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Sure but death, death threats or bodily harm should not be one of them. You don't get to break the law because someone insulted you. And before you deny you are saying that, you are blaming the victim and the result is the same.
Ummm.
I have made exactly two posts in this thread. It should not be too hard for you to find where I've "blamed the victims".
Well, you supported the post of someone who is blaming the victim.
I did? How so?
As far as I'm concerned, my only actions in this thread have been to reply to a single, asinine post. I don't believe that I have "supported" anything.
Really? You don't see it even if you read this line of discussion again?
Of course I don't "see" it, it's not there. You're seeing what you want to see.
The only thing that I have said in this thread is that the idea that "speech doesn't have consequences" is simply ludicrous.
I have not even mentioned anything about the events at the "cartoon contest", or anything close to it.
Omfg.
How the fuck do you get ANY of that out of My posts? I don't respect Hillary for ANYTHING much less her idiotic ideas of Mormonism or any other stupid religion.
The left mocked Romney for his religion and you all bitched about it, and rightfully so. No everyone has decided that hypocrisy is the word of the day and is now praising someone else for their disrespectful message.
More & more I am finding myself alone on this site when it comes to NOT BEING A FUCKING HYPOCRITE
Agreed, anyone who intentionally causes someone to be murdered by taunting known killers shares culpability in their deaths. The person flapping his gums should be sued at the very least.
If I call some woman with a very abusive husband, knowing full well that he might harm her, I would be guilty of negligence.
Why are you so afraid of free speech?amazing a self professed genius like you can't grasp what it means to 'demand'.
ValeRavi - you're stupid as a fucking brick.
From the party press;
{
Those two men were would-be murderers. But their thwarted attack, or the murderous rampage of the Charlie Hebdo killers, or even the greater threat posed by the barbaric killers of the Islamic State or Al Qaeda, cannot justify blatantly Islamophobic provocations like the Garland event. These can serve only to exacerbate tensions and to give extremists more fuel.
Some of those who draw cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad may earnestly believe that they are striking a blow for freedom of expression, though it is hard to see how that goal is advanced by inflicting deliberate anguish on millions of devout Muslims who have nothing to do with terrorism.}
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/07/opinion/free-speech-vs-hate-speech.html?ref=opinion&_r=0
Is that not the fucking dNYc Times condemning free speech? The voice of your filthy, pile of shit fucking anti-liberty party?
For all those who are not Rati, thus dumb as a fucking rock; this puts it into perspective:
{
“The Book of Mormon,” a long-running Broadway smash in left-wing New York City, is the intellectual equivalent to Pam Geller’s Draw Muhammad Cartoon Contest. Both use art and satire to poke a finger in the eye of a particular religion. The only difference between the two is that the mainstream media loves to mock Mormons even as they vigorously defend Islam. And there is of course the little matter of Islamic savages threatening to behead cartoonists.
There is just no getting around the fact, though, that unless you are appeasing terrorists or carving out special protections for a certain religion, Muhammad cartoons and “The Book of Mormon” are the exact same approach towards two different religions.}
NYTs Condemns Offending Islam Profit From Mormon Bashing - Breitbart
You can support free speech without supporting the morons that abuse it.
Pamela had every right to draw despicable cartoons of another religions prophet. Doesn't make it a cause I have to support.
Funny since your beliefs and their's are twins.You can support free speech without supporting the morons that abuse it.
Pamela had every right to draw despicable cartoons of another religions prophet. Doesn't make it a cause I have to support.
I agree and I completely support it.
Fuck Islam, FUCK MOHAMMAD and FUCK the low-rent, burka wearing, prayer rug kneeling cult that needs to kill everything that disagrees with it... and THE SOCIALISTS THEY RODE IN ON!
You are a projecting moron. I haven't defended ANYONE. You say fuck Muhammad? I'll do you one better fuck EVERY single supposed God or prophet. They are ALL LIARS and anyone who believes any of them is a complete weak minded fool.Omfg.
How the fuck do you get ANY of that out of My posts? I don't respect Hillary for ANYTHING much less her idiotic ideas of Mormonism or any other stupid religion.
The left mocked Romney for his religion and you all bitched about it, and rightfully so. No everyone has decided that hypocrisy is the word of the day and is now praising someone else for their disrespectful message.
More & more I am finding myself alone on this site when it comes to NOT BEING A FUCKING HYPOCRITE
Your position is one of fucking hypocrisy.
You attack one person for doing something, while you are silent on another person doing the identical thing - based on the victim.
There is nothing even slightly wrong with what Geller did - it's called "being an American."
Fuck Muhammad - may he burn in hell. And fuck anyone defending him. I have no problem with a play mocking Mormonism - this is America. I have a BIG problem with those who openly support such a play turning around and attacking someone for mocking Islam. I have a problem with someone who is silent on the play but attacks others for mocking Islam.
Why are you so afraid of free speech?
I'd believe that only if I saw it. Common sense has to trump individual rights - otherwise it would perfectly fine to yell "Fire" in a crowded theater. Your freedom ends when it impinges on someone else. This is why the Muslim's right to expression by shooting and bombing or flying planes into buildings isn't supported. Yet, if you have a reasonable expectation of that outcome - and Geller surely did as seen by her forethought in providing a large security detail - why poke someone in the eye if not to simply provoke such an action? This isn't an exercise in free speech so much as one in thumbing one's nose at another's moral base. That, to me, is inexcusable.
Despite your semi-attack on Christianity...that was hilarious.You are a projecting moron. I haven't defended ANYONE. You say fuck Muhammad? I'll do you one better fuck EVERY single supposed God or prophet. They are ALL LIARS and anyone who believes any of them is a complete weak minded fool.Omfg.
How the fuck do you get ANY of that out of My posts? I don't respect Hillary for ANYTHING much less her idiotic ideas of Mormonism or any other stupid religion.
The left mocked Romney for his religion and you all bitched about it, and rightfully so. No everyone has decided that hypocrisy is the word of the day and is now praising someone else for their disrespectful message.
More & more I am finding myself alone on this site when it comes to NOT BEING A FUCKING HYPOCRITE
Your position is one of fucking hypocrisy.
You attack one person for doing something, while you are silent on another person doing the identical thing - based on the victim.
There is nothing even slightly wrong with what Geller did - it's called "being an American."
Fuck Muhammad - may he burn in hell. And fuck anyone defending him. I have no problem with a play mocking Mormonism - this is America. I have a BIG problem with those who openly support such a play turning around and attacking someone for mocking Islam. I have a problem with someone who is silent on the play but attacks others for mocking Islam.
Oh and fuck you too douchebag
Figured you couldn't answer.Why are you so afraid of free speech?
I'll hand it to you Rati, you do make me laugh.
Maybe you should join Jim Carey and Jeff Daniels to do "dumb, dumber, & dumbest?"
The radical left, as represented by the filthy democratic party, is dedicated to eradicating civil liberty. Nate fights to stop freedom of speech because that is the goal of his party. The Anti-Liberty left opposes all civil rights. Speech, religion, expression, etc. is viewed as privilege reserved for the groups favored by the party, not as rights that accrue to all citizens.
I'm still baffled at being accused of defending ANYONE. I am an equal opportunity asshole, I mock every religion.Despite your semi-attack on Christianity...that was hilarious.You are a projecting moron. I haven't defended ANYONE. You say fuck Muhammad? I'll do you one better fuck EVERY single supposed God or prophet. They are ALL LIARS and anyone who believes any of them is a complete weak minded fool.Omfg.
How the fuck do you get ANY of that out of My posts? I don't respect Hillary for ANYTHING much less her idiotic ideas of Mormonism or any other stupid religion.
The left mocked Romney for his religion and you all bitched about it, and rightfully so. No everyone has decided that hypocrisy is the word of the day and is now praising someone else for their disrespectful message.
More & more I am finding myself alone on this site when it comes to NOT BEING A FUCKING HYPOCRITE
Your position is one of fucking hypocrisy.
You attack one person for doing something, while you are silent on another person doing the identical thing - based on the victim.
There is nothing even slightly wrong with what Geller did - it's called "being an American."
Fuck Muhammad - may he burn in hell. And fuck anyone defending him. I have no problem with a play mocking Mormonism - this is America. I have a BIG problem with those who openly support such a play turning around and attacking someone for mocking Islam. I have a problem with someone who is silent on the play but attacks others for mocking Islam.
Oh and fuck you too douchebag
They do it to me all of the time...you are dealing with teapers. They are nasty, dishonest and despicable hate mongers.I'm still baffled at being accused of defending ANYONE. I am an equal opportunity asshole, I mock every religion.Despite your semi-attack on Christianity...that was hilarious.You are a projecting moron. I haven't defended ANYONE. You say fuck Muhammad? I'll do you one better fuck EVERY single supposed God or prophet. They are ALL LIARS and anyone who believes any of them is a complete weak minded fool.Omfg.
How the fuck do you get ANY of that out of My posts? I don't respect Hillary for ANYTHING much less her idiotic ideas of Mormonism or any other stupid religion.
The left mocked Romney for his religion and you all bitched about it, and rightfully so. No everyone has decided that hypocrisy is the word of the day and is now praising someone else for their disrespectful message.
More & more I am finding myself alone on this site when it comes to NOT BEING A FUCKING HYPOCRITE
Your position is one of fucking hypocrisy.
You attack one person for doing something, while you are silent on another person doing the identical thing - based on the victim.
There is nothing even slightly wrong with what Geller did - it's called "being an American."
Fuck Muhammad - may he burn in hell. And fuck anyone defending him. I have no problem with a play mocking Mormonism - this is America. I have a BIG problem with those who openly support such a play turning around and attacking someone for mocking Islam. I have a problem with someone who is silent on the play but attacks others for mocking Islam.
Oh and fuck you too douchebag
That's odd since you constantly call me a teapierThey do it to me all of the time...you are dealing with teapers. They are nasty, dishonest and despicable hate mongers.I'm still baffled at being accused of defending ANYONE. I am an equal opportunity asshole, I mock every religion.Despite your semi-attack on Christianity...that was hilarious.You are a projecting moron. I haven't defended ANYONE. You say fuck Muhammad? I'll do you one better fuck EVERY single supposed God or prophet. They are ALL LIARS and anyone who believes any of them is a complete weak minded fool.Omfg.
How the fuck do you get ANY of that out of My posts? I don't respect Hillary for ANYTHING much less her idiotic ideas of Mormonism or any other stupid religion.
The left mocked Romney for his religion and you all bitched about it, and rightfully so. No everyone has decided that hypocrisy is the word of the day and is now praising someone else for their disrespectful message.
More & more I am finding myself alone on this site when it comes to NOT BEING A FUCKING HYPOCRITE
Your position is one of fucking hypocrisy.
You attack one person for doing something, while you are silent on another person doing the identical thing - based on the victim.
There is nothing even slightly wrong with what Geller did - it's called "being an American."
Fuck Muhammad - may he burn in hell. And fuck anyone defending him. I have no problem with a play mocking Mormonism - this is America. I have a BIG problem with those who openly support such a play turning around and attacking someone for mocking Islam. I have a problem with someone who is silent on the play but attacks others for mocking Islam.
Oh and fuck you too douchebag
Just trying to get you to see the light.That's odd since you constantly call me a teapierThey do it to me all of the time...you are dealing with teapers. They are nasty, dishonest and despicable hate mongers.I'm still baffled at being accused of defending ANYONE. I am an equal opportunity asshole, I mock every religion.Despite your semi-attack on Christianity...that was hilarious.You are a projecting moron. I haven't defended ANYONE. You say fuck Muhammad? I'll do you one better fuck EVERY single supposed God or prophet. They are ALL LIARS and anyone who believes any of them is a complete weak minded fool.Your position is one of fucking hypocrisy.
You attack one person for doing something, while you are silent on another person doing the identical thing - based on the victim.
There is nothing even slightly wrong with what Geller did - it's called "being an American."
Fuck Muhammad - may he burn in hell. And fuck anyone defending him. I have no problem with a play mocking Mormonism - this is America. I have a BIG problem with those who openly support such a play turning around and attacking someone for mocking Islam. I have a problem with someone who is silent on the play but attacks others for mocking Islam.
Oh and fuck you too douchebag
Let's try this from another angle then. The SCOTUS recently decided that 1st amendment protections could be conveyed onto tangible items (such as political fundraising donations). One could then pose the argument that the response to Geller's ignorance would also be so protected.I'm all too aware of the difference. The dead security guard's corpse is lying in it. And violence is exactly the kind of reaction Pamela was trying to provoke.
Its unreasonable and foolish to intentionally try and provoke folks to violence.
I agree with that 100%. She walked into that event knowing full well and with ample evidence to support a reasonable expectation that it would cause the irrational crazies to come out.
I fully support free speech, but she should be held culpable at least and maybe even legally liable for the results of her ignorance and intolerance. Sure, I have the right to walk through the streets of Oakland in blackface. Is there any doubt that someone wouldn't add a little blue and red to it? Maybe the real tragedy here is that a security guard caught a bullet that should have found Pamela - at least then she would have been held personally accountable for her insanity.
Complete and utter bull shit. If free speech is curtailed for any reason then we don't have free speech. If I walk down the street in black face, NO ONE has the right to lay a finger on me.
If I decide to draw a picture of Mohammed giving blow jobs to pigs the n I gave that right and no one has a right to shoot me. Nor should they receive sympathy from freedom loving people.
Here's something that isn't bullshit: if you showed up in Oakland wearing blackface and were hospitalized for 2 weeks after a gang beating, do you really think that people would be carrying signs denouncing your beating as a violation of your 1st amendment rights or would it be more credible that people would simply shake their heads, call you a fool, and decide you got what was coming to you? Sure - they had no RIGHT to beat you up, but you had no REASON to expect anything different.
They should not. If you did it, I would come to your defense. People who would shake their heads and blame you are cowards who don't deserve their freedoms.
I'd believe that only if I saw it. Common sense has to trump individual rights - otherwise it would perfectly fine to yell "Fire" in a crowded theater. Your freedom ends when it impinges on someone else. This is why the Muslim's right to expression by shooting and bombing or flying planes into buildings isn't supported. Yet, if you have a reasonable expectation of that outcome - and Geller surely did as seen by her forethought in providing a large security detail - why poke someone in the eye if not to simply provoke such an action? This isn't an exercise in free speech so much as one in thumbing one's nose at another's moral base. That, to me, is inexcusable.
You can support free speech without supporting the morons that abuse it.
Pamela had every right to draw despicable cartoons of another religions prophet. Doesn't make it a cause I have to support.
No one's asking you to support it, or at least no one should be. But you SHOULD stand up and defend their right to say it. We have to defend all speech, especially now.
Now and always. If you don't stand for the speech you hate, you stand for nothing at all.
Tough call.
A wise man once said, just because you have the right to speak does not mean you must.
Did someone hit you over the head?
