Bush didn't just lie........

[GreenBean]

Fear mongering was much more effective

George W. Bush didn t just lie about the Iraq War. What he did was much worse.

What the Bush administration launched in 2002 and 2003 may have been the most comprehensive, sophisticated, and misleading campaign of government propaganda in American history. Spend too much time in the weeds, and you risk missing the hysterical tenor of the whole campaign.

In the summer of 2002, the administration established something called the White House Iraq Group, through which Karl Rove and other communication strategists like Karen Hughes and Mary Matalin coordinated with policy officials to sell the public on the threat from Iraq in order to justify war. "The script had been finalized with great care over the summer," White House press secretary Scott McClellan later wrote, for a "campaign to convince Americans that war with Iraq was inevitable and necessary."
In that campaign, intelligence wasn't something to be understood and assessed by the administration in making their decisions, it was a propaganda tool to lead the public to the conclusion that the administration wanted. Again and again we saw a similar pattern: An allegation would bubble up from somewhere, some in the intelligence community would say that it could be true but others would say it was either speculation or outright baloney, but before you knew it the president or someone else was presenting it to the public as settled fact.





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You Liberals keep revisiting this and you always gloss over the case Democrats made for Saddam removal by force BEFORE Bush set foot in the White House. Until you can show where, when, and why Democrats' changed their position before Bush made his case, you are simply peddling propaganda and falsehoods about Bush lying. Then again, you are the same people still clamoring to the notion that the Nation's second 9-11 attack was due to a YouTube video. Give it Up or give it some fact and logic.

Show where Clinton said we should invade and take over the country. Show where any Democrat advocated that. More quotes that Saddam is a bad guy doesn't cut it

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

 

[GreenBean]

Was another objective was to make Iraq worse than it was under Hussein

You can thank Obama for that

 

[Tuatara]

Was another objective was to make Iraq worse than it was under Hussein

You can thank Obama for that

Really, is that really your way of thinking? Are you suggesting it was roses and rainbows from the start of the invasion to the end of 2007? Remember Isis is a direct result from the discontent of the Iraqi people from the purging of the Iraqi National Guard, not allowing elected Iraqi officials to write their own constitution, the torture of Abu Ghraib prisoneers, the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent civillians, ...etc. Seriously Bush F___ed up that place and you now want to blame Obama because they are not singing Kumbaya while holding hands? I have already asked this and have gotten zero response. What did Obama do to make Iraq worse than it was under Bush's war?

 

[GWV5903]

Was another objective was to make Iraq worse than it was under Hussein

You can thank Obama for that

Really, is that really your way of thinking? Are you suggesting it was roses and rainbows from the start of the invasion to the end of 2007? Remember Isis is a direct result from the discontent of the Iraqi people from the purging of the Iraqi National Guard, not allowing elected Iraqi officials to write their own constitution, the torture of Abu Ghraib prisoneers, the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent civillians, ...etc. Seriously Bush F___ed up that place and you now want to blame Obama because they are not singing Kumbaya while holding hands? I have already asked this and have gotten zero response. What did Obama do to make Iraq worse than it was under Bush's war?

Really? It was such a wonderful place and the people loved being pummeled...

You need to get fresh air, soon...

 

[Tuatara]

Fear mongering was much more effective

George W. Bush didn t just lie about the Iraq War. What he did was much worse.

What the Bush administration launched in 2002 and 2003 may have been the most comprehensive, sophisticated, and misleading campaign of government propaganda in American history. Spend too much time in the weeds, and you risk missing the hysterical tenor of the whole campaign.

In the summer of 2002, the administration established something called the White House Iraq Group, through which Karl Rove and other communication strategists like Karen Hughes and Mary Matalin coordinated with policy officials to sell the public on the threat from Iraq in order to justify war. "The script had been finalized with great care over the summer," White House press secretary Scott McClellan later wrote, for a "campaign to convince Americans that war with Iraq was inevitable and necessary."
In that campaign, intelligence wasn't something to be understood and assessed by the administration in making their decisions, it was a propaganda tool to lead the public to the conclusion that the administration wanted. Again and again we saw a similar pattern: An allegation would bubble up from somewhere, some in the intelligence community would say that it could be true but others would say it was either speculation or outright baloney, but before you knew it the president or someone else was presenting it to the public as settled fact.





.

You Liberals keep revisiting this and you always gloss over the case Democrats made for Saddam removal by force BEFORE Bush set foot in the White House. Until you can show where, when, and why Democrats' changed their position before Bush made his case, you are simply peddling propaganda and falsehoods about Bush lying. Then again, you are the same people still clamoring to the notion that the Nation's second 9-11 attack was due to a YouTube video. Give it Up or give it some fact and logic.

Show where Clinton said we should invade and take over the country. Show where any Democrat advocated that. More quotes that Saddam is a bad guy doesn't cut it

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

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Why are you posting this? Read the replies that were made about these initial comments. This way we don't have to repeat ourselves. Please read post #404 and on. Then you actually try to counter what any of us said.

 

[Tuatara]

Was another objective was to make Iraq worse than it was under Hussein

You can thank Obama for that

Really, is that really your way of thinking? Are you suggesting it was roses and rainbows from the start of the invasion to the end of 2007? Remember Isis is a direct result from the discontent of the Iraqi people from the purging of the Iraqi National Guard, not allowing elected Iraqi officials to write their own constitution, the torture of Abu Ghraib prisoneers, the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent civillians, ...etc. Seriously Bush F___ed up that place and you now want to blame Obama because they are not singing Kumbaya while holding hands? I have already asked this and have gotten zero response. What did Obama do to make Iraq worse than it was under Bush's war?

Really? It was such a wonderful place and the people loved being pummeled...

You need to get fresh air, soon...

Please explain yourself. Are you suggesting Iraq was better during the Bush war and occupancy years.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

I missed the part about Clinton calling for invasion

I guess you missed the part about 9-11 also - didn't happen on Clintons watch. If it had we would have been apologizing to the persecuted poor misunderstood little Al-qaeda fellas .

You should apologize for being blatantly stupid...effing moron....

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Yes we know you have to push the far left debunked religious texts..[/QUOTE]

and you have to make up stuff to protect and defend and service this guy

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

And the far left drones reach out and go to the far left sites for their "facts"..

and you reach in your bowels for the stuff you post...its stinks ..you stink

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Who started that story about Iraq, WMDs, and Al Qaeda? That’s right, Bill Clinton. Who started that story about Iraq WMDs and Al Qaeda That s right Bill Clinton. The War Room

who launched the invasion of Iraq ...Clinton ? no no its was this freaking moron

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Was another objective was to make Iraq worse than it was under Hussein

You can thank Obama for that

Bush lied and hundreds of thousands died for no reason...only morons continue to insist it was a good idea to invade

 

[there4eyeM]

"We achieved every objective we set at the start."

WE didn't achieve anything. WE lost. We lost our sons and daughters and huge quantities of treasure. And, we killed thousands of civilians. We had nothing to achieve.
The gang around the Bush administration, that pack of inhuman creatures, achieved everything they had in mind. It doesn't take being on the left or right to see things correctly.

 

[GreenBean]

hundreds of thousands

I think you need to re-check your facts as well as your Math Little Fella

 

[rightwinger]

I can just imagine what the meeting was like when someone came up with that phrase and everyone chimed in that was the kind of sales gimmick winner worthy of a Madison Avenue campaign that ends up helping Coors sell more beer to alcoholics and vitamin supplement companies sell more herbal remedies packaged as miracle cures to hapless people who are desperate for any kind of relief from the health problems associated with growing older.

You do not have to imagine...here are the Republican cynical bastards discussing"how do we start the war" how do we sell this atrocity to the US people .........

Hubris Selling the Iraq War - The Rumsfeld memos MSNBC

Among the new revelations in tonight’s documentary about how the Bush administration convinced the American people to go to war in Iraq are newly declassified talking points and handwritten notes from November, 2001 in which can be seen then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s team trying to find the most compelling reason to justify war.

Hubris co-author Michael Isikoff explains:

By late November, Rumsfeld was meeting with Gen. Tommy Franks, Centcom commander, to plot the “decapitation” of the Iraqi government, according to the now declassified talking points agenda from the sessions (shown on television for the first time in the documentary). The talking points suggest that Rumsfeld and his team were grappling with a tricky issue: “How [to] start?” the war. In other words, what would the pretext be? Various scenarios were outlined: “US discovers Saddam connection to Sept. 11 attack or to anthrax attacks?” reads one of them. “Dispute over WMD inspections?” reads another. “Start now thinking about inspection demands.”

Team Bush knew Saddam would be antsy about inspections and could not comply 100%. No matter what Blix said, they would find some reason why Saddam wasn't complying

They went in without a net assuming once they invaded they would find SOMETHING that justified invasion....they didn't

As I recall, Bush seemed increasingly irritated when Saddam was complying with inspections.

That was what was so puzzling at the time
Saddam was providing more access than we had seen in a decade and Bush still thought we had to invade immediately

Saddam was continuing to play games, allowing inspectors, and then kicking them out. Even the UN voted for war.

Saddam was providing more access than he had in ten years. Bush, looking to start a war, was not going to be satisfied with anything he did

 

[rightwinger]

I missed the part about Clinton calling for invasion

I guess you missed the part about 9-11 also - didn't happen on Clintons watch. If it had we would have been apologizing to the persecuted poor misunderstood little Al-qaeda fellas .

Same old bullshit......Democrats would not have done anything after 9-11

What we do know is no other President would have used 9-11 as a pretext to invade Iraq

 

[Dragonlady]

Rabbi posted that Dick Cheney was no longer involved in Haliburton and didn't personally benefit from the war. That's not true.

Cheney refused to sell his Haliburton shares when he became VP and he refused to put them in a blind trust so he was very much involved with the U.S. Defence Department's #1 contractor and still is.

He wasn't the only member of W's inner circle to have significant shareholdings in companies doing business with the federal government.

These asshats looted the federal treasury for their own personal gain while Americans died.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

hundreds of thousands

I think you need to re-check your facts as well as your Math Little Fella

sure big moron bloviating pig sure

 

[The Rabbi]

Rabbi posted that Dick Cheney was no longer involved in Haliburton and didn't personally benefit from the war. That's not true.

Cheney refused to sell his Haliburton shares when he became VP and he refused to put them in a blind trust so he was very much involved with the U.S. Defence Department's #1 contractor and still is.

He wasn't the only member of W's inner circle to have significant shareholdings in companies doing business with the federal government.

These asshats looted the federal treasury for their own personal gain while Americans died.

You're such a fucking liar. Cheney had no financial interest in whether Halliburton got contracts or not.
Cheney s Halliburton Ties Remain - CBS News

 

[Claudette]

Rabbi posted that Dick Cheney was no longer involved in Haliburton and didn't personally benefit from the war. That's not true.

Cheney refused to sell his Haliburton shares when he became VP and he refused to put them in a blind trust so he was very much involved with the U.S. Defence Department's #1 contractor and still is.

He wasn't the only member of W's inner circle to have significant shareholdings in companies doing business with the federal government.

These asshats looted the federal treasury for their own personal gain while Americans died.

You're such a fucking liar. Cheney had no financial interest in whether Halliburton got contracts or not.
Cheney s Halliburton Ties Remain - CBS News

Seems some folks don't know Bush isn't POTUS anymore and hasn't been for years.

One has to wonder why all they seem to want to talk about is what Bush did or didn't do instead of what Obama is doing.

Seems these idiots have nothing better to talk about. God knows they sure do ignore what Barry and his pack of boobs are doing and waste no time defending what he does.

 

[Redfish]

More Bush blunders or outright lies

In order to justify his invasion, Bush told the American people it would be quickly over and that an occupying force of 100,000 troops would not be necessary. When Gen Shinseki stated that an occupying force in excess of that number would be required for many years....he was fired

a majority of both parties in congress authorized, funded, an supported the Iraq fiasco. They are all responsible, including both Clintons.

A minority of Democrats supported it and almost every (except for 7) Republican supported it

But in the end...it was Bush's war
He envisioned it, he lied to get it and he gave the order to invade

Hillary supported it, voted to fund it, and supported the continuation of it. NO ONE LIED. Believing bad intel is not lying. Were the following lying: UN, EU, UK, Germany, Spain, Israel, Russia, Japan, both clintons, kerry, gore, and the dems who voted for it?

We get it that you hate bush and hate that he beat your clowns twice in close elections, We get it.

But Iraq belongs to all of them. Your partisan bullshit notwithstanding.