Biden Calls For A Gun Ban After Colorado Shooting

[WTF19]

Sure. I don't disagree but I was addressing the statement about "banning Muslims" from owning guns. Would they not do the same thing?

My suggestion about banning Muslims from being able to own weapons in the US, of course, was posted in JEST....but the idea of making it illegal for LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS from owning weapons, to strip LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS of their 2nd Amendment Rights is just as stupid / wrong, IF NOT MORE SO.

So why not propose things that might actually work as opposed to proposals made in jest?

I agree we need to create programs that allow people who need mental health services available to them. You can't do that though when one fights against any and all expanded health care programs.

I support ending all gun ownership laws and enact UHC and start a conversation about what we can do about those with obvious mental health issues especially those who have shown a propensity to violence.

i support not owning--knives,--butter, paring, steak...or owning cars, people kill people w/cars, or stopping for a hot cup of coffee-you may spill it and kill someone....
honestly, i support putting people w/ mental health issues, and people that only see 1 side of the BIG picture (hint,hint) in the "duh" wards until they realize there is always (AT LEAST) 2 sides to everything.
take the blinders off and LEARN instead of spewing total crap

How about telling me where you disagree as opposed to simply ranting?

ok...i disagree with idiots like you, who live just to condemn everything, and anybody ...grow up...if you dont like something, dont partake in it...quit your fucking whining

I explained my position. You ranted.

Bravo.

sorry dick-lick...i made my point, you dont like it, so you call it a rant..you are really a delusional shit stain.
i explained my position, and you respond by spewing bullshit...so, when you locate a brain, get back to me. until then, what you spew has no bearing in the real world.
condemn this comment, ill be waiting

I quit responding to juvenile rants.

i enjoy your deflection, its noted. when you graduate kindergarten , come back, i'll need more laughs

 

[freyasman]

Banning ownership would be wrong. Banning from places other than your own property or weapons ranges or hunting areas if they are allowed is another matter. We really do need to get AR-15 type weapons off the streets and out of the parking lots, but I enjoy shooting them on the range and believe you should be able to have anything you choose in your own home and on your property to defend your home and family all the way to the property line.

So do you think a sign saying “NO AR-15s or other assault weapons allowed“ would deter a mass shooter?

I live in Florida where you can’t carry a rifle or open carry a handgun in public. I have no problem abiding by those rules. I legally carry a handgun concealed in public.

Smart move on your part. Same here on the personal carry. There is nothing saying it is legal to open carry rifles. Somebody walking the parking lot with an AR-15, especially magazine in, attracts a lot of attention and should.

Open carry of a rifle is legal in Texas and in most states.

Does not change my mind. If everybody jumped off a 200 ft cliff, would you jump off, just because it was your right. I doubt it.

Depends on why I am jumping.

You can be afraid of guns all you want. That does not change what I do and how I behave.

you can try to shame me and others for their exercise of their natural and constitutional right. It does not and should not change how we behave.

Now, off is the general direction in which I wish you to fuck.

Who is afraid of guns, Booty? I was a trained weapons instructor on leterally every small arm the military had through the 90s, including grenade launchers and shoulder fired rockets, and of course crew served weapons systems, including 4 deuce mortar and M-60A3 main battle tank and rated expert in all the above. To this day, I keep enough weapons in various part of our home loaded and extra ammo with the goal of being able stand off a platoon size element for hours if it ever became necessary. Ordered a PSA 16" CHF standard 1:7 twist mid-length 5.56 NATO Premium AR-15 Upper from Palmetto State Armory, just yesterday morning to complete a build. You got the wrong guy. I do not fear weapons or explosives (yes, trained and qualified in that also back in the day), and it is with that training and experience, I can say without a doubt, training, qualification, and self discipline are or key to weapons safety and many in the civilian population particulary shouldn't even be trusted with potato gun, much less a fire arm on the streets. Don't expect people like me to get all tore up about your right to cowboy around town with weapons hanging all over your body, like an SF wannabe to show off you toys. Owning cool firepower, also does not change the way many behave. It takes more than plunking down the price of admission to own and that firepower should fall under sensible regulation.

Note: All gun banners never will say what "sensible" is.

They want no guns owned by law abiding citizens.

they don't want law abiding citizens to protect themselves, that's what the movement is. defund police and take away your self defense and put you in concentration camps like the nazi's did. It is the nazi demofks way or no way movement. Anyone that actually has a brain knows that. KNOWS THAT

Scared people are easier to bullshit and control.

 

[freyasman]

Who is afraid of guns, Booty? I was a trained weapons instructor on leterally every small arm the military had through the 90s, including grenade launchers and shoulder fired rockets, and of course crew served weapons systems, including 4 deuce mortar and M-60A3 main battle tank and rated expert in all the above. To this day, I keep enough weapons in various part of our home loaded and extra ammo with the goal of being able stand off a platoon size element for hours if it ever became necessary. Ordered a PSA 16" CHF standard 1:7 twist mid-length 5.56 NATO Premium AR-15 Upper from Palmetto State Armory, just yesterday morning to complete a build. You got the wrong guy. I do not fear weapons or explosives (yes, trained and qualified in that also back in the day), and it is with that training and experience, I can say without a doubt, training, qualification, and self discipline are or key to weapons safety and many in the civilian population particulary shouldn't even be trusted with potato gun, much less a fire arm on the streets. Don't expect people like me to get all tore up about your right to cowboy around town with weapons hanging all over your body, like an SF wannabe to show off you toys. Owning cool firepower, also does not change the way many behave. It takes more than plunking down the price of admission to own and that firepower should fall under sensible regulation.

you're afraid of something. Tell us what scares you then if not the gun, the gun is inanimate object.

Idiots scare me, as they are unpredictable. Same thing that keeps the pucker factor up on anybody that has been in charge of as many ranges and live qualifications as I. They can ruin your whole damn day, I swear.

Freedom ain't safe, and it's never going to be.



But it's always better.

 

[InspectorDetector]

properly regulated

what is that? define it.

Indeed. I continually ask the fascist left what "properly regulated" is.....they have yet to answer me.

NOWHERE in the Second Amendment do the words "properly regulated" appear.

Now, in the text of the second - it states a "well" regulated means nothing more than a well-trained militia - the militia being THE PEOPLE.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

To the left - regulated means - control. Sorry lefties, the SCOTUS absolutely disagrees with you...........

 

[InspectorDetector]

Who is afraid of guns, Booty? I was a trained weapons instructor on leterally every small arm the military had through the 90s, including grenade launchers and shoulder fired rockets, and of course crew served weapons systems, including 4 deuce mortar and M-60A3 main battle tank and rated expert in all the above. To this day, I keep enough weapons in various part of our home loaded and extra ammo with the goal of being able stand off a platoon size element for hours if it ever became necessary. Ordered a PSA 16" CHF standard 1:7 twist mid-length 5.56 NATO Premium AR-15 Upper from Palmetto State Armory, just yesterday morning to complete a build. You got the wrong guy. I do not fear weapons or explosives (yes, trained and qualified in that also back in the day), and it is with that training and experience, I can say without a doubt, training, qualification, and self discipline are or key to weapons safety and many in the civilian population particulary shouldn't even be trusted with potato gun, much less a fire arm on the streets. Don't expect people like me to get all tore up about your right to cowboy around town with weapons hanging all over your body, like an SF wannabe to show off you toys. Owning cool firepower, also does not change the way many behave. It takes more than plunking down the price of admission to own and that firepower should fall under sensible regulation.

you're afraid of something. Tell us what scares you then if not the gun, the gun is inanimate object.

Idiots scare me, as they are unpredictable. Same thing that keeps the pucker factor up on anybody that has been in charge of as many ranges and live qualifications as I. They can ruin your whole damn day, I swear.

Freedom ain't safe, and it's never going to be.



But it's always better.

I'll take FREEDOM any day of the week

 

[Rigby5]

property, authority, etc., but even though I am all for socialism, sharing, group planning, etc., these all have to be local.
As soon as you centralize federally, it gets all taken over by some small, elite, power group that is totally corrupt.
Can't ever let that happen

That’s your downfall, you believe that nonsense. No such thing! Someone always has authority and in that belief you give up your power, bullshit

Not sure what you mean, but the point is that all humans are socialist, but do so voluntarily when its local.
You only have oppression when it is force by a remote power.
It is that remote power we can not let control us, regardless if we locally want to be socialist or capitalist.

If you look at how humans lived in primitive tribes for millions of years, it had to always be socialist.
When one person is successful in the hunt, everyone else stops hunting and the game is shared.
That is because it would be hard to preserve and if everyone had to have a successful hunt, local game would quickly disappear. Humans evolved to be socialist. We have to be willing to die in order to protect the young and weak.
Authority can never be allowed to be imposed by force. That is always opposite of human nature.

 

[Rigby5]

The original and true meaning of "regulate" is to facilitate, as in "keep regular".
For example, the federal goal in regulating interstate commerce is to prevent any one state from interfering with interstate commerce. Regulating interstate commerce in no way implies impeding it in any way.

 

[dudmuck]

property, authority, etc., but even though I am all for socialism, sharing, group planning, etc., these all have to be local.
As soon as you centralize federally, it gets all taken over by some small, elite, power group that is totally corrupt.
Can't ever let that happen

That’s your downfall, you believe that nonsense. No such thing! Someone always has authority and in that belief you give up your power, bullshit

Not sure what you mean, but the point is that all humans are socialist, but do so voluntarily when its local.
You only have oppression when it is force by a remote power.
It is that remote power we can not let control us, regardless if we locally want to be socialist or capitalist.

If you look at how humans lived in primitive tribes for millions of years, it had to always be socialist.
When one person is successful in the hunt, everyone else stops hunting and the game is shared.
That is because it would be hard to preserve and if everyone had to have a successful hunt, local game would quickly disappear. Humans evolved to be socialist. We have to be willing to die in order to protect the young and weak.
Authority can never be allowed to be imposed by force. That is always opposite of human nature.

youre describing communal living, not socialism.

Socialism is just democracy in the workplace. Some people call it "workers self-management", but its the same thing.

 

[freyasman]

Banning ownership would be wrong. Banning from places other than your own property or weapons ranges or hunting areas if they are allowed is another matter. We really do need to get AR-15 type weapons off the streets and out of the parking lots, but I enjoy shooting them on the range and believe you should be able to have anything you choose in your own home and on your property to defend your home and family all the way to the property line.

So do you think a sign saying “NO AR-15s or other assault weapons allowed“ would deter a mass shooter?

I live in Florida where you can’t carry a rifle or open carry a handgun in public. I have no problem abiding by those rules. I legally carry a handgun concealed in public.

Smart move on your part. Same here on the personal carry. There is nothing saying it is legal to open carry rifles. Somebody walking the parking lot with an AR-15, especially magazine in, attracts a lot of attention and should.

Open carry of a rifle is legal in Texas and in most states.

Does not change my mind. If everybody jumped off a 200 ft cliff, would you jump off, just because it was your right. I doubt it.

Depends on why I am jumping.

You can be afraid of guns all you want. That does not change what I do and how I behave.

you can try to shame me and others for their exercise of their natural and constitutional right. It does not and should not change how we behave.

Now, off is the general direction in which I wish you to fuck.

Who is afraid of guns, Booty? I was a trained weapons instructor on leterally every small arm the military had through the 90s, including grenade launchers and shoulder fired rockets, and of course crew served weapons systems, including 4 deuce mortar and M-60A3 main battle tank and rated expert in all the above. To this day, I keep enough weapons in various part of our home loaded and extra ammo with the goal of being able stand off a platoon size element for hours if it ever became necessary. Ordered a PSA 16" CHF standard 1:7 twist mid-length 5.56 NATO Premium AR-15 Upper from Palmetto State Armory, just yesterday morning to complete a build. You got the wrong guy. I do not fear weapons or explosives (yes, trained and qualified in that also back in the day), and it is with that training and experience, I can say without a doubt, training, qualification, and self discipline are or key to weapons safety and many in the civilian population particulary shouldn't even be trusted with potato gun, much less a fire arm on the streets. Don't expect people like me to get all tore up about your right to cowboy around town with weapons hanging all over your body, like an SF wannabe to show off you toys. Owning cool firepower, also does not change the way many behave. It takes more than plunking down the price of admission to own and that firepower should fall under sensible regulation.

I don't disagree that ALL PEOPLE should have MANDATORY gun training. I believe that is part of the DUTY of every citizen.

It still does not change the FACT that gun regulation is unconstitutional and a violation of the unalienable right to self defense of any kind.

YOU OF ALL PEOPLE should understand that.

The solution is not more regulation of the tools. That will NEVER work to do anything but FURTHER erode the unalienable right.

Bootney, you know darn well many of our fellow citizens are not willing to do what you and I regard as part of the DUTY of every citizen. You and I differ on the importance of the words "well regulated" in the second amendment. You probably had some time in service and seen it done correctly. Most have not and are really clueless, especially if not raised with weapons for hunting and sport from an early age by a father that had been properly trained. I think your a Texan and probably had that benefit, also. I understand your interpretation of the amendment, having heard it and discussed it before. We just disagree because times have changed since the 1790s, population density has changed, weaponry has changed also. I don't fear the red hoard taking over the country as people did in the 50s or that some idiot president will listen to his disgraced General and declare martial law. Uncle Sugar is not coming for my weapons or yours either. Responsible ownership and use requires some amount of regulation and training.

Uncle Sugar is coming for our guns, our money, our property, our children, and everything else we have because it is the nature of all governments to do so........ government is corruption. It is power, and force, and it is always in the hands of men who should not have it, because men of character and integrity avoid government office like most people avoid the plague (a real plague, not this covid bullshit.)


For example;

Missouri Family Court Corruption: The Fathers Tell All

pjmedia.com

Stuff like this goes on in every government agency, at every level, and people need to stop pretending otherwise.
How many times do they need to lie to you, and steal from you, before your realize they are liars and thieves?

 

[White 6]

but I have no problem with intelligent regulation.

like?

I would have thorough background checks on all weapon transfer by sale or otherwise, across the board except within direct family.
There would be no rifles or shotguns on the streets of cities or town publicly carried other than for purchase or or maintenance and no magazine in the weapon even then. Only allowing in the home for home defense or on personal property and to and from ranges outside the city on private land, target practice on private land with owner permission or for hunting, but not on the city streets on some jackoff's shoulder locked and loaded.
I would favor carry permit after training and testing to same extent as I already have and is done in the at least 23 other states that recognize my permit, only I think all American citizens should have the same right and opportunity under the same restrictions to have access to the same training and process and regulations now in place here with out the interference of elected local politician. If somebody wants a gun free city, let them go out and buy a bunch land and build it on their own private property. Won't bother me, but I would never move there. One thing for sure, if you cannot guarantee 100% from criminals and morons with guns, you got no business banning guns and there is no way in hell you can guarantee that.
I would limit the number of weapons a person other than a licensed registered gun dealer can build and sell without becoming registered gun dealer and their builds would be required to be uniquely identifiable, instead of it being a closet side closet side hustle for people like me, who know how, to do it as unregulated business in trafficking arms. Not that I have ever built one for anybody else.
I am no fan of open carry side arms, from a tactical stand point as I am against intimidating the straights more than necessary, but I can live with it, after all, I have got mine, so not intimidated. I just prefer concealed carry personally.
Did that give you enough to bitch about?

 

[White 6]

but I have no problem with intelligent regulation.

like?

"Intelligent regulation" means he'll support whatever Democrats propose

Bull. Some of those idiots would want to ban all guns. Don't look for me to give up mine.

 

[freyasman]

Who is afraid of guns, Booty? I was a trained weapons instructor on leterally every small arm the military had through the 90s, including grenade launchers and shoulder fired rockets, and of course crew served weapons systems, including 4 deuce mortar and M-60A3 main battle tank and rated expert in all the above. To this day, I keep enough weapons in various part of our home loaded and extra ammo with the goal of being able stand off a platoon size element for hours if it ever became necessary. Ordered a PSA 16" CHF standard 1:7 twist mid-length 5.56 NATO Premium AR-15 Upper from Palmetto State Armory, just yesterday morning to complete a build. You got the wrong guy. I do not fear weapons or explosives (yes, trained and qualified in that also back in the day), and it is with that training and experience, I can say without a doubt, training, qualification, and self discipline are or key to weapons safety and many in the civilian population particulary shouldn't even be trusted with potato gun, much less a fire arm on the streets. Don't expect people like me to get all tore up about your right to cowboy around town with weapons hanging all over your body, like an SF wannabe to show off you toys. Owning cool firepower, also does not change the way many behave. It takes more than plunking down the price of admission to own and that firepower should fall under sensible regulation.

you're afraid of something. Tell us what scares you then if not the gun, the gun is inanimate object.

Idiots scare me, as they are unpredictable. Same thing that keeps the pucker factor up on anybody that has been in charge of as many ranges and live qualifications as I. They can ruin your whole damn day, I swear.

At the prison the range the "instructor" said he would shoot anyone that pointed a gun at him. He also said hollow points were banned because they over penetrate.

You worked at a prison? He was not much of an instructor if he said hollow point were noted for over penetration. The whole point of using hollow points is so the projectile will mushroom on impact, slowing down, staying in the target, imparting all it's energy inside it without going all the way through endangering whoever or whatever is on the other side. For a carry round, I am pretty well set on Federal HST or LE for personal defense carry round in 124 grain and only use ball type ammo for range practice in 124 grain as ball type ammo is a lot less expensive compared to personal defense round, yet with same grain load have the same ballistics and kick to practice realigning on target for subsequent shots.

I carry a 357 sig, but I do have a 9mm spare, and I use Georgia Arms 124 gr JHPs for carry ammo in the 9. Basically just Gold Dots.

The older I get, the less I worry about this stuff, though..... I have run into some old South African and Central and South American cops who have been in more shootouts than most entire big city police departments here in the states, and very few of those gunfighters ever used anything but ball ammo, because that's all they had.

 

[White 6]

Banning ownership would be wrong. Banning from places other than your own property or weapons ranges or hunting areas if they are allowed is another matter. We really do need to get AR-15 type weapons off the streets and out of the parking lots, but I enjoy shooting them on the range and believe you should be able to have anything you choose in your own home and on your property to defend your home and family all the way to the property line.

So do you think a sign saying “NO AR-15s or other assault weapons allowed“ would deter a mass shooter?

I live in Florida where you can’t carry a rifle or open carry a handgun in public. I have no problem abiding by those rules. I legally carry a handgun concealed in public.

Smart move on your part. Same here on the personal carry. There is nothing saying it is legal to open carry rifles. Somebody walking the parking lot with an AR-15, especially magazine in, attracts a lot of attention and should.

Open carry of a rifle is legal in Texas and in most states.

Does not change my mind. If everybody jumped off a 200 ft cliff, would you jump off, just because it was your right. I doubt it.

Depends on why I am jumping.

You can be afraid of guns all you want. That does not change what I do and how I behave.

you can try to shame me and others for their exercise of their natural and constitutional right. It does not and should not change how we behave.

Now, off is the general direction in which I wish you to fuck.

Who is afraid of guns, Booty? I was a trained weapons instructor on leterally every small arm the military had through the 90s, including grenade launchers and shoulder fired rockets, and of course crew served weapons systems, including 4 deuce mortar and M-60A3 main battle tank and rated expert in all the above. To this day, I keep enough weapons in various part of our home loaded and extra ammo with the goal of being able stand off a platoon size element for hours if it ever became necessary. Ordered a PSA 16" CHF standard 1:7 twist mid-length 5.56 NATO Premium AR-15 Upper from Palmetto State Armory, just yesterday morning to complete a build. You got the wrong guy. I do not fear weapons or explosives (yes, trained and qualified in that also back in the day), and it is with that training and experience, I can say without a doubt, training, qualification, and self discipline are or key to weapons safety and many in the civilian population particulary shouldn't even be trusted with potato gun, much less a fire arm on the streets. Don't expect people like me to get all tore up about your right to cowboy around town with weapons hanging all over your body, like an SF wannabe to show off you toys. Owning cool firepower, also does not change the way many behave. It takes more than plunking down the price of admission to own and that firepower should fall under sensible regulation.

I don't disagree that ALL PEOPLE should have MANDATORY gun training. I believe that is part of the DUTY of every citizen.

It still does not change the FACT that gun regulation is unconstitutional and a violation of the unalienable right to self defense of any kind.

YOU OF ALL PEOPLE should understand that.

The solution is not more regulation of the tools. That will NEVER work to do anything but FURTHER erode the unalienable right.

Bootney, you know darn well many of our fellow citizens are not willing to do what you and I regard as part of the DUTY of every citizen. You and I differ on the importance of the words "well regulated" in the second amendment. You probably had some time in service and seen it done correctly. Most have not and are really clueless, especially if not raised with weapons for hunting and sport from an early age by a father that had been properly trained. I think your a Texan and probably had that benefit, also. I understand your interpretation of the amendment, having heard it and discussed it before. We just disagree because times have changed since the 1790s, population density has changed, weaponry has changed also. I don't fear the red hoard taking over the country as people did in the 50s or that some idiot president will listen to his disgraced General and declare martial law. Uncle Sugar is not coming for my weapons or yours either. Responsible ownership and use requires some amount of regulation and training.

Uncle Sugar is coming for our guns, our money, our property, our children, and everything else we have because it is the nature of all governments to do so........ government is corruption. It is power, and force, and it is always in the hands of men who should not have it, because men of character and integrity avoid government office like most people avoid the plague (a real plague, not this covid bullshit.)


For example;

Missouri Family Court Corruption: The Fathers Tell All

pjmedia.com

Stuff like this goes on in every government agency, at every level, and people need to stop pretending otherwise.
How many times do they need to lie to you, and steal from you, before your realize they are liars and thieves?

I just had four years of DJT who lied like a rug and wanted to the right to vote and the representative vote be counted, so I already know they bear watching no matter who or what party is in there. Glance at your PJ Needsya story, not my most trusted media and it went off into the weeds on family court in Missouri, not weapons regulation. You using it is just double talk, dude. Maybe I'll go down that rabbit hole with you some other time.

 

[jc456]

Banning ownership would be wrong. Banning from places other than your own property or weapons ranges or hunting areas if they are allowed is another matter. We really do need to get AR-15 type weapons off the streets and out of the parking lots, but I enjoy shooting them on the range and believe you should be able to have anything you choose in your own home and on your property to defend your home and family all the way to the property line.

So do you think a sign saying “NO AR-15s or other assault weapons allowed“ would deter a mass shooter?

I live in Florida where you can’t carry a rifle or open carry a handgun in public. I have no problem abiding by those rules. I legally carry a handgun concealed in public.

Smart move on your part. Same here on the personal carry. There is nothing saying it is legal to open carry rifles. Somebody walking the parking lot with an AR-15, especially magazine in, attracts a lot of attention and should.

Open carry of a rifle is legal in Texas and in most states.

Does not change my mind. If everybody jumped off a 200 ft cliff, would you jump off, just because it was your right. I doubt it.

Depends on why I am jumping.

You can be afraid of guns all you want. That does not change what I do and how I behave.

you can try to shame me and others for their exercise of their natural and constitutional right. It does not and should not change how we behave.

Now, off is the general direction in which I wish you to fuck.

Who is afraid of guns, Booty? I was a trained weapons instructor on leterally every small arm the military had through the 90s, including grenade launchers and shoulder fired rockets, and of course crew served weapons systems, including 4 deuce mortar and M-60A3 main battle tank and rated expert in all the above. To this day, I keep enough weapons in various part of our home loaded and extra ammo with the goal of being able stand off a platoon size element for hours if it ever became necessary. Ordered a PSA 16" CHF standard 1:7 twist mid-length 5.56 NATO Premium AR-15 Upper from Palmetto State Armory, just yesterday morning to complete a build. You got the wrong guy. I do not fear weapons or explosives (yes, trained and qualified in that also back in the day), and it is with that training and experience, I can say without a doubt, training, qualification, and self discipline are or key to weapons safety and many in the civilian population particulary shouldn't even be trusted with potato gun, much less a fire arm on the streets. Don't expect people like me to get all tore up about your right to cowboy around town with weapons hanging all over your body, like an SF wannabe to show off you toys. Owning cool firepower, also does not change the way many behave. It takes more than plunking down the price of admission to own and that firepower should fall under sensible regulation.

I don't disagree that ALL PEOPLE should have MANDATORY gun training. I believe that is part of the DUTY of every citizen.

It still does not change the FACT that gun regulation is unconstitutional and a violation of the unalienable right to self defense of any kind.

YOU OF ALL PEOPLE should understand that.

The solution is not more regulation of the tools. That will NEVER work to do anything but FURTHER erode the unalienable right.

Bootney, you know darn well many of our fellow citizens are not willing to do what you and I regard as part of the DUTY of every citizen. You and I differ on the importance of the words "well regulated" in the second amendment. You probably had some time in service and seen it done correctly. Most have not and are really clueless, especially if not raised with weapons for hunting and sport from an early age by a father that had been properly trained. I think your a Texan and probably had that benefit, also. I understand your interpretation of the amendment, having heard it and discussed it before. We just disagree because times have changed since the 1790s, population density has changed, weaponry has changed also. I don't fear the red hoard taking over the country as people did in the 50s or that some idiot president will listen to his disgraced General and declare martial law. Uncle Sugar is not coming for my weapons or yours either. Responsible ownership and use requires some amount of regulation and training.

Uncle Sugar is coming for our guns, our money, our property, our children, and everything else we have because it is the nature of all governments to do so........ government is corruption. It is power, and force, and it is always in the hands of men who should not have it, because men of character and integrity avoid government office like most people avoid the plague (a real plague, not this covid bullshit.)


For example;

Missouri Family Court Corruption: The Fathers Tell All

pjmedia.com

Stuff like this goes on in every government agency, at every level, and people need to stop pretending otherwise.
How many times do they need to lie to you, and steal from you, before your realize they are liars and thieves?

I just had four years of DJT who lied like a rug and wanted to the right to vote and the representative vote be counted, so I already know they bear watching no matter who or what party is in there. Glance at your PJ Needsya story, not my most trusted media and it went off into the weeds on family court in Missouri, not weapons regulation. You using it is just double talk, dude. Maybe I'll go down that rabbit hole with you some other time.

Post a lie! Still haven’t seen a lie you claim he made.

we had 47 years of pedo joe, so

 

[Blaine Sweeter]

So some liberal extremist, Trump-Hating Whack-a-doodle with a Muslim-sounding name goes on a shooting spree, and Biden and the Democrats rush to use this as an excuse to strip LAW-ABIDING citizens of their 2nd Amendment Rights.

During the foreign-funded Democrat-supported domestic-terrorist violence of Antifa looting, pillaging, destroying, arsonist, raping, assaulting, and murdering Antifa terrorist acts in Democrat-run communities all over the country - that caused BILLIONS of dollars in damage and destroyed many Americans businesses / dreams...

Democrats arrested a couple for holding their legally-owned, Constitutionally protected personal weapons on their own property in front of their own house - in a 'Stand-Your Ground' state, to protect themselves and ther home from violent protestors who threatened their lives and threatened to burn down their House.

The trespassing terrorists were arrested for trespassing....and have already been released. The case by a liberal extremist AG against the couple is still on-going, has not been dropped, despite the fact that they did not do anything illegal and a bipartisan effort to get the charges dropped is on-going.

Biden and the Democrats, who are just screwing the majority of Americans as hard as they can as fast as they can have turned DC into the Iraqi 'Green Zone' defended by National Guard Troops because they are so deathly afraid that the Americans they are screwing and whose country they are turning into a 3rd-world socialist tyrannical country are going to rise up against them for what they are doing.

To ensure a successful revolt against their tyrannical transformation f this nation into a single-party Socialist state they HAVE to take the guns out of the hands of the people.

'Hell yes, we are coming after your AR-15s!'
- A bill has already been submitted by proven CCP Espionage Facilitator Diane Feinstein

Hell YES, we are coming for your guns. There was never any doubt.

Biden calls on Senate to pass gun control measures 'immediately' after Boulder shooting

President Biden on Tuesday implored the Senate to pass new gun control measures in the wake of a mass shooting that left 10 dead in Boulder, Colorado, this week.

www.foxnews.com

LIAR.
Just assault weapons.
Weapons designed to do nothing but kill lots of people in 5 minutes.
You're part of the problem, spreading misinformation.
POS

 

[Man of Ethics]

Rest in Peace -- 572,000 people in USA killed by guns in 1999-2016:

 

[jc456]

property, authority, etc., but even though I am all for socialism, sharing, group planning, etc., these all have to be local.
As soon as you centralize federally, it gets all taken over by some small, elite, power group that is totally corrupt.
Can't ever let that happen

That’s your downfall, you believe that nonsense. No such thing! Someone always has authority and in that belief you give up your power, bullshit

Not sure what you mean, but the point is that all humans are socialist, but do so voluntarily when its local.
You only have oppression when it is force by a remote power.
It is that remote power we can not let control us, regardless if we locally want to be socialist or capitalist.

If you look at how humans lived in primitive tribes for millions of years, it had to always be socialist.
When one person is successful in the hunt, everyone else stops hunting and the game is shared.
That is because it would be hard to preserve and if everyone had to have a successful hunt, local game would quickly disappear. Humans evolved to be socialist. We have to be willing to die in order to protect the young and weak.
Authority can never be allowed to be imposed by force. That is always opposite of human nature.

Nope, socialism is giving up individualism voluntarily, not this white American

 

[Man of Ethics]

In USA there are about 20,000 gun suicides and 10,000 gun homicides each year.

 

[jc456]

Rest in Peace -- 572,000 people in USA killed by guns in 1999-2016:

What’s the number one cause of death?

 

[Man of Ethics]

Rest in Peace -- 572,000 people in USA killed by guns in 1999-2016:

What’s the number one cause of death?

Preventable deaths are caused by

1) smoking
2) drugs
3) guns