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My point, ABS, is that this behavior didn't JUST start. It was going on under Bush as well. Think about it...You know...........those who are at the level of Commander or Captain in the Navy (O4 to O5), are generally desperate to get to flag level and will volunteer for anything or inflate their reports a bit to make themselves look really good.
Saw it happen in the Fleet and saw it happen in Recruiting.
If the people writing the reports are writing them to look better than the situation on the ground really is, how is it Obama's fault? He didn't write the reports, they did.
It really amazes me how ignorant civilians are of what really happens in the military.
My point, ABS, is that this behavior didn't JUST start. It was going on under Bush as well. Think about it...You know...........those who are at the level of Commander or Captain in the Navy (O4 to O5), are generally desperate to get to flag level and will volunteer for anything or inflate their reports a bit to make themselves look really good.
Saw it happen in the Fleet and saw it happen in Recruiting.
If the people writing the reports are writing them to look better than the situation on the ground really is, how is it Obama's fault? He didn't write the reports, they did.
It really amazes me how ignorant civilians are of what really happens in the military.
Thank you...and I agree!My point, ABS, is that this behavior didn't JUST start. It was going on under Bush as well. Think about it...You know...........those who are at the level of Commander or Captain in the Navy (O4 to O5), are generally desperate to get to flag level and will volunteer for anything or inflate their reports a bit to make themselves look really good.
Saw it happen in the Fleet and saw it happen in Recruiting.
If the people writing the reports are writing them to look better than the situation on the ground really is, how is it Obama's fault? He didn't write the reports, they did.
It really amazes me how ignorant civilians are of what really happens in the military.
No, it didn't start under Jr. either. It's been going on (or at least I've been aware of it) since around 1983 (when I first started typing evals and reports for the command) and I've seen it happen several times over the 20 years I was in.
But to blame the person at the top of the chain who is responsible for getting them, not writing them is foolish, because anyone who has spent a decent amount of time in the military (especially if they were Admin), knows this stuff happens because those just below flag rank are desperate to get their star.
However....................I DO blame Jr. for going into Iraq when Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, as well as blame him for using just ONE SOURCE (Curveball) to base the whole Iraq war on, as well as lying about nukes and WMD's. Saddam didn't have any more WMD's, he used them all on the Kurds.
Sorry....Libs can't have it both ways...
If the books were cooked under Bush and thus it is his fault then now that the books are cooked under Obama it's his fault.
All the excuse making and justification BS is just that - double standard partisan hypocritical BS.
My point, ABS, is that this behavior didn't JUST start. It was going on under Bush as well. Think about it...You know...........those who are at the level of Commander or Captain in the Navy (O4 to O5), are generally desperate to get to flag level and will volunteer for anything or inflate their reports a bit to make themselves look really good.
Saw it happen in the Fleet and saw it happen in Recruiting.
If the people writing the reports are writing them to look better than the situation on the ground really is, how is it Obama's fault? He didn't write the reports, they did.
It really amazes me how ignorant civilians are of what really happens in the military.
I'm not saying Obama is 'also guilty', I am saying Bush is possibly 'just as innocent'.
Libs will say 'not possible - it only works one way'.
Hey, Ice...answer me this: Why do some people have to be such dicks? For example, instead of being a rude, condescending ass, why not just say, "It seems you may not have seen / read 'this' and then provide information to help the other person learn and see your side?Sorry....Libs can't have it both ways...
If the books were cooked under Bush and thus it is his fault then now that the books are cooked under Obama it's his fault.
All the excuse making and justification BS is just that - double standard partisan hypocritical BS.
Damn, you are thick.....
Interesting day—
NSC mtg. with President—
As [it] ended he asked to see me alone…
After the meeting ended I went to Oval Office—He was alone
He was at his desk—
He talked about the meet
Then he said I want you to develop a plan to invade Ir[aq]. Do it outside the normal channels. Do it creatively so we don’t have to take so much cover [?]
Rumsfeld’s War and Its Consequences Now
These reports were never meant for public eyes. Some apparently go as far up the chain as the President. There is no reason to "politicize" them since they are not for public consumption, so why would the President want to see stuff that isn't true? That the President might not LIKE hearing the war isn't going so well, wouldn't lead him to want to hear inaccurate reports. He's not THAT dumb. If there's anyone to blame here, it's the upper level offiicials at CENTCOM sprinkling sugar on the President's reports. That is dangerous and it SHOULD be stopped. It is not Obama's fault.Yet another outrage from this historically corrupt and dishonest administration.
Exclusive: 50 Spies Say ISIS Intelligence Was Cooked
This is the kind of lying to the American people that results in American deaths. obama lounges on Martha's Vineyard while the very best American men and women die as a result of lies that stop at his desk.
P.S. Even a President gets to have a vacation.
Un-Fucking-Believable. To the fully-indoctrinated acolytes, nothing is the obama's fault. It's Orwellian. obama is your James Earl Jones.
Please show me where in that article it explains how this is Obama's fault, why he requests getting inaccurate reports. I read it twice. What am I missing?
Hey, Ice...answer me this: Why do some people have to be such dicks? For example, instead of being a rude, condescending ass, why not just say, "It seems you may not have seen / read 'this' and then provide information to help the other person learn and see your side?Sorry....Libs can't have it both ways...
If the books were cooked under Bush and thus it is his fault then now that the books are cooked under Obama it's his fault.
All the excuse making and justification BS is just that - double standard partisan hypocritical BS.
Damn, you are thick.....
Interesting day—
NSC mtg. with President—
As [it] ended he asked to see me alone…
After the meeting ended I went to Oval Office—He was alone
He was at his desk—
He talked about the meet
Then he said I want you to develop a plan to invade Ir[aq]. Do it outside the normal channels. Do it creatively so we don’t have to take so much cover [?]
Rumsfeld’s War and Its Consequences Now
What is it about being anonymous on the internet that causes people to behave in such ways I am sure they don't act in person? Or are you a dick in person as well?
You know.............Donald RumsFAILED is one of those idiots that is on my list. If he was ever in public and I saw him, at the very least, what I would do is call him a sorry fucker and tell him he should have never led the military.
It would be better if I could punch him in the nose for the remark "you go to war with the military you have, not the one you want to have" and then sent our troops into war with unarmored Humvees and a lack of equipment.
These reports were never meant for public eyes. Some apparently go as far up the chain as the President. There is no reason to "politicize" them since they are not for public consumption, so why would the President want to see stuff that isn't true? That the President might not LIKE hearing the war isn't going so well, wouldn't lead him to want to hear inaccurate reports. He's not THAT dumb. If there's anyone to blame here, it's the upper level offiicials at CENTCOM sprinkling sugar on the President's reports. That is dangerous and it SHOULD be stopped. It is not Obama's fault.Yet another outrage from this historically corrupt and dishonest administration.
Exclusive: 50 Spies Say ISIS Intelligence Was Cooked
This is the kind of lying to the American people that results in American deaths. obama lounges on Martha's Vineyard while the very best American men and women die as a result of lies that stop at his desk.
P.S. Even a President gets to have a vacation.
Un-Fucking-Believable. To the fully-indoctrinated acolytes, nothing is the obama's fault. It's Orwellian. obama is your James Earl Jones.
Please show me where in that article it explains how this is Obama's fault, why he requests getting inaccurate reports. I read it twice. What am I missing?
Lame Duck President Barack Hussein Obama doesn't "request" inaccurate reports. He surrounds himself with people whose only goal is to fawn over him and kiss his...ring. No different, whatsoever from other celebrities who have no one to tell the NO, you can't do that, period. President Obama's drug of choice is not cocaine, heroin, gambling or women. President Obama's drug of choice is adulation, worship and more. He has proven that he will not listen to opposing views. So, while he himself doesn't call up these researchers, President Obama's minions make sure the message gets across. From, there...it's simple. You want to keep your job, and advance, you tell them what they demand they hear.
As you know, EVERYONE supported military action against Afghanistan and Iraq. Democrats strongly supported the move as necessary as did the United Nations.You know.............Donald RumsFAILED is one of those idiots that is on my list. If he was ever in public and I saw him, at the very least, what I would do is call him a sorry fucker and tell him he should have never led the military.
It would be better if I could punch him in the nose for the remark "you go to war with the military you have, not the one you want to have" and then sent our troops into war with unarmored Humvees and a lack of equipment.
Just curious, did we enter WW-II with the military we wanted or the one we had?
As you know, EVERYONE supported military action against Afghanistan and Iraq. Democrats strongly supported the move as necessary as did the United Nations.
There were no lies. WMD's were found along with over 500 tonnes of yellow cake. Whether or not it was the right or wrong thing to do is irrelevant as any Monday morning quarterback.
Lame Duck President Barack Hussein Obama and Vice President Joe Biden claimed success and victory in Iran. Then they abandoned the country and then wondered where ISIS came from.
These reports were never meant for public eyes. Some apparently go as far up the chain as the President. There is no reason to "politicize" them since they are not for public consumption, so why would the President want to see stuff that isn't true? That the President might not LIKE hearing the war isn't going so well, wouldn't lead him to want to hear inaccurate reports. He's not THAT dumb. If there's anyone to blame here, it's the upper level offiicials at CENTCOM sprinkling sugar on the President's reports. That is dangerous and it SHOULD be stopped. It is not Obama's fault.Yet another outrage from this historically corrupt and dishonest administration.
Exclusive: 50 Spies Say ISIS Intelligence Was Cooked
This is the kind of lying to the American people that results in American deaths. obama lounges on Martha's Vineyard while the very best American men and women die as a result of lies that stop at his desk.
P.S. Even a President gets to have a vacation.
Un-Fucking-Believable. To the fully-indoctrinated acolytes, nothing is the obama's fault. It's Orwellian. obama is your James Earl Jones.
This is why they're called Obamabots, just like the Hillarybots.
You ridin' the Trump train?
How many votes are you planning to cast?
These reports were never meant for public eyes. Some apparently go as far up the chain as the President. There is no reason to "politicize" them since they are not for public consumption, so why would the President want to see stuff that isn't true? That the President might not LIKE hearing the war isn't going so well, wouldn't lead him to want to hear inaccurate reports. He's not THAT dumb. If there's anyone to blame here, it's the upper level offiicials at CENTCOM sprinkling sugar on the President's reports. That is dangerous and it SHOULD be stopped. It is not Obama's fault.Yet another outrage from this historically corrupt and dishonest administration.
Exclusive: 50 Spies Say ISIS Intelligence Was Cooked
This is the kind of lying to the American people that results in American deaths. obama lounges on Martha's Vineyard while the very best American men and women die as a result of lies that stop at his desk.
P.S. Even a President gets to have a vacation.
Un-Fucking-Believable. To the fully-indoctrinated acolytes, nothing is the obama's fault. It's Orwellian. obama is your James Earl Jones.
These reports were never meant for public eyes. Some apparently go as far up the chain as the President. There is no reason to "politicize" them since they are not for public consumption, so why would the President want to see stuff that isn't true? That the President might not LIKE hearing the war isn't going so well, wouldn't lead him to want to hear inaccurate reports. He's not THAT dumb. If there's anyone to blame here, it's the upper level offiicials at CENTCOM sprinkling sugar on the President's reports. That is dangerous and it SHOULD be stopped. It is not Obama's fault.Yet another outrage from this historically corrupt and dishonest administration.
Exclusive: 50 Spies Say ISIS Intelligence Was Cooked
This is the kind of lying to the American people that results in American deaths. obama lounges on Martha's Vineyard while the very best American men and women die as a result of lies that stop at his desk.
P.S. Even a President gets to have a vacation.
Un-Fucking-Believable. To the fully-indoctrinated acolytes, nothing is the obama's fault. It's Orwellian. obama is your James Earl Jones.
If the senior officials were altering the reports the president received, how would he know?
As you know, EVERYONE supported military action against Afghanistan and Iraq. Democrats strongly supported the move as necessary as did the United Nations.You know.............Donald RumsFAILED is one of those idiots that is on my list. If he was ever in public and I saw him, at the very least, what I would do is call him a sorry fucker and tell him he should have never led the military.
It would be better if I could punch him in the nose for the remark "you go to war with the military you have, not the one you want to have" and then sent our troops into war with unarmored Humvees and a lack of equipment.
Just curious, did we enter WW-II with the military we wanted or the one we had?
As you know, EVERYONE supported military action against Afghanistan and Iraq. Democrats strongly supported the move as necessary as did the United Nations.
There were no lies. WMD's were found along with over 500 tonnes of yellow cake. Whether or not it was the right or wrong thing to do is irrelevant as any Monday morning quarterback.
Lame Duck President Barack Hussein Obama and Vice President Joe Biden claimed success and victory in Iran. Then they abandoned the country and then wondered where ISIS came from.
Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan
Ewen MacAskill and Julian Borger in Washington
The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal.
Mr Annan said that the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN security council or in accordance with the UN's founding charter. In an interview with the BBC World Service broadcast last night, he was asked outright if the war was illegal. He replied: "Yes, if you wish."
He then added unequivocally: "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter. From our point of view and from the charter point of view it was illegal."
Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan
There were no lies. WMD's were found .
PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH:
Now, look, I didn’t — part of the reason we went into Iraq was — the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn’t,
President Bush Admits Iraq Had No WMDs and 'Nothing' to Do With 9/11 | Democracy Now!
along with over 500 tonnes of yellow cake
Q: Was it recently revealed that the U.S. found uranium in Iraq after the invasion in 2003?
A: No. Uranium recently shipped from Iraq to Canada was left over from Saddam Hussein’s defunct nuclear weapons program and had been in sealed containers, under guard, since the end of the first Gulf War in 1991. Claims that this material is "vindication" for President Bush’s WMD claims in 2003 are completely false.
The AP article, published on July 5, said that a large amount of yellowcake uranium was, in fact, sold by Iraq to Canada, as part of a secret mission facilitated by the U.S. But this uranium was known to have been in Iraq following the conclusion of the first Gulf War. It was not "found" in 2003, as the IBD editorial claims. As the AP article said, "There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, [a senior U.S. official] said."
Uranium in Iraq
You know, there are times in the military (usually just before promotion time) that the higher ups do a whole bunch of ass kissing and inflate their reports to make them look better than what they actually were. Saw it happen, even had to type some of the reports and evaluations.
Now, the reports were being inflated and made to look better than what really was happening by those on the ground, because they knew it was going to eventually get to DC, and well........those stars aren't going to put themselves on.
No, Obama didn't know what was going on, he was getting the same BS that everyone else back in DC was getting, which was inflated reports from the commanders in Iraq.
How is it Obama's fault when it's the generals that are looking to get promoted and make themselves look better than what they are actually doing?
You know, there are times in the military (usually just before promotion time) that the higher ups do a whole bunch of ass kissing and inflate their reports to make them look better than what they actually were. Saw it happen, even had to type some of the reports and evaluations.
Now, the reports were being inflated and made to look better than what really was happening by those on the ground, because they knew it was going to eventually get to DC, and well........those stars aren't going to put themselves on.
No, Obama didn't know what was going on, he was getting the same BS that everyone else back in DC was getting, which was inflated reports from the commanders in Iraq.
How is it Obama's fault when it's the generals that are looking to get promoted and make themselves look better than what they are actually doing?
As you know, EVERYONE supported military action against Afghanistan and Iraq. Democrats strongly supported the move as necessary as did the United Nations.You know.............Donald RumsFAILED is one of those idiots that is on my list. If he was ever in public and I saw him, at the very least, what I would do is call him a sorry fucker and tell him he should have never led the military.
It would be better if I could punch him in the nose for the remark "you go to war with the military you have, not the one you want to have" and then sent our troops into war with unarmored Humvees and a lack of equipment.
Just curious, did we enter WW-II with the military we wanted or the one we had?
As you know, EVERYONE supported military action against Afghanistan and Iraq. Democrats strongly supported the move as necessary as did the United Nations.
There were no lies. WMD's were found along with over 500 tonnes of yellow cake. Whether or not it was the right or wrong thing to do is irrelevant as any Monday morning quarterback.
Lame Duck President Barack Hussein Obama and Vice President Joe Biden claimed success and victory in Iran. Then they abandoned the country and then wondered where ISIS came from.
Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan
Ewen MacAskill and Julian Borger in Washington
The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal.
Mr Annan said that the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN security council or in accordance with the UN's founding charter. In an interview with the BBC World Service broadcast last night, he was asked outright if the war was illegal. He replied: "Yes, if you wish."
He then added unequivocally: "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter. From our point of view and from the charter point of view it was illegal."
Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow."Sorry....Libs can't have it both ways...
If the books were cooked under Bush and thus it is his fault then now that the books are cooked under Obama it's his fault.
All the excuse making and justification BS is just that - double standard partisan hypocritical BS.
Damn, you are thick.....
Interesting day—
NSC mtg. with President—
As [it] ended he asked to see me alone…
After the meeting ended I went to Oval Office—He was alone
He was at his desk—
He talked about the meet
Then he said I want you to develop a plan to invade Ir[aq]. Do it outside the normal channels. Do it creatively so we don’t have to take so much cover [?]
Rumsfeld’s War and Its Consequences Now
