Breaking confirmed active shooter at Texas Walmart 18 ppl shot

[2aguy]

Here goes the morons on a GUN GRAB KICK again!!!!!!!!

What do you feel should be done?

Stop the 24/7 news coverage......get rid of gun free zones. Two big steps that would help.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Anti-gunners are already on the job......

so.....

Likely no citizens were armed at the time of the attack.....so they had to wait for police to arrive....

We will see what information comes out....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

Meanwhile countries with strong gun control are not having regular mass shootings.

The nonsense you believe and the lies you pass on.
Amazing.


. “Obama In Paris: Mass Shootings Don’t Happen In Other Countries…. The only problem with his answer was that he was standing in Paris, where a mass shooting conducted by Islamic State terrorists had just taken place, killing over 100 people.”
Obama In Paris: Mass Shootings Don’t Happen In Other Countries | Breitbart


“'Children's bodies are everywhere': NINETEEN people are killed in Crimean school massacre after student walks into canteen and opens fire –“ Crimea shooting: NINETEEN people are killed in school massacre | Daily Mail Online

 

[rightwinger]

My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families

May they rest assured that their rights to buy guns are still keeping them safe

No you don't, you rub your hands gleefully together and dream of ending the 2nd Amendment so the serfs can be brought back into line.

But the second amendment keeps us safe

Doesn’t it?

Yes...it does.

Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murder......

And over the last 26 years as more Americans have owned and actually carried guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%......that means more safe, not less.......our gun crime rate went down 75%...75%....that means more safe, not less.....violent crime is down 72%...that means more safe, not less.....

The 2nd Amendment keeps us safe from crimnals and people like you.

Sure they do

If they stop 1.1 million crimes a year.....why isn’t our crime rate dropping by a million a year?

It already dropped 49% for gun murder, 75% for gun crime and 72% for violent crime over the last 26 years......that's great by anyones measure...

So you would rather have those 1.1 million people suffer rape, robbery and murder instead of stopping it with their gun? Got it.

Imaginary number based on gun owner fantasies

 

[2aguy]

BREAKING NOW: Confirmed active shooter at Texas Walmart; 18 people shot
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It's been a few you still haven' t noticed the ........

Why are the majority of mass shooters white males?

12 mass public shootings in 2018..... 93 killed, not all white males.

10,982 gun murders in 2017...the majority were committed by black males against other black males in democrat voting districts....

Your concern about skin color is misplaced.

 

[boedicca]

Here goes the morons on a GUN GRAB KICK again!!!!!!!!

What do you feel should be done?

- Quit demonizing boys so that they are programmed in public schools to become maladjusted mental cases.
- Quit drugging up boys with ADD drugs for just being boys.
- Get rid of gun free zones.
- Nationwide conceal carry permits for legal gun owners who have had training.

 

[2aguy]

No you don't, you rub your hands gleefully together and dream of ending the 2nd Amendment so the serfs can be brought back into line.

But the second amendment keeps us safe

Doesn’t it?

Yes...it does.

Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murder......

And over the last 26 years as more Americans have owned and actually carried guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%......that means more safe, not less.......our gun crime rate went down 75%...75%....that means more safe, not less.....violent crime is down 72%...that means more safe, not less.....

The 2nd Amendment keeps us safe from crimnals and people like you.

Sure they do

If they stop 1.1 million crimes a year.....why isn’t our crime rate dropping by a million a year?

It already dropped 49% for gun murder, 75% for gun crime and 72% for violent crime over the last 26 years......that's great by anyones measure...

So you would rather have those 1.1 million people suffer rape, robbery and murder instead of stopping it with their gun? Got it.

Imaginary number based on gun owner fantasies

From Pew....the CDC, the DOJ.........

 

[rightwinger]

Here goes the morons on a GUN GRAB KICK again!!!!!!!!

What do you feel should be done?

Stop the 24/7 news coverage......get rid of gun free zones. Two big steps that would help.

You want to get rid of gun free zones on airplanes, sporting events?

 

[2aguy]

Here goes the morons on a GUN GRAB KICK again!!!!!!!!

What do you feel should be done?

- Quit demonizing boys so that they are programmed in public schools to become maladjusted mental cases.
- Quit drugging up boys with ADD drugs for just being boys.
- Get rid of gun free zones.
- Nationwide conceal carry permits for legal gun owners who have had training.

Agree with everything but the training.....let a training requirement exist and the left will make it so expensive, time consuming and the standards so rigid that only the rich and connected will have guns.

 

[bodecea]

Here goes the morons on a GUN GRAB KICK again!!!!!!!!

T's & P's

 

[2aguy]

Here goes the morons on a GUN GRAB KICK again!!!!!!!!

What do you feel should be done?

Stop the 24/7 news coverage......get rid of gun free zones. Two big steps that would help.

You want to get rid of gun free zones on airplanes, sporting events?

Airplanes, no......you can control that area inside the plan fairly effectively......in the Air Port...yes. Sporting events.....sure......

 

[miketx]

El Paso police classifying this as “gang related terrorism” “Suspect in custody is Hispanic. Possible second suspect still at large but unarmed”.

Could any of you idiot Moon Bats tell me how any additional gun control law is going to stop Hispanic gangs from shooting up whatever they want to shoot up?

Sorry, I don't meet your criteria , but I just wanted to let you know what the lemmings are counting on.

That wasn't directed toward you Mike. It was a question directed to the Moon Bats.

I think the only question was it Obama's MS13 buddies or his Dreamer buddies?

I know, that's why I added the disclaimer!

 

[2aguy]

Anti-gunners are already on the job......

so.....

Likely no citizens were armed at the time of the attack.....so they had to wait for police to arrive....

We will see what information comes out....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

Meanwhile countries with strong gun control are not having regular mass shootings.

The nonsense you believe and the lies you pass on.
Amazing.


. “Obama In Paris: Mass Shootings Don’t Happen In Other Countries…. The only problem with his answer was that he was standing in Paris, where a mass shooting conducted by Islamic State terrorists had just taken place, killing over 100 people.”
Obama In Paris: Mass Shootings Don’t Happen In Other Countries | Breitbart


“'Children's bodies are everywhere': NINETEEN people are killed in Crimean school massacre after student walks into canteen and opens fire –“ Crimea shooting: NINETEEN people are killed in school massacre | Daily Mail Online

Russian Polyteknic school shooting, 20 dead with a 5 shot, pump action shotgun.

 

[bodecea]

Just seeing this reported.....details are not true or accurate yet....but the anti-gunners have jumped in already....

Police Claim Possible Multiple Shooters in El Paso Shopping Area

Idiot liberals don't realize that more guns make us safer.

Sure worked today, didn't it?

 

[miketx]

Just seeing this reported.....details are not true or accurate yet....but the anti-gunners have jumped in already....

Police Claim Possible Multiple Shooters in El Paso Shopping Area

Idiot liberals don't realize that more guns make us safer.

Sure worked today, didn't it?

No, El Paso is infested with liberal gun-hating idiots like you.

 

[bodecea]

Here goes the morons on a GUN GRAB KICK again!!!!!!!!

Find it funny since the Mueller report was a dead and his appearance in front of Congress was a bigger dude that we have had two mass shootings. Do democratics call out to thier people who want to be martyrs for thier causes?

Find it funny, do you?

 

[2aguy]

Just seeing this reported.....details are not true or accurate yet....but the anti-gunners have jumped in already....

Police Claim Possible Multiple Shooters in El Paso Shopping Area

Idiot liberals don't realize that more guns make us safer.

Sure worked today, didn't it?

For the other 1.1 million Americans each year, guns stopped them from being raped, robbed and murdered......

12 mass public shootings in 2018....93 killed...

1.1 million times a year Americans use guns to save lives....

The actual number don't support your insanity.

 

[bodecea]

Well if the Democrats aren't going to end the Hispanic problem, someone else will.

We'll, there you go.....

 

[rightwinger]

No you don't, you rub your hands gleefully together and dream of ending the 2nd Amendment so the serfs can be brought back into line.

But the second amendment keeps us safe

Doesn’t it?

Yes...it does.

Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murder......

And over the last 26 years as more Americans have owned and actually carried guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%......that means more safe, not less.......our gun crime rate went down 75%...75%....that means more safe, not less.....violent crime is down 72%...that means more safe, not less.....

The 2nd Amendment keeps us safe from crimnals and people like you.

Sure they do

If they stop 1.1 million crimes a year.....why isn’t our crime rate dropping by a million a year?

It already dropped 49% for gun murder, 75% for gun crime and 72% for violent crime over the last 26 years......that's great by anyones measure...

So you would rather have those 1.1 million people suffer rape, robbery and murder instead of stopping it with their gun? Got it.

Imaginary number based on gun owner fantasies

How often are guns used to stop crimes?

The L.A. Times also reported on statistics released by the Violence Policy Center in June 2015. Those statistics showed that in 2012, there were 259 justifiable self-defense homicides in which victims turned the tables. In 2012, there were 1.2 million violent crimes, including murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault -- despite 300 million firearms are owned in the United States -- so the report conjectured that guns have not been effective crime deterrents.

The Violence Policy Center also said the 259 justifiable homicides should be balanced against the theft of about 232,000 guns each year -- about 172,000 of them during burglaries. That’s a ratio of one justifiable homicide for every 896 guns put into the hands of criminals, the Times reported.

 

[westwall]

Here goes the morons on a GUN GRAB KICK again!!!!!!!!

Find it funny since the Mueller report was a dead and his appearance in front of Congress was a bigger dude that we have had two mass shootings. Do democratics call out to thier people who want to be martyrs for thier causes?

Find it funny, do you?

You do. You mock the victims any time you can because you are a vile piece of shit.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Here goes the morons on a GUN GRAB KICK again!!!!!!!!

T's & P's

Still FAR more than you ever do, other than fight harder to create more victims and more bloodshed.

Thanks, but I'll take the Thoughts and Prayers over your criminal hugging and fascist fantasies any day.