Building the wall is the most critical political issue in America, we must do it

[kaz]

There is something wrong with them, yes. There is no reason to be poor in this country. It's within the power of every American who does not have mental issues to not be poor.

And the majority of those people are white, grand wizard

Sure it is.

Yup. Anyone who studies in school can go to college. Anyone who cleans themselves up and works hard at work can keep getting better jobs. Being poor in this country is a choice that you make through poor decisions to keep yourself poor

You are wrong. I'm gonna go with intentionally wrong cuz it's the only way you can justify your utter disdain for entire groups of people. It is even worse than being wrong due to being a moron.

So now you think I hate white people? What a stupid douche

I said no such thing. But, now that you mention it, I think you hate liberal white people. And poor white people. But, you prefer them to brown liberal people and brown poor people. That's not hard to see.

Yes, you said i hate white people. You said it was racist to criticize the poor. The majority of the poor in this country are white. Do you even read your own crap?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Seriously? How many nights will cover the military chasing a thousand people a night across the desert cover?

You keep repeating the lie of a thousand people a night across the desert cover. If you take away their reason for coming, the only ones crossing will be the ones here to do harm, and there are not thousand of those a night.

Let me ask you this, do you see illegal immigration as a threat to our nation?

Do the math...he’s not far off with his figure of speech that you’ve taken literally...Bear in mind the numbers are way down.

“Border Patrol agents nabbed 16,089 illegal immigrants trying to sneak in, while Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers identified another 5,570 illegal immigrants who showed up without authorization at the ports of entry.
The combined 21,659 illegal immigrants are still the lowest numbers for June in years, but the spike is worrisome because illegal immigration generally begins to slow in the summer months. Indeed, the last four years saw an average drop of 10 percent in Border Patrol apprehensions in June — but this year saw an 11 percent rise.“
Illegal immigration spikes along U.S.-Mexico border

Border crossings down is a recent, short term phenomena which even if it lasted through Trump would end when he leaves. Which is what Gator and the leftists are counting on, that we don't solve the problem.

Also, it's the ones who aren't bad that aren't coming. Trump isn't scaring murderers, rapists, drug dealers, gun dealers or any other criminals.

But 1,000,000 / 365 = 2,740.

Even if you reduce that by 2/3, it's over 900 people a night average

Agreed...you’re 100% correct.
Keep in mind, with the amount of thirdworld filth here these days there’s a damn good chance that most of the Lefties here are either illegal, barely legal or have very strong ties to the thirdworld filth.
Their point of view on the matter stems from a personal connection...There’s really no other way to explain their lack of logic, respect for our founders, the constitution and REAL Americans.

 

[kaz]

A million Mexicans walk up to a reinforced concrete 30 foot wall dug down into the ground. With electric monitoring and surveillance and thousands of more border control agents.

They laugh and say wow, that might as well not be there at all!

Then they proceed to ___ and the million illegal aliens enter the United States ...

So Pogo: You fill in the blank.

Okay.

A million Mexicans..... walk up to a bar. A long horizontal bar of reinforced concrete and dug into the ground.

Before they order a cerveza, they stop to gape in wonder at how such a structure could be dug into the Rio Grande River.

The next thing they do is look among themselves and say (in Spanish) "what the fuck are we doing here? Even the United States knows that most illegal immigrants go in via legitimate everyday means and then overstay their visas!"

Then they give the finger to the cartoonist that drew them there and return home, content in the knowledge that their foray to the border never did exist except in the comic book fantasies of message board Rumpbots who line up to buy any mindless snake oil the Orange Oaf sells them.

What's particularly funny about you leftists is you think the electronic monitoring and surveillance and more border agents will work without the wall, but it won't work with it!

Not sure who "you leftists" are but I (which is singular) have never posted anything about "electronic monitoring and surveillance" with or without "more border agents" so once again, posting apparently to the comic book.

Of which here comes an example right now.....

hat I think building a wall and defending it is more efficient than the military chasing thousands of people across the desert every night

"thousands of people every night" huh.
But I repeat myself about Gullibles' Travels....

I don't know hillbilly math and leftist math is just math where your calculations are self serving. So here's the regular kind of math.

1 million illegal aliens come across our southern border a year.

1 million / 365 = 2,740

That means the military would be chasing literally thousands of people around the desert a night.

BTW, I don't know how it works for drunken leftist hillbillies, but in the normal world there are 365 days in a year if you're wondering where that came from

 

[Mr Natural]

You kick out all the illegals, and who's gonna mow my lawn?

American kids?

Fat chance!

 

[kaz]

And again, your argument is the military can stop them, but IF and ONLY IF we don't build a wall. That's just stupid

No, my argument is that the military can stop them more effective and cheaper than a wall that we do not need if we would first go after the companies paying them and created a realist, workable guest worker program that benefited both side.

But you want the wall and nothing else matters.

Strawman. I'm for that and never said I wasn't. We need to do EVERYTHING to stop illegal immigration here. Here's the thing. Proposing one thing is not saying I oppose everything else

Every time it has been mentioned by anyone you ignore ti and go of on some rant about NORMAL people. This is the first time you have even acknowledged it as an idea put forth, and were very careful not to endorse it directly.

You're a liar, I don't ignore other proposals. You just made that up.

I'm totally for a major guest worker program. But not until we solve the problem of people coming here with visas and not leaving when they expire.

Besides the wall, we need to clean things up then implement jail time for anyone here illegally. Minimum three months for a first offense.

And your idea to have the military chase thousands of people around the desert would be insanely expensive. We'd burn through $20 billion in months, and the $20 billion is one time to build the wall. Maintaining it would be far cheaper than that a year

Treason Is Not a Property Right

Our Navy can easily seize the offshore Mexican oilfields, which will pay for the wall. By encouraging and aiding its citizens to invade us, Mexico has committed an act of war. American traitors who have gone along with this must pay the price.

It's time we take the law back into our own hands; it's obvious that letting the ruling class and its anti-democratic Constitution protect us hasn't been working for decades.

I don't know. I think it's our job to secure our own border, not their job to secure our border

 

[kaz]

I voted third party in every election since 1996, will continue that trend in 2020.

We do not need a wall, building a wall is moving backwards, not forwards. Trump wants a wall because he wants a viable, physical monument to his greatness and a wall is the only way he will get one.

According to Trump himself border crossings are down 80%, and that is without a wall and without a significant increase in the Border Patrol.

The wall is an expense we do not have the money to pay for and it will just become a bigger and bigger expense each year as the maintenance cost on it grow with time and age of the wall.

If you wish to control our southern border to keep the evil brown people out there are three easy steps to do it.

First, use our military for its base purpose, to defend the country. We have roughly 97,000 troops in Europe. Bring half of them home and station them along the border and give them the task of protecting the border.

Second, punish harshly those companies in the US that employ illegal immigrants. Make an example out of a couple of bigger companies and make it so painful that no other company will take the chance of using illegal immigrants as labor.

Third, have a real guest worker program so that those industries that do rely on cheaper labor (agricultural comes to mind) have access to those willing to work.

If you do the 2nd and 3rd thing then the only people trying to sneak across the border are people with ill intent and then they become easy targets for the military guarding the border.

On a side note, wanting to build a wall to keep the non-whites is about the most anti-libertarian thing I have seen in a long time. Thank you for dropping the charade.

How doesn’t the wall pay for itself over time?
You must be doing different math than we are...would you mind walking us through your arithmetic?

When you spend twenty billion bucks, plus future maintenance which is considerable, on a fantasy wall that ignores the reality of where illicit immigration comes from in the first place and therefore has little effect --- where exactly is your ROI on that?

Remember the mantra: "You don't sell products, benefits or solutions ---- you sell FEELINGS". That's what the wall is. It's already been sold, and you lot bought it. The wall isn't an actual wall, it's a fantasy sold to the gullible And Mexico didn't pay for it -- the rest of us in this country did.

A million Mexicans walk up to a reinforced concrete 30 foot wall dug down into the ground.

They laugh and say wow, that might as well not be there at all!

Then they proceed to ___ and the million illegal aliens enter the United States ...

You fill in the blank

Buy plane tickets. Go around the wall. Enter through a border check point.

Zackly, which is how most of it happens. But cracking down on visa overstays doesn't sell nearly as well as an image of a thousands-of-miles-long "wall" that "Mexico will pay for".

Easy to imagine and sell to the intellectually mouth-agape ---- not so easy to make a reality.

Visa overstays need to start doing jail time

 

[kaz]

And again, your argument is the military can stop them, but IF and ONLY IF we don't build a wall. That's just stupid

No, my argument is that the military can stop them more effective and cheaper than a wall that we do not need if we would first go after the companies paying them and created a realist, workable guest worker program that benefited both side.

But you want the wall and nothing else matters.

Strawman. I'm for that and never said I wasn't. We need to do EVERYTHING to stop illegal immigration here. Here's the thing. Proposing one thing is not saying I oppose everything else

Every time it has been mentioned by anyone you ignore ti and go of on some rant about NORMAL people. This is the first time you have even acknowledged it as an idea put forth, and were very careful not to endorse it directly.

Dear kaz and Golfing Gator
I agree that it will take more than just a wall.
Both for security reasons and for unity between people states and parties
to agree and focus on a unifying solution. We need to spell out more of the plans.

kaz I'm glad you see there needs to be SERIOUS support
for any such alternatives to work. The problem with Dems is that they
keep asking for things, but not showing any responsibility for how to build these solutions.
It's as if they are CLUELESS how much work, labor, time and resources are involved,
such as in promising "universal health care" -- when I brought up the realization that
it will take having hospitals in every county or district to meet the full demand because
people are already dying while waiting in line for care as it is, I get blank stares.
They want to ask for the carts without counting how many horses it will take
to pull that many people.

Golfing Gator and I both agree and envision there needs to be military
development along the border. So we can build jobs around that.
Gov Schwarzenegger had proposed to build prisons in Mexico
to accommodate Mexican nationals costing CA billions in resources every year.

So the military can be in charge of guarding prisons that will create
complexes, and cities can be built around that.

kaz just building a wall is like liberals yelling that "agreeing to global warming arguments"
is going to magically save the planet. No, it still takes all the work to stop pollution
and save resources. Whether we give a FLIP about global warming or walls or whatever.

We need more than that.

If you are waiting on "someone else" to lead a movement kaz
then that's also like liberals waiting on party or depending on govt.

What it is going to take is everyone supporting solutions, organizing
with our local party precincts, finding out who is leading or working
either for or against Trump, Democrats, Republicans, and asking
all these people, whether taxpayers or future leaders, to invest
DONATIONS into CREATING JOBS not more campaigns!

Here are model programs we can cite and ask to create JOBS
for leaders, dreamers, workers, veterans, students, etc
organizing sustainable Development along the border:

www.paceuniversal.com
Pace Universal builds schools and daycares to create safe jobs and centers for
women children and workers in regions otherwise exploited for trafficking

UTRGV - <system-page-title/>
UT at Brownsville already HAS an international student program that CROSSES the BORDER
what a concept

www.campusplan.org
Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee signed on to this innovative plan
to transform public housing into sustainable community campuses,
creating onsite programs for student interns to earn their education
while providing assistance and services to families to break the cycle of poverty
and get people off welfare instead of growing more dependent on govt and handouts

the expanded plan to restore the historic district
of Freedmen's Town into a campus for teaching self government
through business management of property and programs was
already posted www.freedmenstown.com

and replicating that plan along the border
might look like this www.earnedamnesty.org

So anyone can take these links and ask more party members and leaders
to start investing "campaign donations" into actually BUILDING
similar solutions within EACH DISTRICT. Then we can do the
same across states, nations, and the border. Build locally, expand globally.

kaz if you agree with any of these ideas, or you have
better ones, then take those to your local party leaders,
ask for a conference between parties and how to use
the Electoral College District system to set up meetings
with parties and start working out common proposals.

Instead of parties competing to raise money to OUTVOTE
each other at the polls, why not invest our resources
DIRECTLY in solutions that would CREATE JOBS FOR
ALL PARTIES, not just one office that several people can't all hold!

I'm for military support of the wall, just not as a replacement for it. The military trying to chase almost 3K illegal aliens around the desert as Gator proposes a night is insane. And he wants that not because he believes it will work, but because he knows it won't. The opposite of why he opposes the wall.

And Trump is already there advocating the wall. Why would I go grass roots for something that is already in the White House? That's why after not voting for Trump I'm advocating him and his ideas.

And contrary to the lies of the left, he isn't just proposing a wall, he's proposing electronic security, more border agents, a focus on Visa overstays. We have to do all of those things to secure our border

Think About the Objections You Are Told to Recite

For every border bandito we kill, thousands will be scared into vamoosing. It is illogical to think of numbers on each side when the power of a lethal solution is magnified far beyond the individual incident.

I don't know what that means

 

[kaz]

Yes comrade, it's the corporations and the rich, the bourgeois is oppressing the proletariat.

Actually, you study in school, you can go to college. Period. And you clean yourself up, work at your job, you will keep getting better paying jobs. You save, you live below your means. You won't be poor.

Explain in your Marxist mind how that isn't true

Just simply not true, no matter how many knute rockne speeches you give. It is not about having a marixt mind, it is about having a mind that actually works and one that understands the statistics of the matter, so that leaves you out of luck once again.

The chances of moving out of the class you are born into are terrible in this country, the 2nd worst in the industrialized world.

Democrats are out there every day repeating your lie to the poor in this country that they are victims, it's no wonder they don't try.

Also, no one else is importing millions of poor people to take their jobs as you're fighting to continue to do.

That doesn't contradict that if you clean yourself up and work hard, you will get ahead. It's just your Marxist ideology that disagrees with that

 

[edward37]

I voted for Gary Johnson, liar. I never said I didn't vote.

And you are why I make people identify themselves. You're a leftist socialist and you claim to have voted for Trump. What a load

Did I rig your results?

No, but you're obviously dishonest as you do nothing but argue for Democrats and Democrat policies all day long

i have a thread titles I'm a Republican now. Clearly I'm not a Republican now. BUT, I make some good points why I have abandoned the Democratic party. Why do I care about poor people when 80% of them don't even vote? The 80% deserve to be poor and don't deserve any attention from any politicians. THey need to understand if you don't vote you don't matter.

I'll be ok if Republicans get their way. I'd prefer Democrats be in charge but if poor people like you want Republicans then I won't stop you from shooting yourself in the foot.

Whatever the over sights whatever their faults I'll be a dem till the end of time I despise republicans ,their lies their bullying ,their bullshit

I give you permission to be a Democrat. The only way you're earning a living is to vote yourself one

kaz I'll tell you the same thing I told old red the other day I have made and lost more in a day than most of you lol patriots make in a year

 

[BrokeLoser]

And you keep ignoring that this doesn't affect the violent criminals or the drug dealers? Why is that?

There are not thousands of violent criminals or the drug dealers coming across the border every day. Most coming across are just looking for a better life and since there is someone to pay them they keep coming.

And I agreed with you that we need to punish people who hire illegal aliens, you stupid cvnt. Try to follow a discussion

Actually, no you never did, not even once. But I am glad to hear you say it now, we are making progress.

“There are not thousands of violent criminals or the drug dealers coming across the border every day. Most coming across are just looking for a better life and since there is someone to pay them they keep coming.”

The ole...“they’re just coming here for a better life” bunch of bleeding heart nobility bullshit....haha
Every single one coming across is a liability to REAL Americans in one way or another...period. They come for a better life at the expense of REAL Americans compromising their own quality of life...they come for a free ride for their anchor babies / money trees.
Stop selling yourself on bullshit...start looking out for your fellow countrymen.

 

[kaz]

And you keep ignoring that this doesn't affect the violent criminals or the drug dealers? Why is that?

There are not thousands of violent criminals or the drug dealers coming across the border every day. Most coming across are just looking for a better life and since there is someone to pay them they keep coming.

And I agreed with you that we need to punish people who hire illegal aliens, you stupid cvnt. Try to follow a discussion

Actually, no you never did, not even once. But I am glad to hear you say it now, we are making progress.

I did not say there are "thousands of violent criminals" and "drug dealers" coming "every day."

Now you're just swilling Democrat kool-aid.

But there are a lot of them. 23% of federal inmates are illegal aliens according to the department of homeland security.

And our country is awash with drugs, ostrich

 

[BrokeLoser]

Did I rig your results?

No, but you're obviously dishonest as you do nothing but argue for Democrats and Democrat policies all day long

i have a thread titles I'm a Republican now. Clearly I'm not a Republican now. BUT, I make some good points why I have abandoned the Democratic party. Why do I care about poor people when 80% of them don't even vote? The 80% deserve to be poor and don't deserve any attention from any politicians. THey need to understand if you don't vote you don't matter.

I'll be ok if Republicans get their way. I'd prefer Democrats be in charge but if poor people like you want Republicans then I won't stop you from shooting yourself in the foot.

Whatever the over sights whatever their faults I'll be a dem till the end of time I despise republicans ,their lies their bullying ,their bullshit

I give you permission to be a Democrat. The only way you're earning a living is to vote yourself one

kaz I'll tell you the same thing I told old red the other day I have made and lost more in a day than most of you lol patriots make in a year

Bullshit...post a bank statement or STFU!

 

[Vandalshandle]

For some reason, Trumpettes seem to think that Mexicans don't know how to operate shovels and ladders. Not that they have to, since half of all illegal aliens simply overstayed their visas.

Somehow leftists don't understand that shovels and ladders aren't a realistic way for the million Mexicans who come here a year to get here. Your standard is if one illegal gets through the whole thing is a failure.

You also don't understand that it's even harder to carry kilos of drugs, illegal weapons, etc. when you're crawling through a tunnel or climbing over a 30 foot wall designed to make that difficult.

Your most inane argument is that more electric monitoring and surveillance and more border patrols will work if we don't build a wall and won't work if we do.

Another failure who was educated (sic) in a government school

For your viewing pleasure:

tunnel in nogales - Yahoo Image Search Results

 

[BrokeLoser]

For some reason, Trumpettes seem to think that Mexicans don't know how to operate shovels and ladders. Not that they have to, since half of all illegal aliens simply overstayed their visas.

Somehow leftists don't understand that shovels and ladders aren't a realistic way for the million Mexicans who come here a year to get here. Your standard is if one illegal gets through the whole thing is a failure.

You also don't understand that it's even harder to carry kilos of drugs, illegal weapons, etc. when you're crawling through a tunnel or climbing over a 30 foot wall designed to make that difficult.

Your most inane argument is that more electric monitoring and surveillance and more border patrols will work if we don't build a wall and won't work if we do.

Another failure who was educated (sic) in a government school

For your viewing pleasure:

tunnel in nogales - Yahoo Image Search Results

Weird what those thirdworld human cockroaches will do..huh?
Dig tunnels to rob American taxpayers and distribute heroin, behead people with chainsaws, hang people from bridges...those filthy wetbacks are awesome fucking humans....let’s bring in another 20 million....whatta ya say LefTards?

 

[edward37]

No, but you're obviously dishonest as you do nothing but argue for Democrats and Democrat policies all day long

i have a thread titles I'm a Republican now. Clearly I'm not a Republican now. BUT, I make some good points why I have abandoned the Democratic party. Why do I care about poor people when 80% of them don't even vote? The 80% deserve to be poor and don't deserve any attention from any politicians. THey need to understand if you don't vote you don't matter.

I'll be ok if Republicans get their way. I'd prefer Democrats be in charge but if poor people like you want Republicans then I won't stop you from shooting yourself in the foot.

Whatever the over sights whatever their faults I'll be a dem till the end of time I despise republicans ,their lies their bullying ,their bullshit

I give you permission to be a Democrat. The only way you're earning a living is to vote yourself one

kaz I'll tell you the same thing I told old red the other day I have made and lost more in a day than most of you lol patriots make in a year

Bullshit...post a bank statement or STFU!

you'll have to get along with this

Day Change
-$74,409.09

 

[kaz]

Did I rig your results?

No, but you're obviously dishonest as you do nothing but argue for Democrats and Democrat policies all day long

i have a thread titles I'm a Republican now. Clearly I'm not a Republican now. BUT, I make some good points why I have abandoned the Democratic party. Why do I care about poor people when 80% of them don't even vote? The 80% deserve to be poor and don't deserve any attention from any politicians. THey need to understand if you don't vote you don't matter.

I'll be ok if Republicans get their way. I'd prefer Democrats be in charge but if poor people like you want Republicans then I won't stop you from shooting yourself in the foot.

Whatever the over sights whatever their faults I'll be a dem till the end of time I despise republicans ,their lies their bullying ,their bullshit

I give you permission to be a Democrat. The only way you're earning a living is to vote yourself one

kaz I'll tell you the same thing I told old red the other day I have made and lost more in a day than most of you lol patriots make in a year

 

[kaz]

And you keep ignoring that this doesn't affect the violent criminals or the drug dealers? Why is that?

There are not thousands of violent criminals or the drug dealers coming across the border every day. Most coming across are just looking for a better life and since there is someone to pay them they keep coming.

And I agreed with you that we need to punish people who hire illegal aliens, you stupid cvnt. Try to follow a discussion

Actually, no you never did, not even once. But I am glad to hear you say it now, we are making progress.

“There are not thousands of violent criminals or the drug dealers coming across the border every day. Most coming across are just looking for a better life and since there is someone to pay them they keep coming.”

The ole...“they’re just coming here for a better life” bunch of bleeding heart nobility bullshit....haha
Every single one coming across is a liability to REAL Americans in one way or another...period. They come for a better life at the expense of REAL Americans compromising their own quality of life...they come for a free ride for their anchor babies / money trees.
Stop selling yourself on bullshit...start looking out for your fellow countrymen.

It's what it's like debating gator. I say there are violent criminals and drug dealers coming here and I also say almost 3K people come the border across a day, and gator actually hears there are almost 3K violent criminals and drug dealers coming here a day. You can debate him for hours and he hears everything that twisted way

 

[kaz]

No, but you're obviously dishonest as you do nothing but argue for Democrats and Democrat policies all day long

i have a thread titles I'm a Republican now. Clearly I'm not a Republican now. BUT, I make some good points why I have abandoned the Democratic party. Why do I care about poor people when 80% of them don't even vote? The 80% deserve to be poor and don't deserve any attention from any politicians. THey need to understand if you don't vote you don't matter.

I'll be ok if Republicans get their way. I'd prefer Democrats be in charge but if poor people like you want Republicans then I won't stop you from shooting yourself in the foot.

Whatever the over sights whatever their faults I'll be a dem till the end of time I despise republicans ,their lies their bullying ,their bullshit

I give you permission to be a Democrat. The only way you're earning a living is to vote yourself one

kaz I'll tell you the same thing I told old red the other day I have made and lost more in a day than most of you lol patriots make in a year

Bullshit...post a bank statement or STFU!

I believe him. I mean I'm a billionaire. I would have bought Microsoft but it wasn't expensive enough. I also am a male model and date actresses and models. I have a different one every night. What about you BrokeLoser? Aren't you a spy who flies into Russia and sabatoges their nuclear weapon systems?

 

[Rambunctious]

We are on track to add 2.6 trillion dollars to the national debt this year. How did voting for Trump help with that out of control spending?

We will not get out of this debt. mess Obama put us in by sitting on our asses and calling it a new normal...we will have to invest to increase capitol to the national treasury...if you knew anything about business you would already know that...The wall will save our nation millions once it's in place...it will pay for it's self...

 

[Decus]

Can you believe a politician actually said this?:

“We all agree on the need to better secure the border and to punish employers who choose to hire illegal immigrants,”

“We are a generous and welcoming people here in the United States,”

“But those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law, and they show disregard for those who are following the law.

“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants in this country.”

Go figure.

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