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That is how I was trained to get my CCW.
What if there's more zombies around? Might need to save that ammo.
Sorry. You are busted. No CCW trainer would tell you to only fire one shot. Just to get a permit you are required to hit a target center mass multiple times with both your dominate and weak hand. That aside I was talking about real world experience. I have shot people. You have not. You shoot more than once.
Lol, what bullshit.
Yes, I was trained to shoot one shot for legal reasons. The defense you use in civil court depends on excessive force. The Mogadishu shit you are talking about is for a WAR ZONE and if you triple hit some teen age kid you are going to get cleaned out in a great many courts across the land.
You are not shooting a criminal to kill, in theory, but to STOP them, that's it. Even one head shot is hard to defend against in court. One shot center of body, and repeat till they stop coming at you. THAT holds up in court. not 'Your honor, that is how I was trained to fight in a war.' The judge just might throw the fucking book at you.
Have you ever considered that your military training is NOT appropriate for civilian use?
Don't be so presumptive.
How many center of body shots would you put into a charging maniac with a knife if you have a 9mm?
With a 45 you just need one hit.
With a 9mm you need lots of hits.
No, you don't. Even a shot in the heart will not stop some people. They will continue to fight till they bleed out internally. The only thing that's almost guaranteed to drop a bad guy is a hit to the brain.....not head, but brain. And that is well protected. All of this "one stop shot" horseshit is just that...horseshit.
Real world shootings consist of multiple shots fired, a PJ friend of mine said it best, "I don't expect any particular bullet to do any particular thing, I place the shot assess the situation and repeat as necessary."
No one is going to take a 45 ACP round to the heart and keep coming at you.
'Repeat as necessary' is the key. If one shot will do the job, and it likely will if I have done my part right, then why waste bullets? You might need them for the next zombie.
That is how I was trained to get my CCW.
What if there's more zombies around? Might need to save that ammo.
Sorry. You are busted. No CCW trainer would tell you to only fire one shot. Just to get a permit you are required to hit a target center mass multiple times with both your dominate and weak hand. That aside I was talking about real world experience. I have shot people. You have not. You shoot more than once.
Lol, what bullshit.
Yes, I was trained to shoot one shot for legal reasons. The defense you use in civil court depends on excessive force. The Mogadishu shit you are talking about is for a WAR ZONE and if you triple hit some teen age kid you are going to get cleaned out in a great many courts across the land.
You are not shooting a criminal to kill, in theory, but to STOP them, that's it. Even one head shot is hard to defend against in court. One shot center of body, and repeat till they stop coming at you. THAT holds up in court. not 'Your honor, that is how I was trained to fight in a war.' The judge just might throw the fucking book at you.
Have you ever considered that your military training is NOT appropriate for civilian use?
Don't be so presumptive.
Sorry. You are busted. No CCW trainer would tell you to only fire one shot. Just to get a permit you are required to hit a target center mass multiple times with both your dominate and weak hand. That aside I was talking about real world experience. I have shot people. You have not. You shoot more than once.
Lol, what bullshit.
Yes, I was trained to shoot one shot for legal reasons. The defense you use in civil court depends on excessive force. The Mogadishu shit you are talking about is for a WAR ZONE and if you triple hit some teen age kid you are going to get cleaned out in a great many courts across the land.
You are not shooting a criminal to kill, in theory, but to STOP them, that's it. Even one head shot is hard to defend against in court. One shot center of body, and repeat till they stop coming at you. THAT holds up in court. not 'Your honor, that is how I was trained to fight in a war.' The judge just might throw the fucking book at you.
Have you ever considered that your military training is NOT appropriate for civilian use?
Don't be so presumptive.
If that was what they taught you they were wrong. A person charging you can cover 20 feet in less than two seconds. Again you fire more than once. And yes you shoot to kill. If you are not prepared to do that you have no business pulling a gun much less owning one. I could find a link to an expert that would tell you that in a few seconds.
And of course military tactics are not always appropriate. that's why you have to pass a civilian course to get a CCW.
Sorry. You are busted. No CCW trainer would tell you to only fire one shot. Just to get a permit you are required to hit a target center mass multiple times with both your dominate and weak hand. That aside I was talking about real world experience. I have shot people. You have not. You shoot more than once.
Lol, what bullshit.
Yes, I was trained to shoot one shot for legal reasons. The defense you use in civil court depends on excessive force. The Mogadishu shit you are talking about is for a WAR ZONE and if you triple hit some teen age kid you are going to get cleaned out in a great many courts across the land.
You are not shooting a criminal to kill, in theory, but to STOP them, that's it. Even one head shot is hard to defend against in court. One shot center of body, and repeat till they stop coming at you. THAT holds up in court. not 'Your honor, that is how I was trained to fight in a war.' The judge just might throw the fucking book at you.
Have you ever considered that your military training is NOT appropriate for civilian use?
Don't be so presumptive.
I found it quite challenging, changing "weapon" to "firearm" when I started teaching Hunter Education classes. The Army has weapons, hunters have firearms, especially when you're teaching children about firearm safety and hunting ethics.
Actually, with an 8-round 30.06 clip in place and a leather sling the Garand weighs in at 10.5.As I've said, I've never even held an M-16. But if accuracy is your primary concern, having shot "possibles" offhand at 200 yards, and "possibles" sitting and kneeling at 300 yards, and I am by no means an exceptional shooter, I can tell you from experience the M-1 is one hell of an accurate rifle.
The only downside to the M-1 I can think of is it's 9.5 pound weight. It's big and heavy to lug on a march but it is supremely reliable. And although I'd never been in combat, the Garand is what I want to have in my hands if people are trying to kill me.
9.5 lbs. isnt all that bad. My AR is just shy of 11 lbs. with a full mag of 28 rounds.
PS: I'm surprised to learn the M-16 weighs that much, because I'd believed the main reason for replacing the M-14 was size and weight.
How many center of body shots would you put into a charging maniac with a knife if you have a 9mm?
With a 45 you just need one hit.
With a 9mm you need lots of hits.
No, you don't. Even a shot in the heart will not stop some people. They will continue to fight till they bleed out internally. The only thing that's almost guaranteed to drop a bad guy is a hit to the brain.....not head, but brain. And that is well protected. All of this "one stop shot" horseshit is just that...horseshit.
Real world shootings consist of multiple shots fired, a PJ friend of mine said it best, "I don't expect any particular bullet to do any particular thing, I place the shot assess the situation and repeat as necessary."
No one is going to take a 45 ACP round to the heart and keep coming at you.
'Repeat as necessary' is the key. If one shot will do the job, and it likely will if I have done my part right, then why waste bullets? You might need them for the next zombie.
No, you don't. Even a shot in the heart will not stop some people. They will continue to fight till they bleed out internally. The only thing that's almost guaranteed to drop a bad guy is a hit to the brain.....not head, but brain. And that is well protected. All of this "one stop shot" horseshit is just that...horseshit.
Real world shootings consist of multiple shots fired, a PJ friend of mine said it best, "I don't expect any particular bullet to do any particular thing, I place the shot assess the situation and repeat as necessary."
No one is going to take a 45 ACP round to the heart and keep coming at you.
'Repeat as necessary' is the key. If one shot will do the job, and it likely will if I have done my part right, then why waste bullets? You might need them for the next zombie.
Yes, they will. There are numerous reports of people shot in the heart by RIFLE rounds who kept fighting till they bled out, the most notable being the Red Baron who was shot through the heart and still managed to fly on for several miles before he finally bled out and crashed.
No one is going to take a 45 ACP round to the heart and keep coming at you.
'Repeat as necessary' is the key. If one shot will do the job, and it likely will if I have done my part right, then why waste bullets? You might need them for the next zombie.
Yes, they will. There are numerous reports of people shot in the heart by RIFLE rounds who kept fighting till they bled out, the most notable being the Red Baron who was shot through the heart and still managed to fly on for several miles before he finally bled out and crashed.
Battlefield reports are often contradictory and done in a rush. That applies to the Red Baron as well.
But shots to the heart will put a man on his but and into shock PDQ. Will they possibly have enough mind to keep doing low effort things like guide a joy stick to land an aircraft? yeah, possibly, depending on how high they are and other things.
But will they still be charging you swinging a machete? No.
And when a rifle round goes through the fleshy part of the body it tends to do a through and through wound. The 45 was designed to stop in the body and do as much damage within it without exiting. That is why it is better than the 9mm and the 308 for close up front shooting, IMO.
No, you don't. Even a shot in the heart will not stop some people. They will continue to fight till they bleed out internally. The only thing that's almost guaranteed to drop a bad guy is a hit to the brain.....not head, but brain. And that is well protected. All of this "one stop shot" horseshit is just that...horseshit.
Real world shootings consist of multiple shots fired, a PJ friend of mine said it best, "I don't expect any particular bullet to do any particular thing, I place the shot assess the situation and repeat as necessary."
No one is going to take a 45 ACP round to the heart and keep coming at you.
'Repeat as necessary' is the key. If one shot will do the job, and it likely will if I have done my part right, then why waste bullets? You might need them for the next zombie.
Yes, they will. There are numerous reports of people shot in the heart by RIFLE rounds who kept fighting till they bled out, the most notable being the Red Baron who was shot through the heart and still managed to fly on for several miles before he finally bled out and crashed.
No one is going to take a 45 ACP round to the heart and keep coming at you.
'Repeat as necessary' is the key. If one shot will do the job, and it likely will if I have done my part right, then why waste bullets? You might need them for the next zombie.
Yes, they will. There are numerous reports of people shot in the heart by RIFLE rounds who kept fighting till they bled out, the most notable being the Red Baron who was shot through the heart and still managed to fly on for several miles before he finally bled out and crashed.
Heart shots can can be minor(if there is such a thing) or catastrophic.
A direct hit and you'll be down in a matter of seconds. A nick and you'll go a little longer.
Yes, they will. There are numerous reports of people shot in the heart by RIFLE rounds who kept fighting till they bled out, the most notable being the Red Baron who was shot through the heart and still managed to fly on for several miles before he finally bled out and crashed.
Heart shots can can be minor(if there is such a thing) or catastrophic.
A direct hit and you'll be down in a matter of seconds. A nick and you'll go a little longer.
Richthofen was shot directly through the heart by a .303 British round from directly astern at a range of about 100 yards. He continued flying for at least another couple of minutes until he bled out and crashed.
Not exactly...shot from below and slightly behind (through the right armpit) by a single shot from a Lewis gun. It hit his right lung, grazed his heart, and hit his left lung.
Superbly-researched book: Who Killed The Red Baron by PJ Carisella.
Not exactly...shot from below and slightly behind (through the right armpit) by a single shot from a Lewis gun. It hit his right lung, grazed his heart, and hit his left lung.
Superbly-researched book: Who Killed The Red Baron by PJ Carisella.
I watched a guy get stabbed in the heart in a parking lot in my wild and woolly days.
He hit the ground immediately,bounced to his feet and keeled over. Maybe five seconds went by.
Yes, they will. There are numerous reports of people shot in the heart by RIFLE rounds who kept fighting till they bled out, the most notable being the Red Baron who was shot through the heart and still managed to fly on for several miles before he finally bled out and crashed.
Battlefield reports are often contradictory and done in a rush. That applies to the Red Baron as well.
But shots to the heart will put a man on his but and into shock PDQ. Will they possibly have enough mind to keep doing low effort things like guide a joy stick to land an aircraft? yeah, possibly, depending on how high they are and other things.
But will they still be charging you swinging a machete? No.
And when a rifle round goes through the fleshy part of the body it tends to do a through and through wound. The 45 was designed to stop in the body and do as much damage within it without exiting. That is why it is better than the 9mm and the 308 for close up front shooting, IMO.
The death of the Red Baron has been EXTENSIVELY researched. Probably THE most researched death in history.
Guns And Ammo published an article in the 1970's called "The Shock Myth Exploded" by Peter Hathaway Capstick a renowned African Big Game hunter and he very humorously destroys the whole concept of "knockdown power".
He even uses science (which I like) to do it. Put another way, what exactly is a foot pound? What does it mean when a projectile is claimed to have 1,500 foot pounds? I'll give you a hint...it means that supposedly, that projectile can, upon impact, move an object that weighs 1,500 pounds one foot. I've never,ever seen that happen....you?
Further, as Newton taught us "for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction" how could you possibly hold on to a weapon firing a projectile with that type of energy? Obviously no one could...so we are left with the problem that the muzzle energy numbers don't really mean anything.
If you really want to know how much energy is really being dumped into a target look at the recoil energy figures.... that is the theoretical maximum amount of energy that the target can soak up.
But hey, that's just science...
Yes, they will. There are numerous reports of people shot in the heart by RIFLE rounds who kept fighting till they bled out, the most notable being the Red Baron who was shot through the heart and still managed to fly on for several miles before he finally bled out and crashed.
Heart shots can can be minor(if there is such a thing) or catastrophic.
A direct hit and you'll be down in a matter of seconds. A nick and you'll go a little longer.
Richthofen was shot directly through the heart by a .303 British round from directly astern at a range of about 100 yards. He continued flying for at least another couple of minutes until he bled out and crashed.
almost certainly during this final stage in his pursuit of May that Richthofen was hit by a single .303 bullet, which caused such severe damage to his heart and lungs that it must have caused a very quick death.[43][44] In the last seconds of his life, he managed to make a hasty but controlled landing (
49°55′56″N 2°32′16″E) in a field on a hill near the Bray-Corbie road, just north of the village of Vaux-sur-Somme, in a sector controlled by the Australian Imperial Force (AIF).[42] One witness, Gunner George Ridgway, stated that when he and other Australian soldiers reached the aircraft, Richthofen was still alive but died moments later....
The RAF credited Brown with shooting down the Red Baron, but it is now generally agreed that the bullet that hit Richthofen was fired from the ground.[44][50] Richthofen died following an extremely serious and inevitably fatal chest wound from a single bullet, penetrating from the right armpit and resurfacing next to the left nipple. Brown's attack was from behind and above, and from Richthofen's left. Even more conclusively, Richthofen could not have continued his pursuit of May for as long as he did (up to two minutes) had this wound come from Brown's guns.
