Birth Control Mandate: Is this taking the Religous Liberty Exception too far?

No, it is taking government intervention into individual life too far.
Contraception has absolutely nothing to do with healthcare. It is a lifestyle option, not a healthcare option.
Where have you been? What do you mean that contraception has nothing to do with healthcare? It's not just to keep you from getting pregnant.....geez, you need to read more.

The conditions for which the American Academy of Family Physicians endorses the use of oral contraceptives are:

Non-Contraceptive Benefits Of The Pill - Other Benefits of Oral Contraceptives


And it is an extremely discriminatory mandate - not only on religious grounds, but it is a perfect example of gender discrimination. If it should be covered for women, why shouldn't it be covered for men?
Really? But Viagra is covered for men....don't you think that's gender discriminatory?

According to the article, they are being given the opportunity to be exempt....all they have to do is fill out a damn form, for goodness sake.....how hard is that?

ANYONE who says contraception has nothing to do with healthcare can be dismissed from the debate.

There is no need to include ignoramuses in the discussion.

Which is why you aren't a part of the discussion, and when have you ever participated in *debate*, you lying scum?

You don't have the authority to dismiss anyone from the debate, to determine the validity of anyone's argument, or to even recognize valid argument.
 
Yep, the moneychangeers sound like present time conservatives.....always looking for ways to make a buck or save a buck (by looking for ways to not pay taxes)......:lol::lol:
 
No, they sound like the loons who congregate at the religion forum, in order to tell Christians how they should spend their money and vote in order to be *good* Christians....
"Take these things away; stop making My Father's house a place of business."

I suggest you try applying some of that biblical hutzpah to yourself, mertex. And stop lying.
 
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" "Is it not written: `My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations'? But you have made it `a den of robbers.'"

" His complaint is that by buying and selling in the temple they have turned His Father's house into a house of merchandise, an emporium. And this is true, even though they have could have protested that they were doing it all for the good of the temple and the people attending the temple. But Jesus' answer strongly suggests that in this case the end does not justify the means."

The end doesn't justify the means, and Christ himself will visit judgement upon those who attempt to use our faith to raise money for themselves.. @Mertex. That means you.

http://www.orlutheran.com/html/bscleans.html
 
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the hypocrisy of the left was exposed by Jesus Christ HIMSELF - because He knew them always:


4 But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected, 5 “Why wasn’t this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year’s wages.” 6 He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it.

7 “Leave her alone,” Jesus replied. “It was intended that she should save this perfume for the day of my burial. 8 You will always have the poor among you,[c] but you will not always have me.”


I can picture the Iscariots of our time - all those rdeans, Mertexes, luddlies, and other flaming leftards which are here to teach us what Christianity is about - to ask Jesus Christ those words :lol:


Ha,ha, now you're implying that Judas was a liberal? If he had been a liberal, he would have not worried about the "waste" - he, like most Republicans in Congress, was pretending to care about the poor but actually wanted the money to use on himself, as they have done, wasting money on repeals of the ACA knowing they are not going to go anywhere.

Nobody can teach a greedy person about Christianity....so, I wouldn't even attempt it...I'm just pointing out what you most certainly don't comprehend.


no, the common day leftards are Judases :D

they also want to put their hand into others people money as Iscariot wanted - and pretend that they care about the poor.

Stop LYING.

all you "care" is others people money you want to get your hands on
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No, they sound like the loons who congregate at the religion forum, in order to tell Christians how they should spend their money and vote in order to be *good* Christians....
That would be you.....with your advice on what is a sin and what isn't.....:lol::lol:
"Take these things away; stop making My Father's house a place of business."
This forum is not "your Father's house" - and neither is the government.
I suggest you try applying some of that biblical hutzpah to yourself, mertex. And stop lying.
Maybe if you start reading what Jesus said you'd stop hating so much.....remember, God is Love and you're far from grasping that.
 
" "Is it not written: `My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations'? But you have made it `a den of robbers.'"

" His complaint is that by buying and selling in the temple they have turned His Father's house into a house of merchandise, an emporium. And this is true, even though they have could have protested that they were doing it all for the good of the temple and the people attending the temple. But Jesus' answer strongly suggests that in this case the end does not justify the means."

The end doesn't justify the means, and Christ himself will visit judgement upon those who attempt to use our faith to raise money for themselves.. @Mertex. That means you.

A Bible Study on the Cleansing of the Temple Passages

Not that any of your posts make any sense, but please be specific about when I have used my faith to raise money for myself....

You really need to "review" your posts before submitting them.....maybe then you would be able to see how inane they sound.....oh, never mind, you wouldn't.
 
the hypocrisy of the left was exposed by Jesus Christ HIMSELF - because He knew them always:


4 But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected, 5 “Why wasn’t this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year’s wages.” 6 He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it.

7 “Leave her alone,” Jesus replied. “It was intended that she should save this perfume for the day of my burial. 8 You will always have the poor among you,[c] but you will not always have me.”


I can picture the Iscariots of our time - all those rdeans, Mertexes, luddlies, and other flaming leftards which are here to teach us what Christianity is about - to ask Jesus Christ those words :lol:


Ha,ha, now you're implying that Judas was a liberal? If he had been a liberal, he would have not worried about the "waste" - he, like most Republicans in Congress, was pretending to care about the poor but actually wanted the money to use on himself, as they have done, wasting money on repeals of the ACA knowing they are not going to go anywhere.

Nobody can teach a greedy person about Christianity....so, I wouldn't even attempt it...I'm just pointing out what you most certainly don't comprehend.


no, the common day leftards are Judases :D

they also want to put their hand into others people money as Iscariot wanted - and pretend that they care about the poor.

Stop LYING.

all you "care" is others people money you want to get your hands on
:lol:


Wow, I thought only KG's posts were non-sensical....I have added yours to the list.
 
Where have you been? What do you mean that contraception has nothing to do with healthcare? It's not just to keep you from getting pregnant.....geez, you need to read more.

The conditions for which the American Academy of Family Physicians endorses the use of oral contraceptives are:

Non-Contraceptive Benefits Of The Pill - Other Benefits of Oral Contraceptives


Really? But Viagra is covered for men....don't you think that's gender discriminatory?

According to the article, they are being given the opportunity to be exempt....all they have to do is fill out a damn form, for goodness sake.....how hard is that?

ANYONE who says contraception has nothing to do with healthcare can be dismissed from the debate.

There is no need to include ignoramuses in the discussion.

Which is why you aren't a part of the discussion, and when have you ever participated in *debate*, you lying scum?

You don't have the authority to dismiss anyone from the debate, to determine the validity of anyone's argument, or to even recognize valid argument.

And kg continues to demonstrate that she is of the same value as Truth Matters here.

kg is an ignorant fundamentalist who tries to substitute her faith beliefs for science and common sense.

Tis what tis.
 
Ha,ha, now you're implying that Judas was a liberal? If he had been a liberal, he would have not worried about the "waste" - he, like most Republicans in Congress, was pretending to care about the poor but actually wanted the money to use on himself, as they have done, wasting money on repeals of the ACA knowing they are not going to go anywhere.

Nobody can teach a greedy person about Christianity....so, I wouldn't even attempt it...I'm just pointing out what you most certainly don't comprehend.

no, the common day leftards are Judases :D

they also want to put their hand into others people money as Iscariot wanted - and pretend that they care about the poor.

Stop LYING.

all you "care" is others people money you want to get your hands on
:lol:

Wow, I thought only KG's posts were non-sensical....I have added yours to the list.

white flag on Mertex's part.
check

next :lol:
 
Yep, the moneychangeers sound like present time conservatives.....always looking for ways to make a buck or save a buck (by looking for ways to not pay taxes)......:lol::lol:

Social Liberals who are interested in redistribution of wealth are by definition the money changers.
They barter with what is not theirs as well ... And are incapable of understanding responsibility.
The Bible didn't tell the rich man to give his wealth to government ... Didn't tell us to support our neighbor through taxation for the benefit of political gain.

But we have freedom of religion in America ... And you can worship government if you choose.
 
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Helping the Poor
Christians are commanded to help one another but we are also called to help those who are less fortunate than we are. Proverbs 21:13 is among the most powerful calls from God to help those who are hungry because “If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered.” First John 3:17 states that, “If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?” Job wrote, “I rescued the poor who cried for help, and the fatherless who had none to assist them” (Job 29:12).
God asked, “Is it not to share your food with the hungry and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter when you see the naked, to clothe them, and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood” (Isaiah 58:7)? We also need to “Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy” (Prov 31:8-9). In fact, “The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern” (Prov 29:7).


Read more: What Does the Bible Say About Helping the Poor?

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me‘“ (Matthew 25:41-45).

Read more: What Does the Bible Say About Helping the Poor?

The reality is that it is in a believer’s best interest to give to the poor because, “He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses” (Prov 28:27). Helping the poor is actually an imperative command, as Paul told Timothy to “Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life” (1 Tim 6:18-19). The Proverbs say that, “A generous man will himself be blessed, for he shares his food with the poor” (Prov 22:9) and “A faithful man will be richly blessed, but one eager to get rich will not go unpunished” (Prov 28:20). The fact is that, “He who is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and He will reward him for what he has done” (Prov 19:17). How interesting that the wisest man who ever lived (save for Christ Who was both God and Man) wrote more on helping the poor than anyone. He writes much about the wisdom of helping the poor, even though he was the richest man who had ever lived. Was his wealth and generosity a coincidence? God does not believe in coincidences. He blesses those who bless others. That is no coincidence…it is cause and effect. This is what Ecclesiastes 11:1 means, “Cast your bread upon the waters, for after many days you will find it again.”

Read more: What Does the Bible Say About Helping the Poor?

Jesus said, “And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my disciple, I tell you the truth, he will certainly not lose his reward” (Matt 10:42). Someday when you see Christ and receive your reward, you might be pleasantly surprised to hear that, “The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me’ (Matt 25:40).

Read more: What Does the Bible Say About Helping the Poor?
 
Yep, the moneychangeers sound like present time conservatives.....always looking for ways to make a buck or save a buck (by looking for ways to not pay taxes)......:lol::lol:

Social Liberals who are interested in redistribution of wealth are by definition the money changers.
They barter with what is not their as well ... And are incapable of understanding responsibility.
The Bible didn't tell the rich man to give his wealth to government ... Didn't tell us to support our neighbor through taxation for the benefit of political gain.

But we have freedom of religion in America ... And you can worship government if you choose.

Exactly!
 
Yep, the moneychangeers sound like present time conservatives.....always looking for ways to make a buck or save a buck (by looking for ways to not pay taxes)......:lol::lol:

Social Liberals who are interested in redistribution of wealth are by definition the money changers.
They barter with what is not theirs as well ... And are incapable of understanding responsibility.
The Bible didn't tell the rich man to give his wealth to government ... Didn't tell us to support our neighbor through taxation for the benefit of political gain.

But we have freedom of religion in America ... And you can worship government if you choose.

yes, the hypocritical left which demands YOUR money so they can get hold of it to redistribute as THEY feel like it is scorned by Jesus Christ HIMSELF - this is exactly here:


John 12
4 But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected, 5 “Why wasn’t this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year’s wages.” 6 He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it.

7 “Leave her alone,” Jesus replied. “It was intended that she should save this perfume for the day of my burial. 8 You will always have the poor among you,[c] but you will not always have me.”


I can picture the Iscariots of our time - all those rdeans, Mertexes, luddlies, and other flaming leftards which are here to teach us what Christianity is about - to ask Jesus Christ those words:
“Why wasn’t this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year’s wages." :lol:
 
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Neither Vox nor Koshergrl are the ones anyone wants teaching Christianity 101 or Scriptural Teachings 313.

My goodness, what a couple of mistaken individuals.

WWJD. Take care of the poor.
 
The DOJ responded tpoday to Sonia Sotomayor's Injunction issued on New Years Eve.

Nuns' Objection To Health Care Law Is Unwarranted, Justice Dept. Says : The Two-Way : NPR

That emanated from this:

Sonia Sotomayor halts contraceptive rule for Denver center - Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com

The matter in this case boils down to filling out a short form form. Just filing an automatic waiver.

That's it.

Catholic Employers Claim That Filling Out an Obamacare Form Violates Their Religious Freedom
"Late on New Year's Eve, Justice Sonia Sotomayor granted a small number of religiously affiliated groups a temporary injunction from a provision in the Affordable Care Act that allows them not to cover contraception in their health care plans if they fill out a form that states that they want an exemption from the law for religious reasons.

Go ahead and read that sentence again.

These Catholic non-profits that wanted an exemption from covering their employees' contraception needs—and got an exemption from covering their employees' contraception needs—are now fighting the provision (that exempts them from covering their employees' contraception needs) simply because they don't want to have to fill out a form that states that they are exempt.

Why? Because their employees need that form in order to get birth control directly from their insurers (which they need to do because their employers—these Catholic non-profits—are exempt, as they want to be)."
Justice Sotomayor grants temporary injunction to Catholic groups who say filling out an Obamacare form about contraception violates their religious freedom.

Yes, filling out a form. Nothing more.

Their religious sensibilities are insulted by merely stating on paper they have religious objections.

Now, you may agree that religious organizations should not be forced to contribute to a health plan that makes them pay for Birth Control - and I do too,

but do you think the mere act of filing out a form is taking the Religious Liberty exception just a bit too far?

Does religious liberty extend to the right to not have to fill out paperwork?

Assuming your characterization is correct, and I just got up and am thus too tired to go read Legalese on the links, I would assume the issue here is that by complaining about even a short form, the religious organizations are hoping to derail the entire thing. Knock one domino down, others may fall. Very unlikely the issue is really about a form.
I would assume the issue here is that by complaining about even a short form, the religious organizations are hoping to derail the entire thing.
No, Christians have been building hospitals, medical universities, health care centers, rehabilitation centers, hospices, nursing care homes, half-way houses, counseling centers, and senior care centers for centuries in America and other countries. The particular focus of Roman Catholicism is their way of doing things, namely to do no further damage for people of all kinds, whether or not they are Roman Catholic. They are the most scholastic biblical church, and their practice includes not killing babies in accordance with old and new testament scriptures which record Christ's daily teachings, since he was Jewish as well as his life.

They have absolutely nothing but humility in their requests, and the elephant sitting in the living room is that this nation disrespects the sanctity of life that the church preaches by allowing the malicious practice of ending the life of a human being before it is born out of sheer political cowardice.

The church has no such cowardice in serving God and humankind, but it also does what it can to keep people in touch with God, which is their first mission.

That mission is protected in this nation by the Bill of Rights, Amendment 1:

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Bill of Rights Transcript Text
 
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Yep, the moneychangeers sound like present time conservatives.....always looking for ways to make a buck or save a buck (by looking for ways to not pay taxes)......:lol::lol:

Social Liberals who are interested in redistribution of wealth are by definition the money changers.
They barter with what is not theirs as well ... And are incapable of understanding responsibility.
Another one that thinks that Libs somehow don't pay taxes....I guess you took Romney's disaster speech to heart. As for responsibility, we take more responsibility than conservatives do, we care about those that are under privileged, and want to make sure that everyone can afford health care....while all you worry about is yourself....the epitome of greed, the desire for material gain and wealth, one of the deadly sins mentioned in the 10 Commandments.


The Bible didn't tell the rich man to give his wealth to government ... Didn't tell us to support our neighbor through taxation for the benefit of political gain.
Maybe your Bible doesn't, but Jesus sure did....

Paying the Imperial Tax to Caesar

13 Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words. 14 They came to him and said, “Teacher, we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not? 15 Should we pay or shouldn’t we?”

But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. “Why are you trying to trap me?” he asked. “Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.” 16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”

“Caesar’s,” they replied.

17 Then Jesus said to them, “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.”


But we have freedom of religion in America ... And you can worship government if you choose.
There is a difference between worshipping and submitting, obviously you don't know the difference, and here's another one for you.....

Romans 13:
1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
 
no, the common day leftards are Judases :D

they also want to put their hand into others people money as Iscariot wanted - and pretend that they care about the poor.

Stop LYING.

all you "care" is others people money you want to get your hands on
:lol:

Wow, I thought only KG's posts were non-sensical....I have added yours to the list.

white flag on Mertex's part.
check

next :lol:


Calling people names and insulting them isn't debating. I choose to ignore the ignorant who that's all they know to do. When you start making sense instead of just displaying your butt hurt, maybe I'll read your posts......
 
Wow, I thought only KG's posts were non-sensical....I have added yours to the list.

white flag on Mertex's part.
check

next :lol:


Calling people names and insulting them isn't debating. I choose to ignore the ignorant who that's all they know to do. When you start making sense instead of just displaying your butt hurt, maybe I'll read your posts......

you are allowed not to read my posts.
I could not care less.

Does not mean I won;t comment on your fake preaching as a pauperes cultist and false declarations about Jesus Christ and Christianity.
 

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