Bush / Cheney Created Conditions That Led Directly To I S I L

[tinydancer]

Let's give Bush credit for something - building ISIS.

ISIS: George W. Bush built that

The DK article isn't loading for me. Why don't you just explain how President Bush built ISIS in Syria?

Just cut to the chase.

 

[Papageorgio]

 

[blackhawk]

You guys can argue for the rest of your lives if we should have gone into Iraq or not it won't change anything we did that is just a fact here are some more facts. The group now known as ISIS or ISIL if you like formerly known as Al-Qaeda in Iraq had been beaten back by the time Bush left office if you want to make the case if we had not invaded there never would have been an Al-Qaeda in Iraq fine fair point but the fact remains things did not really start to go south in Iraq until after we pulled all U.S. forces out yes for the left out there Maliki played a role in that but lets not pretend that Obama who campaigned on getting out of Iraq and ending the war was ever really serious about extending the SOFA. All of the people and reasons listed and more are why we have the current situation in Iraq, Syria and across the Middle east.

 

[Machaut]

It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.

Can anyone find any proof of this at all? I'm having difficulty doing so.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Bush stirred up a beehive in the region

The rest of the world is paying the price

You and Lakhota are Truthers.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Bush stirred up a beehive in the region

The rest of the world is paying the price

You and Lakhota are Truthers.

There is a difference between the two...Lakhota is a true liberal loon, he believes the shit he types. R'winger is a liberal spinner. He knows what he types is not true, but he does it anyway.
Which is worse?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Bush stirred up a beehive in the region

The rest of the world is paying the price

It had already been stirred before bush got in.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Let's give Bush credit for something - building ISIS.

ISIS: George W. Bush built that

And Sitting Bull gave us George Armstrong Custer?

 

[georgephillip]

Let's give Bush credit for something - building ISIS.

ISIS: George W. Bush built that

The DK article isn't loading for me. Why don't you just explain how President Bush built ISIS in Syria?

Just cut to the chase.

"In 2006, the committed Shiite sectarian Nouri al-Maliki was President Bush's hand-picked choice for the premiership. But by the summer of 2007, Robert Draper reported, Bush, John McCain and Lindsey Graham were all worrying that Maliki would undo the gains of the surge made possible by General David Petraeus' Sunni Awakening:

"It suddenly seemed that the efforts of the surge might be for naught.

"And so, shortly after returning from Iraq, McCain and Graham visited President Bush at the White House. According to three individuals with knowledge of the July 11 conversation, the pair advised Bush to cut all ties with al-Maliki unless he showed immediate signs of engagement.

"Such a move on Bush's part would be tantamount to encouraging a coup against Iraq's first democratically elected prime minister, but McCain and Graham saw the situation as a desperate one.

"We've got a military strategy that's working, they told the president. And it's being undercut by an Iraqi government that's dysfunctional.

"Bush was sympathetic. He'd been giving al-Maliki pep talks for more than six months now, with little to show for the effort. But, he told the two senators, 'Who's going to replace him?'

"We don't have a good answer for that, they replied. But unless al-Maliki changes, we can't get there.

Al-Maliki, Bush, Obama, and all the whores who come next are all following the same $cript.

ISIS George W. Bush built that

 

[tinydancer]

It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.

Can anyone find any proof of this at all? I'm having difficulty doing so.

Baghdadi's top man in the field is a veteran of wars. He's a pro. I know of no former Saddam era Iraq military commanders in Syria.

Tarkhan Batirashvili (Georgian: თარხან ბათირაშვილი, born 1986), more commonly known by his nom de guerre Abu Omar al-Shishani or Omar al-Shishani (Arabic: أبو عمر الشيشاني‎, meaning "Omar the Chechen"),] is a Georgian jihadist.

A former Georgian Army soldier and veteran of the Russo-Georgian War, he has served in various command positions with Islamist militant groups fighting in the Syrian civil war.

He currently serves as a commander in the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant in Syria, and was previously the leader of the rebel group Katibat al-Muhajireen (Emigrants Brigade), also known as the Muhajireen Brigade, and its successor, Jaish al-Muhajireen wal-Ansar (Army of Emigrants and Supporters). Batirashvili was named commander of the northern sector of Syria by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) in the summer of 2013.

Abu Omar al-Shishani - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Lakhota]

BAGHDAD — As fighters for the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria continue to seize territory, the group has quietly built an effective management structure of mostly middle-aged Iraqis overseeing departments of finance, arms, local governance, military operations and recruitment.

At the top the organization is the self-declared leader of all Muslims, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, a radical chief executive officer of sorts, who handpicked many of his deputies from among the men he met while a prisoner in American custody at the Camp Bucca detention center a decade ago.

He had a preference for military men, and so his leadership team includes many officers from Saddam Hussein’s long-disbanded army.

They include former Iraqi officers like Fadel al-Hayali, the top deputy for Iraq, who once served Mr. Hussein as a lieutenant colonel, and Adnan al-Sweidawi, a former lieutenant colonel who now heads the group’s military council.

Military Skill and Terrorist Technique Fuel Success of ISIS - The New York Times

Former Saddam Hussein commanders/officers fighting for ISIS/ISIL.

 

[tinydancer]

BAGHDAD — As fighters for the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria continue to seize territory, the group has quietly built an effective management structure of mostly middle-aged Iraqis overseeing departments of finance, arms, local governance, military operations and recruitment.

At the top the organization is the self-declared leader of all Muslims, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, a radical chief executive officer of sorts, who handpicked many of his deputies from among the men he met while a prisoner in American custody at the Camp Bucca detention center a decade ago.

He had a preference for military men, and so his leadership team includes many officers from Saddam Hussein’s long-disbanded army.

They include former Iraqi officers like Fadel al-Hayali, the top deputy for Iraq, who once served Mr. Hussein as a lieutenant colonel, and Adnan al-Sweidawi, a former lieutenant colonel who now heads the group’s military council.

Military Skill and Terrorist Technique Fuel Success of ISIS - The New York Times

Former Saddam Hussein commanders/officers fighting for ISIS/ISIL.

Interesting. Thanks for that link.

 

[tinydancer]

So is Baghdadi going to be able to put together and more importantly keep together all these elite jihadis from so many different backgrounds? Alas but that is for another thread.

Fascinating.

ETA: “There is no one in Baghdadi’s state who is not a believer,” Mr. Alhashimi said.

I guess he's going to be able to. That quote is from Lakhota's link.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/w...ow-seen-as-factor-in-isis-successes.html?_r=1

 

[Lakhota]

BAGHDAD (AP) — Iraq's new prime minister said Wednesday that foreign ground troops are neither necessary nor wanted in his country's fight against the Islamic State group, flatly rejecting the idea a day after the top U.S. general recommended that American forces may be needed if current efforts to combat the extremists fail.

In his first interview with foreign media since taking office on Sept. 8, Haider al-Abadi told The Associated Press that U.S. airstrikes have been helpful in the country's efforts to roll back the Sunni militant group, but stressed that putting foreign boots on the ground "is out of the question."

"Not only is it not necessary," he said, "We don't want them. We won't allow them. Full stop."

More: Iraq PM Says Foreign Ground Troops Not Necessary In Fight Against ISIS

That seems clear enough to me.

 

[Pop23]

It takes a lot of gall for people like Dick Cheney to utter even one critical word about President Obama's strategy to eliminate the threat of ISIL in the Middle East.

In fact, it was the unnecessary Bush/Cheney Iraq War that created the conditions that led directly to the rise of the "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant" (ISIL).

Former George H.W. Bush Secretary of State James Baker said as much on this week's edition of "Meet the Press." He noted that after the first President Bush had ousted Saddam Hussein from Kuwait in 1991, the U.S. had refrained from marching on Baghdad precisely to avoid kicking over the sectarian hornet's nest that was subsequently unleashed by the Bush/Cheney attack on Iraq in 2003.

But it wasn't just the War in Iraq itself that set the stage for the subsequent 12 years of renewed, high-intensity sectarian strife between Sunni's and Shiites in the Middle East. It was also what came after.

Bush's "de-Bathification program" eliminated all vestiges of Sunni power in Iraqi society and set the stage for the Sunni insurrection against American occupation and the new Shiite-led government. Bush disbanded the entire Sunni-dominated Iraqi Army and bureaucracy. He didn't change it. He didn't make it more inclusive of Shiites and Kurds. He just disbanded it. It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.

General Petraeus took steps to reverse these policies with his "Sunni Awakening" programs that engaged the Sunni tribes against what was then known as Al Qaeda in Iraq. But the progress he made ultimately collapsed because the Bush/Cheney regime helped install Nouri Al-Maliki as Prime Minister who systematically disenfranchised Sunnis throughout Iraq.

And that's not all. The War in Iraq -- which had nothing whatsoever to do with "terrorism" when it was launched -- created massive numbers of terrorists that otherwise would not have dreamed of joining extremist organizations. It did so by killing massive numbers of Iraqis, creating hundreds of thousands of refugees, imprisoning thousands, and convincing many residents of the Middle East that the terrorist narrative was correct: that the U.S. and the West were really about taking Muslim lands.

More: Bush/Cheney Created Conditions that Led Directly to ISIL Robert Creamer

At least Bush is smart enough to keep his mouth shut about all of this - but Cheney isn't.

No, it was actually

Genghis Khan

But you and the rest of you hacks ignore real history and continue with your idiocy.

 

[whitehall]

If you need a historic perspective you could say that Truman created the North Korean threat that we still live with after 60 years. He sent Troops without congressional approval and botched the mission so badly that it turned into a disaster but Truman was a democrat and the media loved him so there was little outrage over the loss of about 50,000 Troops during the "forgotten war" Bush gave Saddam about a year to comply with UN sanctions or face the consequences. Congress including 36% of democrats gave approval for boots on the ground. You don't get to take back the approval once it is given or become freaking traitors. The Military operation was run superbly but in the change of administrations the mission (including Afghanistan) was abandoned by the Obama administration. Obama is quoted in saying that ISIS was not a threat and the power vacuum of abandoning Iraq invited the threat we live with today.

 

[BlindBoo]

Yeah. Except for the fact that he did.

 

[paulitician]

Just come home. Leave the Middle East to the People it belongs to. Let them sort out their own problems. The U.S. and Great Britain especially, just do too much meddling around the world. It's time to scale that back.

 

[Oldstyle]

Just come home. Leave the Middle East to the People it belongs to. Let them sort out their own problems. The U.S. and Great Britain especially, just do too much meddling around the world. It's time to scale that back.

I don't think you're going to like how a group like ISIS "sorts things out", Paul...just saying...

Isolationism hasn't worked for quite some time. It's a small world these days.