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Just "kicking ass" won't solve this problem, what are you 11 years old?
It's off topic. The topic is the Baltimore riot of Monday April 27, 2015, and they mayor's foolish policy of police stand-down.OFF TOPIC!Here is the "kick ass" approach in all its glory
Orangeburg Massacre stirs debate 44 years later USATODAY.com
...a demonstration against a segregated bowling alley that ended with 30 unarmed black students shot by white police, three of them fatally. Sellers was wounded in the armpit.
It was the most brutal response yet to student protests that would change the nation, yet for decades it got little attention. Now, scholars and people like Sellers with first-hand accounts are changing that.
Today, academics, students and others meet in South Carolina for a three-day conference at the College of Charleston. They'll discuss the black power movement and the legacy of the Orangeburg Massacre. Sellers is one of the speakers.
The conference comes after a 2002 book,The Orangeburg Massacre, by journalists Jack Bass and Jack Nelson, and a 2010 documentary,Scarred Justice: The Orangeburg Massacre 1968.
Not off topic at all. He is showing solid evidence from previous protests and the police activity involved.
It's not what I think. It's what I KNOW, from experience. The mayor's stand down policy is what escalated the rioting. Once the rioters saw they were not going to be stopped, or even interfered with, they went ahead and did all they felt like doing. To them it was a party, with little or no reference to Freddie Gray, or anything ideological. Just a bunch of young, wild dogs sowing their wild oats, with no opposition.Just "kicking ass" won't solve this problem, what are you 11 years old?
No, he is way older than 11. He just has some issues. He thinks violent reactions by the gov't will solve problems better than any other tactic. It is a common theme in his threads. That and yelling "OFF TOPIC!". lol
1. I didn't mention the Watts riots, and the destruction of it occured BEFORE the cops and Guard got involved.ALL of them. None of them had arson, looting, assault & battery, like the Baltimore riot monday night. That what is defined as "well".And which one of those events showed that police and national guard charging into a riot and cracking heads worked out well?
What???
The Watts riots make the Baltimore riots look like a garden party. There were more fires and looting.
The Harlem riots in 1964 involved plenty of fires and looting. So did many other riots.
Your claims to the contrary are either proof you weren't there or outright lies. You pick which one.
2. I was there at the Harlem riot in 1964. We (National Guard) were there with fixed bayonets, and we disbursed the street crowds, and gave the police the time and ability to go after the roofttop rock throwers and arrest them. You're not going to lecture me on Harlem in 1964.
It's off topic. The topic is the Baltimore riot of Monday April 27, 2015, and they mayor's foolish policy of police stand-down.OFF TOPIC!Here is the "kick ass" approach in all its glory
Orangeburg Massacre stirs debate 44 years later USATODAY.com
...a demonstration against a segregated bowling alley that ended with 30 unarmed black students shot by white police, three of them fatally. Sellers was wounded in the armpit.
It was the most brutal response yet to student protests that would change the nation, yet for decades it got little attention. Now, scholars and people like Sellers with first-hand accounts are changing that.
Today, academics, students and others meet in South Carolina for a three-day conference at the College of Charleston. They'll discuss the black power movement and the legacy of the Orangeburg Massacre. Sellers is one of the speakers.
The conference comes after a 2002 book,The Orangeburg Massacre, by journalists Jack Bass and Jack Nelson, and a 2010 documentary,Scarred Justice: The Orangeburg Massacre 1968.
Not off topic at all. He is showing solid evidence from previous protests and the police activity involved.
It's off topic. The topic is the Baltimore riot of Monday April 27, 2015, and they mayor's foolish policy of police stand-down.
YOU are who is ignoring history and the facts, probably because you weren't at these riots, and know little about them.Yeah, the Kent State events were certainly well managed.
And the police action and National Guard actions were so effective in the Watts riots, weren't they?
Once it devolves to rioting, attacking the rioters is just going to escalate the problems.
In both of those cases, the riots, looting, burning, (and the beating of random motorists through the area in the case of Watts) had begun BEFORE the police were called in. Are you really trying to argue that if the police and national guard had NOT gone in the rioting, looting, burning, and random beating of innocents wouldn't have happened "as much" or something?
What is the purpose of the police force if I might ask?
I made no such claim. But the riots lasted 6 days. Police were there the whole time, and the national guard were there most of it.
I am making no claims that it would have been less if the cops had not been there. But sending in force and "kicking ass" has obviously not worked in large riots in the past. To think that is the only answer is to ignore history and the facts.
Are we really saying that if rioters start looting, burning, and beating random people the police are supposed to "give them room" and let them do whatever they want until they're done destroying other peoples lives?
That is not acceptable, sorry. I pay not only for police to arrest the criminal elements of our society, but to protect me/my interests, and maintain some semblance of order in the streets that /I/ might happen to be driving on. Of course, my part of that is that I'm not going to go to an area of town that's being rioting on purpose, of course if it erupts around my fucking house damn straight I expect the police to come get them away from my home.
To argue that because police show up the shit hit the fan, when in reality the shit hit the fan, which is why the police came in is just... stupid, sorry.
I've already reported him for his numerous derails going off topic. I'll let the mods decide it, although they tend to be rather ineffective in this forum (as he probably well knows)It's off topic. The topic is the Baltimore riot of Monday April 27, 2015, and they mayor's foolish policy of police stand-down.OFF TOPIC!Here is the "kick ass" approach in all its glory
Orangeburg Massacre stirs debate 44 years later USATODAY.com
...a demonstration against a segregated bowling alley that ended with 30 unarmed black students shot by white police, three of them fatally. Sellers was wounded in the armpit.
It was the most brutal response yet to student protests that would change the nation, yet for decades it got little attention. Now, scholars and people like Sellers with first-hand accounts are changing that.
Today, academics, students and others meet in South Carolina for a three-day conference at the College of Charleston. They'll discuss the black power movement and the legacy of the Orangeburg Massacre. Sellers is one of the speakers.
The conference comes after a 2002 book,The Orangeburg Massacre, by journalists Jack Bass and Jack Nelson, and a 2010 documentary,Scarred Justice: The Orangeburg Massacre 1968.
Not off topic at all. He is showing solid evidence from previous protests and the police activity involved.
And showing the ineffectiveness of such tactics, by reminding people of prior events is certainly ON TOPIC!
YOU are who is ignoring history and the facts, probably because you weren't at these riots, and know little about them.Yeah, the Kent State events were certainly well managed.
And the police action and National Guard actions were so effective in the Watts riots, weren't they?
Once it devolves to rioting, attacking the rioters is just going to escalate the problems.
In both of those cases, the riots, looting, burning, (and the beating of random motorists through the area in the case of Watts) had begun BEFORE the police were called in. Are you really trying to argue that if the police and national guard had NOT gone in the rioting, looting, burning, and random beating of innocents wouldn't have happened "as much" or something?
What is the purpose of the police force if I might ask?
I made no such claim. But the riots lasted 6 days. Police were there the whole time, and the national guard were there most of it.
I am making no claims that it would have been less if the cops had not been there. But sending in force and "kicking ass" has obviously not worked in large riots in the past. To think that is the only answer is to ignore history and the facts.
I've already reported him for his numerous derails going off topic. I'll let the mods decide it, although they tend to be rather ineffective in this forum (as he probably well knows)It's off topic. The topic is the Baltimore riot of Monday April 27, 2015, and they mayor's foolish policy of police stand-down.OFF TOPIC!Here is the "kick ass" approach in all its glory
Orangeburg Massacre stirs debate 44 years later USATODAY.com
...a demonstration against a segregated bowling alley that ended with 30 unarmed black students shot by white police, three of them fatally. Sellers was wounded in the armpit.
It was the most brutal response yet to student protests that would change the nation, yet for decades it got little attention. Now, scholars and people like Sellers with first-hand accounts are changing that.
Today, academics, students and others meet in South Carolina for a three-day conference at the College of Charleston. They'll discuss the black power movement and the legacy of the Orangeburg Massacre. Sellers is one of the speakers.
The conference comes after a 2002 book,The Orangeburg Massacre, by journalists Jack Bass and Jack Nelson, and a 2010 documentary,Scarred Justice: The Orangeburg Massacre 1968.
Not off topic at all. He is showing solid evidence from previous protests and the police activity involved.
And showing the ineffectiveness of such tactics, by reminding people of prior events is certainly ON TOPIC!
I've already reported him for his numerous derails going off topic. I'll let the mods decide it, although they tend to be rather ineffective in this forum (as he probably well knows)
Doesn't mean that at all. If anyone is so clueless as to agree with the mayor's Monday night methodology (which even she has now renounced, & changed on Tuesday), they are free to express their foolishness as much as they like.It's off topic. The topic is the Baltimore riot of Monday April 27, 2015, and they mayor's foolish policy of police stand-down.
The way you narrow the focus essentially means this thread is ONLY for those who agree that someone's ass [you do not say whose] should get kicked by the Police...
Baltimore Cops Should Have Kicked Ass!for those who agree only
the situation is complex and is not amenable to simplistic "kick ass " approaches favored by the right when dealing with Black folks...that is whose ass you are calling for to be kicked...Doesn't mean that at all. If anyone is so clueless as to agree with the mayor's Monday night methodology (which even she has now renounced, & changed on Tuesday), they are free to express their foolishness as much as they like.It's off topic. The topic is the Baltimore riot of Monday April 27, 2015, and they mayor's foolish policy of police stand-down.
The way you narrow the focus essentially means this thread is ONLY for those who agree that someone's ass [you do not say whose] should get kicked by the Police...
Baltimore Cops Should Have Kicked Ass!for those who agree only
HA HA. You have a habit of pretending things. Same old WB. Lots of people have complained about the lack of moderation in USMB. It's well known for that, and I suspect you know it full well.I've already reported him for his numerous derails going off topic. I'll let the mods decide it, although they tend to be rather ineffective in this forum (as he probably well knows)It's off topic. The topic is the Baltimore riot of Monday April 27, 2015, and they mayor's foolish policy of police stand-down.OFF TOPIC!
Not off topic at all. He is showing solid evidence from previous protests and the police activity involved.
And showing the ineffectiveness of such tactics, by reminding people of prior events is certainly ON TOPIC!
Including discussion of tactics used in other riots is perfectly logical and on topic. Maybe the reason the mods ignore you is because you are full of shit, and are only whining because you are getting slapped around.
the situation is complex and is not amenable to simplistic "kick ass " approaches favored by the right when dealing with Black folks...that is whose ass you are calling for to be kicked...
Doesn't mean that at all. If anyone is so clueless as to agree with the mayor's Monday night methodology (which even she has now renounced, & changed on Tuesday), they are free to express their foolishness as much as they like.It's off topic. The topic is the Baltimore riot of Monday April 27, 2015, and they mayor's foolish policy of police stand-down.
The way you narrow the focus essentially means this thread is ONLY for those who agree that someone's ass [you do not say whose] should get kicked by the Police...
Baltimore Cops Should Have Kicked Ass!for those who agree only
