Background checks and increase age to own a gun.

[NoVote]

Saving lives is the idea. We need to do what we can.

I am against that. With well ove 7 billion humans on the planet. saving every life is not a priority.

 

[Flopper]

Years of saying that ain’t saving nobody.

And making new laws doesn't seem to be saving anyone, either.

Well that’s because we haven’t. Actually laws were taken away.

Would the laws that were 'taken away' have played a direct role in stopping the shooter in El Paso or Dayton?

Yes. The assault weapons ban and magazine limits would have slowed them for certain. Dayton fired at least 41 shots in 30 seconds.

Yeah. Even with the proposed amount being restricted, getting multiple magazines is still easy to do. You can ban assault weapons but killers will get them on the black market. Until you can stop the flow of assault weapon in and out of the black market, no ban of any kind will be effective.

If you add the requirement of background checks for automatically rifles, purchases made from individuals and gun shows, then the price on black market would increase such that many of those with felony convictions or mental illness history would not be able to afford them.

 

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[TemplarKormac]

Yeah. Even with the proposed amount being restricted, getting multiple magazines is still easy to do. You can ban assault weapons but killers will get them on the black market. Until you can stop the flow of assault weapon in and out of the black market, no ban of any kind will be effective.

The shooter fired 41 times in 30 seconds. Had he needed to change magazines several times, fewer round would have been fired and lives saved.

The whole idea is to stop him from ever pulling the trigger, is it not?

Saving lives is the idea. We need to do what we can.

To the extent of which would be limiting magazine size and banning assault weapons. Whether I agree with you or not, banning assault weapons is Constitutionally problematic.

No more problematic than highly regulating machines guns. Scalia admitted the 2nd is limited.

Limited to what, exactly? Consider the time and era in which it was proposed and ratified. Assault weapons consisted of mainly muskets--which could fire one round at a time-- and of which at most could fire 5 rounds per minute given a skilled rifleman.

Surely the founders were intelligent and wise enough to foresee the advances in gun technology when they wrote the amendment.

 

[joaquinmiller]

Well that’s because we haven’t. Actually laws were taken away.

Would the laws that were 'taken away' have played a direct role in stopping the shooter in El Paso or Dayton?

Yes. The assault weapons ban and magazine limits would have slowed them for certain. Dayton fired at least 41 shots in 30 seconds.

Yeah. Even with the proposed amount being restricted, getting multiple magazines is still easy to do. You can ban assault weapons but killers will get them on the black market. Until you can stop the flow of assault weapon in and out of the black market, no ban of any kind will be effective.

The shooter fired 41 times in 30 seconds. Had he needed to change magazines several times, fewer round would have been fired and lives saved.

The whole idea is to stop him from ever pulling the trigger, is it not?

Falling short of that, it's to reduce his firepower. GI's fought a war with AR-15's (M16) and 20-round magazines. A Vietnam era pack would carry 14 mags, bug juice and peanut butter. That's 280 rounds. The Dayton guy had 250, and a 100 round magazine. It's insane for a civilian to pack that on the street.

 

[TemplarKormac]

And making new laws doesn't seem to be saving anyone, either.

Well that’s because we haven’t. Actually laws were taken away.

Would the laws that were 'taken away' have played a direct role in stopping the shooter in El Paso or Dayton?

Yes. The assault weapons ban and magazine limits would have slowed them for certain. Dayton fired at least 41 shots in 30 seconds.

Yeah. Even with the proposed amount being restricted, getting multiple magazines is still easy to do. You can ban assault weapons but killers will get them on the black market. Until you can stop the flow of assault weapon in and out of the black market, no ban of any kind will be effective.

If you add the requirement of background checks for automatically rifles, purchases made from individuals and gun shows, then price on black market would increase such that many of those with felony convictions or mental illness history would not be able to afford them.

Aren't there already background checks for automatic rifles?

 

[joaquinmiller]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

How many times has Trump said one thing just to turn around and cause leftist to flip out?

No one ever said Trump's word was his bond.

Yet he can make you leftist go unhinged

If that were the President's job, you'd be the happiest pumpkin in the patch.

Meantime, he can't, and shouldn't, be trusted.

Dude the president n matter what he does you leftist will go unhinged so yes it's his job to do that. control your kids and he might treat you like adults.

Gibberish.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Would the laws that were 'taken away' have played a direct role in stopping the shooter in El Paso or Dayton?

Yes. The assault weapons ban and magazine limits would have slowed them for certain. Dayton fired at least 41 shots in 30 seconds.

Yeah. Even with the proposed amount being restricted, getting multiple magazines is still easy to do. You can ban assault weapons but killers will get them on the black market. Until you can stop the flow of assault weapon in and out of the black market, no ban of any kind will be effective.

The shooter fired 41 times in 30 seconds. Had he needed to change magazines several times, fewer round would have been fired and lives saved.

The whole idea is to stop him from ever pulling the trigger, is it not?

Falling short of that, it's to reduce his firepower. GI's fought a war with AR-15's (M16) and 20-round magazines. A Vietnam era pack would carry 14 mags, bug juice and peanut butter. That's 280 rounds. The Dayton guy had 250, and a 100 round magazine. It's insane for a civilian to pack that on the street.

Limiting his firepower doesn't necessarily mean he won't kill as many people... less or more.

 

[thanatos144]

Sounds to me the president is talking out of his ass.

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[joaquinmiller]

Yes. The assault weapons ban and magazine limits would have slowed them for certain. Dayton fired at least 41 shots in 30 seconds.

Yeah. Even with the proposed amount being restricted, getting multiple magazines is still easy to do. You can ban assault weapons but killers will get them on the black market. Until you can stop the flow of assault weapon in and out of the black market, no ban of any kind will be effective.

The shooter fired 41 times in 30 seconds. Had he needed to change magazines several times, fewer round would have been fired and lives saved.

The whole idea is to stop him from ever pulling the trigger, is it not?

Falling short of that, it's to reduce his firepower. GI's fought a war with AR-15's (M16) and 20-round magazines. A Vietnam era pack would carry 14 mags, bug juice and peanut butter. That's 280 rounds. The Dayton guy had 250, and a 100 round magazine. It's insane for a civilian to pack that on the street.

Limiting his firepower doesn't necessarily mean he won't kill as many people... less or more.

I hear you. We can't do everything, so we should do nothing. You win.

 

[joaquinmiller]

Sounds to me the president is talking out of his ass.

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He excels in colonic breathing. He said he had "tremendous support" from Republicans for gun legislation. Think anyone believes that? It's hard to tell - Republicans are in hiding.

 

[Flopper]

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I think the US passed that point many many years ago. The few countries that have been spared gun violence such as Japan have a long history of gun control. Guns were introduced in Japan in 1588 and gun control began in 1624. Today police do not usually carry guns. Gun related deaths in the US is 200 times greater than Japan.

With great power comes great responsibility.

With Liberty comes the responsibility to act responsible. However, not everybody is going to do that. God found that out with Caine, didn't he?

I would much rather live in a country with Liberty and be slightly less safe than to live in a country that oppressed my Liberty.

Taking my firearms away prevents me from having the ability to protect my family and does absolutely nothing to affect the great majority of gun crime among the mostly inner city thugs, druggies, gang bangers, etc that commit the great majority of the crimes.

Well, I guess we need take the guns away from druggies and gang bangers but that would be taking away their right to bear arms.

All they have to do is enforce the laws that the druggies and gang bangers break. Of course if the Democrats that run the big city shitholes where most the gun crime takes place did that then they would have a riot on their hands.

There is not enough prisons to hold druggies. The JD just open the federal prison door to those with drug possession convictions. Most states can no longer send users to state penitentiaries. Being a member of a gang is not illegal. Cities just like the feds can't imprison without convictions of a crime.

 

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[Flash]

If Trump does something stupid with gun control he will lose a sizable portion of his base.

He is smart enough to know that.

He knows doing something stupid like a UBC or god forbid another silly AWB will not get any Moon Bats to vote for him but will lose Conservative voters in several of the swing states.

Is is not like us Conservative gun owners will vote for the Moon Bat candidate but we will be less enthusiastic. Just ask McCain and Romney what happens with a less than enthusiastic Conservative voter base.

Trump is playing Rope a Dope with the Moon Bats with his "meaningful" approach to gun control. They know it but their ain't much they can do about it. Trump is smarter than they are.

Politics first, who cares about public safety.

Ask the Democrats that control big city shiholes holes like Chicago and Baltimore where most of the gun crime in this country takes place if they give a shit about public safety. They don't.

They don't want to stop gun crime among the Democrat voting Negroes crminals in South Chicago. They want to take the guns away from the South Georgia farmer that never committed a crime because he votes Republican.

It has never been about public safety. With the Liberals is about taking guns away from White people that oppose the Liberal agenda to make this country a socialist shithole.

And our worst mass shooters are white people with guns for mass killing.

You are confused. For Whites to be 70% of the population they are significantly under represented in this line up, ain't they?

See the Vegas shooter. See the Newtown shooter, he massacred 1st graders and was really pasty.

See the dozens of Blacks and Browns in that chart. Whites are significantly under represented being almost 70% of the population.

You are really confused about this, aren't you? Must be the Trump Derangement Syndrome mental illness.

 

[Flopper]

The shooter fired 41 times in 30 seconds. Had he needed to change magazines several times, fewer round would have been fired and lives saved.

The whole idea is to stop him from ever pulling the trigger, is it not?

Saving lives is the idea. We need to do what we can.

To the extent of which would be limiting magazine size and banning assault weapons. Whether I agree with you or not, banning assault weapons is Constitutionally problematic.

No more problematic than highly regulating machines guns. Scalia admitted the 2nd is limited.

Limited to what, exactly? Consider the time and era in which it was proposed and ratified. Assault weapons consisted of mainly muskets--which could fire one round at a time-- and of which at most could fire 5 rounds per minute given a skilled rifleman.

Surely the founders were intelligent and wise enough to foresee the advances in gun technology when they wrote the amendment.

No sure about that. Most people were killed by knifes not guns. Guns, that is muskets were most effective when fired in volleys. The cost of a musket was also pretty expensive, about $700 to $1200 in today's dollars. And lastly, technology in those days moved at a snails pace compared to today.

I rather doubt that the founders would have foreseen that the day would come when a single person with a gun could kill a hundred people in minutes when a person with a musket in those days might fire a dozen times and hit nothing. Nor would they think that in a matter of minutes an explosive device could kill a million people in a matter of seconds.

Times change as should our laws.

 

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[bigrebnc1775]

How many times has Trump said one thing just to turn around and cause leftist to flip out?

No one ever said Trump's word was his bond.

Yet he can make you leftist go unhinged

If that were the President's job, you'd be the happiest pumpkin in the patch.

Meantime, he can't, and shouldn't, be trusted.

Dude the president n matter what he does you leftist will go unhinged so yes it's his job to do that. control your kids and he might treat you like adults.

Gibberish.

of course, you think it is control your leftist children

 

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[joaquinmiller]

No one ever said Trump's word was his bond.

Yet he can make you leftist go unhinged

If that were the President's job, you'd be the happiest pumpkin in the patch.

Meantime, he can't, and shouldn't, be trusted.

Dude the president n matter what he does you leftist will go unhinged so yes it's his job to do that. control your kids and he might treat you like adults.

Gibberish.

of course, you think it is control your leftist children

More gibberish. I taught my children how to shoot when they were teenagers. They're good mature citizens now. You're just saying stupid shit. Post when you don't have to invent stuff about other posters.