Can any right winger give me one example

[Jarlaxle]

Of a unionized company going belly up and it wasn't the union's fault? Personally unless it's a company owned by George Soros or something I doubt very much that they can because they have a knee jerk reaction to blame it on the union regardless of the facts. Hostess is a very stark example of that and I think proves it. Back in 2012 the Hostess employees took an 8% pay cut at the same time management gave themselves $1,800,000 in bonuses. Hostess employees get 8% pay cut, management gets $1.8m bonuses Then in 2013 the employees were told to take another pay cut while management gave themselves tens of millions of dollars in bonuses and pay raises. Take a wild guess which ones the rightwing says are being selfish?

Consolidated Freight. I went to work for them part-time in 1995. When asked if I 'wanted' to join the union I advised that since I was only working about 16 hours a week, I'd pass. Next time I visited the john, there were three union 'recruiters' waiting on me.

The 'shop steward' came to work and slept on his fork lift and you couldn't wake him up. You had to unload your trucks by hand... PERIOD. The teamsters decided that they wanted a 6% pay increase. When the company showed them declining profits and said that they couldn't afford it, they responded by forcing every employee to go to a warehouse where we spent the day making sharpened nail stars that would puncture the tires of the trucks. The very same shop steward and his cronies then spread them over the parking lot and docks.

The company spent a boatload of money putting in a new bathroom with showers and lockers. The union responded by completely trashing the place because one of it's members had been fired after being caught jacking freight from the dock.

Unions... yeah, they're such a wonderful thing. After working at this nightmare I promised myself I WOULD NEVER join or be a part of a union again.

The Union committed criminal acts, plus committed an unfair labor act. I'm surprised the company didn't press charges.

Why bother? Nobody would be willing to admit to seeing anything because they don't want their house burned down!

 

[Jarlaxle]

Unions killed union trucking.

Who's left? The LTL's...and you're seeing a shift away from that with Conway buying out CFI. And the Car haulers tied into the Auto workers like Jack Cooper and Cassens.

I recall two of the three biggest LTL carriers (UPS, FedEx, and Roadway-Yellow) are union.

 

[Katzndogz]

How many airlines did unions kill?

 

[Wyatt earp]

The very first plastic company I worked for was a stamping gear company, the workers formed a Union the owner told them to go to hell, fired them all and went to plastic gears......

 

[Jarlaxle]

Churchill Trucking started to collapse 1985 when management decisions to hold pricing amplified the effects of deregulation and heavy discounting of LTL freight. The costs of union truckers were a factor, but management made no effort to dial back costs until it was too late. After a few years of wrangling the family shut the business down to save what they had left.

Couldn't find anything on Consolidated Freight going out of business.
Not sure this is the same company, but it seems to be doing okay. Consolidated Freight Company

The old (1929) Consolidated Freightways folded in 2002. They had spun off their long-haul line in 1996 as CNF Transportation...that still operates, since 2006 under the name of Con-Way.

 

[Granny]

I can remember when the Teamsters union would have strikes and members would stand on overpasses shooting at independents/non-union truckers (or any truckers on the road for that matter). I don't think there was any consideration that they could hit cars as well.

I worked for labor lawyers. I've seen the BS companies have to go through over grievances and firings, etc. Companies pay for legal defense out of their pockets while the NLRB gets paid by the taxpayers in their representation of unions. Sure the companies have insurance ... but those premiums go up, too.

When unions stand up for members who sleep on the job, work while drunk as a skunk or higher than kites on drugs ... much to the detriment of co-workers. When someone gets killed on the job, who gets sued? The company.

And all this stuff gets passed on to consumers as a cost of doing business.

After the CWA came to my house to force me to join (which I did not do) I vowed I would never join any union and I never did. I've always worked in right-to-work states. Sure, you can get fired for any reason, but while you are employed, if you're a non-union employee you get the same salaries/benefits afforded to union members.

There was a time, yes, when unions were relevant ... but not so much today ... state and federal workplace laws have taken care of a lot of issues.

 

[MeBelle]

Of a unionized company going belly up and it wasn't the union's fault? Personally unless it's a company owned by George Soros or something I doubt very much that they can because they have a knee jerk reaction to blame it on the union regardless of the facts. Hostess is a very stark example of that and I think proves it. Back in 2012 the Hostess employees took an 8% pay cut at the same time management gave themselves $1,800,000 in bonuses. Hostess employees get 8% pay cut, management gets $1.8m bonuses Then in 2013 the employees were told to take another pay cut while management gave themselves tens of millions of dollars in bonuses and pay raises. Take a wild guess which ones the rightwing says are being selfish?

OP Fail.

Hostess was officially bankrupt in November 2012
Hostess Brands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After 18,500 Hostess employees lost their jobs because the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers & Grain Millers International Union went out on strike (the Teamsters did not want to strike) the company went into bankruptcy and shut down, as its executives had warned it would, given a labor stoppage.
Now there is a new owner, who is reopening the plants that make Twinkies, Ho Hos and Ding Dong brands. Only they are reopening without any unions.
Hostess unions, the bell Ding Dongs for thee - KansasCity.com

The chief executive of Hostess Brands said Sunday he is slashing executive compensation in the aftermath of creditor allegations that the company may have pushed management’s salaries higher in the months leading up to its Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing in an effort to skirt bankruptcy rules.

Gregory F. Rayburn, a restructuring expert who took the helm at Hostess last month, said in an interview that the top four executives working under him had agreed to cut their annual salaries to one dollar until the company emerges from bankruptcy or Dec. 31, whichever comes first. The executives–Gary Wandschneider, John Stewart, David Loeser and Richard Seban–had seen their salaries increase by 75% to 80% last July, at a time when the baking company had already hired restructuring lawyers, according to creditors.

Further down the totem pole at the Twinkie maker, four additional executives agreed to return to the salaries they were receiving before the July increase.

“I just think that it’s the right thing to do,” Rayburn said, noting that word of the salary bumps, disclosed in redacted papers filed by the creditors committee Tuesday, had caused “a high level of internal strife in the organization and certainly external strife.”

Hostess Cuts Four Executives? Pay to $1 After Big July Raises - Deal Journal - WSJ

 

[MeBelle]

Forgot this one:

Hostess wins OK to give execs up to $1.75 million in bonuses
A bankruptcy judge approves Hostess' plan to offer bonuses as an incentive for managers to oversee its liquidation. Hostess is talking with 110 potential bidders.

Hostess wins OK to give execs up to $1.75 million in bonuses - Los Angeles Times

They didn't 'give themselves' bonus, the court awarded it.

 

[AmazonTania]

Of a unionized company going belly up and it wasn't the union's fault? Personally unless it's a company owned by George Soros or something I doubt very much that they can because they have a knee jerk reaction to blame it on the union regardless of the facts. Hostess is a very stark example of that and I think proves it. Back in 2012 the Hostess employees took an 8% pay cut at the same time management gave themselves $1,800,000 in bonuses. Hostess employees get 8% pay cut, management gets $1.8m bonuses Then in 2013 the employees were told to take another pay cut while management gave themselves tens of millions of dollars in bonuses and pay raises. Take a wild guess which ones the rightwing says are being selfish?

You are completely misinformed. The pay cut was across the board, top to bottom from the highest level manager to the lowest level baker. Not only this, the employees were offered 25% stake in the company. With this amount of leverage, had the company actually survived bankruptcy court, this would have been a nice asset for these employees to retire on.

But no, like many Americans, these bakers only thought about the present instead of what the future might bring and decided to take the company down with them.

Hostess defunct status may not have been entirely the fault of the bakers union, but they certainly didn't help matters much. When it was all said and done, they are partially responsible for the lost of drakes and ding-dongs missing from this once great nation.

 

[westwall]

Churchill Trucking started to collapse 1985 when management decisions to hold pricing amplified the effects of deregulation and heavy discounting of LTL freight. The costs of union truckers were a factor, but management made no effort to dial back costs until it was too late. After a few years of wrangling the family shut the business down to save what they had left.

Couldn't find anything on Consolidated Freight going out of business.
Not sure this is the same company, but it seems to be doing okay. Consolidated Freight Company

The hell they didn't. Once again the Union forced them to carry 25% of the work force as dead weight. No company can survive that amount of ballast.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Of a unionized company going belly up and it wasn't the union's fault? Personally unless it's a company owned by George Soros or something I doubt very much that they can because they have a knee jerk reaction to blame it on the union regardless of the facts. Hostess is a very stark example of that and I think proves it. Back in 2012 the Hostess employees took an 8% pay cut at the same time management gave themselves $1,800,000 in bonuses. Hostess employees get 8% pay cut, management gets $1.8m bonuses Then in 2013 the employees were told to take another pay cut while management gave themselves tens of millions of dollars in bonuses and pay raises. Take a wild guess which ones the rightwing says are being selfish?

Consolidated Freight. I went to work for them part-time in 1995. When asked if I 'wanted' to join the union I advised that since I was only working about 16 hours a week, I'd pass. Next time I visited the john, there were three union 'recruiters' waiting on me.

The 'shop steward' came to work and slept on his fork lift and you couldn't wake him up. You had to unload your trucks by hand... PERIOD. The teamsters decided that they wanted a 6% pay increase. When the company showed them declining profits and said that they couldn't afford it, they responded by forcing every employee to go to a warehouse where we spent the day making sharpened nail stars that would puncture the tires of the trucks. The very same shop steward and his cronies then spread them over the parking lot and docks.

The company spent a boatload of money putting in a new bathroom with showers and lockers. The union responded by completely trashing the place because one of it's members had been fired after being caught jacking freight from the dock.

Unions... yeah, they're such a wonderful thing. After working at this nightmare I promised myself I WOULD NEVER join or be a part of a union again.

I'm as conservative as the next guy (and maybe more so than most) yet, after retiring from the Army, I took a position as a Traffic Manager (Teamsters) with a large grocery wholesale company. I retired with 25 years as a Teamster.

(1) At least in MY shop, that kind of crap would never have been tolerated. That Steward would have been fired. Willful destruction would have cost SOMEONE their job. I don't give a hoot in hell what company you're with, and I know CF VERY WELL, that kind of crap isn't tolerated. It's not tolerated there, at yellow, at ANY major company.

(2) I worked in a right to work state, yet everyone who took a position with the company CHOSE to be union. Why? We had not had a work stoppage in more than 47 years. we worked for a company that knew that the workers had it rough. Most worked 60 hour week minimums picking giant orders for the more than 1200 stores in our region. They worked those guys like dogs.

(3) The company, when I started there, pulled in an 800 million per year profit with just over 600 stores. When I retired, the company had 11 more divisions and was pulling in profits of 16 billion per year, with more expansion planned.

I receive a nice retirement from the Teamsters. The public pays NOTHING for me as the Teamsters are a private Union. And, as a parting thought, Teamsters LEADERSHIP wants the membership to be democrat. At least where MY company was - that failed miserably. Nearly everyone in my shop - nearly 1400 employees are registered republicans or "unaffiliated".

 

[Missourian]

Unions killed union trucking.

Who's left? The LTL's...and you're seeing a shift away from that with Conway buying out CFI. And the Car haulers tied into the Auto workers like Jack Cooper and Cassens.

I recall two of the three biggest LTL carriers (UPS, FedEx, and Roadway-Yellow) are union.

Yep, plus ABF and all the former USF's like Holland and Glen Moore that were acquired by YRC (Yellow-Roadway).

But I can't think of a single OTR union company.

 

[francoHFW]

Pub union busting killed unions, chumps of the greedy rich...Now gov't should get involved. Mandate good hours, vacations, working conditions, and a living wage. HIDEOUS, EVIL SOCIALISM, which is COMMUNISM!!! lol

 

[RandallFlagg]

Unions killed union trucking.

Who's left? The LTL's...and you're seeing a shift away from that with Conway buying out CFI. And the Car haulers tied into the Auto workers like Jack Cooper and Cassens.

I recall two of the three biggest LTL carriers (UPS, FedEx, and Roadway-Yellow) are union.

Yep, plus ABF and all the former USF's like Holland and Glen Moore that were acquired by YRC (Yellow-Roadway).

But I can't think of a single OTR union company.

Actually, there used to be several....ACE trucking was one, but I can't recall any more at the moment.

OTR companies are a little different. Most require their trucks and drivers be gone from home for long periods. Some as long as 6-8 weeks at a stretch. Most rely on drivers with less than 2-3 years experience (the turnover rate is astronomical) and the pay is usually fairly sub-standard.

I used to watch those poor SOBs (and I mean that lovingly) come to our distribution center, having driven all night or several days from say, California to Boston, get a couple hours sleep, have to hire lumpers to unload their product, head to the truck stop for re dispatch and then make about $1,000 a week BEFORE expenses of living on the road, which add up QUICKLY.

Most of these OTR companies will fire you instantly if you talk of unionizing. These companies usually offer insurance and vacation pay - IF - you are able to hang around for a while.

Our drivers (union) came to work, grabbed their tractors and headed out on their runs, which usually meant a typical 10 hour day, from start to finish. They delivered product to the stores, usually stopped for a back haul at various pick up points and returned home.

They had good health insurance, good vacation time and good wages. we had drivers that had been with the company for 40-50 years. How many OTR drivers can say that they stayed with the same company that long?

Treat someone right and they will hang around.

You mentioned CFI. I remember the REAL CFI (Joplin MO) really well. They treated their drivers fairly well (if you like being gone 6-8 weeks at a time) and they had several drivers who were there for quite some time. First rate equipment, decent money and above average dispatch. I was sad to see them sell out to Conway.

 

[Missourian]

Of a unionized company going belly up and it wasn't the union's fault? Personally unless it's a company owned by George Soros or something I doubt very much that they can because they have a knee jerk reaction to blame it on the union regardless of the facts. Hostess is a very stark example of that and I think proves it. Back in 2012 the Hostess employees took an 8% pay cut at the same time management gave themselves $1,800,000 in bonuses. Hostess employees get 8% pay cut, management gets $1.8m bonuses Then in 2013 the employees were told to take another pay cut while management gave themselves tens of millions of dollars in bonuses and pay raises. Take a wild guess which ones the rightwing says are being selfish?

You are completely misinformed. The pay cut was across the board, top to bottom from the highest level manager to the lowest level baker. Not only this, the employees were offered 25% stake in the company. With this amount of leverage, had the company actually survived bankruptcy court, this would have been a nice asset for these employees to retire on.

But no, like many Americans, these bakers only thought about the present instead of what the future might bring and decided to take the company down with them.

Hostess defunct status may not have been entirely the fault of the bakers union, but they certainly didn't help matters much. When it was all said and done, they are partially responsible for the lost of drakes and ding-dongs missing from this once great nation.

"someday soon, life's little Twinkie gauge is gonna go...empty" Tallahassee.

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