Capitalism or Communism? Is communism really that horrible?

[Uncensored2008]

Funny things, Libertarians. Most american males give up on the concept of libertarianism by the time they reach puberty. They have by that time noticed that though they understood communism had no real chance, that Libertarianism suffers the same fate. It is totally against human nature.

Ah leftism, stupidity tempered with yet more stupidity.

What exactly did ThinkProgress and Alternet train you to think libertarian thought is?

So, they look around, maybe do some research, and find that there ARE no Libertarian utopias.

In 1776, a nation declared itself to be independent, and founded on the principle of liberty, that no man was subject or serf.

That nation endured as a purely Libertarian state until a civil war between a psuedo-feudal agrarian South and the industrial North.

After the war, the nation reverted to a mostly Libertarian structure until a Fabian rode the wave of economic crises to power. Even then, the shackles of authoritarianism were but loosely attached, until the recent usurper of liberty rode another economic crisis to power.

A few countries started in that direction, but made an abrupt turn away when the realized what the outcome would be.

Really, and which would the communist sites such as Common Dreams claim those would be, sparky?

A few made it all the way to crash and burn time. Somalia comes to mind.

BWAHAHAHAHA

What a fucktard - typical mindless leftist.

No sparky, Somalia is not and never has been "Libertarian." Somalia is a land that has been dominated since the 7th century by Arab and Muslim overlords. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire, the country gained a semblance of independence. It was short lived as Italy invaded in the 1920's. After WWII, Somalia was freed from Italy, but fell into poverty and conflict as Muslim rulers vied for control. Britain kept the lid on until 1960, when the Arab backed Haji Bashir Ismail Yusuf gained control and established an Islamic theocracy. The military staged a coup and created a military dictatorship until 1967. In 1967, Egypt set up a puppet government that held the nation as an Islamic dictatorship under the control of Cairo until 1976, at which point a Soviet/Cuban backed communist coup grabbed power and ran the nation into extreme poverty and starvation. When the USSR fell, the puppet dictatorship of the communists in Somalia also fell, leaving the Muslims to war over who would become the dictator. This situation continues, with Egypt and Saudi Arabia backing various Imams.

So sure, you're a liar and a retard, but at least you got nothing at all right...

Obama Akbar.

 

[Uncensored2008]

To a far leftist like you, a conservative like me will look like "an ultra right troglodyte". Naturally.

You reveal yourself once again, boy.

Dave, Jakematters has no thoughts or opinions. The Soros Group emails what he is to post, and he posts it, in return for a stipend from them. You cannot reason with Fakey, since he is not a legitimate poster. He's a paid hack, a demagogue.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Only liberals are dumb enough and scummy enough to keep defending communism/socialism for days and day on the internet.

The USSR didn't happen in their demented minds.

China isn't opening up to capitalism to grow their economy.

North Koreans don't eat each other for food living in their backwards communist system.

It's all la-la land because kook websites told them it is utopia.

 

[Uncensored2008]

(1) I did not defend the regime.

Of course you did. I'm sure you were only following orders, but you absolutely defended and praised the Castro regime.

(2) I did expose Bautista's failure to make sure 65% of the population did not live in squalor.

While praising the Castro regime for making sure 98% of the population DOES live in squalor.

You're just a paid Soros hack, posting communist propaganda with no grasp as to the actual meaning of the words.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Proof, Uncensored? If none for either statement of yours, then it is your silly brain on silly mood.

If we can't muzzle your ultra right loon and libertarian hate, the Dems will be in the majority for good by 2014.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Proof, Uncensored? If none for either statement of yours, then it is your silly brain on silly mood.

Proof of what, Jakematters? Proof that you are mindless hack, posting leftist demagoguery with no regard for fact?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/

If we can't muzzle your ultra right loon and libertarian hate, the Dems will be in the majority for good by 2014.

You seek to muzzle any who would criticize the regime. Your lust for one party rule is consistent with the goals of all totalitarian thugs who preceded you. When will you start demanding that Obama be made president for life, Jakematters?

{Rep. Jose Serrano (D-NY) introduced a House bill to repeal the amendment, apparently so Obama can run for a third term, Twitchy reported Saturday.

Serrano introduced the bill, known as H. J. Res. 15, on Friday, and the proposal has since been referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.

The resolution calls for an amendment to "repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President."}
House Democrat reintroduces bill ending presidential term limits - National Elections | Examiner.com

 

[JakeStarkey]

You have posted no proof of what you accuse me, but you are a foolish, ultra right loon and or libertarian, so all you need is your hate.

We lost this election because people like you drove enough of the good people away from MR.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Cuba could be the richest country outside Mexico in Latin America if Castro was overthrown and they went back to the resorts, casinos, cigar exports, etc.....back when my grandparents spent vacation there enjoying their beautiful island.

Instead the communists destroyed the place with the help of the USSR so that the Soviets could have a military base right off our coast during the Cold War. Cubans got screwed both ways by Castro and the Soviets.

Castro flies other left-wing dictators to his country for the best hospital in the country only for the communist party members, while the masses can't even get car parts for their 1950s cars.

Great job communists....you destroyed a crown jewel that would rake in billions from American trade and tourists.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Cuba could be the richest country outside Mexico in Latin America if Castro was overthrown and they went back to the resorts, casinos, cigar exports, etc.....back when my grandparents spent vacation there enjoying their beautiful island.

Instead the communists destroyed the place with the help of the USSR so that the Soviets could have a military base right off our coast during the Cold War. Cubans got screwed both ways by Castro and the Soviets.

Castro flies other left-wing dictators to his country for the best hospital in the country only for the communist party members, while the masses can't even get car parts for their 1950s cars.

Great job communists....you destroyed a crown jewel that would rake in billions from American trade and tourists.

Lets never forget American liberals spied for Stalin and so made communism possible!! Now they operate quietly through folks like Barry Obama who voted to the left of Bernie Sanders when he was in the Senate.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Going into this i would like to say that i am more on the capitalist end of the spectrum. Though going into this i am generally capitalist knowing the pros and cons of them both may change your own mind. Even though communism was originally a social thing it has also found itself as a government with one man in control. So lets try and picture it with a U.S or near that style democracy.
In essence capitalism is smaller government and communism is huge government. Now before your western instincts tell you to instantly choose capitalism think of the benefits of huge government control in your life.
In communism ideal/original communism everyone is equal. Though it almost never happens that a nation goes completely on the guidelines of a known social policy. Everyone is equal and therefore have the same things to live on and lean on their whole lives. Everyone once again must be equal in society and as a result you lose the right to earn. So in exchange for a lifetime safety net given by the government you give up the ability to earn your way up the ladder. This is because only one social class exist and that is common working class. So you have nothing to look foward to besides that life forever.
It is up to you to decide whether that is a bad or a good thing for you. As a result of this innovation potential is silenced. So is a lifelong safety net really worth losing earning rights and silencing so much potential for innovation?
Now knowing the main gains and losses of communism lets talk about capitalism.
Essentially capitalism is the exact opposite of communism in its original and purest form. In ideal/original capitalism they're is pretty much no government interference in your life. Of course they still have laws as any other nation but if you follow them you are left alone for all of your life. Capitalism is that sweet freedom you taste, love and learn about. In ideal capitalism you can go out and earn it all. You can dream big and dream about the journey there. You can be a bigshot nobody will ever forget. But with that ability to dream big and earn it all you lose that security you had with communism. And if someone earns too much capital they can decide to make everyone else work for dirt cheap money if they choose. They can dominate or without a law from it a monopoly can occur. And if you fail you have nothing to fall back on unless a generous citizen with decent capital decides to help you up.
So is the freedom of capitalism worth the possibility of ending up with nothing?
In conclusion i would like to share my opinion. I belive the risk involved with capitalism is worth the big dreams and potential unlocked that comes with it. People have bigger things to live for and more fuel to live on. Because "the dream" actually exist. In addition to the fact that the world/nation could innovate so much faster.
I would like for you to build an opinion of your own and for you to give me your feedback and for you to discuss amongst youselves.

Have you ever done any research into Karl Marx's real life? Try reading Richard Wurmbrand's book, Marx and Satanism. That book ought to wake you up.

-Jeremiah

 

[JakeStarkey]

Cuba was a piss hole, not a "crown jewel", for 65% of the population in 1958, you moron, and compared tot the industrialized west, the remaining 35% wasn't much, though better than much of Latin America. Not saying much.

I imagine the Cubanos today want to go into the 21st century, and that does not mean unregulated capitalistic exploitation of the country's natural resources by foreigners.

Cuba could be the richest country outside Mexico in Latin America if Castro was overthrown and they went back to the resorts, casinos, cigar exports, etc.....back when my grandparents spent vacation there enjoying their beautiful island.

Instead the communists destroyed the place with the help of the USSR so that the Soviets could have a military base right off our coast during the Cold War. Cubans got screwed both ways by Castro and the Soviets.

Castro flies other left-wing dictators to his country for the best hospital in the country only for the communist party members, while the masses can't even get car parts for their 1950s cars.

Great job communists....you destroyed a crown jewel that would rake in billions from American trade and tourists.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Have you ever done any research into Karl Marx's real life? Try reading Richard Wurmbrand's book, Marx and Satanism. That book ought to wake you up.

-Jeremiah

I've done a great deal of research into Marx. Marx was a Jew, who as is common, rejected religion entirely. Marx not only was NOT a Satanist, he didn't believe that Satan exists. Jews don't hold the view of a physical devil that Christians do.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"As practicing Satanists, Marx and his Jewish cohorts desired, like Satan himself, above all to steal, kill, and destroy, a take as many people to the abyss as ..." is typical cant of some dildos out in loony land.

Marx, a Jew, was an atheist, and in Judaism the presence of Satan was metaphorical, rather than a literal personage.

 

[Misty]

Is communism really that horrible?

Yes!​

 

[francoHFW]

Of COURSE communism sucks, like ALL totalitarian isms. But non Pub Dupe,Cold War Dinosaur, Ugly Americans know socialism is ALWAYS democratic, simply well regulated capitalism with a fair safety net.

But carry on with the brainwashed bullshytte, chumps.

 

[LibertyLemming]

Democracy sucks too.

 

[tooAlive]

Of COURSE communism sucks, like ALL totalitarian isms. But non Pub Dupe,Cold War Dinosaur, Ugly Americans know socialism is ALWAYS democratic, simply well regulated capitalism with a fair safety net.

But carry on with the brainwashed bullshytte, chumps.

Hmm.. Lets see,

Socialism -

1 a: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
2 b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3 a: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Yup. Socialism definitely sounds like a democratic, well regulated version of capitalism.

I supposed you could also call it state-capitalism; since the state profits from the labor of the people, pockets most of it, and lets the people "share" the rest.

 

[tooAlive]

Democracy sucks too.

Some 225 years ago, as an aged Benjamin Franklin departed from the Constitutional Convention of 1787, a woman in the street called out: "Well Doctor Franklin, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" Franklin replied back: "A republic.. if you can keep it".

 

[JakeStarkey]

We the People in a social compact created the Constitution, LL and tooalive.

You can't change it. If you violate it, face the consequences.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Is communism really that horrible?

Yes!​

Sure is. Maybe Nazi Germany or a nation with an unregulated economy would approach communism.