Can wild CEO Pay Be Tamed? Probably Not

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

The decades between the post-War 40s and the mid-1980s were the most dynamically productive and prosperous in our history -- all thanks to FDR's New Deal and his constraints on the exploitative policies of the bankers. That era gave birth to an economically healthy and dignified working (middle) class from which your parents and you probably benefited.

That era was brought to an end by the inception of "Reaganomics" and the attending blitz of deregulation which has led to the rise of a monied aristocracy in America and Wall Street's criminal exploitation of Main Street and the near collapse of the national economy.

The New Deal was a failure just like the New Deal Part Deux is a failure. All FDR did was extend the depression for years longer than it would have been. WWII is what gave us the robust economy we had in the 40s and 50s for the reasons I already noted earlier.

Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they're still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

In addition to badly throwing the nation into debt, Reagan's tax cut blew out the ceiling on the accumulation of wealth, leading to a new Gilded Age and the rise of a generation of super-wealthy that hadn't been seen since the Robber Baron era of the 1890s or the Roaring 20s.

Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts | Common Dreams

Obama Deficit > Reagan budget

Reagan ran the entire government on less than and Obama deficit

Federal revenues roughly double under Reagan.

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The New Deal was a failure just like the New Deal Part Deux is a failure. All FDR did was extend the depression for years longer than it would have been. WWII is what gave us the robust economy we had in the 40s and 50s for the reasons I already noted earlier.

Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they're still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

In addition to badly throwing the nation into debt, Reagan's tax cut blew out the ceiling on the accumulation of wealth, leading to a new Gilded Age and the rise of a generation of super-wealthy that hadn't been seen since the Robber Baron era of the 1890s or the Roaring 20s.

Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts | Common Dreams

Obama Deficit > Reagan budget

Reagan ran the entire government on less than and Obama deficit

Federal revenues roughly double under Reagan.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj48qTwCqic]WILLY WONKA * YOU LOSE GOOD DAY SIR * - YouTube[/ame]

Carter ran the entire government on less than Reagan's deficit.

And Clinton handed Bush a surplus but Bush turned it into the deficit you are crying about now.

The result from Reagan was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund.

Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.
 
Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they're still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

In addition to badly throwing the nation into debt, Reagan's tax cut blew out the ceiling on the accumulation of wealth, leading to a new Gilded Age and the rise of a generation of super-wealthy that hadn't been seen since the Robber Baron era of the 1890s or the Roaring 20s.

Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts | Common Dreams

Obama Deficit > Reagan budget

Reagan ran the entire government on less than and Obama deficit

Federal revenues roughly double under Reagan.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj48qTwCqic]WILLY WONKA * YOU LOSE GOOD DAY SIR * - YouTube[/ame]

Carter ran the entire government on less than Reagan's deficit.

And Clinton handed Bush a surplus but Bush turned it into the deficit you are crying about now.

The result from Reagan was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund.

Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

Budget Impoundment Act of 1974 was the game changer

Reagan asked for line item veto, never got it

Democrats lied to Reagan about cutting spending

One Obama deficit > all 8 of Reagans
 
The New Deal was a failure just like the New Deal Part Deux is a failure. All FDR did was extend the depression for years longer than it would have been. WWII is what gave us the robust economy we had in the 40s and 50s for the reasons I already noted earlier.

Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they're still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

In addition to badly throwing the nation into debt, Reagan's tax cut blew out the ceiling on the accumulation of wealth, leading to a new Gilded Age and the rise of a generation of super-wealthy that hadn't been seen since the Robber Baron era of the 1890s or the Roaring 20s.

Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts | Common Dreams

Reagan ran the entire government on less than and Obama deficit

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Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

But you loved Reagan, right? :eek:
 
Obama Deficit > Reagan budget

Reagan ran the entire government on less than and Obama deficit

Federal revenues roughly double under Reagan.

WILLY WONKA * YOU LOSE GOOD DAY SIR * - YouTube

Carter ran the entire government on less than Reagan's deficit.

And Clinton handed Bush a surplus but Bush turned it into the deficit you are crying about now.

The result from Reagan was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund.

Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

Budget Impoundment Act of 1974 was the game changer

Reagan asked for line item veto, never got it

Democrats lied to Reagan about cutting spending

One Obama deficit > all 8 of Reagans

Boy if Bush wouldn't have handed Obama such a shit sandwich.
 
And Obama and the Dems have helped that, how? Nancy Pelosi came in in 06 promising fiscal restraint. Instead what we got was fiscal promiscuity. That's a large part of that deficit you attribute to Bush (Congress passes budgets). Obama doubled down on that promiscuity.
 
According to Competitive Wage theory, "a person earns an amount determined by the value of what she produces". Perhaps more precisely, "a person earns an amount determined by the valuation, of what she produces, by the rest of society". Prima facie, US CEOs respond diligently, to the financial interests, of shareholders, who value the share-prices, of their "corporate stock baseball cards collection" -- even when stock-prices do not track the welfare, of workers (wages), or the corporations themselves (profits).
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If so, then US corporations are (or have been) owned, by share-holders not concerned, primarily, for the actual success, of the actual company (or its employees) -- except insofar as the appearance of success buoys their portfolios.
 
If so, then US corporations are (or have been) owned, by share-holders not concerned, primarily, for the actual success, of the actual company (or its employees) -- except insofar as the appearance of success buoys their portfolios.

That's absurd. You are making a distinction where none exists. Companies are either successful or they arent.
 
(Net) current transfers are the (net) Money gifts received from abroad, from foreigners. The speculative bubbles, of the late 1990s, and 2000s, coincide with "tsunamis" of foreign "unrequited gifts" to US nationals, ultimately totaling trillions of US dollars -- which money was apparently invested into US stock-markets. Unofficial stock brokering ?
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US stock markets "declare" that a US corporation is "successful" if its earnings increase. i understand, that US corporations have been "sent to chop shops", with assets liquidated, to boost short-term earnings, in order to please stock-holders (even at the expense of future viability):
P/E numbers are just marketing ratios that bankers and their credit-agency accomplices put out to fool investors.
yes, companies are either successful or not. But stock investors don't care about companies, only their summary statistics ("they don't care about Babe Ruth the man, only about his batting average"). Many of those stock-holders may be foreigners.
 
if i understand the implications of the financial data, US CEOs may be "symptomatic" of stock-market speculations, but they are not the "cause". Instead, US CEOs diligently due their legal job obligation, of obeying the will of share-holders. If those share-holders only care about their "portfolio of NYSE base-ball cards", and neither US businesses nor US workers, then that is (at present) "The Law". If trillions of dollars are "gifted", from foreigners, to "their American friends", who then invest the "gifts" on US stock-markets, helping fuel speculative bubbles that collapse the US economy; then the US investors & CEOs have "done the financial laundry" of foreigners, whose trillions of dollars of "gifts" were much more of a "causative" agent.
 
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If so, then US corporations are (or have been) owned, by share-holders not concerned, primarily, for the actual success, of the actual company (or its employees) -- except insofar as the appearance of success buoys their portfolios.

too stupid and liberal for words. US workers are the richest workers in human history. Capitalism forces corporations to pay the highest wage possible or lose their best workers to those who do pay higher.
This is econ 101. Are you old enough to be here?? Do your parents know you are here posting??
 
I've tried to read through this thread and it seems to be about four threads....

However, the OP is one that has concerned me for some time.

I am not a huge fan of the CEO salary spikes. 60 minutes did something on this about 10 years ago. It was very good.

The problem is in how these guys get those large salaries. It almost seems like it is a rigged game.
 
Even the $700 billion bailout package that is fighting for life on Capitol Hill doesn’t have the teeth to put a lid on these financial windfalls, experts say.
Over the past two decades, efforts by government officials to rein in the big payouts, including changes to the tax code and calls for more oversight, have actually contributed to the growth in CEO pay — now 275 times the salary of the average working stiff, according to the Economic Policy Institute.
“Government regulators are notoriously ineffective at reining in pay, and oftentimes the unintended consequences caused greater problems,” says Charles Elson, an expert on corporate governance at the University of Delaware.

Can wild CEO pay be tamed? Probably not - Economy in Turmoil - MSNBC.com

And here is just one of the problems we have (specifically and in general).
 
The problem is in how these guys get those large salaries. It almost seems like it is a rigged game.

you seem liberal and so slow. CEO's are geniuses who work 80 hour weeks their entire lives. A few good decisions are worth $billions to share holders so their pay is trivial. Is that really over your head? You assume something is wrong with high pay but have no idea what is wrong. This is liberal brainwashing.
 
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Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

But you loved Reagan, right? :eek:

Actually in a democracy the president is not the government so it is not the president that borrows money.

If Reagan had his way government would have been reduced a great deal since he was our most conservative president.
 
Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

But you loved Reagan, right? :eek:

Actually in a democracy the president is not the government so it is not the president that borrows money.

If Reagan had his way government would have been reduced a great deal since he was our most conservative president.

Yea, so shit like this can occur?

Wells Fargo CEO Discusses Secret-Accounts Scandal In Senate Hearing

Why did Carrie Tolstedt, the head of community banking at Wells Fargo, announce her retirement earlier this year and receive a goodbye package worth an estimated $125 million?

Stumpf earned $19 million last year, including a $10 million performance bonus. In fact, between 2012 and 2015, he collected $155 million in stock options related to performance bonuses, according to the Institute for Policy Studies, which calculated the value of stock options, bonuses, salary, and other compensation.

 
Yea, so shit like this [wells Fargo] can occur?
Why blame govt when you could blame the stupid people who did business with Wells?
Customers are the ultimate regulators unless you want a libNazi policing every transaction you make on the assumption you are too stupid for freedom!! See that, you are a libNazi but lack the IQ to see the implications of your feelings.
 
Yea, so shit like this [wells Fargo] can occur?
Why blame govt when you could blame the stupid people who did business with Wells?
Customers are the ultimate regulators unless you want a libNazi policing every transaction you make on the assumption you are too stupid for freedom!! See that, you are a libNazi but lack the IQ to see the implications of your feelings.
See here's what libertards don't understand. Before unions we let the markets decide and they decided to not pay shit. It got so bad we organized. So when a libertard says let the market decide he's really saying let business' push the limits and when people are finally fed up, then organize?
 

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