Chomsky makes first Gaza visit

[georgephillip]

As usual, you are qrong. I abhor the needless deaths of any innocent people. Israel certainly has some long standing issues that need to be resolved fairly for all concerned.

However, the way the Palestinians are going about it is flat out wrong. It hasn't worked for the 50 years they've been trying to get it to work and it won't work till a new Saladin comes along and unites them all.

Even then it is doubtful if it would work. Meir had it right when she said "until they love their children more than they hate us, we shall never have peace in the Middle East".

Golda might have been correct had she offered peace instead of war and expansionism...You create a virtual prison for the elected government...blocks to freedom in the West Bank and expect love in return?

Israel will never win a moral argument on planet earth as the polls show...this war has created hate on both sides because it suits the politics of both right wing Israelis and complicit Arabs.

The UN needs to create a viable Palestinian state.

All they have to do is enforce international law and UN resolutions.

Conflict over. Problem solved.

There's still a really big nuclear-tipped "prime obstacle" when it comes to enforcing international law in the Occupied Territories:

"Since the issue of Palestinian national rights in a Palestinian state reached the agenda of diplomacy in the mid-1970s, 'the prime obstacle to its realization', unambiguously, has been the US government, with the NYT staking a claim to be second on the list.

"That has been clear ever since January 1976, when Syria introduced a resolution to the UN Security Council calling for a two-state settlement. The resolution incorporated the crucial wording of UN 242 -- the basic document, all agree.

"It accorded to Israel the rights of any state in the international system, alongside of a Palestinian state in the territories Israel had conquered in 1967.

"The resolution was vetoed by the US. It was supported by the leading Arab states. Arafat's PLO condemned 'the tyranny of the veto'. There were some abstentions on technicalities."

Reshaping History, by Noam Chomsky

As long as there is more profit in war than in peace, conflicts like Israel-Palestine will be more u$eful to economic elite$ than international law or universal morality.

 

[georgephillip]

Chomsky has a brief article summing up his impressions from his first trip to "the world's largest open-air prison, where some 1.5 million people on a roughly 140-square mile strip of land are subject to random terror and arbitrary punishment, with no other purpose than to humiliate and degrade."

"Gaza has the look of a Third World country, with pockets of wealth surrounded by hideous poverty. It is not, however, undeveloped. Rather it is 'de-developed,' and very systematically so, to borrow the term from Sara Roy, the leading academic specialist on Gaza.

"The Gaza Strip could have become a prosperous Mediterranean region, with rich agriculture and a flourishing fishing industry, marvelous beaches and, as discovered a decade ago, good prospects for extensive natural gas supplies within its territorial waters.

"By coincidence or not, that's when Israel intensified its naval blockade.

"The favorable prospects were aborted in 1948, when the Strip had to absorb a flood of Palestinian refugees who fled in terror or were forcefully expelled from what became Israel – in some cases months after the formal cease-fire.

"Israel's 1967 conquests and their aftermath administered further blows, with terrible crimes continuing to the present day.

"The signs are easy to see, even on a brief visit. Sitting in a hotel near the shore, one can hear the machine-gun fire of Israeli gunboats driving fishermen out of Gaza's territorial waters and toward land, forcing them to fish in waters that are heavily polluted because of U.S.-Israeli refusal to allow reconstruction of the sewage and power systems they destroyed."

Noam Chomsky: My Visit to Gaza, the World's Largest Open-Air Prison

 

[irosie91]

Gaza has the look of a Third World country, with pockets of wealth surrounded by hideous poverty

<<< typical condition of shariah shit holes since the career of the rapist pig. There are pockets of hideous poverty even in oil rich saudi arabia. Pockets of WEALTH in gaza-------ever read that in the islamo nazi pig literature? well----no------it is not nice to mention it while flotillas bring crayons to the desperate kids

 

[Jroc]

Chomsky has a brief article summing up his impressions from his first trip to "the world's largest open-air prison, where some 1.5 million people on a roughly 140-square mile strip of land are subject to random terror and arbitrary punishment, with no other purpose than to humiliate and degrade."

"Gaza has the look of a Third World country, with pockets of wealth surrounded by hideous poverty. It is not, however, undeveloped. Rather it is 'de-developed,' and very systematically so, to borrow the term from Sara Roy, the leading academic specialist on Gaza.

"The Gaza Strip could have become a prosperous Mediterranean region, with rich agriculture and a flourishing fishing industry, marvelous beaches and, as discovered a decade ago, good prospects for extensive natural gas supplies within its territorial waters.

"By coincidence or not, that's when Israel intensified its naval blockade.

"The favorable prospects were aborted in 1948, when the Strip had to absorb a flood of Palestinian refugees who fled in terror or were forcefully expelled from what became Israel &#8211; in some cases months after the formal cease-fire.

"Israel's 1967 conquests and their aftermath administered further blows, with terrible crimes continuing to the present day.

"The signs are easy to see, even on a brief visit. Sitting in a hotel near the shore, one can hear the machine-gun fire of Israeli gunboats driving fishermen out of Gaza's territorial waters and toward land, forcing them to fish in waters that are heavily polluted because of U.S.-Israeli refusal to allow reconstruction of the sewage and power systems they destroyed."

Noam Chomsky: My Visit to Gaza, the World's Largest Open-Air Prison

Gaza could have been something after all the Jews were removed the Arabs could have made something of that place, but they chose otherwise. The muslim fundamentalist, terrorist group Hamas took power which resulted in the shithole they have there now. Sad really but they have nobody to blame but themselves

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Chomsky has a brief article summing up his impressions from his first trip to "the world's largest open-air prison, where some 1.5 million people on a roughly 140-square mile strip of land are subject to random terror and arbitrary punishment, with no other purpose than to humiliate and degrade."

"Gaza has the look of a Third World country, with pockets of wealth surrounded by hideous poverty. It is not, however, undeveloped. Rather it is 'de-developed,' and very systematically so, to borrow the term from Sara Roy, the leading academic specialist on Gaza.

"The Gaza Strip could have become a prosperous Mediterranean region, with rich agriculture and a flourishing fishing industry, marvelous beaches and, as discovered a decade ago, good prospects for extensive natural gas supplies within its territorial waters.

"By coincidence or not, that's when Israel intensified its naval blockade.

"The favorable prospects were aborted in 1948, when the Strip had to absorb a flood of Palestinian refugees who fled in terror or were forcefully expelled from what became Israel – in some cases months after the formal cease-fire.

"Israel's 1967 conquests and their aftermath administered further blows, with terrible crimes continuing to the present day.

"The signs are easy to see, even on a brief visit. Sitting in a hotel near the shore, one can hear the machine-gun fire of Israeli gunboats driving fishermen out of Gaza's territorial waters and toward land, forcing them to fish in waters that are heavily polluted because of U.S.-Israeli refusal to allow reconstruction of the sewage and power systems they destroyed."

Noam Chomsky: My Visit to Gaza, the World's Largest Open-Air Prison

Gaza could have been something after all the Jews were removed the Arabs could have made something of that place, but they chose otherwise. The muslim fundamentalist, terrorist group Hamas took power which resulted in the shithole they have there now. Sad really but they have nobody to blame but themselves

Or Israel sanctioned the PA and blockaded the Gaza Strip. I'll go with the facts.

 

[Jroc]

Chomsky has a brief article summing up his impressions from his first trip to "the world's largest open-air prison, where some 1.5 million people on a roughly 140-square mile strip of land are subject to random terror and arbitrary punishment, with no other purpose than to humiliate and degrade."

"Gaza has the look of a Third World country, with pockets of wealth surrounded by hideous poverty. It is not, however, undeveloped. Rather it is 'de-developed,' and very systematically so, to borrow the term from Sara Roy, the leading academic specialist on Gaza.

"The Gaza Strip could have become a prosperous Mediterranean region, with rich agriculture and a flourishing fishing industry, marvelous beaches and, as discovered a decade ago, good prospects for extensive natural gas supplies within its territorial waters.

"By coincidence or not, that's when Israel intensified its naval blockade.

"The favorable prospects were aborted in 1948, when the Strip had to absorb a flood of Palestinian refugees who fled in terror or were forcefully expelled from what became Israel – in some cases months after the formal cease-fire.

"Israel's 1967 conquests and their aftermath administered further blows, with terrible crimes continuing to the present day.

"The signs are easy to see, even on a brief visit. Sitting in a hotel near the shore, one can hear the machine-gun fire of Israeli gunboats driving fishermen out of Gaza's territorial waters and toward land, forcing them to fish in waters that are heavily polluted because of U.S.-Israeli refusal to allow reconstruction of the sewage and power systems they destroyed."

Noam Chomsky: My Visit to Gaza, the World's Largest Open-Air Prison

Gaza could have been something after all the Jews were removed the Arabs could have made something of that place, but they chose otherwise. The muslim fundamentalist, terrorist group Hamas took power which resulted in the shithole they have there now. Sad really but they have nobody to blame but themselves

Or Israel sanctioned the PA and blockaded the Gaza Strip. I'll go with the facts.

The fact is if the Arabs would have done something good with that place, show the world what could be done there may have been some reason for peace, but there is none. muslim society is a dysfunctional society, they can't even stop killing each other

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Gaza could have been something after all the Jews were removed the Arabs could have made something of that place, but they chose otherwise. The muslim fundamentalist, terrorist group Hamas took power which resulted in the shithole they have there now. Sad really but they have nobody to blame but themselves

Or Israel sanctioned the PA and blockaded the Gaza Strip. I'll go with the facts.

The fact is if the Arabs would have done something good with that place, show the world what could be done there may have been some reason for peace, but there is none. muslim society is a dysfunctional society, they can't even stop killing each other

No, the fact is Israel sanctioned and blockaded Gaza. And shut down its economy leaving the city on the brink of collapse.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Chomsky has a brief article summing up his impressions from his first trip to "the world's largest open-air prison, where some 1.5 million people on a roughly 140-square mile strip of land are subject to random terror and arbitrary punishment, with no other purpose than to humiliate and degrade."

"Gaza has the look of a Third World country, with pockets of wealth surrounded by hideous poverty. It is not, however, undeveloped. Rather it is 'de-developed,' and very systematically so, to borrow the term from Sara Roy, the leading academic specialist on Gaza.

"The Gaza Strip could have become a prosperous Mediterranean region, with rich agriculture and a flourishing fishing industry, marvelous beaches and, as discovered a decade ago, good prospects for extensive natural gas supplies within its territorial waters.

"By coincidence or not, that's when Israel intensified its naval blockade.

"The favorable prospects were aborted in 1948, when the Strip had to absorb a flood of Palestinian refugees who fled in terror or were forcefully expelled from what became Israel – in some cases months after the formal cease-fire.

"Israel's 1967 conquests and their aftermath administered further blows, with terrible crimes continuing to the present day.

"The signs are easy to see, even on a brief visit. Sitting in a hotel near the shore, one can hear the machine-gun fire of Israeli gunboats driving fishermen out of Gaza's territorial waters and toward land, forcing them to fish in waters that are heavily polluted because of U.S.-Israeli refusal to allow reconstruction of the sewage and power systems they destroyed."

Noam Chomsky: My Visit to Gaza, the World's Largest Open-Air Prison

Gaza could have been something after all the Jews were removed the Arabs could have made something of that place, but they chose otherwise. The muslim fundamentalist, terrorist group Hamas took power which resulted in the shithole they have there now. Sad really but they have nobody to blame but themselves

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5BDwEW6uw]Laila El-Haddad, Journalist, Author, Gaza Mom-The Autograph-09-21-2011 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Jroc]

Or Israel sanctioned the PA and blockaded the Gaza Strip. I'll go with the facts.

The fact is if the Arabs would have done something good with that place, show the world what could be done there may have been some reason for peace, but there is none. muslim society is a dysfunctional society, they can't even stop killing each other

No, the fact is Israel sanctioned and blockaded Gaza. And shut down its economy leaving the city on the brink of collapse.

You mean after the terrorist took over?

 

[kvetch]

The fact is if the Arabs would have done something good with that place, show the world what could be done there may have been some reason for peace, but there is none. muslim society is a dysfunctional society, they can't even stop killing each other

No, the fact is Israel sanctioned and blockaded Gaza. And shut down its economy leaving the city on the brink of collapse.

You mean after the terrorist took over?

jroc is telling half the truth only

tinnie and I know are telling the more important half

why can't you see the truth in what tinnie and I know are saying, jroc?

and vice versa

when both sides just blame each other and take no responsibility at all

nothing can ever change

 

[P F Tinmore]

No, the fact is Israel sanctioned and blockaded Gaza. And shut down its economy leaving the city on the brink of collapse.

You mean after the terrorist took over?

jroc is telling half the truth only

tinnie and I know are telling the more important half

why can't you see the truth in what tinnie and I know are saying, jroc?

and vice versa

when both sides just blame each other and take no responsibility at all

nothing can ever change

When stumped for an answer, play the terrorist card.

 

[irosie91]

what is "the terrorist" card? ---oh ---now I remember-----that FALSE CLAIM that the Twin Towers in New York City were bombed for the glory of allah

 

[georgephillip]

Gaza has the look of a Third World country, with pockets of wealth surrounded by hideous poverty

<<< typical condition of shariah shit holes since the career of the rapist pig. There are pockets of hideous poverty even in oil rich saudi arabia. Pockets of WEALTH in gaza-------ever read that in the islamo nazi pig literature? well----no------it is not nice to mention it while flotillas bring crayons to the desperate kids

There's no shortage of hideous wealth or poverty pockets in the US of A, either.
Maybe the rich are the problem everywhere?

 

[georgephillip]

Chomsky has a brief article summing up his impressions from his first trip to "the world's largest open-air prison, where some 1.5 million people on a roughly 140-square mile strip of land are subject to random terror and arbitrary punishment, with no other purpose than to humiliate and degrade."

"Gaza has the look of a Third World country, with pockets of wealth surrounded by hideous poverty. It is not, however, undeveloped. Rather it is 'de-developed,' and very systematically so, to borrow the term from Sara Roy, the leading academic specialist on Gaza.

"The Gaza Strip could have become a prosperous Mediterranean region, with rich agriculture and a flourishing fishing industry, marvelous beaches and, as discovered a decade ago, good prospects for extensive natural gas supplies within its territorial waters.

"By coincidence or not, that's when Israel intensified its naval blockade.

"The favorable prospects were aborted in 1948, when the Strip had to absorb a flood of Palestinian refugees who fled in terror or were forcefully expelled from what became Israel &#8211; in some cases months after the formal cease-fire.

"Israel's 1967 conquests and their aftermath administered further blows, with terrible crimes continuing to the present day.

"The signs are easy to see, even on a brief visit. Sitting in a hotel near the shore, one can hear the machine-gun fire of Israeli gunboats driving fishermen out of Gaza's territorial waters and toward land, forcing them to fish in waters that are heavily polluted because of U.S.-Israeli refusal to allow reconstruction of the sewage and power systems they destroyed."

Noam Chomsky: My Visit to Gaza, the World's Largest Open-Air Prison

Gaza could have been something after all the Jews were removed the Arabs could have made something of that place, but they chose otherwise. The muslim fundamentalist, terrorist group Hamas took power which resulted in the shithole they have there now. Sad really but they have nobody to blame but themselves

"...Hamas took power" how exactly?

"The Oslo Accords, celebrated with much pomp in 1993, determined that Gaza and the West Bank are a single territorial entity. By that time, the U.S. and Israel had already initiated their program to separate Gaza and the West Bank, so as to block a diplomatic settlement and punish the Araboushim in both territories.

"Punishment of Gazans became still more severe in January 2006, when they committed a major crime: They voted the 'wrong way' in the first free election in the Arab world, electing Hamas.

Noam Chomsky: My Visit to Gaza, the World's Largest Open-Air Prison

 

[georgephillip]

what is "the terrorist" card? ---oh ---now I remember-----that FALSE CLAIM that the Twin Towers in New York City were bombed for the glory of allah

The TRUE EXPLANATION for how two planes COLLAPSED THREE steel-framed skyscrapers includes the THOUSANDS of US troops stationed on Arab soil and the additional THOUSANDS of Arab children murdered by US air power in Iraq in 1991.

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Zionist political violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Jroc]

No, the fact is Israel sanctioned and blockaded Gaza. And shut down its economy leaving the city on the brink of collapse.

You mean after the terrorist took over?

jroc is telling half the truth only

tinnie and I know are telling the more important half

why can't you see the truth in what tinnie and I know are saying, jroc?

and vice versa

when both sides just blame each other and take no responsibility at all

nothing can ever change

muslims should take responsiblity for own dysfunctionalism follow this man's...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P35E31THd8]Zuhdi Jasser - Oslo Freedom Forum 2010 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Jews should take responsibility for their own disfunctionyalism follow this mans.....

 

[Jroc]

Finkelstein is the worst kind of scum. You compare him with a patriot like Zudi Jasser? You're a joke

Born in December 1953 to parents who had survived the Nazi Holocaust in Europe, Norman Finkelstein is a political scientist specializing in the Arab-Israeli conflict. After graduating from Binghamton University in New York, he went on to earn a doctorate in political science at Princeton. He has been a faculty member at Brooklyn College, Rutgers University, Hunter College, New York University, and most recently, DePaul University, where he was an Assistant Professor from 2001 to 2007. When he was recruited by DePaul, he had recently been fired from two New York-area adjunct teaching jobs (NYU and Hunter College) because of his pseudo-scholarship and rantings against Jews and Israel. In June 2007, Finkelstein was denied tenure at DePaul and was placed on administrative leave for the 2007-2008 academic year.


Professor Finkelstein is a disciple of the discredited historian and Holocaust denier David Irving, whom he considers an authoritative scholar. Finkelstein refers to the six million Jews murdered by the Nazis as the &#8220;Six Million&#8221; in quotation marks, and says that nearly every self-identified Holocaust survivor is a fake, a thief, and a liar. In an interview with the German paper, Die Welt, he said: &#8220;Not only does the 'Six Million' figure become more untenable but the numbers of the Holocaust industry are rapidly approaching those of Holocaust deniers. . . . Indeed, the field of Holocaust studies is replete with nonsense if not sheer fraud.&#8221;

In a January 2008 interview on a Lebanese television station, Finkelstein (who very recently had met with Hezbollah leaders) said this about Hezbollah:

"I was of course happy to meet with the Hezbollah people ... And I have no problem saying that I do want to express solidarity with them ... People have the right to defend their country from foreign occupiers, and people have the right to defend their country from invaders who are destroying their country.... There is no way that the United States and Israel are going to tolerate any resistance in the Arab world.... Israel is determined, with the United States, to put the Arabs in their place and to keep them in their place.... Israel and the United States are attacking, because they will not allow any military resistance to their control of the region.... If Hezbollah laid down its arms and said, 'We will do whatever the Americans say,' you wouldn't have a war -- that's true. But you'd also be the slaves of the Americans. I have to respect those who refuse to be slaves.... There will [someday] be a leader who comes into power in Israel, who is willing to make the concessions, after the conditions have been created -- namely, Israel has to suffer a defeat."

Norman Finkelstein - Discover the Networks

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Worst kind of scum? .......

Finkelstein is someone we need.