Castro demands Gitmo's return and 100s of millions in reperations

[guno]

Guantánamo , the U.S. government obtained a 99-year lease on the 45 square mile area beginning in 1903. The resulting Cuban-American Treaty established, among other things, that for the purposes of operating naval and coaling stations in Guantánamo, the U.S. had “complete jurisdiction and control” of the area. However, it was also recognized that the Republic of Cuba retained ultimate sovereignty. in 2002 the lease ENDED

 

[guno]

The 99 year lease has expired

Incorrect.

The lease is open ended with no expiration date. ......

Cuban American Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

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Since 1959, the Cuban government has informed the U.S. government that it wants to terminate the lease on Guantánamo. The U.S. has consistently refused this request on the grounds that it requires agreement by both parties.

Alfred-Maurice de Zayas, an American lawyer and professor of international law at the Geneva School of Diplomacy and International Relations, has noted that article 52 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties states, “A treaty is void if its conclusion has been procured by the threat or use of force in violation of the principles of international law embodied in the Charter of the United Nations.”

He also believes that the conditions under which the treaty was imposed on the Cuban National Assembly, particularly as a pre-condition to limited Cuban independence, left Cuba no other choice than to yield to pressure.

A treaty can also be void by virtue of material breach of its provisions, as indicated in article 60 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. According to the original terms of the lease agreement, the Guantánamo Bay territory could only be used for coaling and naval purposes.

However, the use of the Guantánamo facility as an internment camp for Haitian and Cuban refugees — or, even more ominously, as a demonstrated torture center by the U.S. military — indicates a significant breach of that agreement, fully justifying its immediate termination.

 

[Kondor3]

The 99 year lease has expired

Incorrect.

The lease is open ended with no expiration date. ......

Cuban American Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

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Good catch.

"For as long as required" is not the same thing as 99 years.

 

[Moonglow]

It would take an act of Congress to release it..Castro could show us his moxy and take the area by force....if only...

 

[depotoo]

It is a forever lease, not 99 years.

Obama the great negotiator i think he'd better reconsider the reset with the communist dictator..

The Associated Press reported late Wednesday afternoon that the Cuban president demanded that the U.S. return the base at Guantanamo, lift the half-century trade embargo and compensate the island country for damages as a pre-condition to moving forward with re-establishing diplomatic relations.

Castro reportedly told a summit of the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States that the U.S. and Cuba are moving forward in their talks but diplomatic re-engagement wouldn’t make sense “if these problems aren’t resolved.”

Republicans on Capitol Hill are likely to fight any attempt to hand over the base on Guantanamo Bay and the detainee prison facility to the Castro regime. Some already have accused Obama of working with the Cuban government to normalize relations at least partly to fulfill his campaign promise to close the Gitmo prison facility.

That tall order has eluded Obama throughout his two terms as president as Republicans in Congress and unrest in terrorist hot spots in the Middle East and elsewhere have thwarted his plans to transfer detainees from the prison to other countries.

As president and commander-in-chief, Obama has the power to unilaterally change the decades-long agreement with Cuba giving U.S. control over Guantanamo Bay, but the GOP-controlled Congress likely will try to use its power of the purse to prevent any efforts to hand the base back and shutter the prison.

The legally binding agreement between the U.S. and Cuba regarding Guantanamo Bay provides that “so long as the United States of America shall not abandon the said naval station of Guantanamo or the two governments shall not agree to a modification of its present limits, the station shall continue to have the territorial area that it now has.”

Critics cry foul as Castro demands Gitmo s return WashingtonExaminer.com

The 99 year lease has expired

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

The 99 year lease has expired

Incorrect.

The lease is open ended with no expiration date. ......

Cuban American Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

.

That lease was signed with US troops occupying Cuba....the US has broken the lease with its use of Guantanamo as a torture concentration camp...

 

[SwimExpert]

Obama the great negotiator i think he'd better reconsider the reset with the communist dictator..

The Associated Press reported late Wednesday afternoon that the Cuban president demanded that the U.S. return the base at Guantanamo, lift the half-century trade embargo and compensate the island country for damages as a pre-condition to moving forward with re-establishing diplomatic relations.

Castro reportedly told a summit of the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States that the U.S. and Cuba are moving forward in their talks but diplomatic re-engagement wouldn’t make sense “if these problems aren’t resolved.”

Republicans on Capitol Hill are likely to fight any attempt to hand over the base on Guantanamo Bay and the detainee prison facility to the Castro regime. Some already have accused Obama of working with the Cuban government to normalize relations at least partly to fulfill his campaign promise to close the Gitmo prison facility.

That tall order has eluded Obama throughout his two terms as president as Republicans in Congress and unrest in terrorist hot spots in the Middle East and elsewhere have thwarted his plans to transfer detainees from the prison to other countries.

As president and commander-in-chief, Obama has the power to unilaterally change the decades-long agreement with Cuba giving U.S. control over Guantanamo Bay, but the GOP-controlled Congress likely will try to use its power of the purse to prevent any efforts to hand the base back and shutter the prison.

The legally binding agreement between the U.S. and Cuba regarding Guantanamo Bay provides that “so long as the United States of America shall not abandon the said naval station of Guantanamo or the two governments shall not agree to a modification of its present limits, the station shall continue to have the territorial area that it now has.”

Critics cry foul as Castro demands Gitmo s return WashingtonExaminer.com

Next time, choose a non-tabloid source.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

In any case if Cuba retains "the continuance of the ultimate sovereignty of the Republic of Cuba" does it not follow it can terminate a lease....this is just the usual US thieving by force....

 

[blackhawk]

I guess the only question left is how soon till Obama agrees to these demands?

 

[depotoo]

Wrong. No stipulation was made it could not house a prison.

The 99 year lease has expired

Incorrect.

The lease is open ended with no expiration date. ......

Cuban American Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

.

That lease was signed with US troops occupying Cuba....the US has broken the lease with its use of Guantanamo as a torture concentration camp...

 

[Kondor3]

The 99 year lease has expired

Incorrect.

The lease is open ended with no expiration date. ......

Cuban American Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

.

That lease was signed with US troops occupying Cuba...

Si, Senor... that is how we weeeen.

....the US has broken the lease with its use of Guantanamo as a torture concentration camp...

All covered under the aegis of base operations.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Wrong. No stipulation was made it could not house a prison.

The 99 year lease has expired

Incorrect.

The lease is open ended with no expiration date. ......

Cuban American Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

.

That lease was signed with US troops occupying Cuba....the US has broken the lease with its use of Guantanamo as a torture concentration camp...

No it is you that is wrong
The second document,[2] which was signed five months later in July 1903, contains the specification of the land to be leased and the responsibilities of the two parties

1. the annual lease payment of USD$2,000 in U.S. gold coin, as long as the US occupies and uses the areas
2. US to build and maintain fences
3. only for use as a Naval and coaling station

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

The 99 year lease has expired

Incorrect.

The lease is open ended with no expiration date. ......

Cuban American Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

.

That lease was signed with US troops occupying Cuba...

Si, Senor... that is how we weeeen.

....the US has broken the lease with its use of Guantanamo as a torture concentration camp...

All covered under the aegis of base operations.

Can you tell the kin of those killed in wars for the profits of 1 percent that "this is how we ween" on the bodies of your loved ones ...go ahead it will allow you to compensate....

 

[Kondor3]

In any case if Cuba retains "the continuance of the ultimate sovereignty of the Republic of Cuba" does it not follow it can terminate a lease...

No, in this context, it means that when the US decides that it wants out of this open-ended lease, operational control of the property will revert back to Cuba.

...this is just the usual US thieving by force....

True. Fun, ain't it?

 

[depotoo]

ARTICLE III

While on the one hand the United States recognizes the continuance of the ultimate sovereignty of the Republic of Cuba over the above described areas of land and water, on the other hand the Republic of Cuba consents that during the period of the occupation by the United States of said areas under the terms of this agreement the United States shall exercise complete jurisdiction and control over and within said areas with the right to acquire (under conditions to be hereafter agreed upon by the two Governments) for the public purposes of the United States any land or other property therein by purchase or by exercise of eminent domain with full compensation to the owners thereof.

Done in duplicate at Habana, and signed by the President of the

[SEAL] Republic of Cuba this sixteenth day of February, 1903.

T. ESTRADA PALMA

Signed by the President of the United States the twenty-third of February, 1903.

[SEAL] THEODORE ROOSEVELT

 

[Kondor3]

...only for use as a Naval and coaling station

No problem.

The Gitmo detention center is being run under the aegis of US Navy base operations.

There... all fixed.

 

[Kondor3]

The 99 year lease has expired

Incorrect.

The lease is open ended with no expiration date. ......

Cuban American Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

.

That lease was signed with US troops occupying Cuba...

Si, Senor... that is how we weeeen.

....the US has broken the lease with its use of Guantanamo as a torture concentration camp...

All covered under the aegis of base operations.

Can you tell the kin of those killed in wars for the profits of 1 percent that "this is how we ween" on the bodies of your loved ones ...go ahead it will allow you to compensate....

Oh, dearie me... another "I want to buy the world a Coke, and keep it company" flower-power peacenik. Thank you for your feedback.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

The 99 year lease has expired

Incorrect.

The lease is open ended with no expiration date. ......

Cuban American Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

.

That lease was signed with US troops occupying Cuba...

Si, Senor... that is how we weeeen.

....the US has broken the lease with its use of Guantanamo as a torture concentration camp...

All covered under the aegis of base operations.

Can you tell the kin of those killed in wars for the profits of 1 percent that "this is how we ween" on the bodies of your loved ones ...go ahead it will allow you to compensate....

Oh, dearie me... another "I want to buy the world a Coke, and keep it company" flower-power peacenik. Thank you for your feedback.

Another John Wayne compensating Right wing blow hard pretending to be "Mucho macho" hey how about a nice cold bottle of "Right wing yellow belly" wash ...that would be right at home in your fake manhood belly pouch...and have a nice day there pudding

 

[depotoo]

My oh my, did it rub you wrong seeing yourself accurately described?

Incorrect.

The lease is open ended with no expiration date. ......

Cuban American Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

.

That lease was signed with US troops occupying Cuba...

Si, Senor... that is how we weeeen.

....the US has broken the lease with its use of Guantanamo as a torture concentration camp...

All covered under the aegis of base operations.

Can you tell the kin of those killed in wars for the profits of 1 percent that "this is how we ween" on the bodies of your loved ones ...go ahead it will allow you to compensate....

Oh, dearie me... another "I want to buy the world a Coke, and keep it company" flower-power peacenik. Thank you for your feedback.

Another John Wayne compensating Right wing blow hard pretending to be "Mucho macho" hey how about a nice cold bottle of "Right wing yellow belly" wash ...that would be right at home in your fake manhood belly pouch...and have a nice day there pudding

 

[Ravi]

Obama the great negotiator i think he'd better reconsider the reset with the communist dictator..

The Associated Press reported late Wednesday afternoon that the Cuban president demanded that the U.S. return the base at Guantanamo, lift the half-century trade embargo and compensate the island country for damages as a pre-condition to moving forward with re-establishing diplomatic relations.

Castro reportedly told a summit of the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States that the U.S. and Cuba are moving forward in their talks but diplomatic re-engagement wouldn’t make sense “if these problems aren’t resolved.”

Republicans on Capitol Hill are likely to fight any attempt to hand over the base on Guantanamo Bay and the detainee prison facility to the Castro regime. Some already have accused Obama of working with the Cuban government to normalize relations at least partly to fulfill his campaign promise to close the Gitmo prison facility.

That tall order has eluded Obama throughout his two terms as president as Republicans in Congress and unrest in terrorist hot spots in the Middle East and elsewhere have thwarted his plans to transfer detainees from the prison to other countries.

As president and commander-in-chief, Obama has the power to unilaterally change the decades-long agreement with Cuba giving U.S. control over Guantanamo Bay, but the GOP-controlled Congress likely will try to use its power of the purse to prevent any efforts to hand the base back and shutter the prison.

The legally binding agreement between the U.S. and Cuba regarding Guantanamo Bay provides that “so long as the United States of America shall not abandon the said naval station of Guantanamo or the two governments shall not agree to a modification of its present limits, the station shall continue to have the territorial area that it now has.”

Critics cry foul as Castro demands Gitmo s return WashingtonExaminer.com

The 99 year lease has expired

It wasn't a 99 year lease. It is a perpetual lease. And if Cuba want compensation, they can cash the rent checks they've avoided cashing for decades.