Ben Carson refers to slaves as "immigrants"

[paperview]

They were kidnapped persons held as slaves and treated as immigrants when the period of slavery was over.

Indentured servants came as indentured persons and treated as immigrants once the indenture was over.

How would they be treated as "immigrants" when the period of slavery was over when those alive in 1865 had, for the most part, been born here......actually bred.....here?

Yep, out of the near 4 million slaves by the time of the civil war, only a teeny, tiny fraction were actually imported here.

In fact, the total number imported into the US was a couple hundred thousand, at best.

 

[Correll]

You would think that the term "immigrant" would infer a person acting on their own, without coercion.

But no. Now that words really no longer mean anything, "immigrant" can be pretty much anything.

Holy crap, this just continues to get worse.
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You are the one struggling with the real meaning of this word.



Definition of immigrant

1. : one that immigrates: such asa : a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence
   

Ben Carson was NOT trying to downplay slavery.

His point, whatever it was, was something else, and that has been buried by manufactured outrage.

 

[theHawk]

After the slaves were freed by the good will of white men, they were free to go back to Africa. Instead they chose to remain in America. Sounds like they liked being brought to America.

The stupidity of a Trump supporter. ^

You find the truth "stupid"?

 

[Correll]

Okay, they're immigrants, I'm with ya.
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From the op.

"There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less. "


This is not Ben Carson defending or denying slavery.

This is the Left trying to marginalize a conservative Black in Trump's administration.

I think that, over the last few days, both Carson and Trump have said/tweeted something stupid, and rather than just admit it, partisan Republicans have jumped in to defend them; that words mean virtually nothing any more, that political partisanship has so polluted and distorted communication that communication may no longer even be possible.

Or, I've completely lost my fucking mind.

I'll go either way on this, I really don't care.
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You are just fine Mac.

You are one of the most honest, fair people on these boards. Do not let anyone get to you.
Love the Big Lebowsky.

That's true. Probably second only to me.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

I dont see anyone criticizing him for his skin color. I just said he was a uncle tom.

Which is an insult specific to skin color. C'mon.

Racists come in all colors and so do "uncle tom's".

It would be a horrifying thing for anyone to say, black, white or purple.

Bottom line is that he's completely out of touch with the real world.

I don't get the outrage over this. I can clearly see what he was trying to say.

Are you also of the school of thought that Africans kidnapped and brought here against their will had it good compared to those who never left Africa?

lol, lefties, asking loaded questions they never answer, here have one for yourself...do you wish this had never happened? if you could go back and prevent it would you? btw, who kidnapped them?

 

[paperview]

You would think that the term "immigrant" would infer a person acting on their own, without coercion.

But no. Now that words really no longer mean anything, "immigrant" can be pretty much anything.

Holy crap, this just continues to get worse.
.

You are the one struggling with the real meaning of this word.



Definition of immigrant

1. : one that immigrates: such asa : a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence

Ben Carson was NOT trying to downplay slavery.

His point, whatever it was, was something else, and that has been buried by manufactured outrage.

How did I Founders define them? As immigrants or imports?

 

[Correll]

You would think that the term "immigrant" would infer a person acting on their own, without coercion.

But no. Now that words really no longer mean anything, "immigrant" can be pretty much anything.

Holy crap, this just continues to get worse.
.

You are the one struggling with the real meaning of this word.



Definition of immigrant

1. : one that immigrates: such asa : a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence

Ben Carson was NOT trying to downplay slavery.

His point, whatever it was, was something else, and that has been buried by manufactured outrage.

How did I Founders define them? As immigrants or imports?

DOn't know. Don't care. The Founders views doesn't change the reality of the situation, ie the slaves were brought here to live permanently.

 

[bodecea]

They were not coming to live permanently, they would have wanted to return home.

Desire has zero to do with the definition of immigration.
You lefties keep proving you lack basic education.

To repeat.

The were property. IMPORTED, as goods, Read the Constitution. They delineated immigrants from imported "such persons" (such persons = slaves) - or them discussing such persons..

The Notes of Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787
by James Madison.

: Genl. PINKNEY moved to strike out the words "the year eighteen hundred" as the year limiting the importation of slaves, and to insert the words "the year eighteen hundred and eight"


Mr. GHORUM 2ded. the motion


Mr. MADISON. Twenty years will produce all the mischief that can be apprehended from the liberty to import slaves. So long a term will be more dishonorable to the National character than to say nothing about it in the Constitution.

Like I said, Soviets forced millions to relocate by force.
They were still immigrants to their new homes.

That has nothing to do with my comment.

How did our founders define them? I just showed you.

As IMPORTED goods. Not immigrants.

The two terms are NOT contradictory.

Of course they are......but not to a trumpsplainer......

 

[sealybobo]

is ben carson really black? (i, like colbert, don't see race)

Samuel L. Jackson, NAACP Criticize Ben Carson for Deeming Slaves as "Immigrants"

Ben Carson is a house n*#&ga. Want proof?

What do you think that shows?

Him being their butler. LOL

He knows who goes first and who goes last. Just like southerners brag that their blacks aren't as angry as northern blacks. Sure they are. They're just afraid.

 

[bodecea]

You would think that the term "immigrant" would infer a person acting on their own, without coercion.

But no. Now that words really no longer mean anything, "immigrant" can be pretty much anything.

Holy crap, this just continues to get worse.
.

From wikipedia.

Forced displacement - Wikipedia


"Forced displacement or forced migration is the coerced movement of a person or persons away from their home or home region and it often connotes violent coercion. "


"

• Slavery: History's greatest forced migration was the Middle Passage of the Atlantic slave trade during the 15th through the 19th centuries. Of the 20 million Africans captured for the trade, half died in their forced march to the African coast, and another ten to twenty percent died on slave ships carrying them from Africa to the Americas.[11]"

Forced immigrants were always a part of the word Immigrant.


YOu are being played.

Okay, they're immigrants, I'm with ya.
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From the op.

"There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less. "


This is not Ben Carson defending or denying slavery.

This is the Left trying to marginalize a conservative Black in Trump's administration.

I think that, over the last few days, both Carson and Trump have said/tweeted something stupid, and rather than just admit it, partisan Republicans have jumped in to defend them; that words mean virtually nothing any more, that political partisanship has so polluted and distorted communication that communication may no longer even be possible.

Or, I've completely lost my fucking mind.

I'll go either way on this, I really don't care.
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Just in the past few day?

It started with Drumpf attacking POWs and went on from there.......all it took was about 24 hours before all the trumpsplaining would begin.

 

[bodecea]

Carson is a fuckin idiot and completely removed from his linage and brains

Why don't you guys look at what he actually was saying instead of mincing someones words? Could he have used a better definition? I guess so, because there are people looking for any reason to skew someone else over race, no matter what their intentions were.

Calling Blacks that were enslaved "immigrants" is about as idiotic a statement you can make. One so idiotic you would think only a white person would say it. Carson is a Black person saying it which creates a new paradigm of idiocy..

Poor baby. Words making you cry again.
Soviets relocated millions by force. Doesn't mean they were not immigrants to their new homes.

INteresting that you have to go off topic of African slaves. Awkward for you?

Now you don't want to call black people human beings?
My how you racist lefties have come out of the closet

Of course they are human beings....but they WERE treated as property up to 1865.

 

[Correll]

Desire has zero to do with the definition of immigration.
You lefties keep proving you lack basic education.

To repeat.

The were property. IMPORTED, as goods, Read the Constitution. They delineated immigrants from imported "such persons" (such persons = slaves) - or them discussing such persons..

The Notes of Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787
by James Madison.

: Genl. PINKNEY moved to strike out the words "the year eighteen hundred" as the year limiting the importation of slaves, and to insert the words "the year eighteen hundred and eight"


Mr. GHORUM 2ded. the motion


Mr. MADISON. Twenty years will produce all the mischief that can be apprehended from the liberty to import slaves. So long a term will be more dishonorable to the National character than to say nothing about it in the Constitution.

Like I said, Soviets forced millions to relocate by force.
They were still immigrants to their new homes.

That has nothing to do with my comment.

How did our founders define them? I just showed you.

As IMPORTED goods. Not immigrants.

The two terms are NOT contradictory.

Of course they are......but not to a trumpsplainer......

"Definition of immigrant

1. : one that immigrates: such asa : a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence"
   

Import - Wikipedia


"An import is a good brought into a jurisdiction, especially across a national border, from an external source."




SO, what's the contradiction?

 

[Correll]

Why don't you guys look at what he actually was saying instead of mincing someones words? Could he have used a better definition? I guess so, because there are people looking for any reason to skew someone else over race, no matter what their intentions were.

Calling Blacks that were enslaved "immigrants" is about as idiotic a statement you can make. One so idiotic you would think only a white person would say it. Carson is a Black person saying it which creates a new paradigm of idiocy..

Poor baby. Words making you cry again.
Soviets relocated millions by force. Doesn't mean they were not immigrants to their new homes.

INteresting that you have to go off topic of African slaves. Awkward for you?

Now you don't want to call black people human beings?
My how you racist lefties have come out of the closet

Of course they are human beings....but they WERE treated as property up to 1865.

So, are you deferring to the mores of the slave holders?

 

[NoNukes]

is ben carson really black? (i, like colbert, don't see race)

Samuel L. Jackson, NAACP Criticize Ben Carson for Deeming Slaves as "Immigrants"

Ben Carson is a house n*#&ga. Want proof?

What do you think that shows?

Him being their butler. LOL

He knows who goes first and who goes last. Just like southerners brag that their blacks aren't as angry as northern blacks. Sure they are. They're just afraid.

The angry Blacks head north.

 

[Correll]

is ben carson really black? (i, like colbert, don't see race)

Samuel L. Jackson, NAACP Criticize Ben Carson for Deeming Slaves as "Immigrants"

Ben Carson is a house n*#&ga. Want proof?

What do you think that shows?

Him being their butler. LOL

He knows who goes first and who goes last. Just like southerners brag that their blacks aren't as angry as northern blacks. Sure they are. They're just afraid.

You're seriously projecting. NOTHING in the video suggests anything you are saying.

 

[bodecea]

After the slaves were freed by the good will of white men, they were free to go back to Africa. Instead they chose to remain in America. Sounds like they liked being brought to America.

The stupidity of a Trump supporter. ^

You find the truth "stupid"?

Drumpf supporters have been trained to fight the Truth ever since Drumpf started running for president. You are all good puppets now. And puppets have wooden heads.

 

[Weatherman2020]

After the slaves were freed by the good will of white men, they were free to go back to Africa. Instead they chose to remain in America. Sounds like they liked being brought to America.

The stupidity of a Trump supporter. ^

You find the truth "stupid"?

Drumpf supporters have been trained to fight the Truth ever since Drumpf started running for president. You are all good puppets now. And puppets have wooden heads.

Says the dufus who looks under the bed every night for Russians.

 

[FJO]

I dont see anyone criticizing him for his skin color. I just said he was a uncle tom.

Which is an insult specific to skin color. C'mon.

Racists come in all colors and so do "uncle tom's".

It would be a horrifying thing for anyone to say, black, white or purple.

Bottom line is that he's completely out of touch with the real world.

I don't get the outrage over this. I can clearly see what he was trying to say.

Well white liberals know everything when it comes to race...they love their Mexican slaves...uh make that illegals

If you think that only rich whites employ illegal aliens, you are a fool.

Rich blacks, rich Hispanics, rich Asians and even rich so called Native Americans employ illegal aliens.

 

[Cellblock2429]

is ben carson really black? (i, like colbert, don't see race)

Samuel L. Jackson, NAACP Criticize Ben Carson for Deeming Slaves as "Immigrants"

/---- if not immigrants ( involuntary albeit) what do you call them--- Hostess Cupcakes?

 

[Correll]

I dont see anyone criticizing him for his skin color. I just said he was a uncle tom.

Which is an insult specific to skin color. C'mon.

Racists come in all colors and so do "uncle tom's".

It would be a horrifying thing for anyone to say, black, white or purple.

Bottom line is that he's completely out of touch with the real world.

I don't get the outrage over this. I can clearly see what he was trying to say.

Well white liberals know everything when it comes to race...they love their Mexican slaves...uh make that illegals

If you think that only rich whites employ illegal aliens, you are a fool.

Rich blacks, rich Hispanics, rich Asians and even rich so called Native Americans employ illegal aliens.

I worker with a poor white woman who used an illegal as child care.