Bush's Surge: Win. Obama's Surge: Lose

[IcebergSlim]

Everyone possessing a modicum of sense knows that Iraq was a complete failure. If it was not, Obama would never have inherited it. Hell, if it wasn't a failure, Obama would probably have never made it out of the 2008 primaries.

We achieved every goal we set. How is that a failure?
Obama's surge in Afghanistan--the war he called "the good war"--is a complete failure. Petraeus' article lays this out. No one can deny these truths without being accused of gross stupidity and ignorance.

You just boldly assert this shit as you go along.....

Merely saying it isn's so doesnt make it not so. You have to provide, you know, some kind of evidence.

So what you are saying is that I must contradict your Bold Assertions with citations.....in response to which, as we both recognize, you will offer more bold Assertions...

By Its Own Standards, The “Surge” Failed

A 2010 article is a fail as the results werent known until 2012. You'll have to do better than that. I've supporte everything I've said. You've sat there sayng nuh-uh.

So you are Boldly Asserting that the evidence you demanded is for some convoluted reason a "fail", then you Boldly Re-Assert that you were right?

You're breaking new ground in rhetoric there, Rebbe.......who could have seen THAT coming, eh.....

Wait.....someone DID see it coming!

Me...
So what you are saying is that I must contradict your Bold Assertions with citations.....in response to which, as we both recognize, you will offer more bold Assertions...

 

[IcebergSlim]

. But it wasn't. His courageous decision in the face of withering criticism by Congressional Democrats resulted in total victory in Iraq, leaving it a stable democracy,


Complete crap.....

What?

Scrub pushed Serge, on the advice of Disco Freddie Kagan, to avoid the humiliation of seeing US troops return from the Iraqnam disaster on his watch - anything BUT "courageous"..

He did so contrary to the recommendations of the study group he convened....

So he bucked popular opinion and that wasn't courageous? You're melting down here. This always happen when you confront libs with facts.

What was " courageous " about it? He wasn't up for re-election....."courageous" would have been to pay for the cost of the war in Real Time by raising the taxes necessary....this would have made it an issue in the 04 campaign..

There isn't a single element of the Iraqnam catastrophe that demonstrates courage on the part of the worst POTUS of the modern era.

I guess we'll have o disagree about what courageous means. It certainly doesnt mean acting in a manner to appease your base despite the recommendations of your own advisors. Which is what Obama did.

acting in a manner to appease your base despite the recommendations of your own advisors

You mean like Scrub ignoring the recommendations of the Iraqnam Study Group?

 

[JakeStarkey]

General Shinseki told Bush and Rumsfeld that there was no way to do the war on the cheap.

He got fired.

 

[IcebergSlim]

Neither surge would have been necessary if Bush did not ovverreact to 9-11

There would have been no 9/11 if Bubba hadn't fucked up.

Rebbe,

You're an embarrassment to the Tribe...

Bremer speech accused Bush of ignoring terrorism



WASHINGTON (AP) — Paul Bremer, the U.S. administrator in Iraq, said in a speech six months before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the United States that President George W. Bush's administration was ``paying no attention" to terrorism.

"What they will do is stagger along until there's a major incident and then suddenly say: `Oh my God, shouldn't we be organized to deal with this,"' Bremer said at a McCormick Tribune Foundation conference on terrorism Feb. 26, 2001.


.......
Robert Bigger Oakley (March 12, 1931 – December 10, 2014) was an American diplomat whose 34-year career (1957–1991) as a Foreign Service Officer included appointments as United States Ambassador to Zaire, Somalia, and Pakistan and, in the early 1990s, as a special envoy during the American involvement in Somalia.[1]

In September 1984, he was appointed Director of the State Department Office of Combating Terrorism. He again joined the National Security Council Staff on January 1, 1987, as Assistant to the President for Middle East and South Asia
.
In 2000, prior to the September 11 attacks, Paul Bremer characterized the Clinton administration as "correctly focused on bin Laden", while Oakley criticized their "obsession with Osama".

Robert B. Oakley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[IcebergSlim]

General Shinseki told Bush and Rumsfeld that there was no way to do the war on the cheap.

He got fired.

Larry Lindsey has enjoyed a distinguished career flacking for Supply Side Hucksters...he went on TV to claim that the Scrub junta had grossly underestimated the cost of invading Iraqnam (at 60 billion) and that the real figure was close to 300 billion (it is estimated to come in at 3 trillion)......for his temerity, he was shitcanned....

 

[IcebergSlim]

There really is no point in discussing this issue any longer.

Bed wetting libturds generally avoid military service because they don't exist to make sacrifices or efforts to promote anything beyond their own self centered concerns. Few of them have been outside the country, let alone deployed to the middle east and least of all to OIF.

As someone who was in Iraq in 05 and 07 I can say from first hand experience that not only was the surge a success in it's aim to hunt down and kill jihadist psychopaths, but to finally bring stability and order to the country.

The Bush doctrine of "de-ba'athification" was erroneous. It would have been far wiser to leave the Iraqi military intact and use it as it was for security as well as most of the government to continue it's work. Hindsight being what it is, the surge was the way this mistake was fixed as well as it was.

The Iraq war was exactly the right thing to do. Jihadist assholes declared war on us decades ago, and finally struck a massive blow. So we wiped out Taliturds in AFG, and drove into the middle of the middle east. We set up a flag and DARED the pinhead mooselimbs who wanted to die for pisslam to come and let us test out our weapons on them. It was a brilliant strategy and we slaughtered every jihadist piece of shit we saw. We should still be in the outskirts of Iraqi cities picking them off, but the meat puppet queer was "uncomfortable with victory" against jihad. He used no leverage and followed the withdrawal timeline against the advice of people who know more than he does (which accounts for a lot of people actually).

Leaving Iraq was utter stupidity.

Letting Gaddafi die was utter stupidity.

Allowing the Mooselimb Butthurthood to take over Egypt was utter stupidity.

Giving Iran $150,000,000,000 and a green light to build nukes is a level of stupidity not yet quantified by itself.

The libturd moonbat messiah is a titanic fuck up that scholars at Websters are still working to define and the sniveling bed wetters who refuse to accept that reality are the greatest liability the world has to deal with. No disease, natural disaster or war has the potential for as much destruction to humanity and the earth itself than regressive parasites do.

Another illustration of the wisdom of leaving stupid babies out in the wild to be eaten....

Iraqnam was never a center of "jihadism"...invading it under false pretenses was a war crime.

Morsi won a fair and free election in Egypt

Scrub & Co. spent $25 billion, and several years, training and equipping the Legion of the Bronze Cordovan.....it folded like a cheap tent when challenged by less than 800 ISILs arriving in pickups....by declining to commit a sizeable force to Iraqnam, Obama has obliged it's government to take its security seriously, and recent events have demonstrated the wisdom of doing so...

Obama has yet to announce a comprehensive strategy on ISIS, despite having known about them for nearlyu 3 years.

ISIS has been stopped in its tracks, rolled back, and the US has lost a grand total of 3 American combat troops in the process.
Or is it 2?

You must adjust those numbers for Fuliginy, LibBot!

 

[IcebergSlim]

There really is no point in discussing this issue any longer.

Bed wetting libturds generally avoid military service because they don't exist to make sacrifices or efforts to promote anything beyond their own self centered concerns. Few of them have been outside the country, let alone deployed to the middle east and least of all to OIF.

As someone who was in Iraq in 05 and 07 I can say from first hand experience that not only was the surge a success in it's aim to hunt down and kill jihadist psychopaths, but to finally bring stability and order to the country.

The Bush doctrine of "de-ba'athification" was erroneous. It would have been far wiser to leave the Iraqi military intact and use it as it was for security as well as most of the government to continue it's work. Hindsight being what it is, the surge was the way this mistake was fixed as well as it was.

The Iraq war was exactly the right thing to do. Jihadist assholes declared war on us decades ago, and finally struck a massive blow. So we wiped out Taliturds in AFG, and drove into the middle of the middle east. We set up a flag and DARED the pinhead mooselimbs who wanted to die for pisslam to come and let us test out our weapons on them. It was a brilliant strategy and we slaughtered every jihadist piece of shit we saw. We should still be in the outskirts of Iraqi cities picking them off, but the meat puppet queer was "uncomfortable with victory" against jihad. He used no leverage and followed the withdrawal timeline against the advice of people who know more than he does (which accounts for a lot of people actually).

Leaving Iraq was utter stupidity.

Letting Gaddafi die was utter stupidity.

Allowing the Mooselimb Butthurthood to take over Egypt was utter stupidity.

Giving Iran $150,000,000,000 and a green light to build nukes is a level of stupidity not yet quantified by itself.

The libturd moonbat messiah is a titanic fuck up that scholars at Websters are still working to define and the sniveling bed wetters who refuse to accept that reality are the greatest liability the world has to deal with. No disease, natural disaster or war has the potential for as much destruction to humanity and the earth itself than regressive parasites do.

Another illustration of the wisdom of leaving stupid babies out in the wild to be eaten....

Iraqnam was never a center of "jihadism"...invading it under false pretenses was a war crime.

Morsi won a fair and free election in Egypt

Scrub & Co. spent $25 billion, and several years, training and equipping the Legion of the Bronze Cordovan.....it folded like a cheap tent when challenged by less than 800 ISILs arriving in pickups....by declining to commit a sizeable force to Iraqnam, Obama has obliged it's government to take its security seriously, and recent events have demonstrated the wisdom of doing so...

Obama has yet to announce a comprehensive strategy on ISIS, despite having known about them for nearlyu 3 years.

Meanwhile, ISIS leadership is being decimated, and their finances destroyed....

On the other hand, Scrub announced that he wanted Usama "Dead or Alive"........9 months later he wasn't "that concerned"....

 

[The Rabbi]

Democrats wasted no time in labeling Bush's surge in Iraq a failure. But it wasn't. His courageous decision in the face of withering criticism by Congressional Democrats resulted in total victory in Iraq, leaving it a stable democracy, as Obama himself said.
Even though Obama oppsed BUsh's surge he modeled his Afghan surge on it, calling in the Iraqi surge's commander, Petraeus, to lead it.
Obama's surge in Afghanistan failed, costing thousands of lives and leaving Afghanistan a total wreck. Here is Petraeus' article calling for all out war against the Taliban, this years after we were told the Afghan war was over.
Obama-most failed commander in chief ever.
Take the Gloves Off Against the Taliban

The thread premise is yet another example of the reprehensible right, and that most conservatives are indeed scum.

That the invasion of Iraq was a dreadful mistake on the part of GWB is a settled, accepted fact beyond dispute.

And the president has made a good faith effort to clean up Bush’s mess in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Indeed, this thread illustrates the idiocy of the conservative meme that Obama is ‘always wrong’; had the president ended American military involvement in the ME and brought all Americans home, the right would have attacked Obama for ‘cutting and running.’

Instead the president has done exactly what McCain or Romney would have done, and the blind partisan right attacks Obama for having taken the same action as any republican president.

Such is the ridiculous, reprehensible right.

Bullshit.
Obama did in fact cut and run in Iraq. That is exactly what he did. And the results are not only predictable but were predicted at the time by his own staff. None of this is remotely subject to debate.
But libs just cannot admit the facts. So they must deflect to "Bush was mistaken" blahblahblah. Bush did not invade Iraq on his own. Congress, includgn Dems like Hillary Clinton, who had the same access to intelligence as Bush, voted for he Iraq War because it was popular at the time. When it became unpopular they turned against it. One point for Obama: He was consistent in his opposition.
But Obama inherited a situation, just like all presidents inherit situations. He was hired to fix the situation and instead through disasterous mistakes in policies he has screwed them up worse. His surge in Afghanistan, the war he called the good war, was a disasterous mistake.

 

[The Rabbi]

We achieved every goal we set. How is that a failure?
Obama's surge in Afghanistan--the war he called "the good war"--is a complete failure. Petraeus' article lays this out. No one can deny these truths without being accused of gross stupidity and ignorance.

You just boldly assert this shit as you go along.....

Merely saying it isn's so doesnt make it not so. You have to provide, you know, some kind of evidence.

So what you are saying is that I must contradict your Bold Assertions with citations.....in response to which, as we both recognize, you will offer more bold Assertions...

By Its Own Standards, The “Surge” Failed

A 2010 article is a fail as the results werent known until 2012. You'll have to do better than that. I've supporte everything I've said. You've sat there sayng nuh-uh.

So you are Boldly Asserting that the evidence you demanded is for some convoluted reason a "fail", then you Boldly Re-Assert that you were right?

You're breaking new ground in rhetoric there, Rebbe.......who could have seen THAT coming, eh.....

Wait.....someone DID see it coming!

Me...
So what you are saying is that I must contradict your Bold Assertions with citations.....in response to which, as we both recognize, you will offer more bold Assertions...

I am calmly calling bullshit on your article, which was written before the full outcome of the Iraq War was known.
You are losing this debate badly so deflecting to insults.

 

[The Rabbi]

What?

Scrub pushed Serge, on the advice of Disco Freddie Kagan, to avoid the humiliation of seeing US troops return from the Iraqnam disaster on his watch - anything BUT "courageous"..

He did so contrary to the recommendations of the study group he convened....

So he bucked popular opinion and that wasn't courageous? You're melting down here. This always happen when you confront libs with facts.

What was " courageous " about it? He wasn't up for re-election....."courageous" would have been to pay for the cost of the war in Real Time by raising the taxes necessary....this would have made it an issue in the 04 campaign..

There isn't a single element of the Iraqnam catastrophe that demonstrates courage on the part of the worst POTUS of the modern era.

I guess we'll have o disagree about what courageous means. It certainly doesnt mean acting in a manner to appease your base despite the recommendations of your own advisors. Which is what Obama did.

acting in a manner to appease your base despite the recommendations of your own advisors

You mean like Scrub ignoring the recommendations of the Iraqnam Study Group?

What base was pushing BUsh to continue the surge, fuckward?

 

[The Rabbi]

There really is no point in discussing this issue any longer.

Bed wetting libturds generally avoid military service because they don't exist to make sacrifices or efforts to promote anything beyond their own self centered concerns. Few of them have been outside the country, let alone deployed to the middle east and least of all to OIF.

As someone who was in Iraq in 05 and 07 I can say from first hand experience that not only was the surge a success in it's aim to hunt down and kill jihadist psychopaths, but to finally bring stability and order to the country.

The Bush doctrine of "de-ba'athification" was erroneous. It would have been far wiser to leave the Iraqi military intact and use it as it was for security as well as most of the government to continue it's work. Hindsight being what it is, the surge was the way this mistake was fixed as well as it was.

The Iraq war was exactly the right thing to do. Jihadist assholes declared war on us decades ago, and finally struck a massive blow. So we wiped out Taliturds in AFG, and drove into the middle of the middle east. We set up a flag and DARED the pinhead mooselimbs who wanted to die for pisslam to come and let us test out our weapons on them. It was a brilliant strategy and we slaughtered every jihadist piece of shit we saw. We should still be in the outskirts of Iraqi cities picking them off, but the meat puppet queer was "uncomfortable with victory" against jihad. He used no leverage and followed the withdrawal timeline against the advice of people who know more than he does (which accounts for a lot of people actually).

Leaving Iraq was utter stupidity.

Letting Gaddafi die was utter stupidity.

Allowing the Mooselimb Butthurthood to take over Egypt was utter stupidity.

Giving Iran $150,000,000,000 and a green light to build nukes is a level of stupidity not yet quantified by itself.

The libturd moonbat messiah is a titanic fuck up that scholars at Websters are still working to define and the sniveling bed wetters who refuse to accept that reality are the greatest liability the world has to deal with. No disease, natural disaster or war has the potential for as much destruction to humanity and the earth itself than regressive parasites do.

Another illustration of the wisdom of leaving stupid babies out in the wild to be eaten....

Iraqnam was never a center of "jihadism"...invading it under false pretenses was a war crime.

Morsi won a fair and free election in Egypt

Scrub & Co. spent $25 billion, and several years, training and equipping the Legion of the Bronze Cordovan.....it folded like a cheap tent when challenged by less than 800 ISILs arriving in pickups....by declining to commit a sizeable force to Iraqnam, Obama has obliged it's government to take its security seriously, and recent events have demonstrated the wisdom of doing so...

Obama has yet to announce a comprehensive strategy on ISIS, despite having known about them for nearlyu 3 years.

Meanwhile, ISIS leadership is being decimated, and their finances destroyed....

On the other hand, Scrub announced that he wanted Usama "Dead or Alive"........9 months later he wasn't "that concerned"....

LOL!! We have heard this shit for 2 years. It isn't true. ISIS is decimating Baghdad and security forces there fired on their own people, who were protesting for more protection.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rab, you can whine all you want. Bush fucked it all up, and it is his fuck up, no one else's. Obama's mistake is that he could have walked away from both wars, and . . .

 

[NYcarbineer]

Democrats wasted no time in labeling Bush's surge in Iraq a failure. But it wasn't. His courageous decision in the face of withering criticism by Congressional Democrats resulted in total victory in Iraq, leaving it a stable democracy, as Obama himself said.
Even though Obama oppsed BUsh's surge he modeled his Afghan surge on it, calling in the Iraqi surge's commander, Petraeus, to lead it.
Obama's surge in Afghanistan failed, costing thousands of lives and leaving Afghanistan a total wreck. Here is Petraeus' article calling for all out war against the Taliban, this years after we were told the Afghan war was over.
Obama-most failed commander in chief ever.
Take the Gloves Off Against the Taliban

The thread premise is yet another example of the reprehensible right, and that most conservatives are indeed scum.

That the invasion of Iraq was a dreadful mistake on the part of GWB is a settled, accepted fact beyond dispute.

And the president has made a good faith effort to clean up Bush’s mess in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Indeed, this thread illustrates the idiocy of the conservative meme that Obama is ‘always wrong’; had the president ended American military involvement in the ME and brought all Americans home, the right would have attacked Obama for ‘cutting and running.’

Instead the president has done exactly what McCain or Romney would have done, and the blind partisan right attacks Obama for having taken the same action as any republican president.

Such is the ridiculous, reprehensible right.

Bullshit.
Obama did in fact cut and run in Iraq. That is exactly what he did. And the results are not only predictable but were predicted at the time by his own staff. None of this is remotely subject to debate.
But libs just cannot admit the facts. So they must deflect to "Bush was mistaken" blahblahblah. Bush did not invade Iraq on his own. Congress, includgn Dems like Hillary Clinton, who had the same access to intelligence as Bush, voted for he Iraq War because it was popular at the time. When it became unpopular they turned against it. One point for Obama: He was consistent in his opposition.
But Obama inherited a situation, just like all presidents inherit situations. He was hired to fix the situation and instead through disasterous mistakes in policies he has screwed them up worse. His surge in Afghanistan, the war he called the good war, was a disasterous mistake.

You lie.

Obama's only other option in Iraq would have been a forced occupation, unsupported by the Iraqi government, the Iraqi people, or the American people.

If Obama had unilaterally imposed a continued occupation of Iraq, the GOP would have made it THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE in the 2012 election.

 

[NYcarbineer]

There really is no point in discussing this issue any longer.

Bed wetting libturds generally avoid military service because they don't exist to make sacrifices or efforts to promote anything beyond their own self centered concerns. Few of them have been outside the country, let alone deployed to the middle east and least of all to OIF.

As someone who was in Iraq in 05 and 07 I can say from first hand experience that not only was the surge a success in it's aim to hunt down and kill jihadist psychopaths, but to finally bring stability and order to the country.

The Bush doctrine of "de-ba'athification" was erroneous. It would have been far wiser to leave the Iraqi military intact and use it as it was for security as well as most of the government to continue it's work. Hindsight being what it is, the surge was the way this mistake was fixed as well as it was.

The Iraq war was exactly the right thing to do. Jihadist assholes declared war on us decades ago, and finally struck a massive blow. So we wiped out Taliturds in AFG, and drove into the middle of the middle east. We set up a flag and DARED the pinhead mooselimbs who wanted to die for pisslam to come and let us test out our weapons on them. It was a brilliant strategy and we slaughtered every jihadist piece of shit we saw. We should still be in the outskirts of Iraqi cities picking them off, but the meat puppet queer was "uncomfortable with victory" against jihad. He used no leverage and followed the withdrawal timeline against the advice of people who know more than he does (which accounts for a lot of people actually).

Leaving Iraq was utter stupidity.

Letting Gaddafi die was utter stupidity.

Allowing the Mooselimb Butthurthood to take over Egypt was utter stupidity.

Giving Iran $150,000,000,000 and a green light to build nukes is a level of stupidity not yet quantified by itself.

The libturd moonbat messiah is a titanic fuck up that scholars at Websters are still working to define and the sniveling bed wetters who refuse to accept that reality are the greatest liability the world has to deal with. No disease, natural disaster or war has the potential for as much destruction to humanity and the earth itself than regressive parasites do.

Another illustration of the wisdom of leaving stupid babies out in the wild to be eaten....

Iraqnam was never a center of "jihadism"...invading it under false pretenses was a war crime.

Morsi won a fair and free election in Egypt

Scrub & Co. spent $25 billion, and several years, training and equipping the Legion of the Bronze Cordovan.....it folded like a cheap tent when challenged by less than 800 ISILs arriving in pickups....by declining to commit a sizeable force to Iraqnam, Obama has obliged it's government to take its security seriously, and recent events have demonstrated the wisdom of doing so...

Obama has yet to announce a comprehensive strategy on ISIS, despite having known about them for nearlyu 3 years.

Meanwhile, ISIS leadership is being decimated, and their finances destroyed....

On the other hand, Scrub announced that he wanted Usama "Dead or Alive"........9 months later he wasn't "that concerned"....

LOL!! We have heard this shit for 2 years. It isn't true. ISIS is decimating Baghdad and security forces there fired on their own people, who were protesting for more protection.

You lie. ISIS has been territorially contained and rolled back.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Scrub pushed Serge, on the advice of Disco Freddie Kagan, to avoid the humiliation of seeing US troops return from the Iraqnam disaster on his watch - anything BUT "courageous"..

He did so contrary to the recommendations of the study group he convened....

So he bucked popular opinion and that wasn't courageous? You're melting down here. This always happen when you confront libs with facts.

What was " courageous " about it? He wasn't up for re-election....."courageous" would have been to pay for the cost of the war in Real Time by raising the taxes necessary....this would have made it an issue in the 04 campaign..

There isn't a single element of the Iraqnam catastrophe that demonstrates courage on the part of the worst POTUS of the modern era.

I guess we'll have o disagree about what courageous means. It certainly doesnt mean acting in a manner to appease your base despite the recommendations of your own advisors. Which is what Obama did.

acting in a manner to appease your base despite the recommendations of your own advisors

You mean like Scrub ignoring the recommendations of the Iraqnam Study Group?

What base was pushing BUsh to continue the surge, fuckward?

Even General Petraeus said that the surge was not the cause of the turnaround in Iraq.

Now, proceed to throw him under the bus...

 

[NYcarbineer]

Neither surge would have been necessary if Bush did not ovverreact to 9-11

There would have been no 9/11 if Bubba hadn't fucked up.

You're an idiot. 9/11 was caused by Bush Sr.

 

[Jroc]

There really is no point in discussing this issue any longer.

Bed wetting libturds generally avoid military service because they don't exist to make sacrifices or efforts to promote anything beyond their own self centered concerns. Few of them have been outside the country, let alone deployed to the middle east and least of all to OIF.

As someone who was in Iraq in 05 and 07 I can say from first hand experience that not only was the surge a success in it's aim to hunt down and kill jihadist psychopaths, but to finally bring stability and order to the country.

The Bush doctrine of "de-ba'athification" was erroneous. It would have been far wiser to leave the Iraqi military intact and use it as it was for security as well as most of the government to continue it's work. Hindsight being what it is, the surge was the way this mistake was fixed as well as it was.

The Iraq war was exactly the right thing to do. Jihadist assholes declared war on us decades ago, and finally struck a massive blow. So we wiped out Taliturds in AFG, and drove into the middle of the middle east. We set up a flag and DARED the pinhead mooselimbs who wanted to die for pisslam to come and let us test out our weapons on them. It was a brilliant strategy and we slaughtered every jihadist piece of shit we saw. We should still be in the outskirts of Iraqi cities picking them off, but the meat puppet queer was "uncomfortable with victory" against jihad. He used no leverage and followed the withdrawal timeline against the advice of people who know more than he does (which accounts for a lot of people actually).

Leaving Iraq was utter stupidity.

Letting Gaddafi die was utter stupidity.

Allowing the Mooselimb Butthurthood to take over Egypt was utter stupidity.

Giving Iran $150,000,000,000 and a green light to build nukes is a level of stupidity not yet quantified by itself.

The libturd moonbat messiah is a titanic fuck up that scholars at Websters are still working to define and the sniveling bed wetters who refuse to accept that reality are the greatest liability the world has to deal with. No disease, natural disaster or war has the potential for as much destruction to humanity and the earth itself than regressive parasites do.

Another illustration of the wisdom of leaving stupid babies out in the wild to be eaten....

Iraqnam was never a center of "jihadism"...invading it under false pretenses was a war crime.

Morsi won a fair and free election in Egypt

Scrub & Co. spent $25 billion, and several years, training and equipping the Legion of the Bronze Cordovan.....it folded like a cheap tent when challenged by less than 800 ISILs arriving in pickups....by declining to commit a sizeable force to Iraqnam, Obama has obliged it's government to take its security seriously, and recent events have demonstrated the wisdom of doing so...

Obama has yet to announce a comprehensive strategy on ISIS, despite having known about them for nearlyu 3 years.

Meanwhile, ISIS leadership is being decimated, and their finances destroyed....

On the other hand, Scrub announced that he wanted Usama "Dead or Alive"........9 months later he wasn't "that concerned"....

LOL!! We have heard this shit for 2 years. It isn't true. ISIS is decimating Baghdad and security forces there fired on their own people, who were protesting for more protection.

You lie. ISIS has been territorially contained and rolled back.

We could have easily destroyed isis early on. Obama ignored them, called them the JV team,, didn't read his intelligence reports, he's incompetent and a pathetic embarrassment.

 

[IcebergSlim]

You just boldly assert this shit as you go along.....

Merely saying it isn's so doesnt make it not so. You have to provide, you know, some kind of evidence.

So what you are saying is that I must contradict your Bold Assertions with citations.....in response to which, as we both recognize, you will offer more bold Assertions...

By Its Own Standards, The “Surge” Failed

A 2010 article is a fail as the results werent known until 2012. You'll have to do better than that. I've supporte everything I've said. You've sat there sayng nuh-uh.

So you are Boldly Asserting that the evidence you demanded is for some convoluted reason a "fail", then you Boldly Re-Assert that you were right?

You're breaking new ground in rhetoric there, Rebbe.......who could have seen THAT coming, eh.....

Wait.....someone DID see it coming!

Me...
So what you are saying is that I must contradict your Bold Assertions with citations.....in response to which, as we both recognize, you will offer more bold Assertions...

I am calmly calling bullshit on your article, which was written before the full outcome of the Iraq War was known.
You are losing this debate badly so deflecting to insults.

So you assert......can you offer a specific date on which "the full outcome was known"?

 

[IcebergSlim]

Scrub pushed Serge, on the advice of Disco Freddie Kagan, to avoid the humiliation of seeing US troops return from the Iraqnam disaster on his watch - anything BUT "courageous"..

He did so contrary to the recommendations of the study group he convened....

So he bucked popular opinion and that wasn't courageous? You're melting down here. This always happen when you confront libs with facts.

What was " courageous " about it? He wasn't up for re-election....."courageous" would have been to pay for the cost of the war in Real Time by raising the taxes necessary....this would have made it an issue in the 04 campaign..

There isn't a single element of the Iraqnam catastrophe that demonstrates courage on the part of the worst POTUS of the modern era.

I guess we'll have o disagree about what courageous means. It certainly doesnt mean acting in a manner to appease your base despite the recommendations of your own advisors. Which is what Obama did.

acting in a manner to appease your base despite the recommendations of your own advisors

You mean like Scrub ignoring the recommendations of the Iraqnam Study Group?

What base was pushing BUsh to continue the surge, fuckward?

You are losing this debate badly so deflecting to insults.

Rebbe,

That took one minute....

Is your family talking about institutionalizing you?

 

[IcebergSlim]

Another illustration of the wisdom of leaving stupid babies out in the wild to be eaten....

Iraqnam was never a center of "jihadism"...invading it under false pretenses was a war crime.

Morsi won a fair and free election in Egypt

Scrub & Co. spent $25 billion, and several years, training and equipping the Legion of the Bronze Cordovan.....it folded like a cheap tent when challenged by less than 800 ISILs arriving in pickups....by declining to commit a sizeable force to Iraqnam, Obama has obliged it's government to take its security seriously, and recent events have demonstrated the wisdom of doing so...

Obama has yet to announce a comprehensive strategy on ISIS, despite having known about them for nearlyu 3 years.

Meanwhile, ISIS leadership is being decimated, and their finances destroyed....

On the other hand, Scrub announced that he wanted Usama "Dead or Alive"........9 months later he wasn't "that concerned"....

LOL!! We have heard this shit for 2 years. It isn't true. ISIS is decimating Baghdad and security forces there fired on their own people, who were protesting for more protection.

You lie. ISIS has been territorially contained and rolled back.

We could have easily destroyed isis early on. Obama ignored them, called them the JV team,, didn't read his intelligence reports, he's incompetent and a pathetic embarrassment.

Sure, J....

ISIS is AQI rebranded.....if destroying them is so easy, why couldn't Scrub get that job done with 175,000 troops in theater?