BREAKING: Active shooter in Midland/Odessa TX

[pismoe]

Didn't he have a car? Aren't cars used in about 30 times the number of homicides than guns? About a thousand times the number of homicides than so called assault rifles? He would have done what they do in France, and just run people over.

Yep,
More people are killed by lawnmowers every year in the country than people using ARs to kill people. And no one in this country has an right to lawnmower ownership...

People kill people not firearms… Firearms have no control over people

in 2017 5977 pedestrians were hit and killed by a vehicle while 403 people were killed with a rifle.

In 2018, 387 people were killed in mass shootings alone (that's 4 or more people killed in a single shooting). Considering there have been more than 40,000 gun deaths in the US in 2018 alone, you can bet that the total number easily exceeds your measly 5977.

How many of those gun deaths were suicides?

Then how many of those gun deaths were done by someone that obtained their firearm illegally?

Now you have laws on the books already to prevent stuff from happening, so how many more do you need to tell someone not to drive and fire on the public?

So how often do 4 or more people get together & decide to shoot themselves?

A ban won't stop then all, but Jesus Fucking Christ can wed do something to stop a lot of them????

yeah , go ahead , 'david hogg' is looking for partners RDave .

 

[ABikerSailor]

Time to ban the sales of military-style weapons, they seem to drive people insane. Or insane people love them at any rate you can kill too many people too fast with these things. Let's hear from our resident gun dealer...

The supreme court ruled that in order for a firearm to be protected by the second amendment, it must have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, in common use of the time, and supplied by the citizen.

So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Let's see in verbatim. Not some regurgitation of what you think it says. And just the Ruling part where that part is what really counts. I can claim that it also says that the world is flat, the Moon Landing was ruled as fake and the Sun revolves around the Sun but I can't give a direct ruling quote that the Supreme Court ruled that way.

You are operating under the premise if you say a lie enough times that it becomes the truth. Nope, no matter how many times you tell a lie, it's still a lie.

What do you mean let's see it verbatim? tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Do you mean you can't figure that part out? When I quote the various Court Rulings I directly quote the Rulings verbatim and post it. I don't interpret them. I let them stand on their own. I don't have to read into them. I don't have to make shit up. You need to do the same thing. You keep bringing up these court rulings. You want me to accept your opinion, back it up with the actual court ruling word for word. Not your screwball interpretation of it.

Once you answer that question you'll also have the answer to your question. So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

We don't have a "well regulated militia" in the sense that the Founders wrote it. We didn't have a standing military, so every person with a weapon was considered part of the well regulated militia.

Ever since the formation of our own military, a militia has not been required.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Time to ban the sales of military-style weapons, they seem to drive people insane. Or insane people love them at any rate you can kill too many people too fast with these things. Let's hear from our resident gun dealer...

The supreme court ruled that in order for a firearm to be protected by the second amendment, it must have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, in common use of the time, and supplied by the citizen.

So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Let's see in verbatim. Not some regurgitation of what you think it says. And just the Ruling part where that part is what really counts. I can claim that it also says that the world is flat, the Moon Landing was ruled as fake and the Sun revolves around the Sun but I can't give a direct ruling quote that the Supreme Court ruled that way.

You are operating under the premise if you say a lie enough times that it becomes the truth. Nope, no matter how many times you tell a lie, it's still a lie.

What do you mean let's see it verbatim? tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Do you mean you can't figure that part out? When I quote the various Court Rulings I directly quote the Rulings verbatim and post it. I don't interpret them. I let them stand on their own. I don't have to read into them. I don't have to make shit up. You need to do the same thing. You keep bringing up these court rulings. You want me to accept your opinion, back it up with the actual court ruling word for word. Not your screwball interpretation of it.

Once you answer that question you'll also have the answer to your question. So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Let's see. If I am part of the Well Regulated Militia, that means that I belong to a State Sponsored Militia like the SDF, Police Force and a few others. And the common weapon for them would be the AR-15, M-16 or the M-4. And you will find that the laws back that up along with the Federal Firearms laws pertaining to the sale and distribution of Automatic Weapons. You think because you are part of a bunch of yokels running around the woods wearing green pickel suits that they should get the same weapons? Nope. Only if the States and localities allows it and more and more states localities are removing the AR-15 from the allowable list. You are NOT part of the Organized Militia. In fact, the California Police have to turn in their ARs when they go off duty and go home. As does every other SDF unit.

So the answer to your question is, not all weapons used by the Organized Militia is authorized to be used in the Civilian world.

I know you won't accept that but it's the law.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The supreme court ruled that in order for a firearm to be protected by the second amendment, it must have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, in common use of the time, and supplied by the citizen.

So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Let's see in verbatim. Not some regurgitation of what you think it says. And just the Ruling part where that part is what really counts. I can claim that it also says that the world is flat, the Moon Landing was ruled as fake and the Sun revolves around the Sun but I can't give a direct ruling quote that the Supreme Court ruled that way.

You are operating under the premise if you say a lie enough times that it becomes the truth. Nope, no matter how many times you tell a lie, it's still a lie.

What do you mean let's see it verbatim? tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Do you mean you can't figure that part out? When I quote the various Court Rulings I directly quote the Rulings verbatim and post it. I don't interpret them. I let them stand on their own. I don't have to read into them. I don't have to make shit up. You need to do the same thing. You keep bringing up these court rulings. You want me to accept your opinion, back it up with the actual court ruling word for word. Not your screwball interpretation of it.

Once you answer that question you'll also have the answer to your question. So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

We don't have a "well regulated militia" in the sense that the Founders wrote it. We didn't have a standing military, so every person with a weapon was considered part of the well regulated militia.

Ever since the formation of our own military, a militia has not been required.

We have an unorganized Militia
10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
And if you have an issue with a supreme court ruling take it up with them.

 

[pismoe]

Well, about a half hour ago, a Home Depot was shot up in Odessa. And, apparently there are 2 of them. One is in a gold and white truck, one is in a postal van.

Details are still coming in. So far, 1 is dead, and 10 or more are injured.

Authorities responding to reports of shootings in West Texas


Authorities responding to reports of shootings in West Texas

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By Caroline Linton

Updated on: August 31, 2019 / 6:09 PM / CBS News


The Odessa Police Department posted on Facebook that there are "multiple people shot" and at least one suspect driving around in a hijacked mail truck "shooting at random people."



"The suspect just hijacked a U.S. mail carrier truck and was last seen in the area of 38th and Walnut," the Facebook post read. "Everyone is encouraged to get off the road and use extreme caution! All law enforcement is currently searching for the suspect and more information will be released as soon as it becomes available."

The Midland Police Department posted on Facebook they believe two shooters were involved and using two separate vehicles. One suspect is believed to be at the Cinergy movie theater in Midland and the other is believed to be driving on Loop 250 in Midland, the police said.

T's & P's

STFU.

I sure hope that no one you know and care for was shot.

-------------------------------- more play on Emotions eh Bode ??

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The supreme court ruled that in order for a firearm to be protected by the second amendment, it must have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, in common use of the time, and supplied by the citizen.

So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Let's see in verbatim. Not some regurgitation of what you think it says. And just the Ruling part where that part is what really counts. I can claim that it also says that the world is flat, the Moon Landing was ruled as fake and the Sun revolves around the Sun but I can't give a direct ruling quote that the Supreme Court ruled that way.

You are operating under the premise if you say a lie enough times that it becomes the truth. Nope, no matter how many times you tell a lie, it's still a lie.

What do you mean let's see it verbatim? tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Do you mean you can't figure that part out? When I quote the various Court Rulings I directly quote the Rulings verbatim and post it. I don't interpret them. I let them stand on their own. I don't have to read into them. I don't have to make shit up. You need to do the same thing. You keep bringing up these court rulings. You want me to accept your opinion, back it up with the actual court ruling word for word. Not your screwball interpretation of it.

Once you answer that question you'll also have the answer to your question. So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Let's see. If I am part of the Well Regulated Militia, that means that I belong to a State Sponsored Militia like the SDF, Police Force and a few others. And the common weapon for them would be the AR-15, M-16 or the M-4. And you will find that the laws back that up along with the Federal Firearms laws pertaining to the sale and distribution of Automatic Weapons. You think because you are part of a bunch of yokels running around the woods wearing green pickel suits that they should get the same weapons? Nope. Only if the States and localities allows it and more and more states localities are removing the AR-15 from the allowable list. You are NOT part of the Organized Militia. In fact, the California Police have to turn in their ARs when they go off duty and go home. As does every other SDF unit.

So the answer to your question is, not all weapons used by the Organized Militia is authorized to be used in the Civilian world.

I know you won't accept that but it's the law.

nope the unorganized Militia.you and every able body man and woman are part of it.
10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The supreme court ruled that in order for a firearm to be protected by the second amendment, it must have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, in common use of the time, and supplied by the citizen.

So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Let's see in verbatim. Not some regurgitation of what you think it says. And just the Ruling part where that part is what really counts. I can claim that it also says that the world is flat, the Moon Landing was ruled as fake and the Sun revolves around the Sun but I can't give a direct ruling quote that the Supreme Court ruled that way.

You are operating under the premise if you say a lie enough times that it becomes the truth. Nope, no matter how many times you tell a lie, it's still a lie.

What do you mean let's see it verbatim? tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Do you mean you can't figure that part out? When I quote the various Court Rulings I directly quote the Rulings verbatim and post it. I don't interpret them. I let them stand on their own. I don't have to read into them. I don't have to make shit up. You need to do the same thing. You keep bringing up these court rulings. You want me to accept your opinion, back it up with the actual court ruling word for word. Not your screwball interpretation of it.

Once you answer that question you'll also have the answer to your question. So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

We don't have a "well regulated militia" in the sense that the Founders wrote it. We didn't have a standing military, so every person with a weapon was considered part of the well regulated militia.

Ever since the formation of our own military, a militia has not been required.

Actually, there were requirements. And not every one met those requirements. It even went so far as to requiring to have X amount of Powder available, X number of balls available and one at least musket available. And it exempted anyone not white, free, non land owner and not in good standings in the community (another way of saying Tory).

 

[Marion Morrison]

Time to ban the sales of military-style weapons, they seem to drive people insane. Or insane people love them at any rate you can kill too many people too fast with these things. Let's hear from our resident gun dealer...

The supreme court ruled that in order for a firearm to be protected by the second amendment, it must have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, in common use of the time, and supplied by the citizen.

So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Let's see in verbatim. Not some regurgitation of what you think it says. And just the Ruling part where that part is what really counts. I can claim that it also says that the world is flat, the Moon Landing was ruled as fake and the Sun revolves around the Sun but I can't give a direct ruling quote that the Supreme Court ruled that way.

You are operating under the premise if you say a lie enough times that it becomes the truth. Nope, no matter how many times you tell a lie, it's still a lie.

What do you mean let's see it verbatim? tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Do you mean you can't figure that part out? When I quote the various Court Rulings I directly quote the Rulings verbatim and post it. I don't interpret them. I let them stand on their own. I don't have to read into them. I don't have to make shit up. You need to do the same thing. You keep bringing up these court rulings. You want me to accept your opinion, back it up with the actual court ruling word for word. Not your screwball interpretation of it.

The supreme court ruled that in order for a firearm to be protected by the second amendment, it must have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, in common use of the time, and supplied by the citizen.

So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Let's see in verbatim. Not some regurgitation of what you think it says. And just the Ruling part where that part is what really counts. I can claim that it also says that the world is flat, the Moon Landing was ruled as fake and the Sun revolves around the Sun but I can't give a direct ruling quote that the Supreme Court ruled that way.

You are operating under the premise if you say a lie enough times that it becomes the truth. Nope, no matter how many times you tell a lie, it's still a lie.

What do you mean let's see it verbatim? tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Do you mean you can't figure that part out? When I quote the various Court Rulings I directly quote the Rulings verbatim and post it. I don't interpret them. I let them stand on their own. I don't have to read into them. I don't have to make shit up. You need to do the same thing. You keep bringing up these court rulings. You want me to accept your opinion, back it up with the actual court ruling word for word. Not your screwball interpretation of it.

Once you answer that question you'll also have the answer to your question. So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Let's see. If I am part of the Well Regulated Militia, that means that I belong to a State Sponsored Militia like the SDF, Police Force and a few others. And the common weapon for them would be the AR-15, M-16 or the M-4. And you will find that the laws back that up along with the Federal Firearms laws pertaining to the sale and distribution of Automatic Weapons. You think because you are part of a bunch of yokels running around the woods wearing green pickel suits that they should get the same weapons? Nope. Only if the States and localities allows it and more and more states localities are removing the AR-15 from the allowable list. You are NOT part of the Organized Militia. In fact, the California Police have to turn in their ARs when they go off duty and go home. As does every other SDF unit.

So the answer to your question is, not all weapons used by the Organized Militia is authorized to be used in the Civilian world.

I know you won't accept that but it's the law.

You have the definition for well-regulated wrong. In the FF time, "Well-regulated" meant in proper working order.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Let's see in verbatim. Not some regurgitation of what you think it says. And just the Ruling part where that part is what really counts. I can claim that it also says that the world is flat, the Moon Landing was ruled as fake and the Sun revolves around the Sun but I can't give a direct ruling quote that the Supreme Court ruled that way.

You are operating under the premise if you say a lie enough times that it becomes the truth. Nope, no matter how many times you tell a lie, it's still a lie.

What do you mean let's see it verbatim? tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Do you mean you can't figure that part out? When I quote the various Court Rulings I directly quote the Rulings verbatim and post it. I don't interpret them. I let them stand on their own. I don't have to read into them. I don't have to make shit up. You need to do the same thing. You keep bringing up these court rulings. You want me to accept your opinion, back it up with the actual court ruling word for word. Not your screwball interpretation of it.

Once you answer that question you'll also have the answer to your question. So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

We don't have a "well regulated militia" in the sense that the Founders wrote it. We didn't have a standing military, so every person with a weapon was considered part of the well regulated militia.

Ever since the formation of our own military, a militia has not been required.

Actually, there were requirements. And not every one met those requirements. It even went so far as to requiring to have X amount of Powder available, X number of balls available and one at least musket available. And it exempted anyone not white, free, non land owner and not in good standings in the community (another way of saying Tory).

You're forgetting the unorganized militia which came to be after the full-time military and national guard existence= or creation.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Let's see in verbatim. Not some regurgitation of what you think it says. And just the Ruling part where that part is what really counts. I can claim that it also says that the world is flat, the Moon Landing was ruled as fake and the Sun revolves around the Sun but I can't give a direct ruling quote that the Supreme Court ruled that way.

You are operating under the premise if you say a lie enough times that it becomes the truth. Nope, no matter how many times you tell a lie, it's still a lie.

What do you mean let's see it verbatim? tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Do you mean you can't figure that part out? When I quote the various Court Rulings I directly quote the Rulings verbatim and post it. I don't interpret them. I let them stand on their own. I don't have to read into them. I don't have to make shit up. You need to do the same thing. You keep bringing up these court rulings. You want me to accept your opinion, back it up with the actual court ruling word for word. Not your screwball interpretation of it.

Once you answer that question you'll also have the answer to your question. So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Let's see. If I am part of the Well Regulated Militia, that means that I belong to a State Sponsored Militia like the SDF, Police Force and a few others. And the common weapon for them would be the AR-15, M-16 or the M-4. And you will find that the laws back that up along with the Federal Firearms laws pertaining to the sale and distribution of Automatic Weapons. You think because you are part of a bunch of yokels running around the woods wearing green pickel suits that they should get the same weapons? Nope. Only if the States and localities allows it and more and more states localities are removing the AR-15 from the allowable list. You are NOT part of the Organized Militia. In fact, the California Police have to turn in their ARs when they go off duty and go home. As does every other SDF unit.

So the answer to your question is, not all weapons used by the Organized Militia is authorized to be used in the Civilian world.

I know you won't accept that but it's the law.

nope the unorganized Militia.you and every able body man and woman are part of it.
10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

According to the 2nd ammendment, the weapons only applies to the well organized militia.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,

Not the unorganized Militia. And those Unorganized Militia that it pertains to are part of the SDF which cannot be called up to be nationalized into the Federal Forces. It's a lot more complicated than you make it out to be. And that would be up to each individual state. The State can determine who has those rights or privileges and who does not. The only say you have in it is in your vote.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

Time to ban the sales of military-style weapons, they seem to drive people insane. Or insane people love them at any rate you can kill too many people too fast with these things. Let's hear from our resident gun dealer...

The supreme court ruled that in order for a firearm to be protected by the second amendment, it must have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, in common use of the time, and supplied by the citizen.

So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Let's see in verbatim. Not some regurgitation of what you think it says. And just the Ruling part where that part is what really counts. I can claim that it also says that the world is flat, the Moon Landing was ruled as fake and the Sun revolves around the Sun but I can't give a direct ruling quote that the Supreme Court ruled that way.

You are operating under the premise if you say a lie enough times that it becomes the truth. Nope, no matter how many times you tell a lie, it's still a lie.

What do you mean let's see it verbatim? tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

well-regulated militia?Means bring your own gun and ammo, and food.

 

[Marion Morrison]

What do you mean let's see it verbatim? tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Do you mean you can't figure that part out? When I quote the various Court Rulings I directly quote the Rulings verbatim and post it. I don't interpret them. I let them stand on their own. I don't have to read into them. I don't have to make shit up. You need to do the same thing. You keep bringing up these court rulings. You want me to accept your opinion, back it up with the actual court ruling word for word. Not your screwball interpretation of it.

Once you answer that question you'll also have the answer to your question. So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Let's see. If I am part of the Well Regulated Militia, that means that I belong to a State Sponsored Militia like the SDF, Police Force and a few others. And the common weapon for them would be the AR-15, M-16 or the M-4. And you will find that the laws back that up along with the Federal Firearms laws pertaining to the sale and distribution of Automatic Weapons. You think because you are part of a bunch of yokels running around the woods wearing green pickel suits that they should get the same weapons? Nope. Only if the States and localities allows it and more and more states localities are removing the AR-15 from the allowable list. You are NOT part of the Organized Militia. In fact, the California Police have to turn in their ARs when they go off duty and go home. As does every other SDF unit.

So the answer to your question is, not all weapons used by the Organized Militia is authorized to be used in the Civilian world.

I know you won't accept that but it's the law.

nope the unorganized Militia.you and every able body man and woman are part of it.
10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

According to the 2nd ammendment, the weapons only applies to the well organized militia.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,

Not the unorganized Militia. And those Unorganized Militia that it pertains to are part of the SDF which cannot be called up to be nationalized into the Federal Forces. It's a lot more complicated than you make it out to be. And that would be up to each individual state. The State can determine who has those rights or privileges and who does not. The only say you have in it is in your vote.

You're still in Failsville with that, bubba.

"Well-Regulated" means a properly working gun and a man ready to use it to defend the country. That is all. Never hear of the Minutemen?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

in 2017 5977 pedestrians were hit and killed by a vehicle while 403 people were killed with a rifle.

In 2018, 387 people were killed in mass shootings alone (that's 4 or more people killed in a single shooting). Considering there have been more than 40,000 gun deaths in the US in 2018 alone, you can bet that the total number easily exceeds your measly 5977.

How many of those gun deaths were suicides?

Then how many of those gun deaths were done by someone that obtained their firearm illegally?

Now you have laws on the books already to prevent stuff from happening, so how many more do you need to tell someone not to drive and fire on the public?

So how often do 4 or more people get together & decide to shoot themselves?

A ban won't stop then all, but Jesus Fucking Christ can wed do something to stop a lot of them????

Your need to feel safe doesn't trump peoples rights.

All those innocent people going about their own business who died in Texas last month from mass shooters and all the people who were injured might disagree with you that their safety doesn't trump people's "rights" to a deadly weapon.

They can disagree, but they would be wrong.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

What do you mean let's see it verbatim? tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Do you mean you can't figure that part out? When I quote the various Court Rulings I directly quote the Rulings verbatim and post it. I don't interpret them. I let them stand on their own. I don't have to read into them. I don't have to make shit up. You need to do the same thing. You keep bringing up these court rulings. You want me to accept your opinion, back it up with the actual court ruling word for word. Not your screwball interpretation of it.

Once you answer that question you'll also have the answer to your question. So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Let's see. If I am part of the Well Regulated Militia, that means that I belong to a State Sponsored Militia like the SDF, Police Force and a few others. And the common weapon for them would be the AR-15, M-16 or the M-4. And you will find that the laws back that up along with the Federal Firearms laws pertaining to the sale and distribution of Automatic Weapons. You think because you are part of a bunch of yokels running around the woods wearing green pickel suits that they should get the same weapons? Nope. Only if the States and localities allows it and more and more states localities are removing the AR-15 from the allowable list. You are NOT part of the Organized Militia. In fact, the California Police have to turn in their ARs when they go off duty and go home. As does every other SDF unit.

So the answer to your question is, not all weapons used by the Organized Militia is authorized to be used in the Civilian world.

I know you won't accept that but it's the law.

nope the unorganized Militia.you and every able body man and woman are part of it.
10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

According to the 2nd ammendment, the weapons only applies to the well organized militia.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,

Not the unorganized Militia. And those Unorganized Militia that it pertains to are part of the SDF which cannot be called up to be nationalized into the Federal Forces. It's a lot more complicated than you make it out to be. And that would be up to each individual state. The State can determine who has those rights or privileges and who does not. The only say you have in it is in your vote.

According to the author of the second amendment, the people are the militia, and well-regulated means in working order as to be expected. The unorganized Militia members play no part in connection with the organized militia. They are separate and consist of private citizens

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The supreme court ruled that in order for a firearm to be protected by the second amendment, it must have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, in common use of the time, and supplied by the citizen.

So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Let's see in verbatim. Not some regurgitation of what you think it says. And just the Ruling part where that part is what really counts. I can claim that it also says that the world is flat, the Moon Landing was ruled as fake and the Sun revolves around the Sun but I can't give a direct ruling quote that the Supreme Court ruled that way.

You are operating under the premise if you say a lie enough times that it becomes the truth. Nope, no matter how many times you tell a lie, it's still a lie.

What do you mean let's see it verbatim? tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Do you mean you can't figure that part out? When I quote the various Court Rulings I directly quote the Rulings verbatim and post it. I don't interpret them. I let them stand on their own. I don't have to read into them. I don't have to make shit up. You need to do the same thing. You keep bringing up these court rulings. You want me to accept your opinion, back it up with the actual court ruling word for word. Not your screwball interpretation of it.

Once you answer that question you'll also have the answer to your question. So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

We don't have a "well regulated militia" in the sense that the Founders wrote it. We didn't have a standing military, so every person with a weapon was considered part of the well regulated militia.

Ever since the formation of our own military, a militia has not been required.

Very true. One of the reasons (not counting WWI) was the fact the Governors used the State Guard as their own personal Army for some really bad uses. See Colorado Leadville Circa 1898. Today, they can't use the name of Guard anymore. It's been replaced by the term "State Defense Force". I know of two that have SDFs, California and Texas. Both use them primarily for Emergency response like the California Wild Fires and the Texas Hurricanes. There is a handful of others but off hand I don't recall them.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Do you mean you can't figure that part out? When I quote the various Court Rulings I directly quote the Rulings verbatim and post it. I don't interpret them. I let them stand on their own. I don't have to read into them. I don't have to make shit up. You need to do the same thing. You keep bringing up these court rulings. You want me to accept your opinion, back it up with the actual court ruling word for word. Not your screwball interpretation of it.

Once you answer that question you'll also have the answer to your question. So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Let's see. If I am part of the Well Regulated Militia, that means that I belong to a State Sponsored Militia like the SDF, Police Force and a few others. And the common weapon for them would be the AR-15, M-16 or the M-4. And you will find that the laws back that up along with the Federal Firearms laws pertaining to the sale and distribution of Automatic Weapons. You think because you are part of a bunch of yokels running around the woods wearing green pickel suits that they should get the same weapons? Nope. Only if the States and localities allows it and more and more states localities are removing the AR-15 from the allowable list. You are NOT part of the Organized Militia. In fact, the California Police have to turn in their ARs when they go off duty and go home. As does every other SDF unit.

So the answer to your question is, not all weapons used by the Organized Militia is authorized to be used in the Civilian world.

I know you won't accept that but it's the law.

nope the unorganized Militia.you and every able body man and woman are part of it.
10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

According to the 2nd ammendment, the weapons only applies to the well organized militia.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,

Not the unorganized Militia. And those Unorganized Militia that it pertains to are part of the SDF which cannot be called up to be nationalized into the Federal Forces. It's a lot more complicated than you make it out to be. And that would be up to each individual state. The State can determine who has those rights or privileges and who does not. The only say you have in it is in your vote.

According to the author of the second amendment, the people are the militia, and well-regulated means in working order as to be expected. The unorganized Militia members play no part in connection with the organized militia. They are separate and consist of private citizens

You got your ass kicked on this before. You got your ass kicked on something else so you come back to this. This is strictly a Rumpster end run. And I prefer not to play anymore. Suffice to say, you got your ass kicked. Move on.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Let's see in verbatim. Not some regurgitation of what you think it says. And just the Ruling part where that part is what really counts. I can claim that it also says that the world is flat, the Moon Landing was ruled as fake and the Sun revolves around the Sun but I can't give a direct ruling quote that the Supreme Court ruled that way.

You are operating under the premise if you say a lie enough times that it becomes the truth. Nope, no matter how many times you tell a lie, it's still a lie.

What do you mean let's see it verbatim? tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Do you mean you can't figure that part out? When I quote the various Court Rulings I directly quote the Rulings verbatim and post it. I don't interpret them. I let them stand on their own. I don't have to read into them. I don't have to make shit up. You need to do the same thing. You keep bringing up these court rulings. You want me to accept your opinion, back it up with the actual court ruling word for word. Not your screwball interpretation of it.

Once you answer that question you'll also have the answer to your question. So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

We don't have a "well regulated militia" in the sense that the Founders wrote it. We didn't have a standing military, so every person with a weapon was considered part of the well regulated militia.

Ever since the formation of our own military, a militia has not been required.

Very true. One of the reasons (not counting WWI) was the fact the Governors used the State Guard as their own personal Army for some really bad uses. See Colorado Leadville Circa 1898. Today, they can't use the name of Guard anymore. It's been replaced by the term "State Defense Force". I know of two that have SDFs, California and Texas. Both use them primarily for Emergency response like the California Wild Fires and the Texas Hurricanes. There is a handful of others but off hand I don't recall them.

If that's the case, they failed hugely with the CA wildfires. Must have not been well-regulated.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

Do you mean you can't figure that part out? When I quote the various Court Rulings I directly quote the Rulings verbatim and post it. I don't interpret them. I let them stand on their own. I don't have to read into them. I don't have to make shit up. You need to do the same thing. You keep bringing up these court rulings. You want me to accept your opinion, back it up with the actual court ruling word for word. Not your screwball interpretation of it.

Once you answer that question you'll also have the answer to your question. So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Let's see. If I am part of the Well Regulated Militia, that means that I belong to a State Sponsored Militia like the SDF, Police Force and a few others. And the common weapon for them would be the AR-15, M-16 or the M-4. And you will find that the laws back that up along with the Federal Firearms laws pertaining to the sale and distribution of Automatic Weapons. You think because you are part of a bunch of yokels running around the woods wearing green pickel suits that they should get the same weapons? Nope. Only if the States and localities allows it and more and more states localities are removing the AR-15 from the allowable list. You are NOT part of the Organized Militia. In fact, the California Police have to turn in their ARs when they go off duty and go home. As does every other SDF unit.

So the answer to your question is, not all weapons used by the Organized Militia is authorized to be used in the Civilian world.

I know you won't accept that but it's the law.

nope the unorganized Militia.you and every able body man and woman are part of it.
10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

According to the 2nd ammendment, the weapons only applies to the well organized militia.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,

Not the unorganized Militia. And those Unorganized Militia that it pertains to are part of the SDF which cannot be called up to be nationalized into the Federal Forces. It's a lot more complicated than you make it out to be. And that would be up to each individual state. The State can determine who has those rights or privileges and who does not. The only say you have in it is in your vote.

According to the author of the second amendment, the people are the militia, and well-regulated means in working order as to be expected. The unorganized Militia members play no part in connection with the organized militia. They are separate and consist of private citizens

unorganized Militia are the Woodmen who like to work alone, like Snipers who know what they are going to do and where to do it.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Once you answer that question you'll also have the answer to your question. So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Let's see. If I am part of the Well Regulated Militia, that means that I belong to a State Sponsored Militia like the SDF, Police Force and a few others. And the common weapon for them would be the AR-15, M-16 or the M-4. And you will find that the laws back that up along with the Federal Firearms laws pertaining to the sale and distribution of Automatic Weapons. You think because you are part of a bunch of yokels running around the woods wearing green pickel suits that they should get the same weapons? Nope. Only if the States and localities allows it and more and more states localities are removing the AR-15 from the allowable list. You are NOT part of the Organized Militia. In fact, the California Police have to turn in their ARs when they go off duty and go home. As does every other SDF unit.

So the answer to your question is, not all weapons used by the Organized Militia is authorized to be used in the Civilian world.

I know you won't accept that but it's the law.

nope the unorganized Militia.you and every able body man and woman are part of it.
10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

According to the 2nd ammendment, the weapons only applies to the well organized militia.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,

Not the unorganized Militia. And those Unorganized Militia that it pertains to are part of the SDF which cannot be called up to be nationalized into the Federal Forces. It's a lot more complicated than you make it out to be. And that would be up to each individual state. The State can determine who has those rights or privileges and who does not. The only say you have in it is in your vote.

According to the author of the second amendment, the people are the militia, and well-regulated means in working order as to be expected. The unorganized Militia members play no part in connection with the organized militia. They are separate and consist of private citizens

unorganized Militia are the Woodmen who like to work alone, like Snipers who know what they are going to do and where to do it.

Actually no it doesn't mean you work alone like a sniper

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Once you answer that question you'll also have the answer to your question. So tell me what firearm is there that is in common use that would have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia?

Let's see. If I am part of the Well Regulated Militia, that means that I belong to a State Sponsored Militia like the SDF, Police Force and a few others. And the common weapon for them would be the AR-15, M-16 or the M-4. And you will find that the laws back that up along with the Federal Firearms laws pertaining to the sale and distribution of Automatic Weapons. You think because you are part of a bunch of yokels running around the woods wearing green pickel suits that they should get the same weapons? Nope. Only if the States and localities allows it and more and more states localities are removing the AR-15 from the allowable list. You are NOT part of the Organized Militia. In fact, the California Police have to turn in their ARs when they go off duty and go home. As does every other SDF unit.

So the answer to your question is, not all weapons used by the Organized Militia is authorized to be used in the Civilian world.

I know you won't accept that but it's the law.

nope the unorganized Militia.you and every able body man and woman are part of it.
10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

According to the 2nd ammendment, the weapons only applies to the well organized militia.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,

Not the unorganized Militia. And those Unorganized Militia that it pertains to are part of the SDF which cannot be called up to be nationalized into the Federal Forces. It's a lot more complicated than you make it out to be. And that would be up to each individual state. The State can determine who has those rights or privileges and who does not. The only say you have in it is in your vote.

According to the author of the second amendment, the people are the militia, and well-regulated means in working order as to be expected. The unorganized Militia members play no part in connection with the organized militia. They are separate and consist of private citizens

You got your ass kicked on this before. You got your ass kicked on something else so you come back to this. This is strictly a Rumpster end run. And I prefer not to play anymore. Suffice to say, you got your ass kicked. Move on.

Never happened try again