The Afghanistan Debacle Looks Worse and Worse

The Afghanistan Debacle Looks Worse and Worse

8 Feb 2022 ~~ By David Harsanyi

The more we learn about the administration’s Afghanistan withdrawal, the more it becomes clear that its decisions were driven by political considerations and panic.
As the Biden administration’s chaotic and inept withdrawal from Afghanistan was unfolding in August 2021, a suicide bomber murdered 13 American servicemembers, and at least 170 Afghans, at the Abbey Gate outside Kabul’s Hamid Karzai International Airport. It was one of the deadliest attacks on our troops in our 20 years in that nation.
~Snip~
The more we learn about the administration’s Afghanistan withdrawal, the more it becomes clear that its decisions were driven by political considerations and panic. Here, for example, is a snippet from ProPublica’s recent investigation into the Kabul suicide bombing:
Days before the final withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan, thousands of desperate Americans and Afghan allies seeking to flee the country were using unguarded routes across open fields and through narrow alleys to reach one of the few gates providing access to the Kabul airfield.​
Despite intelligence warning of terrorist attacks, U.S. military commanders encouraged use of the routes. Some U.S. officials even provided maps to evacuees trying to bypass Taliban fighters stationed at a checkpoint outside the airport.​
The fact that the murderer of 13 Americans “likely” gained access to troops via a path that U.S. officials were encouraging people to use seems quite noteworthy. As does the fact that we were helping evacuees circumvent the Taliban even as the Biden administration was assuring the public that the Islamic militants were facilitating the extraction of Americans.
~Snip~
Biden was wedded to the Taliban’s timeline. Given that he’s shown reliably disastrous foreign-policy instincts over 50 years in public life, this isn’t exactly surprising. It’s also increasingly clear that the administration ignored warnings because it believed leaving Afghanistan, which was quite popular in polls, would be a political slam dunk early in his term.
That was Biden’s prerogative. The president has no obligation to follow the advice of his generals. Undoubtedly, many of them would have advocated a U.S. presence in Afghanistan in perpetuity. As a policy matter, Biden’s botching of the evacuation is a separate issue from whether the United States should have withdrawn. However, once Biden decided to embrace what the Trump administration had begun, the responsibility to protect American lives was his. There are numerous questions yet to be answered on why he failed to do so.

Commentary:
Unfortunately, this disgrace will go the same way as Benghazi debacle that killed four. The Quisling media does not want to investigate Democrats.
When asked in July 2021 if a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan was inevitable, the president scoffed at the notion, arguing that “Afghan troops have 300,000 well-equipped — as well-equipped as any army in the world — and an air force against something like 75,000 Taliban.”
Now with the U.S. military equipment now in the Taliban’s possession, I guess that makes the Taliban as well-equipped as any army in the world."
At least Benedict Arnold saved the Revolution twice: at the battle of Lake Champlain where he lost the battle but delayed the British Invasion for one season and at our victory at Sarasota. where Arnold was wounded in the leg deserves to be buried with full honors at Arlington whereas Biden deserves to be buried in some pit in Afghanistan
Compare the "tough" talk then with what Biden said yesterday and ask yourself if Putin may consider calling Biden's bluff:
"If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine, again, then there will be no longer Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it,” Biden said.
My bet is that Putin has been putting on a show on the Ukraine border to build up his stature in the eyes of the world (especially Russia), but he's not willing to actually go into Ukraine. The Biden administration figures this as well and only made that statement for political consumption so they can make the case they scared off Putin. Putin is well aware that Biden is full of it and so that announcement could backfire as Putin will have new incentive to save face.
If it looked anywhere neat how bad it was Joe would have rotted from the tree by now, twice.
 

The Afghanistan Debacle Looks Worse and Worse

8 Feb 2022 ~~ By David Harsanyi

The more we learn about the administration’s Afghanistan withdrawal, the more it becomes clear that its decisions were driven by political considerations and panic.
As the Biden administration’s chaotic and inept withdrawal from Afghanistan was unfolding in August 2021, a suicide bomber murdered 13 American servicemembers, and at least 170 Afghans, at the Abbey Gate outside Kabul’s Hamid Karzai International Airport. It was one of the deadliest attacks on our troops in our 20 years in that nation.
~Snip~
The more we learn about the administration’s Afghanistan withdrawal, the more it becomes clear that its decisions were driven by political considerations and panic. Here, for example, is a snippet from ProPublica’s recent investigation into the Kabul suicide bombing:
Days before the final withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan, thousands of desperate Americans and Afghan allies seeking to flee the country were using unguarded routes across open fields and through narrow alleys to reach one of the few gates providing access to the Kabul airfield.​
Despite intelligence warning of terrorist attacks, U.S. military commanders encouraged use of the routes. Some U.S. officials even provided maps to evacuees trying to bypass Taliban fighters stationed at a checkpoint outside the airport.​
The fact that the murderer of 13 Americans “likely” gained access to troops via a path that U.S. officials were encouraging people to use seems quite noteworthy. As does the fact that we were helping evacuees circumvent the Taliban even as the Biden administration was assuring the public that the Islamic militants were facilitating the extraction of Americans.
~Snip~
Biden was wedded to the Taliban’s timeline. Given that he’s shown reliably disastrous foreign-policy instincts over 50 years in public life, this isn’t exactly surprising. It’s also increasingly clear that the administration ignored warnings because it believed leaving Afghanistan, which was quite popular in polls, would be a political slam dunk early in his term.
That was Biden’s prerogative. The president has no obligation to follow the advice of his generals. Undoubtedly, many of them would have advocated a U.S. presence in Afghanistan in perpetuity. As a policy matter, Biden’s botching of the evacuation is a separate issue from whether the United States should have withdrawn. However, once Biden decided to embrace what the Trump administration had begun, the responsibility to protect American lives was his. There are numerous questions yet to be answered on why he failed to do so.

Commentary:
Unfortunately, this disgrace will go the same way as Benghazi debacle that killed four. The Quisling media does not want to investigate Democrats.
When asked in July 2021 if a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan was inevitable, the president scoffed at the notion, arguing that “Afghan troops have 300,000 well-equipped — as well-equipped as any army in the world — and an air force against something like 75,000 Taliban.”
Now with the U.S. military equipment now in the Taliban’s possession, I guess that makes the Taliban as well-equipped as any army in the world."
At least Benedict Arnold saved the Revolution twice: at the battle of Lake Champlain where he lost the battle but delayed the British Invasion for one season and at our victory at Sarasota. where Arnold was wounded in the leg deserves to be buried with full honors at Arlington whereas Biden deserves to be buried in some pit in Afghanistan
Compare the "tough" talk then with what Biden said yesterday and ask yourself if Putin may consider calling Biden's bluff:
"If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine, again, then there will be no longer Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it,” Biden said.
My bet is that Putin has been putting on a show on the Ukraine border to build up his stature in the eyes of the world (especially Russia), but he's not willing to actually go into Ukraine. The Biden administration figures this as well and only made that statement for political consumption so they can make the case they scared off Putin. Putin is well aware that Biden is full of it and so that announcement could backfire as Putin will have new incentive to save face.

Problem is that only two full years had less deaths in 20 years. US soldiers were dying because of what BUSH did. Obama and Trump refused to do the right thing and pull out.

Afghanistan didn't have a government that could function, because of incompetence during the last 20 years on the part of the US. The US was paying something like $300 million a day to get its soldiers killed, injured, or suffering PTSD and the like.
 
Have you ever w
Idiot. Have you ever worked over seas? Are you aware of the US state department travel warnings?
just like we didn't get them out of North Korea, Vietnam, Rwanda, South Africa. Joe just stood by his policies leaving Americans where ever and don't give a shit and it seems his supporters don't either.
 
just like we didn't get them out of North Korea, Vietnam, Rwanda, South Africa. Joe just stood by his policies leaving Americans where ever and don't give a shit and it seems his supporters don't either.
They don't work for the government. They are civilians. The US government has no jurisdiction over Americans abroad. Biden can't make them leave.
 
Afghanis selling kidneys to be able to feed their families thanks to Slo Joe.

 

The Afghanistan Debacle Looks Worse and Worse

8 Feb 2022 ~~ By David Harsanyi

The more we learn about the administration’s Afghanistan withdrawal, the more it becomes clear that its decisions were driven by political considerations and panic.
As the Biden administration’s chaotic and inept withdrawal from Afghanistan was unfolding in August 2021, a suicide bomber murdered 13 American servicemembers, and at least 170 Afghans, at the Abbey Gate outside Kabul’s Hamid Karzai International Airport. It was one of the deadliest attacks on our troops in our 20 years in that nation.
~Snip~
The more we learn about the administration’s Afghanistan withdrawal, the more it becomes clear that its decisions were driven by political considerations and panic. Here, for example, is a snippet from ProPublica’s recent investigation into the Kabul suicide bombing:
Days before the final withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan, thousands of desperate Americans and Afghan allies seeking to flee the country were using unguarded routes across open fields and through narrow alleys to reach one of the few gates providing access to the Kabul airfield.​
Despite intelligence warning of terrorist attacks, U.S. military commanders encouraged use of the routes. Some U.S. officials even provided maps to evacuees trying to bypass Taliban fighters stationed at a checkpoint outside the airport.​
The fact that the murderer of 13 Americans “likely” gained access to troops via a path that U.S. officials were encouraging people to use seems quite noteworthy. As does the fact that we were helping evacuees circumvent the Taliban even as the Biden administration was assuring the public that the Islamic militants were facilitating the extraction of Americans.
~Snip~
Biden was wedded to the Taliban’s timeline. Given that he’s shown reliably disastrous foreign-policy instincts over 50 years in public life, this isn’t exactly surprising. It’s also increasingly clear that the administration ignored warnings because it believed leaving Afghanistan, which was quite popular in polls, would be a political slam dunk early in his term.
That was Biden’s prerogative. The president has no obligation to follow the advice of his generals. Undoubtedly, many of them would have advocated a U.S. presence in Afghanistan in perpetuity. As a policy matter, Biden’s botching of the evacuation is a separate issue from whether the United States should have withdrawn. However, once Biden decided to embrace what the Trump administration had begun, the responsibility to protect American lives was his. There are numerous questions yet to be answered on why he failed to do so.

Commentary:
Unfortunately, this disgrace will go the same way as Benghazi debacle that killed four. The Quisling media does not want to investigate Democrats.
When asked in July 2021 if a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan was inevitable, the president scoffed at the notion, arguing that “Afghan troops have 300,000 well-equipped — as well-equipped as any army in the world — and an air force against something like 75,000 Taliban.”
Now with the U.S. military equipment now in the Taliban’s possession, I guess that makes the Taliban as well-equipped as any army in the world."
At least Benedict Arnold saved the Revolution twice: at the battle of Lake Champlain where he lost the battle but delayed the British Invasion for one season and at our victory at Sarasota. where Arnold was wounded in the leg deserves to be buried with full honors at Arlington whereas Biden deserves to be buried in some pit in Afghanistan
Compare the "tough" talk then with what Biden said yesterday and ask yourself if Putin may consider calling Biden's bluff:
"If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine, again, then there will be no longer Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it,” Biden said.
My bet is that Putin has been putting on a show on the Ukraine border to build up his stature in the eyes of the world (especially Russia), but he's not willing to actually go into Ukraine. The Biden administration figures this as well and only made that statement for political consumption so they can make the case they scared off Putin. Putin is well aware that Biden is full of it and so that announcement could backfire as Putin will have new incentive to save face.
It pales in significance to the Iraq fiasco.…..
 
Why did President Trump flip flop on his order to completely withdraw from Afghanistan by Jan 15th, and relent to the Generals request to keep at least enough troops to sustain operations for the Afghan Army, or just 2500 troops?

Recall the Doha Surrender Agreement called for a reduction to 8600 troops, condition based of course.
We've already debunked your sleazy attempt to blame Trump for the Afghanistan debacle.
 
11,000 troops left before September 2020 and 5000 prisoners were released. Now Trump blames Biden.
Biden is the one responsible, moron. If he didn't agree with those troop levels, nothing stopped him from changing them. It takes a special kind of stupid to blame Trump for them.

Progs act like helpless children. Everything is someone else's fault when they are in office. They never take responsibility for anything.
 
Biden is the one responsible, moron. If he didn't agree with those troop levels, nothing stopped him from changing them. It takes a special kind of stupid to blame Trump for them.

Progs act like helpless children. Everything is someone else's fault when they are in office. They never take responsibility for anything.
Americans should keep their word. Trashing agreements is not smart. America would have no credibility at all.
 
Americans should keep their word. Trashing agreements is not smart. America would have no credibility at all.
Trump didn't make any promises about troop levels on any given date, you fucking moron.

Perhaps you shouldn't open your mouth until you have something intelligent to say. Of course, then there wouldn't be any point for you to be a member of this forum.
 

The Afghanistan Debacle Looks Worse and Worse

8 Feb 2022 ~~ By David Harsanyi

The more we learn about the administration’s Afghanistan withdrawal, the more it becomes clear that its decisions were driven by political considerations and panic.
As the Biden administration’s chaotic and inept withdrawal from Afghanistan was unfolding in August 2021, a suicide bomber murdered 13 American servicemembers, and at least 170 Afghans, at the Abbey Gate outside Kabul’s Hamid Karzai International Airport. It was one of the deadliest attacks on our troops in our 20 years in that nation.
~Snip~
The more we learn about the administration’s Afghanistan withdrawal, the more it becomes clear that its decisions were driven by political considerations and panic. Here, for example, is a snippet from ProPublica’s recent investigation into the Kabul suicide bombing:
Days before the final withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan, thousands of desperate Americans and Afghan allies seeking to flee the country were using unguarded routes across open fields and through narrow alleys to reach one of the few gates providing access to the Kabul airfield.​
Despite intelligence warning of terrorist attacks, U.S. military commanders encouraged use of the routes. Some U.S. officials even provided maps to evacuees trying to bypass Taliban fighters stationed at a checkpoint outside the airport.​
The fact that the murderer of 13 Americans “likely” gained access to troops via a path that U.S. officials were encouraging people to use seems quite noteworthy. As does the fact that we were helping evacuees circumvent the Taliban even as the Biden administration was assuring the public that the Islamic militants were facilitating the extraction of Americans.
~Snip~
Biden was wedded to the Taliban’s timeline. Given that he’s shown reliably disastrous foreign-policy instincts over 50 years in public life, this isn’t exactly surprising. It’s also increasingly clear that the administration ignored warnings because it believed leaving Afghanistan, which was quite popular in polls, would be a political slam dunk early in his term.
That was Biden’s prerogative. The president has no obligation to follow the advice of his generals. Undoubtedly, many of them would have advocated a U.S. presence in Afghanistan in perpetuity. As a policy matter, Biden’s botching of the evacuation is a separate issue from whether the United States should have withdrawn. However, once Biden decided to embrace what the Trump administration had begun, the responsibility to protect American lives was his. There are numerous questions yet to be answered on why he failed to do so.

Commentary:
Unfortunately, this disgrace will go the same way as Benghazi debacle that killed four. The Quisling media does not want to investigate Democrats.
When asked in July 2021 if a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan was inevitable, the president scoffed at the notion, arguing that “Afghan troops have 300,000 well-equipped — as well-equipped as any army in the world — and an air force against something like 75,000 Taliban.”
Now with the U.S. military equipment now in the Taliban’s possession, I guess that makes the Taliban as well-equipped as any army in the world."
At least Benedict Arnold saved the Revolution twice: at the battle of Lake Champlain where he lost the battle but delayed the British Invasion for one season and at our victory at Sarasota. where Arnold was wounded in the leg deserves to be buried with full honors at Arlington whereas Biden deserves to be buried in some pit in Afghanistan
Compare the "tough" talk then with what Biden said yesterday and ask yourself if Putin may consider calling Biden's bluff:
"If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine, again, then there will be no longer Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it,” Biden said.
My bet is that Putin has been putting on a show on the Ukraine border to build up his stature in the eyes of the world (especially Russia), but he's not willing to actually go into Ukraine. The Biden administration figures this as well and only made that statement for political consumption so they can make the case they scared off Putin. Putin is well aware that Biden is full of it and so that announcement could backfire as Putin will have new incentive to save face.
Hardly. Being out of Afghanistan is a major win.
 
We've already debunked your sleazy attempt to blame Trump for the Afghanistan debacle.
Biden is the one responsible, moron. If he didn't agree with those troop levels, nothing stopped him from changing them. It takes a special kind of stupid to blame Trump for them.

Progs act like helpless children. Everything is someone else's fault when they are in office. They never take responsibility for anything.

You've debunked nothing. The Doha Accords had a 135 day window for implementation. Trump met all our condition and did so without regards to whether of not the Taliban met all of their conditions. He not only reduced our troops to the 8600 as agree to in the Agreement but he also continued to withdraw our troop well below that level without making those withdrawal condition based either.

Your argument is that Biden could have re-deployed more troops to enforce Trumps conditions that he refused enforce? So that makes the compromised position Trump put our Afghani allies in, "Saul Bidens Faults"?
 
You've debunked nothing. The Doha Accords had a 135 day window for implementation. Trump met all our condition and did so without regards to whether of not the Taliban met all of their conditions. He not only reduced our troops to the 8600 as agree to in the Agreement but he also continued to withdraw our troop well below that level without making those withdrawal condition based either.

Your argument is that Biden could have re-deployed more troops to enforce Trumps conditions that he refused enforce? So that makes the compromised position Trump put our Afghani allies in, "Saul Bidens Faults"?
Your "logic" is idiotic. Biden was in charge. It was his responsibility. Biden wasn't required to enforce Trump's conditions. He could have changed anything he didn't agree with. You have to be brain dead to believe Trump was responsible.
 
Your "logic" is idiotic. Biden was in charge. It was his responsibility.
Trumps signed the Accords and was responsible for the implementation within 135 days. Biden was not the President when the Taliban ignored the conditions they agree too. Trump was the President who ignored their failure to comply and continued to draw down our forces. Not Biden. Trump continued withdrawing troops during his lame duck period that put the Taliban in a commanding position against the Afghan Army when Biden took control.
He could have changed anything he didn't agree with
Sure. The Generals told him that it would only take 20 or 25 thousand fresh bodies to correct all the Conditions Benedict Donald failed to enforce in his Skedaddle Accords.....

But Joe chose to end the occupation as best he could with the Military situation that Benedict left him.
 
Trumps signed the Accords and was responsible for the implementation within 135 days. Biden was not the President when the Taliban ignored the conditions they agree too. Trump was the President who ignored their failure to comply and continued to draw down our forces. Not Biden. Trump continued withdrawing troops during his lame duck period that put the Taliban in a commanding position against the Afghan Army when Biden took control.

Sure. The Generals told him that it would only take 20 or 25 thousand fresh bodies to correct all the Conditions Benedict Donald failed to enforce in his Skedaddle Accords.....

But Joe chose to end the occupation as best he could with the Military situation that Benedict left him.
After his inauguration, Biden was responsible. Biden didn't even whine about anything Trump did. End of story.
 
Problem is that only two full years had less deaths in 20 years. US soldiers were dying because of what BUSH did. Obama and Trump refused to do the right thing and pull out.

Afghanistan didn't have a government that could function, because of incompetence during the last 20 years on the part of the US. The US was paying something like $300 million a day to get its soldiers killed, injured, or suffering PTSD and the like.
Trump did not refuse to pull out, douchebag. He implemented it, and all you turds can do is blame every mistake Biden made on Trump.
 
Trumps signed the Accords and was responsible for the implementation within 135 days. Biden was not the President when the Taliban ignored the conditions they agree too. Trump was the President who ignored their failure to comply and continued to draw down our forces. Not Biden. Trump continued withdrawing troops during his lame duck period that put the Taliban in a commanding position against the Afghan Army when Biden took control.

Sure. The Generals told him that it would only take 20 or 25 thousand fresh bodies to correct all the Conditions Benedict Donald failed to enforce in his Skedaddle Accords.....

But Joe chose to end the occupation as best he could with the Military situation that Benedict left him.
There's a reason the Founders made it impossible for the Generals to direct what wars we go into ... or stayed in.

What we're seeing is Biden's decisions of when and where we we will stand with out allies potentially to our deaths. W was simply incompetent because he had not taken advantage of his opportunities to learn about for policy. I was never sure Obama really shared the same values as I do. As he asked in 2014 "what are our interests in Ukraine?" Trump .... Jesus, "I want my Tower."
 

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