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Hobbit said:Just because you say it doesn't make it so. Same applies to you. Believe it or not, Kerry and Moore have been caught in ten times the lies W. has, so, in the words of the ketchup lady, shove it.
wade said:That's just pure bull. Besides, the whole pushing of this kind of crap into the discussion is just RWA's way of trying to obfuscate the issues at hand.
The point still remains:
George W. Bush is turning the USA into a giant sewer!
And all the name calling and mud slinging you and RWA can do won't change this fact one bit.
rtwngAvngr said:Hey wade. environmentalism is anti human and BUSH WINS!
wade said:I told you months ago Bush would win. I'm surprised it was as close as it was.
Evironmentalism is "anti-human"? Pumping mercury into the air is anti-human RWA. What could be more anti-human than dooming millions of babies to lives of health problems and stupidity?
You are anti-human RWA. You believe that anything that is good for your wallet is good for people. So you support a man who has put the foxes in charge of the henhouse, and you will then undoubtedly try to blame the democrats/liberals when the chickens start disappearing.
rtwngAvngr said:I am for basic envrionmental protections. But the environmentalists of today are really just advocates of socialism.
I believe people being able to have jobs is good for people. Needlessly dampening economic growth based on the RED HERRING of global warming is immoral.
Bush Disses Global Warming Report
WASHINGTON, June 4, 2002
"(The report) undercuts everything the president has said about global warming since he took office."
Philip Clapp,
National Environmental Trust
(CBS) President Bush dismissed on Tuesday a report put out by his administration warning that human activities are behind climate change that is having significant effects on the environment.
The report released by the Environmental Protection Agency was a surprising endorsement of what many scientists and weather experts have long argued that human activities such as oil refining, power plants and automobile emissions are important causes of global warming.
But it suggests nothing beyond voluntary action by industry for dealing with the so-called "greenhouse" gases, the program Bush advocated in rejecting a treaty negotiated in Kyoto, Japan, in 1997 calling for mandatory reduction of those gases by industrial nations.
"I read the report put out by the bureaucracy," Mr. Bush said dismissively when asked about the EPA report, adding that he still opposes the Kyoto treaty.
The report was the first by the Bush administration to mostly blame human activity for global warming.
"The changes observed over the last several decades are likely mostly due to human activities, but we cannot rule out that some significant part of these changes is also a reflection of natural variability," the report says.
The report also says that despite some lingering scientific uncertainties, "There is general agreement that the observed warming is real and has been particularly strong within the past 20 years."
Kalee Kreider, global warming campaign director for the National Environmental Trust, an advocacy group, said environmentalists want from the administration a climate change plan that joins with other nations in requiring carbon dioxide emission reductions and increased fuel efficiency requirements for vehicles.
"It's good they've done a 180-degree turn on the science. Given the audience, they pretty much had to," Kreider said. "But we're still waiting for a plan that mandates pollution cuts."
The White House had previously said there was not enough scientific evidence to blame industrial emissions for global warming.
"(The report) undercuts everything the president has said about global warming since he took office," said Philip Clapp, president of the National Environmental Trust.
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In April 2002, the EPA had prepared a nationwide warning about a brand of asbestos called Zonolite, which contained a form of the substance far more lethally dangerous than ordinary asbestos. However, reportedly at the last minute, the White House stopped the warning. Why? The St. Louis Post-Dispatch, which broke the story, noted that the Bush administration at the time was pushing legislation limiting the asbestos manufacturer's liability. Whatever the reason, such silence by an agency charged with protecting our health is a silent lie in my book
One sometimes gets the impression that this administration believes that how it runs the government is its business and no one else's. It is certainly not the business of Congress. And if it's not the business of the people's representatives, it's certainly no business of yours or mine.
But this is a dangerous condition for any representative democracy to find itself in. The tight control of information, as well as the dissemination of misleading information and outright falsehoods, conjures up a disturbing image of a very different kind of society.
Democracies are not well-run nor long-preserved with secrecy and lies.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0405-08.htm
wade said:Even Bush's commissioned study reported that industrial CO2 output is a major cause of global warming:
(It was later found that in fact Bush had not even read the report, he lied in saying he did and later admitted he had not.)
So even when his own scientists report that Global Warming is caused by human activity Bush denies it and refuses to take any reasonable action to curb the ever increasing CO2 output of industry.
Do you realize the disaster that will occur if Global warming continues at its current pace? According to the models, and their is pleanty of evidence in the Ant-Arctic to support this, ocean levels are rising and will continue to do so at an increasing rate. Within 50 years the levels could easily rise 5-10 feet, wiping out large portions of most of our cities and most of the major cities of W. Europe.
Even you have to admit that when the President appoints the leading lobbiests for the Coal, Oil, Chemical, Asbestos, and Hog farming industries as the department heads of the EPA, we, the American people are going to get screwed.
rtwngAvngr said:Well you know. All these guys are bonesmen. Even bush will stoop to using the lie of global warming to facilitate his bilderberger agenda.
wade said:Ummm.. this is non-sensical. I think you have mis-read something somewhere.
And your contention that Global Warming is a lie is just outright silly. It's a very provable phenomna.
rtwngAvngr said:You're silly. Silly goose.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/18/wsun18.xml
The truth about global warming - it's the Sun that's to blame
By Michael Leidig and Roya Nikkhah
(Filed: 18/07/2004)
Global warming has finally been explained: the Earth is getting hotter because the Sun is burning more brightly than at any time during the past 1,000 years, according to new research.
A study by Swiss and German scientists suggests that increasing radiation from the sun is responsible for recent global climate changes.
deaddude said:Environmentalism merely seeks to ensure that short term gains now do not lead to long term losses and burdens for posterity.
no problem happens all the timeSaid1 said:Oops sorry, you're not Wade, my bad.
deaddude said:The idea that environmentalism is anti-human is ridiculous. In case you havent notice RWA humanity NEEDS an environment. Environmentalism merely seeks to ensure that short term gains now do not lead to long term losses and burdens for posterity.
deaddude said:What kind of developement are you talking about?
no problem happens all the time
rtwngAvngr said:You're silly. Silly goose.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/18/wsun18.xml
The truth about global warming - it's the Sun that's to blame
By Michael Leidig and Roya Nikkhah
(Filed: 18/07/2004)
Global warming has finally been explained: the Earth is getting hotter because the Sun is burning more brightly than at any time during the past 1,000 years, according to new research.
A study by Swiss and German scientists suggests that increasing radiation from the sun is responsible for recent global climate changes.
The change in solar brightness over the past 20 years is not enough to cause the observed changes in our climate. But the indirect effects may be larger, and the range of their influence is unclear, so more study is needed, he added.
...
All in all, I think we are coming to a point where we acknowledge that both solar activity and greenhouse gases are important factors in the change in the Earths temperature, he said.
http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/Swissinfo.html?siteSect=41&sid=5080155
wade said:Classic use of mis-information to create pure crap. Here's what Dr. Sami Solanki, who is the source of info for your supposed "proof" has to say:
If you look into it a little, all the existing evidence is that solar changes only accounts for perhaps about 12% of the noted global warming phenomena, probably less.
rtwngAvngr said:You're right. But most environementalists take it too far, sacrificing new jobs that people need for the boogeyman of global warming.
rtwngAvngr said:Bliggidy blip.
wade said:And if you noticed, I never emphasized the global warming arguments in my posts about Bush's anti-enviromental policies.
Bush's attack on clean air, clean water, clean land, and preservation of fragile ecologies are the emphisis of my comments in this thread. All things that will have dire consequences on the American people within a decade. Global warming is more of a 50-100 year concern.
rtwngAvngr said:Wade, do you like pancakes?
