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The occupation is the defining factor.

So you would agree then, that the Chinese people have no right to sovereign self-determination.

Bump for P F Tinmore . You didn't address this. If occupation is the defining factor for whether or not peoples have rights to sovereignty then there are a large number of peoples who, due to holding occupations, would be ineligible for self-determination and sovereignty, including the Turks, the Chinese, Indonesians, Moroccans, Spanish and a whole host of others.

Since I am certain you will say that the Chinese people DO have a right to sovereignty and self-determination, your claim that occupation is the defining factor is patently false. You are applying standards to Israel that you do not apply to China.

This was my original post on this mini-topic:

So many useful idiots have bought into this notion -- that the destruction of a sovereign State is not only permissible but the morally superior act.

This is intimately tied to irrational beliefs about Jews, I think. It speaks to a double standard held only for Jews. While people might speak about dismantling a sovereign State's government as a morally correct action against a harmful government, I can't think of a single instance of suggesting that self-determination be removed from an entire people -- except Israel. Surely, no one is suggesting, for example, that the Persian people of Iran must not be permitted under any circumstances to have a sovereign nation and self-determination, are they?

So, again I ask you -- Can the right to self-determination be removed from a people, or can they be rendered ineligible for that right? If yes, under what circumstances?

You don't make any sense.

Sigh. Let me break it down again.

Do the Chinese people have the right to sovereignty and self-determination even though their State is occupying another peoples? If yes, then occupation is not the determining factor.

You’re not going to get a response. If he refuses to acknowledge whether or not the Israelis have the Rights to their Religious Sites or why Israel is under any obligation to cede any of the “ 67 Borders” linking Gaza and the W. Bank you’re not going to get a response.
He can’t stand the fact that Israel Exists. It’s that simple.

 

[Shusha]

You’re not going to get a response. If he refuses to acknowledge whether or not the Israelis have the Rights to their Religious Sites or why Israel is under any obligation to cede any of the “ 67 Borders” linking Gaza and the W. Bank you’re not going to get a response.
He can’t stand the fact that Israel Exists. It’s that simple.

Of course I'm not going to get a response. Tinmore ignores me on a regular basis. But I find it FAR more revealing what they choose to ignore than what they respond to. It shows where their weaknesses are. Tinmore believes that Jews should not have the fundamental human rights that all other peoples have. I'm not trying to convince him to change his mind about his view of Jews. He's never going to do that. I do try to make reasoned arguments and offer factual information for those who might be reading but not posting.

 

[Sixties Fan]

“Today’s resolution is another important step in our efforts as we change the rules of the game at the UN,” Danon said. “Less than two weeks ago, a plurality of members in the General Assembly voted to denounce Hamas, and now today’s resolution explicitly condemned terrorists for the despicable double war crime of hiding behind women and children while attacking civilians.”

“There is much work to be done,” Danon continued, “but this milestone accomplishment brings us closer to the day when the UN will focus on truly bringing security and stability to the world.”

The Global Counter Terrorism Strategy was first adopted in 2006 and is reviewed every two years.

The update approved on Tuesday decries the use of “schools and hospitals, for military purposes such as launching attacks and storing weapons,” as well as the use of “civilians to shield military objectives from attacks.”

(full article online)

Israeli Envoy Hails ‘Unprecedented’ UN Condemnation of Use of Human Shields by Terror Groups

 

[P F Tinmore]

Looking back at the 11-year campaign against Lev Leviev

 

[rylah]

Looking back at the 11-year campaign against Lev Leviev

Lev Levaiev is a virtuous man, he has donated more money to his society than the billions of aid and donations that Abbas and Hamas put in their pockets.

No wonder You target him.

 

[rylah]

Report: Bahraini King Opposes BDS, Allows Visits to Israel

Bahrain’s King Hamad bin Isa al Khalifa has told the head of the Simon Wiesenthal Center that he is against boycotts of Israel and Bahrainis are permitted to visit Israel.
The Jerusalem Post reports that King Hamad made the comment to Rabbi Abraham Cooper during an event at the center in Los Angeles to promote support for a declaration condemning religious hatred and violence.

At the multi-national, multi-denominational gathering last week, some 400 representatives from around the world—including Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and Sikhs—pledged in writing their commitment to tolerance.

In a noteworthy moment of tolerance, Arab officials at the event stood in respect for the Israeli national anthem Hatikvah, played by the Bahrain National Orchestra.

Report: Bahraini King Opposes BDS, Allows Visits to Israel | Jewish News | Israel News | Israel Politics

 

[rylah]

Kick Antisemitism Out of Sports

 

[Sixties Fan]

You probably won’t see this in the mainstream news. Arab media sources (English translation) are reporting that on his drive north of Ramallah, “palestinian” Arab kids threw stones at Prince William’s car.

As Prince William’s convoy was driving through the Jelazun refugee camp north of Ramallah, Arab children threw rocks at his car. This was a very embarrassing event for Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian Authority. The official excuse for the stoning of Prince William was that they didn’t “prepare” the residents of the refugee camp for the Prince’s arrival.

(full article online)

Prince William Stoned by Palestinian Arabs During his Visit to Ramallah

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ Ukraine doing to Jewish headstones before the creation of Israel, what the Jordanians did to Jewish headstones in Jerusalem between 1948 and 1967]

Nazar estimated that there could be up to 100 headstones under the stretch of road, and maybe more. Photos show them lying flat and closely packed, some face down and some face up. They had been covered over by the road surface. Many of the stones appear to be intact. Volunteers said most seem to date from the first part of the 20th century.

Volunteers rescue Jewish headstones used to pave Ukraine street


[Boycotting Israel and Jews. What else is new? ]

 

[Sixties Fan]

The only Palestinians who deserve "refugee aid" are the ones who have fled within or out of Syria - and that should come from UNHCR, not UNRWA.

There is no reason that the world should fund the education and healthcare of a single Palestinian Arab citizen, who should go to Palestinian public schools and use Palestinian medical facilities. They are not refugees - they are living in the land that they claim as theirs.

There is no reason the world should fund the education and healthcare of the vast majority of Jordanian Palestinians who are full citizens of Jordan. They are not refugees.

There is no reason that UNRWA should claim 450,000 refugees in Lebanon when nearly half of their "registered refugees" have moved to Europe and elsewhere.

And, of course, after 70 years there is no reason to maintain a huge bureaucracy that does nothing to actually help "refugees" get settled in their host countries, or anywhere else.
Moreover, Power certainly knows, there is not an unlimited amount of aid money worldwide. She is implying that maintaining the excellent support Palestinians get from UNRWA is more important than needy refugees in Syria, Yemen, South Sudan and Myanmar.

(full article online)

Samantha Power shills for @UNRWA ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

Every time a Jew peacefully walks around the Temple Mount - which is virtually every weekday - Arab media freaks out about "settlers storming Al Aqsa" with "provocative tours" meant to "hurt Muslim feelings."

Today, Prince William actually went into the Al Aqsa Mosque, which no Jews ever do, and no one is complaining about "storming."



What is that phrase for when Jews are the only ones treated without the same rights everyone else has again?

(vide photos and video online)

Prince William storms the Al Aqsa Mosque (video) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

The real shock for the uninitiated, however, is that Israeli hospitals are full of Arabs. I can’t give you the breakdown for the percent of Arabs treated in Israeli hospitals. According to Elder of Ziyon, however, over 100,000 Palestinian Authority Arabs were treated in Israeli hospitals in 2015. The non-Israeli patient load at Safra Children’s Hospital of Tel HaShomer Sheba’s pediatric oncology ward is at times 75% of the total ward population, while Ichilov Hospital’s pediatric oncology ward patients are 90% non-Israeli, meaning the patients are largely foreigners and PA residents.

All this is just the tip of the iceberg. We haven’t even looked at the breakdown for Gazan and Syrian patients treated in Israeli hospitals. But as someone who has had to spend lots of time in hospitals and clinics of late, it looks as though at least a third of the patients are Arabs. Moreover, much of the staff is of Arab lineage.

(full article online)

Real Coexistence: The Israeli Hospital Experience (Judean Rose) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ Slowly, but surely... one thing at a time.....maybe in the next 50 years.... ]

Prince William said to refuse to meet with Mayor Barkat in Jerusalem

 

[Sixties Fan]

However in typical BBC style, Yolande Knell erased all the history prior to June 1967 from her simplistic account:

Knell: “Israel captured the east of the city in the 1967 war and later annexed it in a move that’s not internationally recognised. It sees all the city as its capital but Palestinians want East Jerusalem as their capital.”

Knell then went on to provide listeners with an overtly partisan view of the issue from the PLO’s Hanan Ashrawi:

Knell: “Palestinian official Hanan Ashrawi says the Palace is using the right descriptions.”

Ashrawi: “The only country that has violated international law openly and admitted Jerusalem as the capital of Israel is the US…is Trump. And the UK has not changed its position. It still considers Jerusalem as occupied territory. You cannot expect the royal visit to come and become complicit in land theft and the illegal annexation of Jerusalem.”

Not only did Knell not bother to challenge Ashrawi’s inaccurate and deliberately provocative claim of “land theft” or to clarify that her selected contributor’s claims concerning “international law” are a matter of opinion, she did not even make the effort to inform Radio 4 listeners that – as she doubtless knows, because their embassies are located in the same Jerusalem complex as the BBC’s own offices – in addition to the United States, Guatemala and Paraguay have also recognised Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

Instead, Knell simply changed the subject and moved on with her report.

(full article online )

BBC R4 ‘Today’ listeners sold short by Knell’s portrayal of Jerusalem

 

[Sixties Fan]

Tel Aviv University Partners With University of Illinois for R&D

 

[Sixties Fan]

http://nocamels.com/2018/06/eilat-travel-tech-start-hotspot/

 

[P F Tinmore]

The only Palestinians who deserve "refugee aid" are the ones who have fled within or out of Syria - and that should come from UNHCR, not UNRWA.

There is no reason that the world should fund the education and healthcare of a single Palestinian Arab citizen, who should go to Palestinian public schools and use Palestinian medical facilities. They are not refugees - they are living in the land that they claim as theirs.

There is no reason the world should fund the education and healthcare of the vast majority of Jordanian Palestinians who are full citizens of Jordan. They are not refugees.

There is no reason that UNRWA should claim 450,000 refugees in Lebanon when nearly half of their "registered refugees" have moved to Europe and elsewhere.

And, of course, after 70 years there is no reason to maintain a huge bureaucracy that does nothing to actually help "refugees" get settled in their host countries, or anywhere else.
Moreover, Power certainly knows, there is not an unlimited amount of aid money worldwide. She is implying that maintaining the excellent support Palestinians get from UNRWA is more important than needy refugees in Syria, Yemen, South Sudan and Myanmar.

(full article online)

Samantha Power shills for @UNRWA ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

And, of course, after 70 years there is no reason to maintain a huge bureaucracy that does nothing to actually help "refugees" get settled in their host countries, or anywhere else.

UNWRA has no authority to find solutions for the refugees. It is the UNCCP that has that mandate.

You need to push the UN to get that rolling.

 

[Hollie]

The only Palestinians who deserve "refugee aid" are the ones who have fled within or out of Syria - and that should come from UNHCR, not UNRWA.

There is no reason that the world should fund the education and healthcare of a single Palestinian Arab citizen, who should go to Palestinian public schools and use Palestinian medical facilities. They are not refugees - they are living in the land that they claim as theirs.

There is no reason the world should fund the education and healthcare of the vast majority of Jordanian Palestinians who are full citizens of Jordan. They are not refugees.

There is no reason that UNRWA should claim 450,000 refugees in Lebanon when nearly half of their "registered refugees" have moved to Europe and elsewhere.

And, of course, after 70 years there is no reason to maintain a huge bureaucracy that does nothing to actually help "refugees" get settled in their host countries, or anywhere else.
Moreover, Power certainly knows, there is not an unlimited amount of aid money worldwide. She is implying that maintaining the excellent support Palestinians get from UNRWA is more important than needy refugees in Syria, Yemen, South Sudan and Myanmar.

(full article online)

Samantha Power shills for @UNRWA ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

And, of course, after 70 years there is no reason to maintain a huge bureaucracy that does nothing to actually help "refugees" get settled in their host countries, or anywhere else.

UNWRA has no authority to find solutions for the refugees. It is the UNCCP that has that mandate.

You need to push the UN to get that rolling.

There is no reason to push the UN. Another bloated, useless agency dedicated to concern itself with Arab-Islamist welfare cheats, falsely labeled as "refugees" is a waste of time.

 

[rylah]

UNWRA has no authority to find solutions for the refugees. It is the UNCCP that has that mandate.

You need to push the UN to get that rolling.

UNRWA - United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine
UNCCP - United Nations Conciliation Commission for Palestine

...does the UN have a separate agency for specialized Palestinian toilet paper as well?