Bush's Surge: Win. Obama's Surge: Lose

[Pete7469]

Actually, self destruction is the hallmark of any cult, regardless of how many centuries it has been around. They all ask people to weaken themselves so that their leaders can live in luxury. But then, that is what conservatism is all about, isn't it?

In spite of being well aware that when I'm interacting with a moonbat, my time would be better spent teaching ballistics to a fishtank I'm still sometimes awestruck by the uber ignorance that they post.

NO CULT, or political ideology comes right out and tells people to bring themselves down for the benefit of a leader. There would never have been any cults at all if they had.

Libturdism as preached by Jim Jones, Karl Marx, Hitler, et al, asked individuals to sacrifice for their peers, for a false promise of collective prosperity. Naturally the sociopaths exploited the efforts of the collective and empowered themselves. That's what regressivism is all about, dimwits getting suckered into cults of personality and gleefully grabbing the shit end of the stick and thanking the beloved leader for the opportunity.

Conservatism is about self reliance, and the individual's responsibility to provide for himself without interference from regressive parasites like you and the cults of personality you believe will make the utopian pipe dream a success.

 

[IcebergSlim]

Courage would be acknowledging what everyone has come to recognize, specifically that Iraqnam was an egregious mistake, to apologize to the people of Iraqnam, the US, and the world, and to turn yourself in to The Hague offering to provide your own rope.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Both surges failed in t he end when troops were withdrawn.

We are not going to ever leave scores of thousands of troops overseas again.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Bush's surge was a failure in the sense that it was unnecessary. The Sunni Awakening turned the tide in Iraq, started before the surge, and had nothing to do with the surge.

 

[Pete7469]

There really is no point in discussing this issue any longer.

Bed wetting libturds generally avoid military service because they don't exist to make sacrifices or efforts to promote anything beyond their own self centered concerns. Few of them have been outside the country, let alone deployed to the middle east and least of all to OIF.

As someone who was in Iraq in 05 and 07 I can say from first hand experience that not only was the surge a success in it's aim to hunt down and kill jihadist psychopaths, but to finally bring stability and order to the country.

The Bush doctrine of "de-ba'athification" was erroneous. It would have been far wiser to leave the Iraqi military intact and use it as it was for security as well as most of the government to continue it's work. Hindsight being what it is, the surge was the way this mistake was fixed as well as it was.

The Iraq war was exactly the right thing to do. Jihadist assholes declared war on us decades ago, and finally struck a massive blow. So we wiped out Taliturds in AFG, and drove into the middle of the middle east. We set up a flag and DARED the pinhead mooselimbs who wanted to die for pisslam to come and let us test out our weapons on them. It was a brilliant strategy and we slaughtered every jihadist piece of shit we saw. We should still be in the outskirts of Iraqi cities picking them off, but the meat puppet queer was "uncomfortable with victory" against jihad. He used no leverage and followed the withdrawal timeline against the advice of people who know more than he does (which accounts for a lot of people actually).

Leaving Iraq was utter stupidity.

Letting Gaddafi die was utter stupidity.

Allowing the Mooselimb Butthurthood to take over Egypt was utter stupidity.

Giving Iran $150,000,000,000 and a green light to build nukes is a level of stupidity not yet quantified by itself.

The libturd moonbat messiah is a titanic fuck up that scholars at Websters are still working to define and the sniveling bed wetters who refuse to accept that reality are the greatest liability the world has to deal with. No disease, natural disaster or war has the potential for as much destruction to humanity and the earth itself than regressive parasites do.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Bush's Surge: Win. Obama's Surge: Lose"

Thread premise: fail – false comparison fallacy.

Indeed, Bush’s failed, illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will forever be the responsibility of GWB, regardless the current administration, democratic or republican.

To try to ‘blame’ Obama for any aspect, manifestation, or outcome of Bush’s failed, illegal wars is nothing but a lie contrived by a rightwing partisan hack.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Bush's surge was a failure in the sense that it was unnecessary. The Sunni Awakening turned the tide in Iraq, started before the surge, and had nothing to do with the surge.

Bush’s ‘surge’ was a failure given the fact the invasion of Iraq was illegal and unwarranted.

The continued violence and conflict in Iraq and the rise of ISIS are further proof that Bush’s ‘surge’ failed and the invasion a disastrous mistake.

 

[IcebergSlim]

There really is no point in discussing this issue any longer.

Bed wetting libturds generally avoid military service because they don't exist to make sacrifices or efforts to promote anything beyond their own self centered concerns. Few of them have been outside the country, let alone deployed to the middle east and least of all to OIF.

As someone who was in Iraq in 05 and 07 I can say from first hand experience that not only was the surge a success in it's aim to hunt down and kill jihadist psychopaths, but to finally bring stability and order to the country.

The Bush doctrine of "de-ba'athification" was erroneous. It would have been far wiser to leave the Iraqi military intact and use it as it was for security as well as most of the government to continue it's work. Hindsight being what it is, the surge was the way this mistake was fixed as well as it was.

The Iraq war was exactly the right thing to do. Jihadist assholes declared war on us decades ago, and finally struck a massive blow. So we wiped out Taliturds in AFG, and drove into the middle of the middle east. We set up a flag and DARED the pinhead mooselimbs who wanted to die for pisslam to come and let us test out our weapons on them. It was a brilliant strategy and we slaughtered every jihadist piece of shit we saw. We should still be in the outskirts of Iraqi cities picking them off, but the meat puppet queer was "uncomfortable with victory" against jihad. He used no leverage and followed the withdrawal timeline against the advice of people who know more than he does (which accounts for a lot of people actually).

Leaving Iraq was utter stupidity.

Letting Gaddafi die was utter stupidity.

Allowing the Mooselimb Butthurthood to take over Egypt was utter stupidity.

Giving Iran $150,000,000,000 and a green light to build nukes is a level of stupidity not yet quantified by itself.

The libturd moonbat messiah is a titanic fuck up that scholars at Websters are still working to define and the sniveling bed wetters who refuse to accept that reality are the greatest liability the world has to deal with. No disease, natural disaster or war has the potential for as much destruction to humanity and the earth itself than regressive parasites do.

Another illustration of the wisdom of leaving stupid babies out in the wild to be eaten....

Iraqnam was never a center of "jihadism"...invading it under false pretenses was a war crime.

Morsi won a fair and free election in Egypt

Scrub & Co. spent $25 billion, and several years, training and equipping the Legion of the Bronze Cordovan.....it folded like a cheap tent when challenged by less than 800 ISILs arriving in pickups....by declining to commit a sizeable force to Iraqnam, Obama has obliged it's government to take its security seriously, and recent events have demonstrated the wisdom of doing so...

 

[JakeStarkey]

Invading Iraq was indeed a war crime.

 

[The Rabbi]

And when confronted with irrefutable reality libs respond with memes and cartoons.

Everyone possessing a modicum of sense knows that Iraq was a complete failure. If it was not, Obama would never have inherited it. Hell, if it wasn't a failure, Obama would probably have never made it out of the 2008 primaries.

We achieved every goal we set. How is that a failure?
Obama's surge in Afghanistan--the war he called "the good war"--is a complete failure. Petraeus' article lays this out. No one can deny these truths without being accused of gross stupidity and ignorance.

You just boldly assert this shit as you go along.....

Merely saying it isn's so doesnt make it not so. You have to provide, you know, some kind of evidence.

So what you are saying is that I must contradict your Bold Assertions with citations.....in response to which, as we both recognize, you will offer more bold Assertions...

By Its Own Standards, The “Surge” Failed

A 2010 article is a fail as the results werent known until 2012. You'll have to do better than that. I've supporte everything I've said. You've sat there sayng nuh-uh.

 

[The Rabbi]

Democrats wasted no time in labeling Bush's surge in Iraq a failure. But it wasn't. His courageous decision in the face of withering criticism by Congressional Democrats resulted in total victory in Iraq, leaving it a stable democracy, as Obama himself said.
Even though Obama oppsed BUsh's surge he modeled his Afghan surge on it, calling in the Iraqi surge's commander, Petraeus, to lead it.
Obama's surge in Afghanistan failed, costing thousands of lives and leaving Afghanistan a total wreck. Here is Petraeus' article calling for all out war against the Taliban, this years after we were told the Afghan war was over.
Obama-most failed commander in chief ever.
Take the Gloves Off Against the Taliban

. But it wasn't. His courageous decision in the face of withering criticism by Congressional Democrats resulted in total victory in Iraq, leaving it a stable democracy,


Complete crap.....

What?

Scrub pushed Serge, on the advice of Disco Freddie Kagan, to avoid the humiliation of seeing US troops return from the Iraqnam disaster on his watch - anything BUT "courageous"..

He did so contrary to the recommendations of the study group he convened....

So he bucked popular opinion and that wasn't courageous? You're melting down here. This always happen when you confront libs with facts.

What was " courageous " about it? He wasn't up for re-election....."courageous" would have been to pay for the cost of the war in Real Time by raising the taxes necessary....this would have made it an issue in the 04 campaign..

There isn't a single element of the Iraqnam catastrophe that demonstrates courage on the part of the worst POTUS of the modern era.

I guess we'll have o disagree about what courageous means. It certainly doesnt mean acting in a manner to appease your base despite the recommendations of your own advisors. Which is what Obama did.

 

[The Rabbi]

Bush's surge was a failure in the sense that it was unnecessary. The Sunni Awakening turned the tide in Iraq, started before the surge, and had nothing to do with the surge.

Bush’s ‘surge’ was a failure given the fact the invasion of Iraq was illegal and unwarranted.

The continued violence and conflict in Iraq and the rise of ISIS are further proof that Bush’s ‘surge’ failed and the invasion a disastrous mistake.

LOL!!!! We achieved every goal we set in Iraq.
Obama has failed at every goal he set in Afghanistan.
You wankers arent even trying to defend Obama, just bash Bush.

 

[The Rabbi]

There really is no point in discussing this issue any longer.

Bed wetting libturds generally avoid military service because they don't exist to make sacrifices or efforts to promote anything beyond their own self centered concerns. Few of them have been outside the country, let alone deployed to the middle east and least of all to OIF.

As someone who was in Iraq in 05 and 07 I can say from first hand experience that not only was the surge a success in it's aim to hunt down and kill jihadist psychopaths, but to finally bring stability and order to the country.

The Bush doctrine of "de-ba'athification" was erroneous. It would have been far wiser to leave the Iraqi military intact and use it as it was for security as well as most of the government to continue it's work. Hindsight being what it is, the surge was the way this mistake was fixed as well as it was.

The Iraq war was exactly the right thing to do. Jihadist assholes declared war on us decades ago, and finally struck a massive blow. So we wiped out Taliturds in AFG, and drove into the middle of the middle east. We set up a flag and DARED the pinhead mooselimbs who wanted to die for pisslam to come and let us test out our weapons on them. It was a brilliant strategy and we slaughtered every jihadist piece of shit we saw. We should still be in the outskirts of Iraqi cities picking them off, but the meat puppet queer was "uncomfortable with victory" against jihad. He used no leverage and followed the withdrawal timeline against the advice of people who know more than he does (which accounts for a lot of people actually).

Leaving Iraq was utter stupidity.

Letting Gaddafi die was utter stupidity.

Allowing the Mooselimb Butthurthood to take over Egypt was utter stupidity.

Giving Iran $150,000,000,000 and a green light to build nukes is a level of stupidity not yet quantified by itself.

The libturd moonbat messiah is a titanic fuck up that scholars at Websters are still working to define and the sniveling bed wetters who refuse to accept that reality are the greatest liability the world has to deal with. No disease, natural disaster or war has the potential for as much destruction to humanity and the earth itself than regressive parasites do.

Another illustration of the wisdom of leaving stupid babies out in the wild to be eaten....

Iraqnam was never a center of "jihadism"...invading it under false pretenses was a war crime.

Morsi won a fair and free election in Egypt

Scrub & Co. spent $25 billion, and several years, training and equipping the Legion of the Bronze Cordovan.....it folded like a cheap tent when challenged by less than 800 ISILs arriving in pickups....by declining to commit a sizeable force to Iraqnam, Obama has obliged it's government to take its security seriously, and recent events have demonstrated the wisdom of doing so...

Obama has yet to announce a comprehensive strategy on ISIS, despite having known about them for nearlyu 3 years.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Bush's surge was a failure in the sense that it was unnecessary. The Sunni Awakening turned the tide in Iraq, started before the surge, and had nothing to do with the surge.

Bush’s ‘surge’ was a failure given the fact the invasion of Iraq was illegal and unwarranted.

The continued violence and conflict in Iraq and the rise of ISIS are further proof that Bush’s ‘surge’ failed and the invasion a disastrous mistake.

LOL!!!! We achieved every goal we set in Iraq.
Obama has failed at every goal he set in Afghanistan.
You wankers arent even trying to defend Obama, just bash Bush.

The goal was to find WMD's.

 

[NYcarbineer]

There really is no point in discussing this issue any longer.

Bed wetting libturds generally avoid military service because they don't exist to make sacrifices or efforts to promote anything beyond their own self centered concerns. Few of them have been outside the country, let alone deployed to the middle east and least of all to OIF.

As someone who was in Iraq in 05 and 07 I can say from first hand experience that not only was the surge a success in it's aim to hunt down and kill jihadist psychopaths, but to finally bring stability and order to the country.

The Bush doctrine of "de-ba'athification" was erroneous. It would have been far wiser to leave the Iraqi military intact and use it as it was for security as well as most of the government to continue it's work. Hindsight being what it is, the surge was the way this mistake was fixed as well as it was.

The Iraq war was exactly the right thing to do. Jihadist assholes declared war on us decades ago, and finally struck a massive blow. So we wiped out Taliturds in AFG, and drove into the middle of the middle east. We set up a flag and DARED the pinhead mooselimbs who wanted to die for pisslam to come and let us test out our weapons on them. It was a brilliant strategy and we slaughtered every jihadist piece of shit we saw. We should still be in the outskirts of Iraqi cities picking them off, but the meat puppet queer was "uncomfortable with victory" against jihad. He used no leverage and followed the withdrawal timeline against the advice of people who know more than he does (which accounts for a lot of people actually).

Leaving Iraq was utter stupidity.

Letting Gaddafi die was utter stupidity.

Allowing the Mooselimb Butthurthood to take over Egypt was utter stupidity.

Giving Iran $150,000,000,000 and a green light to build nukes is a level of stupidity not yet quantified by itself.

The libturd moonbat messiah is a titanic fuck up that scholars at Websters are still working to define and the sniveling bed wetters who refuse to accept that reality are the greatest liability the world has to deal with. No disease, natural disaster or war has the potential for as much destruction to humanity and the earth itself than regressive parasites do.

Another illustration of the wisdom of leaving stupid babies out in the wild to be eaten....

Iraqnam was never a center of "jihadism"...invading it under false pretenses was a war crime.

Morsi won a fair and free election in Egypt

Scrub & Co. spent $25 billion, and several years, training and equipping the Legion of the Bronze Cordovan.....it folded like a cheap tent when challenged by less than 800 ISILs arriving in pickups....by declining to commit a sizeable force to Iraqnam, Obama has obliged it's government to take its security seriously, and recent events have demonstrated the wisdom of doing so...

Obama has yet to announce a comprehensive strategy on ISIS, despite having known about them for nearlyu 3 years.

ISIS has been stopped in its tracks, rolled back, and the US has lost a grand total of 3 American combat troops in the process.
Or is it 2?

 

[rightwinger]

Neither surge would have been necessary if Bush did not ovverreact to 9-11

 

[The Rabbi]

Neither surge would have been necessary if Bush did not ovverreact to 9-11

There would have been no 9/11 if Bubba hadn't fucked up.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Democrats wasted no time in labeling Bush's surge in Iraq a failure. But it wasn't. His courageous decision in the face of withering criticism by Congressional Democrats resulted in total victory in Iraq, leaving it a stable democracy, as Obama himself said.
Even though Obama oppsed BUsh's surge he modeled his Afghan surge on it, calling in the Iraqi surge's commander, Petraeus, to lead it.
Obama's surge in Afghanistan failed, costing thousands of lives and leaving Afghanistan a total wreck. Here is Petraeus' article calling for all out war against the Taliban, this years after we were told the Afghan war was over.
Obama-most failed commander in chief ever.
Take the Gloves Off Against the Taliban

The thread premise is yet another example of the reprehensible right, and that most conservatives are indeed scum.

That the invasion of Iraq was a dreadful mistake on the part of GWB is a settled, accepted fact beyond dispute.

And the president has made a good faith effort to clean up Bush’s mess in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Indeed, this thread illustrates the idiocy of the conservative meme that Obama is ‘always wrong’; had the president ended American military involvement in the ME and brought all Americans home, the right would have attacked Obama for ‘cutting and running.’

Instead the president has done exactly what McCain or Romney would have done, and the blind partisan right attacks Obama for having taken the same action as any republican president.

Such is the ridiculous, reprehensible right.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Bush's surge was a failure in the sense that it was unnecessary. The Sunni Awakening turned the tide in Iraq, started before the surge, and had nothing to do with the surge.

Bush’s ‘surge’ was a failure given the fact the invasion of Iraq was illegal and unwarranted.

The continued violence and conflict in Iraq and the rise of ISIS are further proof that Bush’s ‘surge’ failed and the invasion a disastrous mistake.

LOL!!!! We achieved every goal we set in Iraq.
Obama has failed at every goal he set in Afghanistan.
You wankers arent even trying to defend Obama, just bash Bush.

The goal was to find WMD's.

The ‘goal’ was to win reelection in 2004.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Bush was a failure, could not get a SOFA.

Obama should have NEVER reconsidered putting in troops.