Ben Carson did research on 17 week fetal tissue

[2aguy]

So....(wading thru all the bullshit)...Carson wants to defund planned parenthood due to the unethical usage or selling of aborted fetuses yet was the recipient of one of those dead fetuses so he could do tests and shit...which makes him a HUGE hypocrite. Amirite?

Not until we find out if the baby came from abortion, or a still birth.......big difference....

Not really. Dead is dead. What do you propose they do with aborted fetuses? Just flush 'em?

Bury them with dignity they didn't receive when they were alive....

ok

You agree?

 

[jon_berzerk]

Fetal tissue cured polio.

false

 

[Gracie]

So....(wading thru all the bullshit)...Carson wants to defund planned parenthood due to the unethical usage or selling of aborted fetuses yet was the recipient of one of those dead fetuses so he could do tests and shit...which makes him a HUGE hypocrite. Amirite?

Not until we find out if the baby came from abortion, or a still birth.......big difference....

Not really. Dead is dead. What do you propose they do with aborted fetuses? Just flush 'em?

Bury them with dignity they didn't receive when they were alive....

ok

You agree?

Yup.

 

[Lakhota]

Fetal tissue cured polio.

false

Prove it's false.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Fetal tissue cured polio.

link.

Are you really that dumb? Why do you stupid fucking anti-choice NaziCons just keep lying your asses off about things you seem to know very little about?

One of the earliest advances with fetal tissue was to use fetal kidney cells to create the first poliovirus vaccines, which are now estimated to save 550,000 lives worldwide every year.

How exactly fetal tissue is used for medicine - CNN.com

Let's Remember Why Fetal Tissue Research Matters - Michele Goodwin

NaziCons

what

wrong party pal

the nazis are the pro abortion folk

the nazis actually coined the term " freedom of choice"

 

[2aguy]

Not until we find out if the baby came from abortion, or a still birth.......big difference....

Not really. Dead is dead. What do you propose they do with aborted fetuses? Just flush 'em?

Bury them with dignity they didn't receive when they were alive....

ok

You agree?

Yup.

Good. I think while we are allowing murder to take place a charge should be added that takes care of the burial of the remains of the child. We could create protected land and use it as a cemetery.

 

[Lakhota]

Fetal tissue cured polio.

link.

Are you really that dumb? Why do you stupid fucking anti-choice NaziCons just keep lying your asses off about things you seem to know very little about?

One of the earliest advances with fetal tissue was to use fetal kidney cells to create the first poliovirus vaccines, which are now estimated to save 550,000 lives worldwide every year.

How exactly fetal tissue is used for medicine - CNN.com

Let's Remember Why Fetal Tissue Research Matters - Michele Goodwin

NaziCons

what

wrong party pal

the nazis are the pro abortion folk

the nazis actually coined the term " freedom of choice"

Damn, you need some education.

If Republicans Don't Want to be Compared to Nazis, They Should Stop Acting Like Nazis

 

[jon_berzerk]

Fetal tissue cured polio.

false

Prove it's false.

he used HeLa cells

honestly if you dont know how he found the cure

take the time to learn about it

 

[jon_berzerk]

Fetal tissue cured polio.

link.

Are you really that dumb? Why do you stupid fucking anti-choice NaziCons just keep lying your asses off about things you seem to know very little about?

One of the earliest advances with fetal tissue was to use fetal kidney cells to create the first poliovirus vaccines, which are now estimated to save 550,000 lives worldwide every year.

How exactly fetal tissue is used for medicine - CNN.com

Let's Remember Why Fetal Tissue Research Matters - Michele Goodwin

NaziCons

what

wrong party pal

the nazis are the pro abortion folk

the nazis actually coined the term " freedom of choice"

Damn, you need some education.

If Republicans Don't Want to be Compared to Nazis, They Should Stop Acting Like Nazis

"They may use contraceptives or practice abortion--the more the better. In view of the large families of the native population, it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible. Active trade in contraceptives ought to be actually encouraged in the Eastern territories, as we could not possibly have the slightest interest in increasing the non-Germanic population."-Adolf Hitler

 

[Lakhota]

Fetal tissue cured polio.

false

Prove it's false.

he used HeLa cells

honestly if you dont know how he found the cure

take the time to learn about it

 

[jon_berzerk]

Fetal tissue cured polio.

false

Prove it's false.

he used HeLa cells

honestly if you dont know how he found the cure

take the time to learn about it

yes i understand it is beyond your abilities

 

[aris2chat]

If tissue, any tissue, was about to be thrown out, but research said wait, we can use that to save lives.........

Why is that objectionable if the tissue is donated?

Is it just the idea of it not yet being human? It is rejected tissue. If the donor does not care what happens, why should you, it's not your tissue?

No, the issue was the tissue a viable human being who was murdered for convenience....that is the issue.

You have the problem with the right of the woman decide or needs an abortion? Or the donation of the tissue?
The courts said she has the right to choose, not you, not the man down the street.

It is not a viable life till after birth. Without extraordinary means premies could not survive on their own, they need artificial help and often that is not enough.

You have no legal or moral right to interfere in the woman's life, nor in her decision to donate the tissue that comes from her body. Do you have a say in what happens to her menses or miscarriage? It could be considered potential life as well. You expect her to stuff it back in and somehow, plug it back to her blood supply?

Thank goodness you don't control my body, nor that of anyone else that is an adult.

Keep your concerns to just your body, unless you want others telling you what to do and what medical treatment you should have a right to access.

Next time you get a medicine or treatment, you can refuse on the basis that almost everything is based on animal or human tissue research. Even herbal meds have to go through human testing. Somewhere back in time alternative medicine relied on human trial and error, experimentation. If you just watch the animal life, they can eat plants that to humans would be poison, but till you see someone eat and die you might have been the one reaching for that plant.

Knowledge is based on testing to prove an idea/theory. Now with a baseline, 'some' can be done with computers, but eventually it still has to be tested in the real world. Di Vinci's flying machines look great on paper, but till they were built and tested, no one would know they did not function correctly. Close, but not quite.

Children learn by putting things in their mouths. If we did not let them experiment and experience their surroundings they could not develop into a functioning person capable of making decisions. Everything in life is human experimentation and research.

 

[aris2chat]

Fetal tissue cured polio.

false

Vaccines Abortion Fetal Tissue

 

[ScienceRocks]

science rules1!! We're above the goat fuckers in the middle east because of it. If you don't want to be equaled to them...well, I'd stop with the anti-science attitude.

 

[aris2chat]

Fetal tissue cured polio.

false

Vaccines Abortion Fetal Tissue

Not just human but animal fetuses as well..........and the animals have less choice than the woman.
Women are not given abortions for the tissue any more, but the tissue resulting of the abortion can be donated instead of disposed of as waste.

Even with the advances in birth control, sometimes it fails. Even with the advances in medicine, sometimes the fetus is a treat to the woman or will die during treatment to save her life. There are many reasons for the need if an abortion. Each woman has the right and the responsibility to make the choice for what is best for her.

Cancer or organ failure are major reasons for abortion, including late term. They might well have wanted children but if she is to stay alive, it is not possible for have both.

There are cases of rape as well that might not go reported till the woman/girl finds out she is pregnant.

The reason for the abortion is not your concern, nor what happens to the tissue from the abortion.

.......and no it is not used as an additive in foods for taste or color by major food companies. That lie has been floated on the disinformation internet as well. Why people would believe such a think shows their gullibility to believe anything.

 

[martybegan]

So basically cops should not do undercover stings, and no journalist should do undercover exposes? And again, the videos make the accusations, and to me they appear to have some merit. Its the PP people's OWN WORDS being used against them.

And all PP and your side does is attack the packaging, and not the contents.

The purpose of a cop sting is to gather evidence. The purpose of that PP video is to manufacture an opinion not backed by any proof of anything.

So again, you are 100% against investigative journalism? Even when used to expose things you WANT exposed? So that 47% leak of Romney was wrong then, right?

The Video recorded people using their own words, thinking they were dealing with people wanting to get their hands on fetal tissue. Money was discussed, procedure was discussed, and in one video, consent or lack thereof was discussed. It's all there on video.

The Romney video was nothing more than recording what Romney said. The PP video was manipulating the conversation to make it sound a specific way. No where near the same.

The mental exercises you are trying to do to somehow not have to consider and counter what is in the videos is almost comical. These Videos also did nothing but record what the PP people were saying, and by the way they responded, it seems they have heard these questions before. That they were misled does not discredit in any way what they said. The people were pretending to be people interested in tissue samples. by the way the conversations went, this seems to be something that has happened before.

I'm sure tissue samples have been discussed many times before. Exactly which part showed non adherence to any law?

Three questions so far:

1. Did the money made from the tissue exceed the cost of procuring it?
2. Did any PP doctor change their procedure to make getting said tissue easier/get more intact samples?
3. Was some tissue procured without the consent of the patient?

 

[martybegan]

Based on all the crazy threads we get here @ USMB that are based on ideological opinionated talking points, it must be acceptable to use everything and anything to form an opinion.
Opinions are facts to some people no matter how the opinion is derived. It's quite clear that an opinionated video out weighs actual investigations by unbiased resources (2 States and fact check.org).
Amazing, simply amazing.

The video is only making the accusation in a very dishonest way. It presents no proof of any wrong doing, other than the dishonesty of the film maker. You have yet to show any proof of anything. Just a continuous stream of wild accusations. There is a very long list of laws as well as an even longer list of ethical rules concerning the respectful treatment of cadavers. The list of things you know nothing about, yet comment on anyway is getting bigger.
Implying something is other than it actually is, is dishonorable.

So basically cops should not do undercover stings, and no journalist should do undercover exposes? And again, the videos make the accusations, and to me they appear to have some merit. Its the PP people's OWN WORDS being used against them.

And all PP and your side does is attack the packaging, and not the contents.

The purpose of a cop sting is to gather evidence. The purpose of that PP video is to manufacture an opinion not backed by any proof of anything.

So again, you are 100% against investigative journalism? Even when used to expose things you WANT exposed? So that 47% leak of Romney was wrong then, right?

The Video recorded people using their own words, thinking they were dealing with people wanting to get their hands on fetal tissue. Money was discussed, procedure was discussed, and in one video, consent or lack thereof was discussed. It's all there on video.

The Romney video was nothing more than recording what Romney said. The PP video was manipulating the conversation to make it sound a specific way. No where near the same.

Again, attacking the source and not the questions being raised.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Fetal tissue cured polio.

false

Vaccines Abortion Fetal Tissue

yeah what the fuck was that link supposed to prove

it surely was not used in the cure of polio

HeLa cells which came from cancer cells

is what Jonas Salk used to say otherwise is an outright lie

 

[jon_berzerk]

Fetal tissue cured polio.

false

Vaccines Abortion Fetal Tissue

Not just human but animal fetuses as well..........and the animals have less choice than the woman.
Women are not given abortions for the tissue any more, but the tissue resulting of the abortion can be donated instead of disposed of as waste.

Even with the advances in birth control, sometimes it fails. Even with the advances in medicine, sometimes the fetus is a treat to the woman or will die during treatment to save her life. There are many reasons for the need if an abortion. Each woman has the right and the responsibility to make the choice for what is best for her.

Cancer or organ failure are major reasons for abortion, including late term. They might well have wanted children but if she is to stay alive, it is not possible for have both.

There are cases of rape as well that might not go reported till the woman/girl finds out she is pregnant.

The reason for the abortion is not your concern, nor what happens to the tissue from the abortion.

.......and no it is not used as an additive in foods for taste or color by major food companies. That lie has been floated on the disinformation internet as well. Why people would believe such a think shows their gullibility to believe anything.

the illegal sale of fetal certainly is my concern

 

[jknowgood]

Let's see 25 years ago Carson was a doctor trying to save lives.
Obama was snorting cocaine and smoking pot.