Biden Calls For A Gun Ban After Colorado Shooting

[jc456]

Banning ownership would be wrong. Banning from places other than your own property or weapons ranges or hunting areas if they are allowed is another matter. We really do need to get AR-15 type weapons off the streets and out of the parking lots, but I enjoy shooting them on the range and believe you should be able to have anything you choose in your own home and on your property to defend your home and family all the way to the property line.

So do you think a sign saying “NO AR-15s or other assault weapons allowed“ would deter a mass shooter?

I live in Florida where you can’t carry a rifle or open carry a handgun in public. I have no problem abiding by those rules. I legally carry a handgun concealed in public.

Smart move on your part. Same here on the personal carry. There is nothing saying it is legal to open carry rifles. Somebody walking the parking lot with an AR-15, especially magazine in, attracts a lot of attention and should.

Open carry of a rifle is legal in Texas and in most states.

Does not change my mind. If everybody jumped off a 200 ft cliff, would you jump off, just because it was your right. I doubt it.

Depends on why I am jumping.

You can be afraid of guns all you want. That does not change what I do and how I behave.

you can try to shame me and others for their exercise of their natural and constitutional right. It does not and should not change how we behave.

Now, off is the general direction in which I wish you to fuck.

Who is afraid of guns, Booty? I was a trained weapons instructor on leterally every small arm the military had through the 90s, including grenade launchers and shoulder fired rockets, and of course crew served weapons systems, including 4 deuce mortar and M-60A3 main battle tank and rated expert in all the above. To this day, I keep enough weapons in various part of our home loaded and extra ammo with the goal of being able stand off a platoon size element for hours if it ever became necessary. Ordered a PSA 16" CHF standard 1:7 twist mid-length 5.56 NATO Premium AR-15 Upper from Palmetto State Armory, just yesterday morning to complete a build. You got the wrong guy. I do not fear weapons or explosives (yes, trained and qualified in that also back in the day), and it is with that training and experience, I can say without a doubt, training, qualification, and self discipline are or key to weapons safety and many in the civilian population particulary shouldn't even be trusted with potato gun, much less a fire arm on the streets. Don't expect people like me to get all tore up about your right to cowboy around town with weapons hanging all over your body, like an SF wannabe to show off you toys. Owning cool firepower, also does not change the way many behave. It takes more than plunking down the price of admission to own and that firepower should fall under sensible regulation.

Note: All gun banners never will say what "sensible" is.

Wrong. Many of us will and do and would be willing to go along with "sensible" regulation. We just cannot write it and enact it individually. That is why we have representative legislature. Problem is, legislature is in gridlock on the issue, and a lot of money is made on the issue. The issue has been demagogued to death and the only ones profiting from it are the NRA, the gun manufacturers, the lobbyists and selected politicians.

Any regulation by the federal government is automatically not sensible.
Not only does the constitution forbid any federal regulation of weapons, but obviously in a frontier location like Alaska, you would want to keep a rifle on the easily accessible mantle, so that even juveniles had easy access if necessary.
Any firearm regulation has to be local, and minimal. The individual needs vary far to much for distant federal interference.

When it comes to high murder rates, clearly those are caused by other factors than firearm accessibility. And it is those causal factors we should be trying to address instead of attempting to just cover up the real problems by reducing the noticeable symptoms. Like poverty, injustice, lack of education, lack of opportunity, etc. Those are the real causes of crime, and actually can be fairly easily fixed, far more easily than with gun control, which actually increases the fundamental problems.

well really extinguishing the thought that what's mine is your philosophy by the demofks.

 

[Rigby5]

Banning ownership would be wrong. Banning from places other than your own property or weapons ranges or hunting areas if they are allowed is another matter. We really do need to get AR-15 type weapons off the streets and out of the parking lots, but I enjoy shooting them on the range and believe you should be able to have anything you choose in your own home and on your property to defend your home and family all the way to the property line.

So do you think a sign saying “NO AR-15s or other assault weapons allowed“ would deter a mass shooter?

I live in Florida where you can’t carry a rifle or open carry a handgun in public. I have no problem abiding by those rules. I legally carry a handgun concealed in public.

Smart move on your part. Same here on the personal carry. There is nothing saying it is legal to open carry rifles. Somebody walking the parking lot with an AR-15, especially magazine in, attracts a lot of attention and should.

Open carry of a rifle is legal in Texas and in most states.

Does not change my mind. If everybody jumped off a 200 ft cliff, would you jump off, just because it was your right. I doubt it.

Depends on why I am jumping.

You can be afraid of guns all you want. That does not change what I do and how I behave.

you can try to shame me and others for their exercise of their natural and constitutional right. It does not and should not change how we behave.

Now, off is the general direction in which I wish you to fuck.

Who is afraid of guns, Booty? I was a trained weapons instructor on leterally every small arm the military had through the 90s, including grenade launchers and shoulder fired rockets, and of course crew served weapons systems, including 4 deuce mortar and M-60A3 main battle tank and rated expert in all the above. To this day, I keep enough weapons in various part of our home loaded and extra ammo with the goal of being able stand off a platoon size element for hours if it ever became necessary. Ordered a PSA 16" CHF standard 1:7 twist mid-length 5.56 NATO Premium AR-15 Upper from Palmetto State Armory, just yesterday morning to complete a build. You got the wrong guy. I do not fear weapons or explosives (yes, trained and qualified in that also back in the day), and it is with that training and experience, I can say without a doubt, training, qualification, and self discipline are or key to weapons safety and many in the civilian population particulary shouldn't even be trusted with potato gun, much less a fire arm on the streets. Don't expect people like me to get all tore up about your right to cowboy around town with weapons hanging all over your body, like an SF wannabe to show off you toys. Owning cool firepower, also does not change the way many behave. It takes more than plunking down the price of admission to own and that firepower should fall under sensible regulation.

Note: All gun banners never will say what "sensible" is.

Wrong. Many of us will and do and would be willing to go along with "sensible" regulation. We just cannot write it and enact it individually. That is why we have representative legislature. Problem is, legislature is in gridlock on the issue, and a lot of money is made on the issue. The issue has been demagogued to death and the only ones profiting from it are the NRA, the gun manufacturers, the lobbyists and selected politicians.

Any regulation by the federal government is automatically not sensible.
Not only does the constitution forbid any federal regulation of weapons, but obviously in a frontier location like Alaska, you would want to keep a rifle on the easily accessible mantle, so that even juveniles had easy access if necessary.
Any firearm regulation has to be local, and minimal. The individual needs vary far to much for distant federal interference.

When it comes to high murder rates, clearly those are caused by other factors than firearm accessibility. And it is those causal factors we should be trying to address instead of attempting to just cover up the real problems by reducing the noticeable symptoms. Like poverty, injustice, lack of education, lack of opportunity, etc. Those are the real causes of crime, and actually can be fairly easily fixed, far more easily than with gun control, which actually increases the fundamental problems.

well really extinguishing the thought that what's mine is your philosophy by the demofks.

I don't have a problem with communal sharing, of things like responsibility, wealth, property, authority, etc., but even though I am all for socialism, sharing, group planning, etc., these all have to be local.
As soon as you centralize federally, it gets all taken over by some small, elite, power group that is totally corrupt.
Can't ever let that happen.

 

[Rogue AI]

So some liberal extremist, Trump-Hating Whack-a-doodle with a Muslim-sounding name goes on a shooting spree, and Biden and the Democrats rush to use this as an excuse to strip LAW-ABIDING citizens of their 2nd Amendment Rights.

During the foreign-funded Democrat-supported domestic-terrorist violence of Antifa looting, pillaging, destroying, arsonist, raping, assaulting, and murdering Antifa terrorist acts in Democrat-run communities all over the country - that caused BILLIONS of dollars in damage and destroyed many Americans businesses / dreams...

Democrats arrested a couple for holding their legally-owned, Constitutionally protected personal weapons on their own property in front of their own house - in a 'Stand-Your Ground' state, to protect themselves and ther home from violent protestors who threatened their lives and threatened to burn down their House.

The trespassing terrorists were arrested for trespassing....and have already been released. The case by a liberal extremist AG against the couple is still on-going, has not been dropped, despite the fact that they did not do anything illegal and a bipartisan effort to get the charges dropped is on-going.

Biden and the Democrats, who are just screwing the majority of Americans as hard as they can as fast as they can have turned DC into the Iraqi 'Green Zone' defended by National Guard Troops because they are so deathly afraid that the Americans they are screwing and whose country they are turning into a 3rd-world socialist tyrannical country are going to rise up against them for what they are doing.

To ensure a successful revolt against their tyrannical transformation f this nation into a single-party Socialist state they HAVE to take the guns out of the hands of the people.

'Hell yes, we are coming after your AR-15s!'
- A bill has already been submitted by proven CCP Espionage Facilitator Diane Feinstein

Hell YES, we are coming for your guns. There was never any doubt.

Biden calls on Senate to pass gun control measures 'immediately' after Boulder shooting

President Biden on Tuesday implored the Senate to pass new gun control measures in the wake of a mass shooting that left 10 dead in Boulder, Colorado, this week.

www.foxnews.com

Gun control isn't a gun ban. No reasonable person should believe that's the case.

Its the start of a gun ban...if you think any of us are going to believe that the dems don't want a confiscation of all guns you have a lot to learn....we have been watching and listening to them for decades....

Obama tried to change opinions of guns by selling them to cartel members south of the border so they could do horrific things with them and turn us against the 2nd amendment...fast and furious didn't work...what will they do next?...maybe talk some Muslim nut into shooting up a store?....or some freak into shooting up a whore house?...

It was pretty convenient that this demonstration of the Religion of Peace came about just as the press was actually starting to take the kids in cages crisis seriously. Now they can step back and talk about mental illness and evil guns, while the kids in cages get a reprieve from scurtiny.

 

[2aguy]

Banning ownership would be wrong. Banning from places other than your own property or weapons ranges or hunting areas if they are allowed is another matter. We really do need to get AR-15 type weapons off the streets and out of the parking lots, but I enjoy shooting them on the range and believe you should be able to have anything you choose in your own home and on your property to defend your home and family all the way to the property line.

So do you think a sign saying “NO AR-15s or other assault weapons allowed“ would deter a mass shooter?

I live in Florida where you can’t carry a rifle or open carry a handgun in public. I have no problem abiding by those rules. I legally carry a handgun concealed in public.

Smart move on your part. Same here on the personal carry. There is nothing saying it is legal to open carry rifles. Somebody walking the parking lot with an AR-15, especially magazine in, attracts a lot of attention and should.

Open carry of a rifle is legal in Texas and in most states.

Does not change my mind. If everybody jumped off a 200 ft cliff, would you jump off, just because it was your right. I doubt it.

Depends on why I am jumping.

You can be afraid of guns all you want. That does not change what I do and how I behave.

you can try to shame me and others for their exercise of their natural and constitutional right. It does not and should not change how we behave.

Now, off is the general direction in which I wish you to fuck.

Who is afraid of guns, Booty? I was a trained weapons instructor on leterally every small arm the military had through the 90s, including grenade launchers and shoulder fired rockets, and of course crew served weapons systems, including 4 deuce mortar and M-60A3 main battle tank and rated expert in all the above. To this day, I keep enough weapons in various part of our home loaded and extra ammo with the goal of being able stand off a platoon size element for hours if it ever became necessary. Ordered a PSA 16" CHF standard 1:7 twist mid-length 5.56 NATO Premium AR-15 Upper from Palmetto State Armory, just yesterday morning to complete a build. You got the wrong guy. I do not fear weapons or explosives (yes, trained and qualified in that also back in the day), and it is with that training and experience, I can say without a doubt, training, qualification, and self discipline are or key to weapons safety and many in the civilian population particulary shouldn't even be trusted with potato gun, much less a fire arm on the streets. Don't expect people like me to get all tore up about your right to cowboy around town with weapons hanging all over your body, like an SF wannabe to show off you toys. Owning cool firepower, also does not change the way many behave. It takes more than plunking down the price of admission to own and that firepower should fall under sensible regulation.

Note: All gun banners never will say what "sensible" is.

Wrong. Many of us will and do and would be willing to go along with "sensible" regulation. We just cannot write it and enact it individually. That is why we have representative legislature. Problem is, legislature is in gridlock on the issue, and a lot of money is made on the issue. The issue has been demagogued to death and the only ones profiting from it are the NRA, the gun manufacturers, the lobbyists and selected politicians.

As soon as you go to the "NRA," gun manufacturers and lobbyists you show who you really are, just another gun grabber who doesn't understand the issues.

 

[jc456]

property, authority, etc., but even though I am all for socialism, sharing, group planning, etc., these all have to be local.
As soon as you centralize federally, it gets all taken over by some small, elite, power group that is totally corrupt.
Can't ever let that happen

That’s your downfall, you believe that nonsense. No such thing! Someone always has authority and in that belief you give up your power, bullshit

 

[jc456]

So some liberal extremist, Trump-Hating Whack-a-doodle with a Muslim-sounding name goes on a shooting spree, and Biden and the Democrats rush to use this as an excuse to strip LAW-ABIDING citizens of their 2nd Amendment Rights.

During the foreign-funded Democrat-supported domestic-terrorist violence of Antifa looting, pillaging, destroying, arsonist, raping, assaulting, and murdering Antifa terrorist acts in Democrat-run communities all over the country - that caused BILLIONS of dollars in damage and destroyed many Americans businesses / dreams...

Democrats arrested a couple for holding their legally-owned, Constitutionally protected personal weapons on their own property in front of their own house - in a 'Stand-Your Ground' state, to protect themselves and ther home from violent protestors who threatened their lives and threatened to burn down their House.

The trespassing terrorists were arrested for trespassing....and have already been released. The case by a liberal extremist AG against the couple is still on-going, has not been dropped, despite the fact that they did not do anything illegal and a bipartisan effort to get the charges dropped is on-going.

Biden and the Democrats, who are just screwing the majority of Americans as hard as they can as fast as they can have turned DC into the Iraqi 'Green Zone' defended by National Guard Troops because they are so deathly afraid that the Americans they are screwing and whose country they are turning into a 3rd-world socialist tyrannical country are going to rise up against them for what they are doing.

To ensure a successful revolt against their tyrannical transformation f this nation into a single-party Socialist state they HAVE to take the guns out of the hands of the people.

'Hell yes, we are coming after your AR-15s!'
- A bill has already been submitted by proven CCP Espionage Facilitator Diane Feinstein

Hell YES, we are coming for your guns. There was never any doubt.

Biden calls on Senate to pass gun control measures 'immediately' after Boulder shooting

President Biden on Tuesday implored the Senate to pass new gun control measures in the wake of a mass shooting that left 10 dead in Boulder, Colorado, this week.

www.foxnews.com

Gun control isn't a gun ban. No reasonable person should believe that's the case.

Its the start of a gun ban...if you think any of us are going to believe that the dems don't want a confiscation of all guns you have a lot to learn....we have been watching and listening to them for decades....

Obama tried to change opinions of guns by selling them to cartel members south of the border so they could do horrific things with them and turn us against the 2nd amendment...fast and furious didn't work...what will they do next?...maybe talk some Muslim nut into shooting up a store?....or some freak into shooting up a whore house?...

It was pretty convenient that this demonstration of the Religion of Peace came about just as the press was actually starting to take the kids in cages crisis seriously. Now they can step back and talk about mental illness and evil guns, while the kids in cages get a reprieve from scurtiny.

Reporter on nbc this morning, xiden team wouldn’t allow access to the facilities where the kids were! No objection though interesting as always

 

[White 6]

Who is afraid of guns, Booty? I was a trained weapons instructor on leterally every small arm the military had through the 90s, including grenade launchers and shoulder fired rockets, and of course crew served weapons systems, including 4 deuce mortar and M-60A3 main battle tank and rated expert in all the above. To this day, I keep enough weapons in various part of our home loaded and extra ammo with the goal of being able stand off a platoon size element for hours if it ever became necessary. Ordered a PSA 16" CHF standard 1:7 twist mid-length 5.56 NATO Premium AR-15 Upper from Palmetto State Armory, just yesterday morning to complete a build. You got the wrong guy. I do not fear weapons or explosives (yes, trained and qualified in that also back in the day), and it is with that training and experience, I can say without a doubt, training, qualification, and self discipline are or key to weapons safety and many in the civilian population particulary shouldn't even be trusted with potato gun, much less a fire arm on the streets. Don't expect people like me to get all tore up about your right to cowboy around town with weapons hanging all over your body, like an SF wannabe to show off you toys. Owning cool firepower, also does not change the way many behave. It takes more than plunking down the price of admission to own and that firepower should fall under sensible regulation.

you're afraid of something. Tell us what scares you then if not the gun, the gun is inanimate object.

Idiots scare me, as they are unpredictable. Same thing that keeps the pucker factor up on anybody that has been in charge of as many ranges and live qualifications as I. They can ruin your whole damn day, I swear.

At the prison the range the "instructor" said he would shoot anyone that pointed a gun at him. He also said hollow points were banned because they over penetrate.

You worked at a prison? He was not much of an instructor if he said hollow point were noted for over penetration. The whole point of using hollow points is so the projectile will mushroom on impact, slowing down, staying in the target, imparting all it's energy inside it without going all the way through endangering whoever or whatever is on the other side. For a carry round, I am pretty well set on Federal HST or LE for personal defense carry round in 124 grain and only use ball type ammo for range practice in 124 grain as ball type ammo is a lot less expensive compared to personal defense round, yet with same grain load have the same ballistics and kick to practice realigning on target for subsequent shots.

 

[miketx]

Who is afraid of guns, Booty? I was a trained weapons instructor on leterally every small arm the military had through the 90s, including grenade launchers and shoulder fired rockets, and of course crew served weapons systems, including 4 deuce mortar and M-60A3 main battle tank and rated expert in all the above. To this day, I keep enough weapons in various part of our home loaded and extra ammo with the goal of being able stand off a platoon size element for hours if it ever became necessary. Ordered a PSA 16" CHF standard 1:7 twist mid-length 5.56 NATO Premium AR-15 Upper from Palmetto State Armory, just yesterday morning to complete a build. You got the wrong guy. I do not fear weapons or explosives (yes, trained and qualified in that also back in the day), and it is with that training and experience, I can say without a doubt, training, qualification, and self discipline are or key to weapons safety and many in the civilian population particulary shouldn't even be trusted with potato gun, much less a fire arm on the streets. Don't expect people like me to get all tore up about your right to cowboy around town with weapons hanging all over your body, like an SF wannabe to show off you toys. Owning cool firepower, also does not change the way many behave. It takes more than plunking down the price of admission to own and that firepower should fall under sensible regulation.

you're afraid of something. Tell us what scares you then if not the gun, the gun is inanimate object.

Idiots scare me, as they are unpredictable. Same thing that keeps the pucker factor up on anybody that has been in charge of as many ranges and live qualifications as I. They can ruin your whole damn day, I swear.

At the prison the range the "instructor" said he would shoot anyone that pointed a gun at him. He also said hollow points were banned because they over penetrate.

You worked at a prison? He was not much of an instructor if he said hollow point were noted for over penetration. The whole point of using hollow points is so the projectile will mushroom on impact, slowing down, staying in the target, imparting all it's energy inside it without going all the way through endangering whoever or whatever is on the other side. For a carry round, I am pretty well set on Federal HST or LE for personal defense carry round in 124 grain and only use ball type ammo for range practice in 124 grain as ball type ammo is a lot less expensive compared to personal defense round, yet with same grain load have the same ballistics and kick to practice realigning on target for subsequent shots.

Many of the people they hired were idiots. One guy couldn't hit the target at 7 yards with a 4 inch 38.

 

[White 6]

Banning ownership would be wrong. Banning from places other than your own property or weapons ranges or hunting areas if they are allowed is another matter. We really do need to get AR-15 type weapons off the streets and out of the parking lots, but I enjoy shooting them on the range and believe you should be able to have anything you choose in your own home and on your property to defend your home and family all the way to the property line.

Why? Why do we need to ban AR-15 rifles....rifles that operate the same way as every other rifle, pistol and shotgun that is semi-automatic...........

There are 20 million of these rifles in private hands in the U.S. ..... knives are used to kill more people each and every year than these rifles......by about 5X.... Clubs and bare hands kill more people than these rifles....

There is no sane, rational reason to ban these rifles.....none.

They operate the same way as every other semi-automatic rifle, pistol and shotgun.....there is no difference.

The only reason anti-gun extremists want to ban the AR-15 is because it is their Trojan Horse.....they get people like you to parrot their irrational talking points....to get this rifle banned....

Then......they come back and say, you allowed us to ban the AR-15 because you agree it is dangerous.....we now get to ban every other semi-automatic pistol, rifle and shotgun because they are the same as the AR-15.......

You have no rational reason to ban these rifles....

We don't need to outright ban AR-15s or any other weapon, for that matter. They all have their place, but I have no problem with intelligent regulation. The one I am building is excellent for home defense or sport on the target range. I do not know about the hunting uses, because I do not hunt much anymore, since I really like the superior flavor and texture of the meats we buy from Kroger or Sam's Club. I do not even think we should ban large capacity magazines. Sitting around at a range table loading magazines is a pain the butt and time consuming of your range time, so better to load a thirty by far than 3 ten round mags. In an actual tactical situation, I prefer 20 round, even if I have to carry more magazines rather than a thirty round banana style, due to the way I hit the ground. I am lazy and hit the ground gun butt first with rifle align when I hit and do not like a magazine to possible take part of the impact hitting the ground as it could cause damage and misfire. I have been known to abuse a weapon or two in my time, but that is me. The AR-style weapons are the apple in the eye alright. People who know little about weapons have seen too many movies. There are other style rifles that load from a magazine, but they are always heavier and usually more expensive on average if they are worth a crap. If you ever carry one for 20 miles with ammo, you won't want to do it again unless you are being paid and somebody orders you to. It's why I branched Armor, cause never walk when you can ride, no matter what you carry. I say again though, AR's should not be banned, but properly regulated and have no place on the streets of cities and towns. But, that is just my opinion and not likely to change.

 

[miketx]

Banning ownership would be wrong. Banning from places other than your own property or weapons ranges or hunting areas if they are allowed is another matter. We really do need to get AR-15 type weapons off the streets and out of the parking lots, but I enjoy shooting them on the range and believe you should be able to have anything you choose in your own home and on your property to defend your home and family all the way to the property line.

Why? Why do we need to ban AR-15 rifles....rifles that operate the same way as every other rifle, pistol and shotgun that is semi-automatic...........

There are 20 million of these rifles in private hands in the U.S. ..... knives are used to kill more people each and every year than these rifles......by about 5X.... Clubs and bare hands kill more people than these rifles....

There is no sane, rational reason to ban these rifles.....none.

They operate the same way as every other semi-automatic rifle, pistol and shotgun.....there is no difference.

The only reason anti-gun extremists want to ban the AR-15 is because it is their Trojan Horse.....they get people like you to parrot their irrational talking points....to get this rifle banned....

Then......they come back and say, you allowed us to ban the AR-15 because you agree it is dangerous.....we now get to ban every other semi-automatic pistol, rifle and shotgun because they are the same as the AR-15.......

You have no rational reason to ban these rifles....

We don't need to outright ban AR-15s or any other weapon, for that matter. They all have their place, but I have no problem with intelligent regulation. The one I am building is excellent for home defense or sport on the target range. I do not know about the hunting uses, because I do not hunt much anymore, since I really like the superior flavor and texture of the meats we buy from Kroger or Sam's Club. I do not even think we should ban large capacity magazines. Sitting around at a range table loading magazines is a pain the butt and time consuming of your range time, so better to load a thirty by far than 3 ten round mags. In an actual tactical situation, I prefer 20 round, even if I have to carry more magazines rather than a thirty round banana style, due to the way I hit the ground. I am lazy and hit the ground gun butt first with rifle align when I hit and do not like a magazine to possible take part of the impact hitting the ground as it could cause damage and misfire. I have been known to abuse a weapon or two in my time, but that is me. The AR-style weapons are the apple in the eye alright. People who know little about weapons have seen too many movies. There are other style rifles that load from a magazine, but they are always heavier and usually more expensive on average if they are worth a crap. If you ever carry one for 20 miles with ammo, you won't want to do it again unless you are being paid and somebody orders you to. It's why I branched Armor, cause never walk when you can ride, no matter what you carry. I say again though, AR's should not be banned, but properly regulated and have no place on the streets of cities and towns. But, that is just my opinion and not likely to change.

Gun banners never explain "intelligent regulation".

 

[jc456]

but I have no problem with intelligent regulation.

like?

 

[WTH_Progs?]

No matter how the Democrats dress things up it's never good if you're Joe: Secret Service Agents Intervened in Hunter Biden Gun Incident: Report

 

[jc456]

properly regulated

what is that? define it.

 

[kaz]

but I have no problem with intelligent regulation.

like?

"Intelligent regulation" means he'll support whatever Democrats propose

 

[OKTexas]

Banning ownership would be wrong. Banning from places other than your own property or weapons ranges or hunting areas if they are allowed is another matter. We really do need to get AR-15 type weapons off the streets and out of the parking lots, but I enjoy shooting them on the range and believe you should be able to have anything you choose in your own home and on your property to defend your home and family all the way to the property line.

Why? Why do we need to ban AR-15 rifles....rifles that operate the same way as every other rifle, pistol and shotgun that is semi-automatic...........

There are 20 million of these rifles in private hands in the U.S. ..... knives are used to kill more people each and every year than these rifles......by about 5X.... Clubs and bare hands kill more people than these rifles....

There is no sane, rational reason to ban these rifles.....none.

They operate the same way as every other semi-automatic rifle, pistol and shotgun.....there is no difference.

The only reason anti-gun extremists want to ban the AR-15 is because it is their Trojan Horse.....they get people like you to parrot their irrational talking points....to get this rifle banned....

Then......they come back and say, you allowed us to ban the AR-15 because you agree it is dangerous.....we now get to ban every other semi-automatic pistol, rifle and shotgun because they are the same as the AR-15.......

You have no rational reason to ban these rifles....

We don't need to outright ban AR-15s or any other weapon, for that matter. They all have their place, but I have no problem with intelligent regulation. The one I am building is excellent for home defense or sport on the target range. I do not know about the hunting uses, because I do not hunt much anymore, since I really like the superior flavor and texture of the meats we buy from Kroger or Sam's Club. I do not even think we should ban large capacity magazines. Sitting around at a range table loading magazines is a pain the butt and time consuming of your range time, so better to load a thirty by far than 3 ten round mags. In an actual tactical situation, I prefer 20 round, even if I have to carry more magazines rather than a thirty round banana style, due to the way I hit the ground. I am lazy and hit the ground gun butt first with rifle align when I hit and do not like a magazine to possible take part of the impact hitting the ground as it could cause damage and misfire. I have been known to abuse a weapon or two in my time, but that is me. The AR-style weapons are the apple in the eye alright. People who know little about weapons have seen too many movies. There are other style rifles that load from a magazine, but they are always heavier and usually more expensive on average if they are worth a crap. If you ever carry one for 20 miles with ammo, you won't want to do it again unless you are being paid and somebody orders you to. It's why I branched Armor, cause never walk when you can ride, no matter what you carry. I say again though, AR's should not be banned, but properly regulated and have no place on the streets of cities and towns. But, that is just my opinion and not likely to change.

Define "properly regulated".

.

 

[jc456]

Banning ownership would be wrong. Banning from places other than your own property or weapons ranges or hunting areas if they are allowed is another matter. We really do need to get AR-15 type weapons off the streets and out of the parking lots, but I enjoy shooting them on the range and believe you should be able to have anything you choose in your own home and on your property to defend your home and family all the way to the property line.

Why? Why do we need to ban AR-15 rifles....rifles that operate the same way as every other rifle, pistol and shotgun that is semi-automatic...........

There are 20 million of these rifles in private hands in the U.S. ..... knives are used to kill more people each and every year than these rifles......by about 5X.... Clubs and bare hands kill more people than these rifles....

There is no sane, rational reason to ban these rifles.....none.

They operate the same way as every other semi-automatic rifle, pistol and shotgun.....there is no difference.

The only reason anti-gun extremists want to ban the AR-15 is because it is their Trojan Horse.....they get people like you to parrot their irrational talking points....to get this rifle banned....

Then......they come back and say, you allowed us to ban the AR-15 because you agree it is dangerous.....we now get to ban every other semi-automatic pistol, rifle and shotgun because they are the same as the AR-15.......

You have no rational reason to ban these rifles....

We don't need to outright ban AR-15s or any other weapon, for that matter. They all have their place, but I have no problem with intelligent regulation. The one I am building is excellent for home defense or sport on the target range. I do not know about the hunting uses, because I do not hunt much anymore, since I really like the superior flavor and texture of the meats we buy from Kroger or Sam's Club. I do not even think we should ban large capacity magazines. Sitting around at a range table loading magazines is a pain the butt and time consuming of your range time, so better to load a thirty by far than 3 ten round mags. In an actual tactical situation, I prefer 20 round, even if I have to carry more magazines rather than a thirty round banana style, due to the way I hit the ground. I am lazy and hit the ground gun butt first with rifle align when I hit and do not like a magazine to possible take part of the impact hitting the ground as it could cause damage and misfire. I have been known to abuse a weapon or two in my time, but that is me. The AR-style weapons are the apple in the eye alright. People who know little about weapons have seen too many movies. There are other style rifles that load from a magazine, but they are always heavier and usually more expensive on average if they are worth a crap. If you ever carry one for 20 miles with ammo, you won't want to do it again unless you are being paid and somebody orders you to. It's why I branched Armor, cause never walk when you can ride, no matter what you carry. I say again though, AR's should not be banned, but properly regulated and have no place on the streets of cities and towns. But, that is just my opinion and not likely to change.

Define "properly regulated".

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he thinks changing the word from control to regulate means something different. demoturds will be demoturds.

 

[Mac-7]

Nobody's looking to take away your pop-guns, Mister Paranoid.

 

[miketx]

The States have had 230+ years to figure this out and they're still screwing-up.

Time to either (a) take control away from them or (b) issue Federal guidelines that each State must comply with.

Not to take guns away.... not to infringe upon rights... but to save lives by ensuring that the "militia" is "well regulated" with respect to firearms.

* Federal database accessible to both law enforcement and private citizens
* Federal identification number for each firearm owner
* Federal identification number for each firearm
* Federal identification number for each approved firearms transfer ( sale, inheritance, loan, etc. )
* Mandatory waiting period for all transfers ( no more same-day transfers, including gun-shows )
* Federal Red Flagging of citizens prohibited from possessing firearms ( and related mechanisms for disputing or removing or renewing )
* Federal enforcement of Federal standards in jurisdictions designated as not complying with Federal statute on the subject
* No transfers ( sale, inheritance, loan, etc. ) without a Federal transaction-approval number
* Limits on the number of firearms ( a half-dozen?) that any single citizen can own
* Limits on the amount of ammunition ( a couple of hundred rounds per weapon? ) that any single citizen can own
* Limits on the capacity of magazines ( twenty rounds? thirty? ) for any repeating weapon
* Standards for secure storage and transportation of weapons and ammunition
* Mandatory Federal background investigation prior to issuing a license - with provision for periodic (once every 2-3 renewals?) refresh
* Mandatory training for any class of weapons owned - Federal standards for training content and testing and periodic ( every 10 years? ) refresher
* Refusal or revocation of license or registration to felons or mental defectives - and seizure of weapons owned by same - permanent or temporary
* Seizure of weapons from suspects in violent-crime cases (automatic)
* Seizure of weapons from those reported to have psychological illness ( court warrant required )
* Seizure of weapons from those in violation of licensing or registration or ownership regulations ( court warrant required )
* Compensation for cash value of related items seized for non-criminal cases
* Death penalty for those convicted of intentional killing of another human being using a firearm
* Long prison sentences for those convicted of non-accidental non-lethal injury to another human being using a firearm
* Long prison sentences for any other crime committed using a firearm
* Medium prison sentences for anyone found in possession of a firearm without license or registration ( allowance made for late renewals, etc. )

The same crap pulled by every country that ever stripped their citizens of their ability to defend themselves.

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Nobody's looking to take away your pop-guns, Mister Paranoid.

What makes you keep lying like that?

 

[White 6]

Banning ownership would be wrong. Banning from places other than your own property or weapons ranges or hunting areas if they are allowed is another matter. We really do need to get AR-15 type weapons off the streets and out of the parking lots, but I enjoy shooting them on the range and believe you should be able to have anything you choose in your own home and on your property to defend your home and family all the way to the property line.

Why? Why do we need to ban AR-15 rifles....rifles that operate the same way as every other rifle, pistol and shotgun that is semi-automatic...........

There are 20 million of these rifles in private hands in the U.S. ..... knives are used to kill more people each and every year than these rifles......by about 5X.... Clubs and bare hands kill more people than these rifles....

There is no sane, rational reason to ban these rifles.....none.

They operate the same way as every other semi-automatic rifle, pistol and shotgun.....there is no difference.

The only reason anti-gun extremists want to ban the AR-15 is because it is their Trojan Horse.....they get people like you to parrot their irrational talking points....to get this rifle banned....

Then......they come back and say, you allowed us to ban the AR-15 because you agree it is dangerous.....we now get to ban every other semi-automatic pistol, rifle and shotgun because they are the same as the AR-15.......

You have no rational reason to ban these rifles....

We don't need to outright ban AR-15s or any other weapon, for that matter. They all have their place, but I have no problem with intelligent regulation. The one I am building is excellent for home defense or sport on the target range. I do not know about the hunting uses, because I do not hunt much anymore, since I really like the superior flavor and texture of the meats we buy from Kroger or Sam's Club. I do not even think we should ban large capacity magazines. Sitting around at a range table loading magazines is a pain the butt and time consuming of your range time, so better to load a thirty by far than 3 ten round mags. In an actual tactical situation, I prefer 20 round, even if I have to carry more magazines rather than a thirty round banana style, due to the way I hit the ground. I am lazy and hit the ground gun butt first with rifle align when I hit and do not like a magazine to possible take part of the impact hitting the ground as it could cause damage and misfire. I have been known to abuse a weapon or two in my time, but that is me. The AR-style weapons are the apple in the eye alright. People who know little about weapons have seen too many movies. There are other style rifles that load from a magazine, but they are always heavier and usually more expensive on average if they are worth a crap. If you ever carry one for 20 miles with ammo, you won't want to do it again unless you are being paid and somebody orders you to. It's why I branched Armor, cause never walk when you can ride, no matter what you carry. I say again though, AR's should not be banned, but properly regulated and have no place on the streets of cities and towns. But, that is just my opinion and not likely to change.

Gun banners never explain "intelligent regulation".

If I meet one, I'll ask him. How's that?

 

[miketx]

Banning ownership would be wrong. Banning from places other than your own property or weapons ranges or hunting areas if they are allowed is another matter. We really do need to get AR-15 type weapons off the streets and out of the parking lots, but I enjoy shooting them on the range and believe you should be able to have anything you choose in your own home and on your property to defend your home and family all the way to the property line.

Why? Why do we need to ban AR-15 rifles....rifles that operate the same way as every other rifle, pistol and shotgun that is semi-automatic...........

There are 20 million of these rifles in private hands in the U.S. ..... knives are used to kill more people each and every year than these rifles......by about 5X.... Clubs and bare hands kill more people than these rifles....

There is no sane, rational reason to ban these rifles.....none.

They operate the same way as every other semi-automatic rifle, pistol and shotgun.....there is no difference.

The only reason anti-gun extremists want to ban the AR-15 is because it is their Trojan Horse.....they get people like you to parrot their irrational talking points....to get this rifle banned....

Then......they come back and say, you allowed us to ban the AR-15 because you agree it is dangerous.....we now get to ban every other semi-automatic pistol, rifle and shotgun because they are the same as the AR-15.......

You have no rational reason to ban these rifles....

We don't need to outright ban AR-15s or any other weapon, for that matter. They all have their place, but I have no problem with intelligent regulation. The one I am building is excellent for home defense or sport on the target range. I do not know about the hunting uses, because I do not hunt much anymore, since I really like the superior flavor and texture of the meats we buy from Kroger or Sam's Club. I do not even think we should ban large capacity magazines. Sitting around at a range table loading magazines is a pain the butt and time consuming of your range time, so better to load a thirty by far than 3 ten round mags. In an actual tactical situation, I prefer 20 round, even if I have to carry more magazines rather than a thirty round banana style, due to the way I hit the ground. I am lazy and hit the ground gun butt first with rifle align when I hit and do not like a magazine to possible take part of the impact hitting the ground as it could cause damage and misfire. I have been known to abuse a weapon or two in my time, but that is me. The AR-style weapons are the apple in the eye alright. People who know little about weapons have seen too many movies. There are other style rifles that load from a magazine, but they are always heavier and usually more expensive on average if they are worth a crap. If you ever carry one for 20 miles with ammo, you won't want to do it again unless you are being paid and somebody orders you to. It's why I branched Armor, cause never walk when you can ride, no matter what you carry. I say again though, AR's should not be banned, but properly regulated and have no place on the streets of cities and towns. But, that is just my opinion and not likely to change.

Gun banners never explain "intelligent regulation".

If I meet one, I'll ask him. How's that?

It's what I expected your gun banning hide to say.