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Mormons as a whole seem to be very nice people; however, as a Christian, I totally realize that "nice" people need Jesus Christ as much as those who are openly sinful. People who sin really know that they are sinful --- good people often feel that they are good enough. Christ tells everyone everywhere that no one is good enough and all need the Savior!Doesn't matter much what they believe; it seems to work for them, and they are mostly nice people, believe in the Protestant work ethic, and have some great emergency planning strategies. I buy my stores from them, and have for over 20 years now. they have their weirdos and freaks but not nearly as many as 'new atheist' tards do, so they're still a lot more preferable and useful to society than you deviants and gimp Jesus haters are or ever will be, so there is nothing to complain about re Mormons..
Mormons as a whole seem to be very nice people; however, as a Christian, I totally realize that "nice" people need Jesus Christ as much as those who are openly sinful. People who sin really know that they are sinful --- good people often feel that they are good enough. Christ tells everyone everywhere that no one is good enough and all need the Savior!Doesn't matter much what they believe; it seems to work for them, and they are mostly nice people, believe in the Protestant work ethic, and have some great emergency planning strategies. I buy my stores from them, and have for over 20 years now. they have their weirdos and freaks but not nearly as many as 'new atheist' tards do, so they're still a lot more preferable and useful to society than you deviants and gimp Jesus haters are or ever will be, so there is nothing to complain about re Mormons..
And the extensive defensive fences, ditch-and-rampart systems and irrigation canals suggest a highly organized workforce.
There is no such Moroni challenge found anywhere in the Bible --- only in the book of Mormon. Mormons need converts ---- not Christians, and the only way that can happen is if one accepts the book of Mormon. Christians need only CHRIST.The Word of GOD is founded on fact and not feelings. The Book of Mormon is founded on feelings and not fact.
That is empty rhetoric. Its complete jibberish.
The Holy Spirit is not a feeling. He is a member of Godhead. He testifies of truth. He speaks the Word of God because He is God. And He will show any who study the Book of Mormon and take Moroni's challenge that it is true
Frankly, I am at a complete loss as to how anyone can possibly take the Book of Mormon seriously for more than one chapter.
Frankly, I am at a complete loss as to how anyone can possibly take the Book of Mormon seriously for more than one chapter.
Well that’s easy. They read more than one chapter. That’s how
Heh heh...."Mormon Archaeology"....yes, praise be to the scientists working diligently to discover the secrets of ancient , 200-year old civilizations in remote, mysterious locations, like, the colonial United States.Since this thread is partially about Book of Mormon archaeology I thought I’d share this article out today that shows we have lots to learn about that region of the world:
Scientists find massive Mayan society under Guatemala jungle
Most interesting I thought was:
And the extensive defensive fences, ditch-and-rampart systems and irrigation canals suggest a highly organized workforce.
Just something relevant written today
Frankly, I am at a complete loss as to how anyone can possibly take the Book of Mormon seriously for more than one chapter.
Well that’s easy. They read more than one chapter. That’s how
I've read it cover to cover. I prefer the Harry Potter books.
Heh heh...."Mormon Archaeology"....yes, praise be to the scientists working diligently to discover the secrets of ancient , 200-year old civilizations in remote, mysterious locations, like, the colonial United States.Since this thread is partially about Book of Mormon archaeology I thought I’d share this article out today that shows we have lots to learn about that region of the world:
Scientists find massive Mayan society under Guatemala jungle
Most interesting I thought was:
And the extensive defensive fences, ditch-and-rampart systems and irrigation canals suggest a highly organized workforce.
Just something relevant written today
Frankly, I am at a complete loss as to how anyone can possibly take the Book of Mormon seriously for more than one chapter.
Well that’s easy. They read more than one chapter. That’s how
I've read it cover to cover. I prefer the Harry Potter books.
Fiction usually is better than truth
A problem with your reasoning...other religions will claim this as evidence for the truth of their myths. How to tell who is right? Oops, there is no way to tell. Therefore, by ANY reasonable standard, it is not evidence for Mormonism's myths or any other myths. So you cant use the word evidence.Heh heh...."Mormon Archaeology"....yes, praise be to the scientists working diligently to discover the secrets of ancient , 200-year old civilizations in remote, mysterious locations, like, the colonial United States.Since this thread is partially about Book of Mormon archaeology I thought I’d share this article out today that shows we have lots to learn about that region of the world:
Scientists find massive Mayan society under Guatemala jungle
Most interesting I thought was:
And the extensive defensive fences, ditch-and-rampart systems and irrigation canals suggest a highly organized workforce.
Just something relevant written today
You clearly didn't read the article, which is interesting even without the BoM implications.
But this discovery hurts at least three arguments against the Book of Mormon
1) the claim the Book of Mormon is false because there is no evidence of cities with certain types of fortifications. Here is evidence of those exact fortifications
2) the claim the Book of Mormon is false because it describes huge population that there is no evidence for. This discovery shows that there are there were previously unknown huge populations
3) the claim that we have all the evidence that we will ever find to draw these conclusions, while always apparent to people who seriously thought about it, is very obvious to everyone with this
Now while this is all very interesting and exciting to learn, even if this was a smoking gun, the only way to know the Book of Mormon is true is by studying it and asking the Father in the name of Jesus Christ. When you do that the Holy Spirit will show you it is true
There is no such Moroni challenge found anywhere in the Bible --- only in the book of Mormon. Mormons need converts ---- not Christians, and the only way that can happen is if one accepts the book of Mormon. Christians need only CHRIST.The Word of GOD is founded on fact and not feelings. The Book of Mormon is founded on feelings and not fact.
That is empty rhetoric. Its complete jibberish.
The Holy Spirit is not a feeling. He is a member of Godhead. He testifies of truth. He speaks the Word of God because He is God. And He will show any who study the Book of Mormon and take Moroni's challenge that it is true
The Bible tells us that if we ask, we can receive, that if we seek we shall find, that if we knock it shall be opened into us.
It teaches that if we lack wisdom we can ask God who gives it liberally
It teaches us to prove all things
It teaches us that we can learn truth by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Those are the exact principles at play in Moronis promise. IF we seek to know it’s true through study and prayer. IF we ask in faith, the Lord will show us it’s true by the power of the Spirit.
As for you comments about Christians not seeking converts, that’s absurd. Christ specifically commissioned His Saints to preach the gospel and draw men to Him
And the Book of Mormon is the most powerful tool there is to bring men to Christ
Christians do not need to become Mormons. The book of Mormon is not superior in anyway to the Bible.. It's purely a necessary stepping stone to other books that promote the "mormon" doctrine. There is no doctrinal teaching regarding Christ which doesn't already exist in the Bible. No one becomes saved by becoming Mormon. A person becomes saved by becoming Christ's adopted brothers and sisters. ALL SAVED CHRISTIANS GO TO THE CELESTIAL PLACE KNOWN AS HEAVEN.There is no such Moroni challenge found anywhere in the Bible --- only in the book of Mormon. Mormons need converts ---- not Christians, and the only way that can happen is if one accepts the book of Mormon. Christians need only CHRIST.The Word of GOD is founded on fact and not feelings. The Book of Mormon is founded on feelings and not fact.
That is empty rhetoric. Its complete jibberish.
The Holy Spirit is not a feeling. He is a member of Godhead. He testifies of truth. He speaks the Word of God because He is God. And He will show any who study the Book of Mormon and take Moroni's challenge that it is true
The Bible tells us that if we ask, we can receive, that if we seek we shall find, that if we knock it shall be opened into us.
It teaches that if we lack wisdom we can ask God who gives it liberally
It teaches us to prove all things
It teaches us that we can learn truth by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Those are the exact principles at play in Moronis promise. IF we seek to know it’s true through study and prayer. IF we ask in faith, the Lord will show us it’s true by the power of the Spirit.
As for you comments about Christians not seeking converts, that’s absurd. Christ specifically commissioned His Saints to preach the gospel and draw men to Him
And the Book of Mormon is the most powerful tool there is to bring men to Christ
Very interesting article. I have never heard of this before.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...archaeology-mexico-and-ended-losing-his-faith
This is the main takeaway
In the summer of 1835, Joseph Smith had received a curious visitor in Kirtland, Ohio, then the headquarters of his burgeoning LDS church: a traveling showman, with four Egyptian mummies and some hieroglyphic texts in tow. The church bought the mummies and texts, and Smith said he translated the hieroglyphics, resulting in the Book of Abraham, which lays out Smith's cosmic vision of the afterlife. (Although Egyptian hieroglyphics had been deciphered in France in 1822 with the help of the Rosetta Stone, the news had barely reached U.S. shores.) As Smith and his followers moved around the Midwest, often fleeing angry mobs, they carried the mummies and papyri with them. After Smith's death at the hands of one of those mobs in Nauvoo, Illinois, they were sold by his family.
The fate of the mummies remains a mystery. But in 1966, a University of Utah professor examining artifacts at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City came across 11 Egyptian papyri with an 1856 certificate of sale signed by Smith's widow, Emma. The professor realized he was looking at the Book of Abraham papyri, and the documents were returned to the Mormon church.
Ferguson learned the news from a frontpage article in the newspaper Deseret News on 27 November 1967. Within days, he wrote to a friend in the church leadership, begging to know whether the papyri would be studied. Hearing that no studies were planned, Ferguson, as ever, took matters into his own hands. He received photos of the documents from the church and hired Egyptologists at UC Berkeley to translate them. He told the scholars nothing about the religious significance of the papyri. "He was conducting a clearly blind test," Clark says.
The results started coming in 6 weeks later. "I believe that all of these are spells from the Egyptian Book of the Dead," UC Berkeley Egyptologist Leonard Lesko wrote to Ferguson. Three other scholars independently gave Ferguson the same result: The texts were authentic ancient Egyptian, but represented one of the most common documents in that culture.
A problem with your reasoning...other religions will claim this as evidence for the truth of their myths. How to tell who is right? Oops, there is no way to tell. Therefore, by ANY reasonable standard, it is not evidence for Mormonism's myths or any other myths. So you cant use the word evidence.Heh heh...."Mormon Archaeology"....yes, praise be to the scientists working diligently to discover the secrets of ancient , 200-year old civilizations in remote, mysterious locations, like, the colonial United States.Since this thread is partially about Book of Mormon archaeology I thought I’d share this article out today that shows we have lots to learn about that region of the world:
Scientists find massive Mayan society under Guatemala jungle
Most interesting I thought was:
And the extensive defensive fences, ditch-and-rampart systems and irrigation canals suggest a highly organized workforce.
Just something relevant written today
You clearly didn't read the article, which is interesting even without the BoM implications.
But this discovery hurts at least three arguments against the Book of Mormon
1) the claim the Book of Mormon is false because there is no evidence of cities with certain types of fortifications. Here is evidence of those exact fortifications
2) the claim the Book of Mormon is false because it describes huge population that there is no evidence for. This discovery shows that there are there were previously unknown huge populations
3) the claim that we have all the evidence that we will ever find to draw these conclusions, while always apparent to people who seriously thought about it, is very obvious to everyone with this
Now while this is all very interesting and exciting to learn, even if this was a smoking gun, the only way to know the Book of Mormon is true is by studying it and asking the Father in the name of Jesus Christ. When you do that the Holy Spirit will show you it is true
