Ben Stein Stumps Richard Dawkins.

Lots of words and yet the links are still missing. Sorry ... no evidence means it didn't happen (using your own logic).

Lots of sidestepping as to what "links" are missing. As noted, even the most extreme of the creation ministries have avoided the nonsensical "links" term.

Otherwise, you also sidestepped any accounting of the research being done by fundamentalist creation ministries. That's because there is none. So here's your chance at raising your boat-anchor of an argument. Why not give us some research data performed by Answers in Genesis, the ICR, Discovery Institute, Creation Ministries, etc., in connection with the fossil remains of Ardipithecus ramidus?


Sorry.... no evidence means exactly that: no evidence. Your desperate attempts to avoid addressing obvious deficiencies in your claims to supernaturalism causes you to falsely and deliberately misrepresent the statements of others.

We call that lying.

I would have thought that a grownup, or maybe your first grade teacher would have explained to you what lying is and why it's wrong.

And **poof**, Holly's "evidence" has gone "missing" so, **poof**, she simply pretends that it doesn't matter. It's a miracle.

I gave you evidence. Why are sidestepping, and now flaming?

Why not give us some research data performed by Answers in Genesis, the ICR, Discovery Institute, Creation Ministries, etc., in connection with the fossil remains of Ardipithecus ramidus?

Explain to us why thee gods would bother to leave any fossil evidence at all depicting a clear delineation of human ancestry?

Are your gods careless to have left such evidence or are they just playing a cruel joke on you?
 
Lots of sidestepping as to what "links" are missing. As noted, even the most extreme of the creation ministries have avoided the nonsensical "links" term.

Otherwise, you also sidestepped any accounting of the research being done by fundamentalist creation ministries. That's because there is none. So here's your chance at raising your boat-anchor of an argument. Why not give us some research data performed by Answers in Genesis, the ICR, Discovery Institute, Creation Ministries, etc., in connection with the fossil remains of Ardipithecus ramidus?


Sorry.... no evidence means exactly that: no evidence. Your desperate attempts to avoid addressing obvious deficiencies in your claims to supernaturalism causes you to falsely and deliberately misrepresent the statements of others.

We call that lying.

I would have thought that a grownup, or maybe your first grade teacher would have explained to you what lying is and why it's wrong.

And **poof**, Holly's "evidence" has gone "missing" so, **poof**, she simply pretends that it doesn't matter. It's a miracle.

I gave you evidence. Why are sidestepping, and now flaming?

Why not give us some research data performed by Answers in Genesis, the ICR, Discovery Institute, Creation Ministries, etc., in connection with the fossil remains of Ardipithecus ramidus?

Explain to us why thee gods would bother to leave any fossil evidence at all depicting a clear delineation of human ancestry?

Are your gods careless to have left such evidence or are they just playing a cruel joke on you?

I've offered tons of research data from ICR. I can't help it if you discarded it before reading it.

What appeared into the vast nothingness first -- matter or energy? Does time have a beginning? What's the very first cause? Three simple questions.
 
And **poof** nothingness created a universe just like magic. For no particular reason. Then **poof** inanimate, non-organic matter just **poof** created life out of the blue for no particular reason. It's a magical miracle. Even more miraculous is that these chaotic mistakes just **poof** created all these intricate designs without even so much as a simple blueprint. **Poof** it's a miracle of miracles.

You might be interested to learn that a major disruption in matter and energy is what caused the expansion of the universe. The background radiation of the "Big Bang" has been measured. The laws of physics as we understand them even apply to Planck time, just fractions of a second before the expansion.

Nothing known to science accounts for magic, supernatural intervention or the hand of your gods (or other, more powerful gods), **poofing** anything.

All speculative and theoretical. You still can't explain the "why." You still can't explain what the very first cause was. You still can't explain how nothing created everything. It still requires "faith" on your part to accept your religious beliefs.

Actually, you are wrong, as usual. Science answers "why" questions all the time. Just not the metaphysical ones.

We can define, "why" questions as those questions which seek a cause, a motive, a reason, a process, a purpose, or a justification. And in fact, science can answer "why" and "what's next" and does so with reliable continuity. From science we learn how stars function -- why do they "burn"? And if you want to know when the next eclipse is going to be-- well, you could ask that at your next meeting of the "Flat Earth Society", or you could consult an astronomer and get a list of every solar and lunar eclipse for the next 8 millions years.

And "how" is the core question of science.

But motives, reasons, purposes and justifications are not necessarily metaphysical at all. Proceeding along the path of knowledge that shows no need or requirement for your gods (or any other gods as a requirement for existence), then there is nothing necessarily metaphysical being considered at all.

Now, how is it that science can ask such questions of animals and humans, but not of your gods? Why for a rather simple reason:

We have evidence that the universe exists and we have evidence regarding the some of the elements for the cause of that existence . We have no similar evidence for gods.
 
Where did all the eternal elements hang out prior to the Big Bang?

They didn't exist prior to the Big Bang. All of the subatomic particles in the universe already existed, just in an almost infinitely hot and dense state (aka the singularity). After the Big Bang and the inflation of the universe started, enough space between particles allowed the particles to cool down to the point that quarks became protons and neutrons which in time became Hydrogen and Helium which eventually formed stars which fused and became every other element.

And **poof** non-matter become matter. It's a miracle! Your faith is great!
Subatomic PARTICLES are NOT "non-matter." Your dishonesty is great! Were you made in the image of your God?
 
They didn't exist prior to the Big Bang. All of the subatomic particles in the universe already existed, just in an almost infinitely hot and dense state (aka the singularity). After the Big Bang and the inflation of the universe started, enough space between particles allowed the particles to cool down to the point that quarks became protons and neutrons which in time became Hydrogen and Helium which eventually formed stars which fused and became every other element.

And **poof** non-matter become matter. It's a miracle! Your faith is great!
Subatomic PARTICLES are NOT "non-matter." Your dishonesty is great! Were you made in the image of your God?

Where did the subatomic particles come from? Some of your buds say that "matter" didn't exist until AFTER the "big bang." You all need to get on the same page. Nevertheless, I'm glad you have faith in your religious conclusions.
 
And **poof**, Holly's "evidence" has gone "missing" so, **poof**, she simply pretends that it doesn't matter. It's a miracle.

I gave you evidence. Why are sidestepping, and now flaming?

Why not give us some research data performed by Answers in Genesis, the ICR, Discovery Institute, Creation Ministries, etc., in connection with the fossil remains of Ardipithecus ramidus?

Explain to us why thee gods would bother to leave any fossil evidence at all depicting a clear delineation of human ancestry?

Are your gods careless to have left such evidence or are they just playing a cruel joke on you?

I've offered tons of research data from ICR. I can't help it if you discarded it before reading it.

What appeared into the vast nothingness first -- matter or energy? Does time have a beginning? What's the very first cause? Three simple questions.

False. The ICR does no research.

But you claim they do so, as noted previously, Why not give us some research data performed by Answers in Genesis, the ICR, Discovery Institute, Creation Ministries, etc., in connection with the fossil remains of Ardipithecus ramidus?

Of course, you've sidestepped addressing that at every instance.

Show us the research being done by Answers in Genesis, the ICR, Discovery Institute, Creation Ministries, etc., in connection with the global flood, Noah's Ark, dead men rising and talking snakes. You have similarly dodged addressing those "research" items.

Show us the research done by Answers in Genesis, the ICR, Discovery Institute, Creation Ministries, etc., which has been presented for peer review in any of the leading scientific journals.
 
And **poof** nothingness created a universe just like magic. For no particular reason. Then **poof** inanimate, non-organic matter just **poof** created life out of the blue for no particular reason. It's a magical miracle. Even more miraculous is that these chaotic mistakes just **poof** created all these intricate designs without even so much as a simple blueprint. **Poof** it's a miracle of miracles.

You might be interested to learn that a major disruption in matter and energy is what caused the expansion of the universe. The background radiation of the "Big Bang" has been measured. The laws of physics as we understand them even apply to Planck time, just fractions of a second before the expansion.

Nothing known to science accounts for magic, supernatural intervention or the hand of your gods (or other, more powerful gods), **poofing** anything.

All speculative and theoretical. You still can't explain the "why." You still can't explain what the very first cause was. You still can't explain how nothing created everything. It still requires "faith" on your part to accept your religious beliefs.
"Nothing created everything" is the position of Creationism, not science. As has been shown to you repeatedly, energy can neither be created nor destroyed, so there never was nothing, there always was energy. Is the reason you are so dishonest because you are made in the image of your God???
 
And **poof** non-matter become matter. It's a miracle! Your faith is great!
Subatomic PARTICLES are NOT "non-matter." Your dishonesty is great! Were you made in the image of your God?

Where did the subatomic particles come from? Some of your buds say that "matter" didn't exist until AFTER the "big bang." You all need to get on the same page. Nevertheless, I'm glad you have faith in your religious conclusions.
All matter is a form of energy.
 
And **poof** non-matter become matter. It's a miracle! Your faith is great!
Subatomic PARTICLES are NOT "non-matter." Your dishonesty is great! Were you made in the image of your God?

Where did the subatomic particles come from? Some of your buds say that "matter" didn't exist until AFTER the "big bang." You all need to get on the same page. Nevertheless, I'm glad you have faith in your religious conclusions.

Where did you gods come from?

There are experiments being done by scientists that have revealed Higgs-boson. It's another step being taken to understand the nature of things.

So, here we are, as usual the hyper-religious refuse to address any issues relating to how their particular gods **poofed** existence into place but instead launch into typical patterns of attacking science and knowledge.
 
I gave you evidence. Why are sidestepping, and now flaming?

Why not give us some research data performed by Answers in Genesis, the ICR, Discovery Institute, Creation Ministries, etc., in connection with the fossil remains of Ardipithecus ramidus?

Explain to us why thee gods would bother to leave any fossil evidence at all depicting a clear delineation of human ancestry?

Are your gods careless to have left such evidence or are they just playing a cruel joke on you?

I've offered tons of research data from ICR. I can't help it if you discarded it before reading it.

What appeared into the vast nothingness first -- matter or energy? Does time have a beginning? What's the very first cause? Three simple questions.

False. The ICR does no research.

But you claim they do so, as noted previously, Why not give us some research data performed by Answers in Genesis, the ICR, Discovery Institute, Creation Ministries, etc., in connection with the fossil remains of Ardipithecus ramidus?

Of course, you've sidestepped addressing that at every instance.

Show us the research being done by Answers in Genesis, the ICR, Discovery Institute, Creation Ministries, etc., in connection with the global flood, Noah's Ark, dead men rising and talking snakes. You have similarly dodged addressing those "research" items.

Show us the research done by Answers in Genesis, the ICR, Discovery Institute, Creation Ministries, etc., which has been presented for peer review in any of the leading scientific journals.

See what I mean? You failed to read the ICR's research. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him (her) drink.
 
Subatomic PARTICLES are NOT "non-matter." Your dishonesty is great! Were you made in the image of your God?

Where did the subatomic particles come from? Some of your buds say that "matter" didn't exist until AFTER the "big bang." You all need to get on the same page. Nevertheless, I'm glad you have faith in your religious conclusions.

Where did you gods come from?

There are experiments being done by scientists that have revealed Higgs-boson. It's another step being taken to understand the nature of things.

So, here we are, as usual the hyper-religious refuse to address any issues relating to how their particular gods **poofed** existence into place but instead launch into typical patterns of attacking science and knowledge.

Intelligence always comes before design. Design never comes before intelligence. Therefore, intelligence is the first cause.
 
I've offered tons of research data from ICR. I can't help it if you discarded it before reading it.

What appeared into the vast nothingness first -- matter or energy? Does time have a beginning? What's the very first cause? Three simple questions.

False. The ICR does no research.

But you claim they do so, as noted previously, Why not give us some research data performed by Answers in Genesis, the ICR, Discovery Institute, Creation Ministries, etc., in connection with the fossil remains of Ardipithecus ramidus?

Of course, you've sidestepped addressing that at every instance.

Show us the research being done by Answers in Genesis, the ICR, Discovery Institute, Creation Ministries, etc., in connection with the global flood, Noah's Ark, dead men rising and talking snakes. You have similarly dodged addressing those "research" items.

Show us the research done by Answers in Genesis, the ICR, Discovery Institute, Creation Ministries, etc., which has been presented for peer review in any of the leading scientific journals.

See what I mean? You failed to read the ICR's research. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him (her) drink.

No, I don't see what you mean.

Show us the research being done by Answers in Genesis, the ICR, Discovery Institute, Creation Ministries, etc., in connection with the global flood, Noah's Ark, dead men rising and talking snakes. You have similarly dodged addressing those "research" items.

Identify the research data performed by Answers in Genesis, the ICR, Discovery Institute, Creation Ministries, etc., in connection with the fossil remains of Ardipithecus ramidus?
 
Where did the subatomic particles come from? Some of your buds say that "matter" didn't exist until AFTER the "big bang." You all need to get on the same page. Nevertheless, I'm glad you have faith in your religious conclusions.

Where did you gods come from?

There are experiments being done by scientists that have revealed Higgs-boson. It's another step being taken to understand the nature of things.

So, here we are, as usual the hyper-religious refuse to address any issues relating to how their particular gods **poofed** existence into place but instead launch into typical patterns of attacking science and knowledge.

Intelligence always comes before design. Design never comes before intelligence. Therefore, intelligence is the first cause.
"... because I say so".

Sorry, but cutting and pasting slogans from the ICR is not going to raise your argument from the dead.

Biological evolution is not guided by any gods including your partisan gods.

You need to define your gods as The gods before you can assume intelligence comes before design.

So here's your chance. Knowing the Hindu gods are the "real" gods, identify why anyone should accept your gods as anything but posers.
 
You might be interested to learn that a major disruption in matter and energy is what caused the expansion of the universe. The background radiation of the "Big Bang" has been measured. The laws of physics as we understand them even apply to Planck time, just fractions of a second before the expansion.

Nothing known to science accounts for magic, supernatural intervention or the hand of your gods (or other, more powerful gods), **poofing** anything.

All speculative and theoretical. You still can't explain the "why." You still can't explain what the very first cause was. You still can't explain how nothing created everything. It still requires "faith" on your part to accept your religious beliefs.
"Nothing created everything" is the position of Creationism, not science. As has been shown to you repeatedly, energy can neither be created nor destroyed, so there never was nothing, there always was energy. Is the reason you are so dishonest because you are made in the image of your God???

And yet secular "science" insists that "nothing created everything." They have ZERO explanation at to where matter and energy ACTUALLY came from and literally hate faith-based beliefs while exercising "faith" that their conclusions are factual. Delirium at its finest.
 
Where did you gods come from?

There are experiments being done by scientists that have revealed Higgs-boson. It's another step being taken to understand the nature of things.

So, here we are, as usual the hyper-religious refuse to address any issues relating to how their particular gods **poofed** existence into place but instead launch into typical patterns of attacking science and knowledge.

Intelligence always comes before design. Design never comes before intelligence. Therefore, intelligence is the first cause.
"... because I say so".

At least we know your actual position. Thanks for your honesty.
 
All speculative and theoretical. You still can't explain the "why." You still can't explain what the very first cause was. You still can't explain how nothing created everything. It still requires "faith" on your part to accept your religious beliefs.
"Nothing created everything" is the position of Creationism, not science. As has been shown to you repeatedly, energy can neither be created nor destroyed, so there never was nothing, there always was energy. Is the reason you are so dishonest because you are made in the image of your God???

And yet secular "science" insists that "nothing created everything." They have ZERO explanation at to where matter and energy ACTUALLY came from and literally hate faith-based beliefs while exercising "faith" that their conclusions are factual. Delirium at its finest.
Creationism is NOT secular science. Do you insist on lying because you are made in the image of your God?
 
All speculative and theoretical. You still can't explain the "why." You still can't explain what the very first cause was. You still can't explain how nothing created everything. It still requires "faith" on your part to accept your religious beliefs.
"Nothing created everything" is the position of Creationism, not science. As has been shown to you repeatedly, energy can neither be created nor destroyed, so there never was nothing, there always was energy. Is the reason you are so dishonest because you are made in the image of your God???

And yet secular "science" insists that "nothing created everything." They have ZERO explanation at to where matter and energy ACTUALLY came from and literally hate faith-based beliefs while exercising "faith" that their conclusions are factual. Delirium at its finest.

Science does not insist that "nothing created everything".

"Nothing creating everything" is actually an argument made by fundies.
 
"Nothing created everything" is the position of Creationism, not science. As has been shown to you repeatedly, energy can neither be created nor destroyed, so there never was nothing, there always was energy. Is the reason you are so dishonest because you are made in the image of your God???

And yet secular "science" insists that "nothing created everything." They have ZERO explanation at to where matter and energy ACTUALLY came from and literally hate faith-based beliefs while exercising "faith" that their conclusions are factual. Delirium at its finest.
Creationism is NOT secular science. Do you insist on lying because you are made in the image of your God?

So secular scientists believe that "something" created everything? That's where I'm at as well. So what do you say created everything and what blueprint was "it" working off of?
 
"Nothing created everything" is the position of Creationism, not science. As has been shown to you repeatedly, energy can neither be created nor destroyed, so there never was nothing, there always was energy. Is the reason you are so dishonest because you are made in the image of your God???

And yet secular "science" insists that "nothing created everything." They have ZERO explanation at to where matter and energy ACTUALLY came from and literally hate faith-based beliefs while exercising "faith" that their conclusions are factual. Delirium at its finest.

Science does not insist that "nothing created everything".

"Nothing creating everything" is actually an argument made by fundies.

So you're saying that something created everything. Describe the nature of your "something."
 
They didn't exist prior to the Big Bang. All of the subatomic particles in the universe already existed, just in an almost infinitely hot and dense state (aka the singularity). After the Big Bang and the inflation of the universe started, enough space between particles allowed the particles to cool down to the point that quarks became protons and neutrons which in time became Hydrogen and Helium which eventually formed stars which fused and became every other element.

And **poof** non-matter become matter. It's a miracle! Your faith is great!

**poof*'ing is appropriate only in timelines of super-magical creation. It only took six days for all of existence to be **poofed** into its complete form, at least according to one account of creation by one version of religious doctrine.

On the other hand, geologic time frames are represented by billions of years and complex interactions of naturally occurring chemical elements.

Those time frames of billions years clash with the beliefs of literalist/fundie Christians but a literal genesis/biblical creation account is refuted by facts and evidence.

there were single celled organisms and then **poof** there were humanoids....
 

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