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Give me a break. I don't provide links to anti-Christian pieces of shit who troll the religion forums.
Anti-Christian piece of shit, eh? I can take it if it makes you feel better...
I wonder what your God thinks of your hatred?
That's not hatred, that's just the truth. You troll the religion forum, you're a mod..that makes you an anti-Christian piece of shit. I guess I could call you something else..but it wouldn't be as accurate.
Oh, there is that word Repent....if Peter had lived today he would be accused of being a legalist.
The initial message of Jesus Christ found in Mark 1:15 was this. He said, "Repent." Then he said, "and believe." That is not in the aorist tense – aorist means that at a specific point in time, do it – it is in the present imperative. Present tense means repent and keep on repenting. The imperative mood means it is a command. Believe and keep on believing. That was God’s message. It is not a one-time repentance. It is the one time, initial coming to know Christ and repenting of our sin, but it is also a daily living in light of the fact that we choose the wrong things and we daily have to repent and change our behavior for Him.
The second false confession is where we are going to start this time. Three times he says, "If we say." Verse 8 says, "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us." What is he saying here? Well, first of all, the "we have" there is in the present tense. We are in the state of having no sin. In other words, we have reached that place. Spirituality is an attainment. We finally arrived and we don’t have to deal with sin anymore. John goes on to say if we say that, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
The word "deceiving" is the word planao. We get the word "planet" from it. The idea is, if we are saying this, that we don’t have to deal with sin anymore, we are like a planet wandering around. There is no direction in our life. Have you ever noticed people who have problems in their life and they don’t want to have to deal with personal sin? It is almost as if they have come beyond that. Something else is the matter but not sin. You can’t get them to sit down and realize that sin is the problem. These people never seem to come to any solutions. They never come to any answers. Why? Because they are deceiving themselves by saying they don’t have any sin. We have got to understand that sin still is in the life of a believer. A believer has to deal with sin.
Anti-Christian piece of shit, eh? I can take it if it makes you feel better...
I wonder what your God thinks of your hatred?
That's not hatred, that's just the truth. You troll the religion forum, you're a mod..that makes you an anti-Christian piece of shit. I guess I could call you something else..but it wouldn't be as accurate.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, Kiddo.
Time and time again, believers start discussing and teaching the doctrine that believers can be perfect and live a life without sin here on earth. That doctrine is a very evil and dangerous false doctrine. Please read this text with prayer and test it by the Word of God.
The whole article is on my site: Can believers live their lives without committing sin?
Got a link to what? Them acutally appearing in the arms of Christ?
A link to actual proof would be awesome, but I'll take a link to one of the Ancient Stories, chapter and verse, that states plainly that children who die get a free pass regardless of beliefs and circumstances.
Obedience is true Worship. This is what God desires from us is to live holy, obey God, if we sin we have a Savior we can repent to and ask forgiveness and he will be faithful to forgive us but this is not to be part of the life of a believer. Living in sin. God forbid. Now if we worship God with unfeigned lips and praise him with a song with a melody then this is pleasing to him. If we do not desire in our hearts to obey him how can we sing words such as I surrender all? How can we praise him? Speaking of which....what should we praise him for? That He is God! That he is holy! That he alone is worthy!
Maybe perfection in the eyes of God is trying your best. That would reflect Love on His part.
As goals go, that's a popular one at least.
Oh, there is that word Repent....if Peter had lived today he would be accused of being a legalist.
I can do better than that, Jeri. You have to repent and keep on repenting because you (man) still sins:
The initial message of Jesus Christ found in Mark 1:15 was this. He said, "Repent." Then he said, "and believe." That is not in the aorist tense aorist means that at a specific point in time, do it it is in the present imperative. Present tense means repent and keep on repenting. The imperative mood means it is a command. Believe and keep on believing. That was Gods message. It is not a one-time repentance. It is the one time, initial coming to know Christ and repenting of our sin, but it is also a daily living in light of the fact that we choose the wrong things and we daily have to repent and change our behavior for Him.
The second false confession is where we are going to start this time. Three times he says, "If we say." Verse 8 says, "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us." What is he saying here? Well, first of all, the "we have" there is in the present tense. We are in the state of having no sin. In other words, we have reached that place. Spirituality is an attainment. We finally arrived and we dont have to deal with sin anymore. John goes on to say if we say that, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
The word "deceiving" is the word planao. We get the word "planet" from it. The idea is, if we are saying this, that we dont have to deal with sin anymore, we are like a planet wandering around. There is no direction in our life. Have you ever noticed people who have problems in their life and they dont want to have to deal with personal sin? It is almost as if they have come beyond that. Something else is the matter but not sin. You cant get them to sit down and realize that sin is the problem. These people never seem to come to any solutions. They never come to any answers. Why? Because they are deceiving themselves by saying they dont have any sin. We have got to understand that sin still is in the life of a believer. A believer has to deal with sin.
The Believer and Sin - Part 1
1 John 1:8-10
by Dr. Wayne A. Barber
You still sin.
Time and time again, believers start discussing and teaching the doctrine that believers can be perfect and live a life without sin here on earth. That doctrine is a very evil and dangerous false doctrine. Please read this text with prayer and test it by the Word of God.
The whole article is on my site: Can believers live their lives without committing sin?
Oh, there is that word Repent....if Peter had lived today he would be accused of being a legalist.
I can do better than that, Jeri. You have to repent and keep on repenting because you (man) still sins:
The initial message of Jesus Christ found in Mark 1:15 was this. He said, "Repent." Then he said, "and believe." That is not in the aorist tense aorist means that at a specific point in time, do it it is in the present imperative. Present tense means repent and keep on repenting. The imperative mood means it is a command. Believe and keep on believing. That was Gods message. It is not a one-time repentance. It is the one time, initial coming to know Christ and repenting of our sin, but it is also a daily living in light of the fact that we choose the wrong things and we daily have to repent and change our behavior for Him.
The second false confession is where we are going to start this time. Three times he says, "If we say." Verse 8 says, "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us." What is he saying here? Well, first of all, the "we have" there is in the present tense. We are in the state of having no sin. In other words, we have reached that place. Spirituality is an attainment. We finally arrived and we dont have to deal with sin anymore. John goes on to say if we say that, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
The word "deceiving" is the word planao. We get the word "planet" from it. The idea is, if we are saying this, that we dont have to deal with sin anymore, we are like a planet wandering around. There is no direction in our life. Have you ever noticed people who have problems in their life and they dont want to have to deal with personal sin? It is almost as if they have come beyond that. Something else is the matter but not sin. You cant get them to sit down and realize that sin is the problem. These people never seem to come to any solutions. They never come to any answers. Why? Because they are deceiving themselves by saying they dont have any sin. We have got to understand that sin still is in the life of a believer. A believer has to deal with sin.
The Believer and Sin - Part 1
1 John 1:8-10
by Dr. Wayne A. Barber
You still sin.
Get thee behind me, Satan.
It is written:
Then neither do I condemn you Jesus declared, Go now and leave your life of sin.
- John 8:11 New International Version Bible
Again it is written:
And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee, go and sin no more.
- John 8: 11 King James Version Bible
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To him who overcomes the same shall be saved - it is written, Chuck! Jesus said so. Believe Him. Not your own opinion.
Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Maybe perfection in the eyes of God is trying your best. That would reflect Love on His part.
As goals go, that's a popular one at least.
We can't be perfect for past sins. Have Jeri explain that one.
We are justified by faith because of Jesus' finished work on the cross.
If Jeri wants to condemn Christians for sins then she has to live by the same standard because God will judge her by the same standard:
James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, (on him) that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
Do you know how hard it was for the doctors to get my mentally ill stepsister to take her medicine? She said she didn't need it. She said she wasn't sick.
What was the 613 commandments for? To show you your condition. The law was a mirror to show us our condition but you don't go to the mirror to get clean. You go to the mirror to see that you are dirty.
No chuck, the law was given as a light to the nations. The law was given to teach people to distinguish between clean and unclean, right and wrong, true and false, good and evil so they might learn to be holy as God is holy in a world that had been for billions of years without shape and void; and darkness covered the face of the deep.
Listen Chuck, it is well known that Jesus taught that obedience to the law, according to his divine revelation, is the way to life.
If you don't care to observe any of the commands of God that scripture teaches is the only way to eternal life, go for it. Just don't blame it on Jesus......Anyone who cares to check the facts will realize that you have either made great errors in your own speculations or you have been misled yourself.
Either way for you to mislead others at this point amounts to intentional sin, specifically murder.
Your answers are astonishing me today, Hobelim. You are very, very close to the truth here. What Jesus taught was that "He" is the way to life. He is the the truth, the way and the life - and the door through which we enter in - by His Blood - into the Most Holy Place - having fellowship with G-d the Father. You are right on the mark with your quoting of 1 John 1 : 4 - 10, Hobelim.
Jesus also said, If you love me? You will keep my commandments. He didn't say he would keep them for us. He said to his followers, YOU WILL keep them. If they don't? Well, this is why Jesus said, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would be in heaven where as those who didn't strive ( agonize ) to enter in the strait gate but chose the wide path instead - were cast into outer darkness where there would be weep and gnashing of teeth.
It is our Love for Jesus Christ that will assure we keep his commandments and obey Him. It is the desire of our heart to obey God! It is not a heavy burden but a very light yoke! Those that are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God. Doing the will of God is not works but effortless in that it is not by might, not by power, but by my Spirit sayeth the Lord. We delight to do His will.
The carnal man who desires to live the fleshly life does not delight to do the Will of G-d. He delights in serving G-d according to his own will. Much as Cain offered what he wanted rather than what G-d had asked for. Abel delighted in obeying G-d and Cain did not. Therein the difference of the too. One loved God while the other really didn't. That is why Cain was always worried about what Abel was doing. He could not rest in his own relationship with God because truthfully he didn't have one. So instead he sought to murder his own brother. Did you know that God considers slander to be murder too? He does. Those who slander ( speak falsely against another person ) are murderers in Gods eyes. It is written in the bible.
While you are right that those who teach others they can sin their way to heaven - are guilty of murder - you can expect that they will come back with accusations of legalism, tell you that you are teaching something, under the law, that their doctrine is under grace, that Jesus kept the commandments so they do not have to obey them.. it is a perversion of the truth and Jesus warned the church in Matthew 24 chapter no less than 5 times that the number one challenge of the end times church would be deception.
This is what you are looking at. The church has fallen into great deception and because of this when true persecution comes and the rapture doesn't? The great falling away will happen.
These people you see defending the sin in their lives - who have an entitlement mentality that "God owes them" because they said a Jesus come into my heart prayer a few decades ago...... will be the very same ones who will turn in the true believers in order to save their own lives.
And just as Jesus warned, they will think they are doing God a favor by getting rid of us. Yes, the true believers are going to suffer the exact same fate as the true believers in the book of Acts did. It is a small company of believers - a remnant - but a mighty one. The greatest persecution Jesus and his followers endured came from religious zealots who had no personal relationship with God. Not the average out there lost soul. It is the same way today. Nothing has changed. There is.........as the writer of Ecclesiastes lamented.....nothing new under the sun.
- Jeri
"But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead" Romans 7:8
Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.” Luke 7:50
