UBC.

God help us if we get a Democrat Congress and a Democrat President.

In the end Trump is just another politician wanting 4 more years. He has already demonstrated a willingness to ban stupid shit when this happens. He needs to be very careful how he proceeds or he will cut his own throat. Not even Sean Hannity slobbering all over him will save him from his base not turning out.

If Trump does something stupid with gun control he will lose a sizable portion of his base.

He is smart enough to know that.

He knows doing something stupid like a UBC or god forbid another silly AWB will not get any Moon Bats to vote for him but will lose Conservative voters in several of the swing states.

Is is not like us Conservative gun owners will vote for the Moon Bat candidate but we will be less enthusiastic. Just ask McCain and Romney what happens with a less than enthusiastic Conservative voter base.

Trump is playing Rope a Dope with the Moon Bats with his "meaningful" approach to gun control. They know it but their ain't much they can do about it. Trump is smarter than they are.

Politics first, who cares about public safety.

The braidy bill was supposed to make the public safe. What happened?

First it only applied to handguns. Automatic rifles such an AK47 was excluded. Second, it only applied to federally license dealers. Sales between individuals and gun show sales were not included. So it you're a convicted felony or just out of the nut house you buy your guns from gun shows, individuals, or your neighborhood gun peddler selling out the trunk his car.

Nope. Any firearm bought from an FFL (a dealer) gets the yellow paper. ALL guns how dealers are typically FFL holders. You buy a fun at a fun show, you fill out a yellow paper period. Now, if your walking around and see a fellow attendee of the show who has an AK47 slung over his shoulder, sure, you can buy that there and not fill out a yellow paper. Now, you CAN NOT buy and automatic weapon. You CAN NOT buy a short baffled rifle (rifle with a barrel shorter then 16") you CAN NOT buy a shot gun with a barrel under 18" you CAN NOT buy a hand gun with a rifle stock attached to it without going through the whole class 3 process. I'm doing this now so I can buy a suppressor. There are all these laws that were passed after this mass shooting and that mass shooting and here we are after two more and again crying for a new law that will do nothing to stop the next mass shooting. It's dumb. A little hug go's ape shit and you want to surrender freedom. No Bueno.

 

[Brain357]

We need to stop selling all semi auto rifles capable of using large capacity magazines immediately.

Why don't you want law abiding citizens to be able to protect themselves from a bunch of murderous thugs?

Are you a gang member? Do you want to commit crimes without worrying if your victim has more fire power than you?

Law abiding aren't using large capacity magazines for defense. Most defenses are by criminals.
Gun owners are the ones arming so many gang bangers, not me.
Up to 600,000 guns are stolen every year in the US – that's one every minute

 

[2aguy]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

The right to bear arms also includes RESPONSIBILITY.

Any functional idiot can be quickly taught to fire a gun and hit a cardboard box - but there's much more to it than that if an armed citizen pulls a gun in a violent shootout like in El Paso. How are police supposed to know the difference between the armed citizen and the terrorist?

And yet as more people own and carry guns with little to no training......

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[Defiant1]

We need to stop selling all semi auto rifles capable of using large capacity magazines immediately.

Why don't you want law abiding citizens to be able to protect themselves from a bunch of murderous thugs?

Are you a gang member? Do you want to commit crimes without worrying if your victim has more fire power than you?

Law abiding aren't using large capacity magazines for defense. Most defenses are by criminals.
Gun owners are the ones arming so many gang bangers, not me.
Up to 600,000 guns are stolen every year in the US – that's one every minute

I do.

 

[Brain357]

[

The difficulty in balancing individual freedoms against protection of the individual is such a difficult problem that many nations turn to totalitarian measures. The US is still struggling to find that balance as we see with gun ownership and freedom of speech..

The founding founders were so afraid of democracy that they put almost no protections for individual freedoms in the constitution and added the Bill of Rights as an afterthought.

Only 3 countries in the world today protect the right to bear arms in their constitutions: the US, Mexico, and Guatemala. Both Mexico and Guatemala have now curtailed legal rights to own guns but fail to enforce those curtailments. Bolivia, Costa Rica, Colombia, Honduras, Nicaragua, an Liberia followed the US example but have have rescinded those rights as violence and instability rose. None of these countries have been successful and controlling the guns or gun violence.

It appears that once gun ownership and the resulting violence catches hold in a nation, removing it becomes almost impossible.

Tens of millions of Americans are law abiding gun owners.

Taking guns away from them will have little or no impact to the criminal elements.

Most of the gun crimes in the US is committed by inner city thugs, gang members, druggies and others that would no more adhere to a new gun law than the Man in the Moon.

I think the US passed that point many many years ago. The few countries that have been spared gun violence such as Japan have a long history of gun control. Guns were introduced in Japan in 1588 and gun control began in 1624. Today police do not usually carry guns. Gun related deaths in the US is 200 times greater than Japan.

The Yakuza used guns and grenades as recently as 2013.......they passed new laws giving a life sentence for using a gun in a crime and 10 years or more for being caught with an illegal gun...that is how they stopped gun crime......

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

---

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

And their homicide rates were a tiny fraction of ours that whole time. They have never been flooded with guns.

They had guns....but their criminals did not commit murder.....they are now committing murder....

They had much fewer guns than ours do obviously. And so much less murder.

 

[2aguy]

We need to stop selling all semi auto rifles capable of using large capacity magazines immediately.

Why don't you want law abiding citizens to be able to protect themselves from a bunch of murderous thugs?

Are you a gang member? Do you want to commit crimes without worrying if your victim has more fire power than you?

Law abiding aren't using large capacity magazines for defense. Most defenses are by criminals.
Gun owners are the ones arming so many gang bangers, not me.
Up to 600,000 guns are stolen every year in the US – that's one every minute

You don't punish people who are victims of crime......and yes, normal people need regular magazines for self defense....criminals will get them anyway.