Boehner abandons GOP to extremists

Mr. Boehner certainly was unpopular with his own Republican voters. The day of his resignation a WSJ/NBC poll found that "some 72% of Republican primary voters said they were dissatisfied with the ability of Mr. Boehner and GOP Senate leader Mitch McConnell to achieve Republican goals." But that phrase - failure "to achieve Republican goals" - is remarkable. As a very good "Abbreviated Pundit Round-up" details today, John Boehner and the Republicans overall never had the votes to impose Republican policies. As Phillip Bump notes, the only "compromises" Boehner made "have been between reality and fantasy."

Indeed, it is notable that when conservative writer Erick Erickson writes a column titled "Why John Boehner Had To Go," he can't actually name or describe anything Boehner did wrong - only arguing vaguely and nonsensically that Boehner (somehow) held his own Republican party "in contempt."

When forced to explain this supposed "contempt," numerous Republicans (even presidential candidates) list not only Boehner's (non-existent) failure to stop Obamacare, but also his supposed enabling of Obamacare. As Mike Huckabee explained, "When people sent [Republicans] here, they didn't send them to give the president more power on Obamacare[.]" Think about that: after total legislative obstruction, a government shut-down, more than 50 votes to repeal Obamacare, an ensuing presidential election, two Supreme Court lawsuits, and other pending litigation - - Republicans are livid with the belief that John Boehner has worked with the President to strengthen Obamacare.

No sane political observer could think that. So, what gives? As Jonathan Chait explains, we are witnessing a sort of collective Republican denial where they cannot accept that they are not the ruling party, not the "deciders" (to use a former president's phrase):

To understand the pressures that brought about Boehner’s demise as an ideological split badly misconstrues the situation. The small band of right-wing noisemakers in the House who made Boehner’s existence a living hell could not identify any important substantive disagreements with the object of their wrath. . . . The source of the disagreement was tactical, not philosophical. Boehner’s tormentors refused to accept the limits of his political power. . . .
This discontent runs much deeper and wider than Boehner. . . . Boehner had the misfortune of leading, or attempting to lead, his party in an era when it had run up to the limits of crazy, where the only unexplored frontiers of extremism lay beyond the reach of its Constitutional powers.

What is important here is not that Republicans object to the limits of their power, but that Republicans apparently cannot accept that such limits even exist. Greg Sargent recently caught this in a very revealing FOX News poll:
[Republicans] failed to block Obama’s transformation of the country; that must be because they didn’t even try, so they must be complicit. But this failure, too, is structural. Republicans don’t have the votes to surmount Dem filibusters or Obama vetoes. The idea that this can be overcome through sheer force of will (the argument conservatives are making in favor of another shutdown fight) is just another version of [the "Big Lie"].
Indeed, the Fox News poll unwittingly captures what is particularly problematic about this last one. It finds that 60 percent of Republicans feel betrayed by their party, and that 66 percent of Republicans don’t think their party did all it could to block Obama’s agenda. The poll asks why respondents think their party leaders failed at this: they didn’t really want to stop Obama; they weren’t smart enough; they would rather fight each other. The Fox poll doesn’t even offer respondents the option of choosing the real reason — that Republicans structurally lack the votes!
 
As long as you allow the Tea Baggers to carry you guts around in a big, you will be continually pulled to the right, and you continually lose national elections. Boehner said exactly what needed to be said, when he slammed the far right lunatics.

The Party of Reagan and Eisenhower is gone. The party of Cruz and the lunatic House is now here.

How have the Republicans moved to the right of Reagan?
Reagan raised taxes (now Trump is the only one that wants to raise taxes).
Reagan granted amnesty (funny how the RWNJs always forget this).
Reagan supported gun control.

I'm sure there are more but there's a few for you to chew on.

- Reagan raised taxes (now Trump is the only one that wants to raise taxes).

Reagan fought the tax increases. Sorry toots. He only agreed for a 3 to 1 agreement from Tip to cut spending. Tip reneged and Reagan saw it as a huge mistake he had agreed to them. Clearly not a move to the right, sorry

Reagan granted amnesty (funny how the RWNJs always forget this).

- I was going to point out that W did too, so no move to the right. But then I noticed your response wasn't for me , so never mind

Reagan supported gun control.

- he supported background checks and he supported limits on things like automatic weapons. Show where the Republican party doesn't support the same

Thank you at least for trying, unlike your useless friends
None of what you posted disputes what I posted.

What amnesty did W grant?

W bush proposed something that his own Party though was too close to amnesty and they shut it DOWN.

try again
 
As long as you allow the Tea Baggers to carry you guts around in a big, you will be continually pulled to the right, and you continually lose national elections. Boehner said exactly what needed to be said, when he slammed the far right lunatics.

The Party of Reagan and Eisenhower is gone. The party of Cruz and the lunatic House is now here.

How have the Republicans moved to the right of Reagan?

Reagan would have NEVER dreamed of shutting down the Federal Government! The loony far right have no problem doing just that. The GOP has shown time and time again it is "Party over Country."

The shut down by the GOP is the reason the US debt rating was lowered.
 
As long as you allow the Tea Baggers to carry you guts around in a big, you will be continually pulled to the right, and you continually lose national elections. Boehner said exactly what needed to be said, when he slammed the far right lunatics.

The Party of Reagan and Eisenhower is gone. The party of Cruz and the lunatic House is now here.

How have the Republicans moved to the right of Reagan?
Reagan raised taxes (now Trump is the only one that wants to raise taxes).
Reagan granted amnesty (funny how the RWNJs always forget this).
Reagan supported gun control.

I'm sure there are more but there's a few for you to chew on.

- Reagan raised taxes (now Trump is the only one that wants to raise taxes).

Reagan fought the tax increases. Sorry toots. He only agreed for a 3 to 1 agreement from Tip to cut spending. Tip reneged and Reagan saw it as a huge mistake he had agreed to them. Clearly not a move to the right, sorry

Reagan granted amnesty (funny how the RWNJs always forget this).

- I was going to point out that W did too, so no move to the right. But then I noticed your response wasn't for me , so never mind

Reagan supported gun control.

- he supported background checks and he supported limits on things like automatic weapons. Show where the Republican party doesn't support the same

Thank you at least for trying, unlike your useless friends
None of what you posted disputes what I posted.

It disputed there was any move to the right
[
What amnesty did W grant?

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Democrats abandoned their own Party to extreme-Left-wingers long ago.

let's name Republican moderates, even pro-choice ones, then name more conservative Democrats. Which list will be bigger?? Democrats purged their Party of moderate "Blue Dog Democrats" about a decade ago, there are almost none left.

libs are hypocrites who whine about things they are guilty of on an even bigger scale.

When push came to shove, all the blue dogs voted for Obamacare belying that they were ever actually "moderate"
the problem with bedwetter is he doesn't understand that dems/liberals can decide what they believe in it maybe all far left pointys oif views with sprinkled conservative Ideas not all conservative ideas are bad ... the problem with cinservitives is the all suffere from tunnel vision ... onece they see site of it there's n o turning back ... that's not how dems/liberals think or work ... bedwetter doesn't understand that way of thinking
 
As long as you allow the Tea Baggers to carry you guts around in a big, you will be continually pulled to the right, and you continually lose national elections. Boehner said exactly what needed to be said, when he slammed the far right lunatics.

The Party of Reagan and Eisenhower is gone. The party of Cruz and the lunatic House is now here.

How have the Republicans moved to the right of Reagan?

Reagan would have NEVER dreamed of shutting down the Federal Government! The loony far right have no problem doing just that. The GOP has shown time and time again it is "Party over Country."

The shut down by the GOP is the reason the US debt rating was lowered.

that's funny nutjob lefty; because the Left at the time basically did accuse Reagan of shutting down the government. or at least accused him of massive irresponsibility over the firing of air traffic controllers

libs are losers who lie to themselves
 
Democrats abandoned their own Party to extreme-Left-wingers long ago.

let's name Republican moderates, even pro-choice ones, then name more conservative Democrats. Which list will be bigger?? Democrats purged their Party of moderate "Blue Dog Democrats" about a decade ago, there are almost none left.

libs are hypocrites who whine about things they are guilty of on an even bigger scale.

When push came to shove, all the blue dogs voted for Obamacare belying that they were ever actually "moderate"
the problem with bedwetter is he doesn't understand that dems/liberals can decide what they believe in it maybe all far left pointys oif views with sprinkled conservative Ideas not all conservative ideas are bad ... the problem with cinservitives is the all suffere from tunnel vision ... onece they see site of it there's n o turning back ... that's not how dems/liberals think or work ... bedwetter doesn't understand that way of thinking


you mean you're crying that your own votes FOR things you say you are against are being thrown in your face?

ok crybaby; pathetic whine noted

try again...........
 
  • Thanks
Reactions: kaz
As long as you allow the Tea Baggers to carry you guts around in a big, you will be continually pulled to the right, and you continually lose national elections. Boehner said exactly what needed to be said, when he slammed the far right lunatics.

The Party of Reagan and Eisenhower is gone. The party of Cruz and the lunatic House is now here.

How have the Republicans moved to the right of Reagan?

Reagan would have NEVER dreamed of shutting down the Federal Government! The loony far right have no problem doing just that. The GOP has shown time and time again it is "Party over Country."

The shut down by the GOP is the reason the US debt rating was lowered.

So we moved to the right because you, a leftist, have deemed what Reagan would have done. Now that's classic
 
As long as you allow the Tea Baggers to carry you guts around in a big, you will be continually pulled to the right, and you continually lose national elections. Boehner said exactly what needed to be said, when he slammed the far right lunatics.

The Party of Reagan and Eisenhower is gone. The party of Cruz and the lunatic House is now here.

How have the Republicans moved to the right of Reagan?

Reagan would have NEVER dreamed of shutting down the Federal Government! The loony far right have no problem doing just that. The GOP has shown time and time again it is "Party over Country."

The shut down by the GOP is the reason the US debt rating was lowered.


less than two weeks after allowing the government to be shut down after refusing to delay the obamacare rollout obama and democrats DELAYED THE OBAMACARE ROLLOUT when it turned out to be the TRAINWRECK Republicans predicted

libs are losers who lie to themselves
 
As long as you allow the Tea Baggers to carry you guts around in a big, you will be continually pulled to the right, and you continually lose national elections. Boehner said exactly what needed to be said, when he slammed the far right lunatics.

The Party of Reagan and Eisenhower is gone. The party of Cruz and the lunatic House is now here.

How have the Republicans moved to the right of Reagan?

Reagan would have NEVER dreamed of shutting down the Federal Government! The loony far right have no problem doing just that. The GOP has shown time and time again it is "Party over Country."

The shut down by the GOP is the reason the US debt rating was lowered.

So we moved to the right because you, a leftist, have deemed what Reagan would have done. Now that's classic


EXACTLY!1

deluded left-wing nutjobs want to have it both ways!
 
Democrats abandoned their own Party to extreme-Left-wingers long ago.

let's name Republican moderates, even pro-choice ones, then name more conservative Democrats. Which list will be bigger?? Democrats purged their Party of moderate "Blue Dog Democrats" about a decade ago, there are almost none left.

libs are hypocrites who whine about things they are guilty of on an even bigger scale.

When push came to shove, all the blue dogs voted for Obamacare belying that they were ever actually "moderate"
the problem with bedwetter is he doesn't understand that dems/liberals can decide what they believe in it maybe all far left pointys oif views with sprinkled conservative Ideas not all conservative ideas are bad ... the problem with cinservitives is the all suffere from tunnel vision ... onece they see site of it there's n o turning back ... that's not how dems/liberals think or work ... bedwetter doesn't understand that way of thinking

George Patton: If everyone's thinking alike, someone isn't thinking
 
That's exactly what I just said it was, you provided links and said her e, read this.

If you know what you are talking about, how is it not possible for you in your own words just to give a list of several issues the Republicans have moved to the right on?

I provided links that demonstrated 1) the group is small. This is important to know. In as much as I am not about to run out and defend every cockamamie "liberal" and I am not demanding that every Republican step forward and have to defend every other cockamamie "conservative". Two, this is the name of the group and the players. 3) this is the name of the man that changed the tactics and this is how they have evolved and this is who controls them. 4) and this includes the response from those involved not just in the foundation but others in congress.

How is it that you cannot handle that?
 
It marks the end of the republican party.

Until a new, sane right-of-center party is established the democratic party will be in control.

This is a good thing for now, but after 8-12 years it could become as corrupt and unpatriotic as the GOP did.
And democrats are not corrupt. Lol

They are ALL corrupt.
 
1960 GOP Platform included the following:
Labor

America's growth cannot be compartmentalized. Labor and management cannot prosper without each other. They cannot ignore their mutual public obligation.

Industrial harmony, expressing these mutual interests, can best be achieved in a climate of free collective bargaining, with minimal government intervention except by mediation and conciliation.

Even in dealing with emergency situations imperiling the national safety, ways of solution must be found to enhance and not impede the processes of free collective bargaining—carefully considered ways that are in keeping with the policies of national labor relations legislation and with the need to strengthen the hand of the President in dealing with such emergencies.

In the same spirit, Republican leadership will continue to encourage discussions, away from the bargaining table, between labor and management to consider the mutual interest of all Americans in maintaining industrial peace.

Republican policy firmly supports the right of employers and unions freely to enter into agreements providing for the union shop and other forms of union security as authorized by the Labor-Management Relations Act of 1947 (the Taft-Hartley Act ).

Republican-sponsored legislation has supported the right of union members to full participation in the affairs of their union and their right to freedom from racketeering and gangster interference whether by labor or management in labor-management relations.

Republican action has given to millions of American working men and women new or expanded protection and benefits, such as: Increased federal minimum wage;

Extended coverage of unemployment insurance and the payment of additional temporary benefits provided in 1958-59;

Improvement of veterans' re-employment rights;

Extension of federal workman's compensation coverage and increase of benefits;

Legislative assurance of safety standards for longshore and harbor workers and for the transportation of migratory workers;

An increase of railroad workers' retirement and disability benefits.

Seven past years of accomplishments, however, are but a base to build upon in fostering, promoting and improving the welfare of America's working men and women, both organized and unorganized. We pledge, therefore, action on these constructive lines:

Diligent administration of the amended Labor-Management Relations Act of 1947 (Taft-Hartley Act) and the Labor-Management Reporting and Disclosure Act of 1959 (Landrum-Griffin Act) with recommendations for improvements which experience shows are needed to make them more effective or remove any inequities.

Correction of defects in the Welfare and Pension Plans Disclosure Act to protect employees' and beneficiaries' interests.

Upward revision in amount and extended coverage of the minimum wage to several million more workers.

Strengthening the unemployment insurance system and extension of its benefits.

Improvement of the eight-hour laws relating to hours and overtime compensation on federal and federally-assisted construction, and continued vigorous enforcement and improvement of minimum wage laws for federal supply and construction contracts.

Continued improvement of manpower skills and training to meet a new era of challenges, including action programs to aid older workers, women, youth, and the physically handicapped.

Encouragement of training programs by labor, industry and government to aid in finding new jobs for persons dislocated by automation or other economic changes.

Improvement of job opportunities and working conditions of migratory farm workers.

Assurance of equal pay for equal work regardless of sex; encouragement of programs to insure on-the-job safety, and encouragement of the States to improve their labor standards legislation, and to improve veterans' employment rights and benefits.

Encouragement abroad of free democratic institutions, higher living standards and higher wages through such agencies as the International Labor Organization, and cooperation with the free trade union movement in strengthening free labor throughout the world.
 
i love the way left-wing losers post 200-lines of propaganda.

your piece is irrelevant. Ever hear of cause and effect genius disir?

and it is still 1960?
 
Democrats abandoned their own Party to extreme-Left-wingers long ago.

let's name Republican moderates, even pro-choice ones, then name more conservative Democrats. Which list will be bigger?? Democrats purged their Party of moderate "Blue Dog Democrats" about a decade ago, there are almost none left.

libs are hypocrites who whine about things they are guilty of on an even bigger scale.

When push came to shove, all the blue dogs voted for Obamacare belying that they were ever actually "moderate"
the problem with bedwetter is he doesn't understand that dems/liberals can decide what they believe in it maybe all far left pointys oif views with sprinkled conservative Ideas not all conservative ideas are bad ... the problem with cinservitives is the all suffere from tunnel vision ... onece they see site of it there's n o turning back ... that's not how dems/liberals think or work ... bedwetter doesn't understand that way of thinking

George Patton: If everyone's thinking alike, someone isn't thinking
how true is that ... that's something the conservative posters on these boards don't get about dems/liberals ... if we aren't all on the same path like they are then the just don 't get us ... for instance, I don't like the Idea of abortions ... I as a liberal will say I don't like abortions ... the difference here is conservatives will try and stop every abortions at all cost ... mainly because of their points of views ... where I as a dem/liberal can say its not my right to force my views on others, if a woman wants and abortion its her choice ... I would rather not see it happen ... conservatives can't fathom that point of view, it either all there way or nothing
 
It's the GOP platform.

This is from 1964

—enlargement of employment opportunities for urban and rural citizens, with emphasis on training programs to equip them with needed skills; improved job information and placement services; and research and extension services channeled toward helping rural people improve their opportunities;

—tax credits and other methods of assistance to help needy senior citizens meet the costs of medical and hospital insurance;

—a strong, sound system of Social Security, with improved benefits to our people;

—continued Federal support for a sound research program aimed at both the prevention and cure of diseases, and intensified efforts to secure prompt and effective application of the results of research. This will include emphasis on mental illness, drug addiction, alcoholism, cancer, heart disease and other diseases of increasing incidence;

—revision of the Social Security laws to allow higher earnings, without loss of benefits, by our elderly people;

—full coverage of all medical and hospital costs for the needy elderly people, financed by general revenues through broader implementation of Federal-State plans, rather than the compulsory Democratic scheme covering only a small percentage of such costs, for everyone regardless of need;

—adoption and implementation of a fair and adequate program for providing necessary supplemental farm labor for producing and harvesting agricultural commodities;

—tax credits for those burdened by the expenses of college education;

—vocational rehabilitation, through cooperation between government—Federal and State—and industry, for the mentally and physically handicapped, the chronically unemployed and the poverty-stricken;

—incentives for employers to hire teenagers, including broadening of temporary exemptions under the minimum wage law;

—to repeal the Administration's wheat certificate "bread-tax" on consumers, so burdensome to low-income families and overwhelmingly rejected by farmers;

—revision of present non-service-connected pension programs to provide increased benefits for low income pensioners, with emphasis on rehabilitation, nursing homes and World War I veterans;

—re-evaluation of the armed forces' manpower procurement programs with the goal of replacing involuntary inductions as soon as possible by an efficient voluntary system, offering real career incentives;

—enactment of legislation, despite Democratic opposition, to curb the flow through the mails of obscene materials which has flourished into a multimillion dollar obscenity racket;

—support of a Constitutional amendment permitting those individuals and groups who choose to do so to exercise their religion freely in public places, provided religious exercises are not prepared or prescribed by the state or political subdivision thereof and no person's participation therein is coerced, thus preserving the traditional separation of church and state;

—full implementation and faithful execution of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and all other civil rights statutes, to assure equal rights and opportunities guaranteed by the Constitution to every citizen;

—improvements of civil rights statutes adequate to changing needs of our times;

—such additional administrative or legislative actions as may be required to end the denial, for whatever unlawful reason, of the right to vote;

—immigration legislation seeking to re-unite families and continuation of the "Fair Share" Refugee Program;

—continued opposition to discrimination based on race, creed, national origin or sex. We recognize that the elimination of any such discrimination is a matter of heart, conscience, and education, as well as of equal rights under law.
 

Forum List

Back
Top