Big Trouble in the air for the GOP and Tea Party

[JimH52]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/10/us/business-groups-see-loss-of-sway-over-house-gop.html?hp&_r=0

Their frustration has grown so intense in recent days that several trade association officials warned in interviews on Wednesday that they were considering helping wage primary campaigns against Republican lawmakers who had worked to engineer the political standoff in Washington.

Such an effort would thrust Washington’s traditionally cautious and pragmatic business lobby into open warfare with the Tea Party faction, which has grown in influence since the 2010 election and won a series of skirmishes with the Republican establishment in the last two years.

The pressure is getting unbearable for the GOP. The moderates are looking for the door and the Baggers are looking crazy...

The longer this thing goes on the crazier they look.

 

[Mac1958]

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I tuned into Mark Levin for a few moments yesterday, and he was fighting with a Republican/Tea Party guy he had endorsed, who evidently voted incorrectly for him on something. They were really going at it, it was uncomfortable to listen to. The politician was pissed and defensive.

The movement will ultimately extinguish itself if it insists on 100% purity. Where in the world did they get the idea that this is a good strategy?

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[idb]

Too much lobbying money and gerrymandering has brought this about.
It's the same problem that Dr Frankenstein or the creators of HAL had...the monster has become sentient and escaped.
Reap what ye sow.

 

[BorisTheAnimal]

So then all we'll be stuck with is Democrat and Democrat-lyte. Where will the distinction be then??

 

[Mac1958]

So then all we'll be stuck with is Democrat and Democrat-lyte. Where will the distinction be then??

I would ask the same question of the Tea Party.

Why behave like this, and allow what you're saying to happen?

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[ScienceRocks]

People aren't going to vote for a party that is for turning America into north Korea.

Americans want infrastructure, science and tech! We Americans want to remain number one!

 

[BorisTheAnimal]

So then all we'll be stuck with is Democrat and Democrat-lyte. Where will the distinction be then??

I would ask the same question of the Tea Party.

Why behave like this, and allow what you're saying to happen?

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So you want the GOP to cave in and kowtow to the Democrats??

 

[ScienceRocks]

So then all we'll be stuck with is Democrat and Democrat-lyte. Where will the distinction be then??

I would ask the same question of the Tea Party.

Why behave like this, and allow what you're saying to happen?

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So you want the GOP to cave in and kowtow to the Democrats??

I want the GOP to act like a major party within a first world nation that values remaining so.

 

[idb]

So then all we'll be stuck with is Democrat and Democrat-lyte. Where will the distinction be then??

I would ask the same question of the Tea Party.

Why behave like this, and allow what you're saying to happen?

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So you want the GOP to cave in and kowtow to the Democrats??

What cave?
What kowtow?
They were asked to keep the government operating - as per their job description - and the GOP let some children talk them into making extra demands because they didn't know how to tell those children "enough is enough".
If they have to cave it'll be because of their own over-reach.
Now they're just looking for any concession at all from the Dems that they can spin into a victory.

 

[JoeB131]

So then all we'll be stuck with is Democrat and Democrat-lyte. Where will the distinction be then??

Crazy people like you will be regulated back to fringe parties like the Constitution and Libertarian Parties, and we'll all be better off for it.

 

[BorisTheAnimal]

I would ask the same question of the Tea Party.

Why behave like this, and allow what you're saying to happen?

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So you want the GOP to cave in and kowtow to the Democrats??

I want the GOP to act like a major party within a first world nation that values remaining so.

IOW, cave in and kowtow to the Left. Sorry, but I'd rather hold onto principle and stand my ground against the Democrats.

 

[Mac1958]

So then all we'll be stuck with is Democrat and Democrat-lyte. Where will the distinction be then??

I would ask the same question of the Tea Party.

Why behave like this, and allow what you're saying to happen?

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So you want the GOP to cave in and kowtow to the Democrats??

The Tea Party has a couple of choices, if it can just get away from its current simplistic, binary, all-or-nothing mindset:

It can continue to do what it's doing, demanding purity at all times, and alienating a majority of voters nationwide. Their current approach is effective on a local level, where they can gain state and national seats in specific and limited geographic areas in which they have electoral influence. If that's enough for them, fine. But nationally? No.

Or..

They can moderate somewhat, get elected, prove themselves, convince people that their way works, and then move more in their direction. The movement has somehow convinced itself (clearly egged on by talk radio), that they must accomplish their goals overnight or it's over. Well, they can't accomplish anything if they can't get elected nationally.

The Tea Party is an easy target, and they don't see it. If they're serious, if they really want to effect change, they need to change minds. Demanding purity won't do that.

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[BorisTheAnimal]

I would ask the same question of the Tea Party.

Why behave like this, and allow what you're saying to happen?

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So you want the GOP to cave in and kowtow to the Democrats??

The Tea Party has a couple of choices, if it can just get away from its current simplistic, binary, all-or-nothing mindset:

It can continue to do what it's doing, demanding purity at all times, and alienating a majority of voters nationwide. Their current approach is effective on a local level, where they can gain state and national seats in geographic areas in which they have electoral influence. If that's enough for them, fine. But nationally? No.

Or..

They can moderate somewhat, get elected, prove themselves, convince people that their way works, and then move more in their direction. The movement has somehow convinced itself (clearly egged on by talk radio), that they must accomplish their goals overnight or it's over. Well, they can't accomplish anything if they can't get elected nationally.

The Tea Party is an easy target, and they don't see it. If they're serious, if they really want to effect change, they need to change minds. Demanding purity won't do that.

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Yeah, shift so far to the left they would be indistinguishable from the Communist Democrats. Nope. We need to oppose the enemy (Democrats) on all fronts.

 

[Mac1958]

So you want the GOP to cave in and kowtow to the Democrats??

The Tea Party has a couple of choices, if it can just get away from its current simplistic, binary, all-or-nothing mindset:

It can continue to do what it's doing, demanding purity at all times, and alienating a majority of voters nationwide. Their current approach is effective on a local level, where they can gain state and national seats in geographic areas in which they have electoral influence. If that's enough for them, fine. But nationally? No.

Or..

They can moderate somewhat, get elected, prove themselves, convince people that their way works, and then move more in their direction. The movement has somehow convinced itself (clearly egged on by talk radio), that they must accomplish their goals overnight or it's over. Well, they can't accomplish anything if they can't get elected nationally.

The Tea Party is an easy target, and they don't see it. If they're serious, if they really want to effect change, they need to change minds. Demanding purity won't do that.

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Yeah, shift so far to the left they would be indistinguishable from the Communist Democrats. Nope. We need to oppose the enemy (Democrats) on all fronts.

Okay, well, good luck with that.

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[idb]

So you want the GOP to cave in and kowtow to the Democrats??

The Tea Party has a couple of choices, if it can just get away from its current simplistic, binary, all-or-nothing mindset:

It can continue to do what it's doing, demanding purity at all times, and alienating a majority of voters nationwide. Their current approach is effective on a local level, where they can gain state and national seats in geographic areas in which they have electoral influence. If that's enough for them, fine. But nationally? No.

Or..

They can moderate somewhat, get elected, prove themselves, convince people that their way works, and then move more in their direction. The movement has somehow convinced itself (clearly egged on by talk radio), that they must accomplish their goals overnight or it's over. Well, they can't accomplish anything if they can't get elected nationally.

The Tea Party is an easy target, and they don't see it. If they're serious, if they really want to effect change, they need to change minds. Demanding purity won't do that.

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Yeah, shift so far to the left they would be indistinguishable from the Communist Democrats. Nope. We need to oppose the enemy (Democrats) on all fronts.

There's quite a bit of open country between the Tea Party and the Democrats.
Ya know, I think they could shift a bit and still maintain their identity.

 

[JimH52]

The bottom line is the Tea Party did not help the GOP win either the WH or the Senate. As a matter of fact, their loony Senate candidates costs the GOP the control of that body. The TP is frustrated that they could not stop Obama or the ACA through democratic means. So the only thing left for them is to go beyond democracy into the realm of hostage taking and terrorism.

They decided that the democratic way did not work for them, so they will settle for tearing down the country. As I said before, they are like the kid with the basketball who could not win so he took his ball home. When he looked back and found that the kids were still playing, he decided it was time too burn down the school.

Now they are saying...."It won't be so bad is the school burns!"

 

[Desperado]

Since the Democratic Senate shot down the CR that the House passed yesterday that would have funded the military death benefits with their all or nothing approach, the Dems will start taking more heat for the shutdown. At this point, The Military death benefits not being paid is solely due to the Democrats.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Voting for the senate CR does not make the GOP any type of Dems.

It does mean they don't kowtow to the TeaPs, who are not any kind of mainstream Republicans.

I told you all this would happen.

 

[idb]

Since the Democratic Senate shot down the CR that the House passed yesterday that would have funded the military death benefits with their all or nothing approach, the Dems will start taking more heat for the shutdown. At this point, The Military death benefits not being paid is solely due to the Democrats.

Damn!
Charity to pay US military death benefits - Story - World - 3 News

The Obama administration, scrambling to tamp down a controversy over suspended death benefits for the families of fallen troops, announced that a charity would pick up the costs of the payments during the government shutdown.
"The Fisher House Foundation will provide the families of the fallen with the benefits they so richly deserve," Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel said in a statement, adding that the Pentagon would reimburse the foundation after the shutdown ended.


Read more: Charity to pay US military death benefits - Story - World - 3 News

 

[editec]

Since the Democratic Senate shot down the CR that the House passed yesterday that would have funded the military death benefits with their all or nothing approach, the Dems will start taking more heat for the shutdown. At this point, The Military death benefits not being paid is solely due to the Democrats.

No doubt some people are going to be furious with the DEMS for that, too.

But the onus for the shutdown with the vast majority of Americans still falls on the GOP.