Belief in a God, the existence of a higher power, and the concept of an afterlife. Science or Religion?

[Procrustes Stretched]

An easy thing to say.

But a scientist plucked from the year 1880 would not look at a jet airplane or an iphone and think it was supernatural in origin. They would just think they have a lot to learn about it.

If they were extremely ignorant and religious -- they just may. So your premise is ridiculously false.

 

[Robert W]

No, that doesn't follow, sorry.

You do not know. Say it.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If they were extremely ignorant and religious -- they just may. So your premise is ridiculously false.

A scientist would not be either of those things when conducting inquiry, else they would be a failed scientist. Sorry, they don't count.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You do not know. Say it.

Actually, I just don't care about your irrelevant whining and thread hijacking attempt.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The net energy was zero. No energy input. Result was net zero energy between the particles. That's kind of the entire point.

B-I-N-G-O!

 

[alang1216]

Like KneeJerk (formerly known as BackAgain), you haven't read the OP, or you have and struggle with reading and comprehension.

"We now have scientists claiming they've created matter from nothing in a groundbreaking experiment. If they have, their claims can be proven by successfully repeating any experiment."

It takes energy to create fields. From the OP link:

in early 2022, a group of researchers created strong enough electric fields in their laboratory to level the unique properties of a material known as graphene.​

With these fields, the researchers were able to enable the spontaneous creation of particle-antiparticle pairs from nothing at all.​

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It takes energy to create fields. From the OP link:

in early 2022, a group of researchers created strong enough electric fields in their laboratory to level the unique properties of a material known as graphene.​

With these fields, the researchers were able to enable the spontaneous creation of particle-antiparticle pairs from nothing at all.​

But no energy to create the spontaneous generation of the paticle/antiparticle pairs, which occurs all the time in empty space.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I struggled with where, what forum (Science or Religion and Ethics), to put this: "Belief in a God, the existence of a higher power, and the concept of an afterlife. Science or Religion?"

Here we are...

Somebody said "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist."(1)

I believe some people unknowingly, and some people purposefully conflate spontaneous creation with spontaneous generation, which takes any discussion of scientific theories into debating religion as somehow being just another scientific theory. There exits no science behind claims religions make for why we and the universe exists.


We now have scientists claiming they've created matter from nothing in a groundbreaking experiment. If they have, their claims can be proven by successfully repeating any experiment.

Scientists create matter from nothing in groundbreaking experiment

Scientists have managed to create matter out of nothing, a quantum physics feat previously thought impossible.

bgr.com

70-year-old quantum prediction comes true, as something is created from nothing

In our common experience, you can't get something for nothing. In the quantum realm, something really can emerge from nothing.

bigthink.com

1: Stephen Hawking

The article leaves a lot of questions unanswered.

 

[alang1216]

But no energy to create the spontaneous generation of the paticle/antiparticle pairs, which occurs all the time in empty space.

Are you talking about virtual particles?

 

[HikerGuy83]

We now have scientists claiming they've created matter from nothing in a groundbreaking experiment. If they have, their claims can be proven by successfully repeating any experiment.

Do you argue with that?

We'd need to know just what they are claiming to have accomplished.

How do they know they had "nothing".

I suspect there are many forms and existences of which we are unaware.

The concept of Dark Energy (of which I know little) has only recently emerged.

 

[HikerGuy83]

But no energy to create the spontaneous generation of the paticle/antiparticle pairs, which occurs all the time in empty space.

No energy as you know it.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Are you talking about virtual particles?

Often a distinction without a difference. But no, I am not.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No energy as you know it.

So, energy we can't measure. Uh huh. Okay.

Why call it energy at all? Call it Bigfoot, or a miracle. Call it Jebus.

 

[BackAgain]

Yeah, and long ago some dead Hebrew guy got up and walked out his tomb.

thank you

Humans are the center of the universe, so the Sun revolves around us.

You are the pantload of non sequiturs.

 

[BackAgain]

luv u 2

Sit. Stay. Play dead.

 

[HikerGuy83]

So, energy we can't measure. Uh huh. Okay.

Why call it energy at all? Call it Bigfoot, or a miracle. Call it Jebus.

Yes, things might not know about.

Dark Matter & Dark Energy

Overview Everything scientists can observe in the universe, from people to planets, is made of matter. Matter is defined as any substance that has mass and occupies space. But there’s more to the universe than the matter we can see. Dark matter and dark energy are mysterious substances that...

science.nasa.gov

This concept has only recently emerged from forgotten shelves.

Please try to make yourself look smart when it is clear you are not.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Maybe the Diety we refer to as God just happens to know a little more about physics than we do.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The article leaves a lot of questions unanswered.

Most things do. The article was not written with the purpose of answering questions. The article is reporting news.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Most things do. The article was not written with the purpose of answering questions. The article is reporting news.

Gee, was there an article on voodoo in the same publication ?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Maybe the Diety we refer to as God just happens to know a little more about physics than we do.

Many people do not refer to a diety anymore, or to any god. Many now claim to believe in something greater -- out there (whatever that is supposed to men), and other superstitious beliefs.