Born in the U.S. = American citizen, but not if Trump has his way

[Conservative65]

Trump has proposed ending birthright citizenship. Okay...more nations haven't got that policy than do have that policy. So it's not as though it couldn't be implemented. But how far do we want to go with this?

• 14th Amendment
  "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
  
  
• Statelessness
  • The Human Rights of Stateless Persons

nazis love when citizenship is by blood and not birth.

Leftists like you love it when those born solely due to a criminal act get rewarded for the crime being committed. 14th amendment was never intended to be used to do that and you know it.

 

[Unkotare]

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Never was intended to reward anyone that was born here due to a criminal act. The argument is the kids didn't have anything to do with it. Same argument could be made about the kids of a bank robber. Should they get to keep the money using that same argument?

The 14th Amendment says what the 14th Amendment says. Emoting won't change that.

 

[Conservative65]

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Never was intended to reward anyone that was born here due to a criminal act. The argument is the kids didn't have anything to do with it. Same argument could be made about the kids of a bank robber. Should they get to keep the money using that same argument?

The 14th Amendment says what the 14th Amendment says. Emoting won't change that.

Do you support Obamacare? Do you support same sex marriage? Do you support social welfare programs? Do you support government housing being available? Do you support social security being mandated?

 

[Unkotare]

Trump has proposed ending birthright citizenship. Okay...more nations haven't got that policy than do have that policy. So it's not as though it couldn't be implemented. But how far do we want to go with this?

• 14th Amendment
  "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
  
  
• Statelessness
  • The Human Rights of Stateless Persons

nazis love when citizenship is by blood and not birth.

Here again, more pointless emoting. Screaming "kick 'em out!" on one side or "you're a nazi!" on the other accomplishes exactly nothing. What is it about this topic that seems to prevent anyone from any spot on the political spectrum from discussing it rationally?

 

[Tom Horn]

.........hopefully they can start a revolution in mexico, throw out the ruling families and drug cartels and STAY THERE.

This may come as a shock, but not all illegal aliens come from Mexico.

No shit? Ask somebody who sneaked in from central america how the mexicans treated them passing through. You've lost this debate...call in the dogs and piss on the fire.

 

[Unkotare]

.... Ask somebody who sneaked in from central america [sic] how the mexicans [sic] treated them passing through. .....

I have, many times. Answers vary.

 

[ChrisL]

We have every right to enforce our illegal immigration laws. We cannot provide for everyone. OUR resources have their limits, and this is why we have rules and regulations to become a citizen of this country. There are also important steps that need to be taken when it comes to accepting immigrants, such as medical exams, at least a basic ability to read and write in English.

More illegal immigrants get killed on job sites because they cannot understand or follow directions or can't read warning signs, and I would imagine this to be especially true in certain industries, like construction. It's important that they are all speaking the same language on the job site which can be a dangerous place.

They also have to be able to follow the rules of the road when driving, be able to read and understand street signs, etc.

 

[kaz]

Trump has proposed ending birthright citizenship. Okay...more nations haven't got that policy than do have that policy. So it's not as though it couldn't be implemented. But how far do we want to go with this?

• 14th Amendment
  "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
  
  
• Statelessness
  • The Human Rights of Stateless Persons

Illegal aliens are subject to the country they came from, not the United States, they are here illegally. That was written to ensure black slaves were citizens and therefore had Constitutional rights, it was not to grant citizenship to criminals

 

[kaz]

.... Ask somebody who sneaked in from central america [sic] how the mexicans [sic] treated them passing through. .....

I have, many times. Answers vary.

I'm sure it does, but the Mexican government if it arrests them puts them in jail for two years

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Show me where in the U.S. Constitution birthright citizenship is addressed.

 

[Tom Horn]

.... Ask somebody who sneaked in from central america [sic] how the mexicans [sic] treated them passing through. .....

I have, many times. Answers vary.

I'm sure it does, but the Mexican government if it arrests them puts them in jail for two years

After their cops have robbed, raped, and beaten the shit out of them.

 

[320 Years of History]

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS CAN'T VOTE. Why do people keep using this argument? It's stupid.

Illegal immigrants most certainly CAN vote. The question is 'Do they?'

Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote - California Political Review

Guy Benson - Fraud: Local NBC Investigation Discovers Dozens of Illegal Voters in Florida

Democrats Benefit From Illegal Immigrant Voting

(PLEASE learn from this and stop saying Illegals voting in our elections is a myth. You are WRONG.)


Americans aren't supposed to vote more than once for a candidate in the same election, but it happens / has happened:


- This woman bragged about how she voted 5 times for Obama in 2012 yet claims she is not guilty of voter fraud. REALLY?!

...the judge / courts decided differently:
Ohioan gets 5-year prison term for illegal voting

Voting or nonvoting illegals, what gets my goat most is that when pols want to redistrict, they want to count the illegals to determine the political lines they draw. I sort of get that seeing as jurisdictions can end up providing some services to the American born children of illegal aliens. IMO, redistricting should count the American children of illegal immigrants because for better or worse, like it or not, under current law, the kids are Americans. Do redistricting officials count just the kids or the adults and the kids? I don't know, and I haven't tried to find out.

But here's the thing. There're a ton of hijinks that can be played when drawing political district lines:

• Incumbency, Redistricting, and the Decline of Competition in U.S. House Elections
  
• Machine Politics (this is the "overview" version)
• 7 Things to Know About Redistricting -- (this is the "what" with little "how" or "why")

In light of that, I think it only appropriate that officials accept the good with the bad as goes illegals and when they can count and when they cannot. Having the cake and eating it too doesn't sit well with me.

• If officials want to count the illegals for redistricting purposes, fine, but then I don't want to hear them griping when those people vote because ostensibly the main point of redistricting is to balance voters.
• If officials have redistricted and counted illegals, and then the illegals get deported, are officials going to redraw the lines and when? Will they instead leave the district unbalanced numerically, thus electorally?

 

[320 Years of History]

Trump has proposed ending birthright citizenship. Okay...more nations haven't got that policy than do have that policy. So it's not as though it couldn't be implemented. But how far do we want to go with this?

• 14th Amendment
  "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
  
  
• Statelessness
  • The Human Rights of Stateless Persons

Illegal aliens are subject to the country they came from, not the United States, they are here illegally. That was written to ensure black slaves were citizens and therefore had Constitutional rights, it was not to grant citizenship to criminals

Trump has proposed ending birthright citizenship. Okay...more nations haven't got that policy than do have that policy. So it's not as though it couldn't be implemented. But how far do we want to go with this?

• 14th Amendment
  "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
  
  
• Statelessness
  • The Human Rights of Stateless Persons

nazis love when citizenship is by blood and not birth.

Leftists like you love it when those born solely due to a criminal act get rewarded for the crime being committed. 14th amendment was never intended to be used to do that and you know it.

Yes, well, folks have different interpretations of what nearly every Constitutional Amendment and Article was written to do and what it means today.

 

[Unkotare]

.... Ask somebody who sneaked in from central america [sic] how the mexicans [sic] treated them passing through. .....

I have, many times. Answers vary.

I'm sure it does, but the Mexican government if it arrests them puts them in jail for two years

Only under certain circumstances. Under the Programa Frontera Sur, funded in large part by the US, a great many illegal border crossers are deported back to Central America. In fact, there seems to be something of a quota system in place regarding the number of illegals deported back to Guatemala. The pressure to deport 'enough' people there is such that more than a few Mexican citizens are being rounded up, roughed up, and 'deported' from their own country to one they couldn't even point out on a map.

 

[easyt65]

Yes, well, folks have different interpretations of what nearly every Constitutional Amendment and Article was written to do and what it means today.

That's because people, especially Liberals, seek to either twist it t mean something it doesn't say in order to support their agenda, violate / ignore it altogether, or seek to strip parts of the Constitution away.

 

[Unkotare]

Show me where in the U.S. Constitution birthright citizenship is addressed.

14 Amendment.

 

[Unkotare]

....

Illegal aliens are subject to the country they came from, not the United States....

So, if an illegal alien steals a car in the US, it's not a crime? He won't be arrested and prosecuted?

 

[320 Years of History]

Yes, well, folks have different interpretations of what nearly every Constitutional Amendment and Article was written to do and what it means today.

That's because people, especially Liberals, seek to either twist it t mean something it doesn't say in order to support their agenda, violate / ignore it altogether, or seek to strip parts of the Constitution away.

Oh, puh-lease. The ideas of strict and loose constructionist interpretations of the Constitution are neither new nor liberal or conservative.

• Strict Constructionism vs. Broad Constructionism
• Constitutional Interpretation and the Problem of History

 

[Tom Horn]

....

Illegal aliens are subject to the country they came from, not the United States....

So, if an illegal alien steals a car in the US, it's not a crime? He won't be arrested and prosecuted?

That's correct. They're released because of "overcrowding" and disappear thanks to the piece of shit in White House and his quest for millions of voters to seal the deal on the destruction of the white power elites. The democRATS don't give a shit what the consequences are as long as they can hold power.

 

[kaz]

Trump has proposed ending birthright citizenship. Okay...more nations haven't got that policy than do have that policy. So it's not as though it couldn't be implemented. But how far do we want to go with this?

• 14th Amendment
  "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
  
  
• Statelessness
  • The Human Rights of Stateless Persons

Illegal aliens are subject to the country they came from, not the United States, they are here illegally. That was written to ensure black slaves were citizens and therefore had Constitutional rights, it was not to grant citizenship to criminals

Trump has proposed ending birthright citizenship. Okay...more nations haven't got that policy than do have that policy. So it's not as though it couldn't be implemented. But how far do we want to go with this?

• 14th Amendment
  "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
  
  
• Statelessness
  • The Human Rights of Stateless Persons

nazis love when citizenship is by blood and not birth.

Leftists like you love it when those born solely due to a criminal act get rewarded for the crime being committed. 14th amendment was never intended to be used to do that and you know it.

Yes, well, folks have different interpretations of what nearly every Constitutional Amendment and Article was written to do and what it means today.

Bull crap. "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is completely clear. Illegal aliens are not subject to our jurisdiction. They are subject to the jurisdiction of the country they came from. You are just ignoring that condition