WillReadmore
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Well, you're still not being clear.Saying "take best practices that produce success, get rid of what doesn't work" is meaningless.I'd point out that ANY success in HUD will be seen as progressive if it helps people.Are you saying that it's not winter?
I'm saying you like to try and sit on the fence so you can have it both ways.
Not the way I play.
You trying say that any success Carson might have is because he is necessarily "Progressive" makes you look stupid.
I am also saying that your entire ideology is based on fraud.
That IS the measure of HUD. It's the whole reason it exists.
So far, I really don't believe you know what Carson is going to do. But, his statements make it sound like his view includes the idea that helping poor people is best accomplished by kicking them to the street.
And, that certainly isn't going to be seen as success at HUD.
That's disingenuous at best. If you listened to him speak from his time he was running you would understand his overall philosophy and he narrowed it down slightly in that 3 min video. Take best practices that produce success, get rid of what doesn't work.
Let me give you an example from Communist Canada. Every Christmas when I was a kid I would get this one particular box as a gift from "Santa". For about 3-4 years I received it, it was always the same mustard yellow mittens. My mother would see my reaction and never acted overly excited when I opened it. Why? It turns out they were given to us each year by the province because we were poor. She probably hated them, but it saved her a couple of bucks. Now, I DO appreciate these mittens, at the time though it was a sore thumb. 90% Of students in my school had slick gloves of all shapes and colours, 10% of us had these mustard yellow mittens...absorb that concept of identification for a moment.
I knew some very smart people who were poor. Smarter than some who were in my MBA class many years later. They failed to gain traction in the system. They also had these same mustard mittens. They were guided to vocational schools. Not that there is anything wrong with that of course, but it is customary to send poor students, maybe student who were less talkative due to their experiences in life to schools that would basically congregate those "like them". Sounds like some of the experiences you face with "common core". They didn't know any better, nor did their parents. Some of them were a bit rambunctious, but they were far smarter, but never "expected" to do well. Nor was I, but my mother cared and I loved to learn, still do.
I was lucky, to some degree. My guidance counsellor, who happened to be my soccer coach and who I had a rocky relationship with, but, he gave a damn about me. He told me the school I was going to, a Collegiate. Meant to hone me for university if I so chose, I remember to this day our meeting, I was in grade eight at the time. "______, what high school school do you want to go to?" I considered those my friends were going to since I wanted to be with my fellow poor friends. I told him accordingly, he said "no, you are going to ______ school. You will do well there, right?" I nodded my head, but in reality I was scared. I would lose many of my friends, that security net.
I saw guys who were very bright, go unchallenged at school. Their schoolwork was probably a year or two behind in equivalency, but they were good with their hands, or learned to be. They also had curious minds and different interest, both those interests were quickly altered. The lucky ones became mechanics or did factory ones. The bored ones or those who simply weren't the hands on type, dropped out, did what they did. Some are still living in those poor buildings with kids of their own, on welfare, continuing the cycle. It was too easy to just follow the same path. Turn 18 or 19, get on welfare, do other nefarious garbage and watch the Simpsons or Honey Boo Boo for entertainment. "ah, this is the life" Or so they believed, because they don't know any better.
How many Ben Carsons are in these neighbourhoods? How many stuck in a cycle, with children following their paths? How many even KNOW how to be dependent? Have ambition or a desire to apply their God given strengths? Let me tell you, the toughest thing for me growing up in these areas wasn't school, it was confidence. I would visit friends on my wrestling team or soccer team and they lived in houses. Had nice furniture and parents with nice jobs. I didn't have that as my mother had me at a young age and she became part of the system. I was determined to break this cycle, even though I very nearly followed in the footsteps of ignorance and dependence.
If Carson is successful in transforming this culture of traps and spirit sapping dead ends for so many families, he will have done as great a service to the country as any politician in history.
It fully depends on what someone thinks is "success".
ANY HUD policy will always be able to be pitched either as a success or a failure at any given time in history.
In fact, I hear Carson spewing this kind of nonsense far too much - ever since he first started considering politics.
BTW: You tell a good story, but I don't see how it applies to Carson.
It applies to Carson because he is saying the same things I began to think as I advanced through high school. It took me until grade 12 to really "get it", but I got there. He got there exponentially, becoming a world class surgeon. You have a better chance of winning the lottery than seeing this level of scholastic and global achievement from his place of upbringing. His accomplishments really surpass Trumps when think about it. Trump loves winners and those who apply themselves, Carson is the Poster Boy for being a winner if you ask me. There are more billionaires than world class surgeons who came from sheer poverty.
It's clear to me that success is being independent. Determining your own self determination, absent from state interference. Getting out of poverty and government housing. These places should be temporary places to allow you to experience the basic needs, they shouldn't be your resting place. It shouldn't be your destination that you remain and raise a family in. He states that some of these people don't even realize it, it's no fault of their own, they are born there, they don't know any different.
Britain has the same problem Canada has, if you are born poor, you die poor. From the cradle to the grave, it is disheartening, such a waste of life. There are generations of people who were born in government housing complexes or buildings and they die there, with their kids and grandkids. That's disgusting!
America believes in the Constitution, the pursuit of happiness, Natural Laws bestowed by God. You can apply your skills and apply them in the free market. In Canada and Britain, they use covert apparatuses to maintain your "position" in life, while giving you just enough bread crumbs to stay alive. It's a caste system with a make believe and artificial presentation that you operate in capitalism.
The bottom line, socialism and quasi-communism provides the disincentive for those who might succeed to actually succeed. For those who need a temporary hand, ok, when some are stuck in these areas basically rotting to death it's extremely offensive. This isn't compassion, it's pure unadulterated evil.
For example, yes, to succeed one does have to use one's own determination.
But, that doesn't justify removing the support for people who are in poverty.
For example, I think the US investment in Carson's education was a GOOD investment, not a BAD investment.
Now that Carson is a "winner" is he in favor of giving more people the kind of support HE got?
Will he advocate cutting food stamps, because his mother was on food stamps when she paid cash for a new Chrysler?
Will he recognize that his SAT scores got headline news as being unique in 20 years - and thus he is not representative of the population from which he came and thus his experience is NOT a model for policy going forward?
I'm quite sure we have few clues about how his background will motivate his policy decisions.