Zone1 Christian Artist Amy Grant Hosting LGBT Wedding

Animals and children do not have the power to consent,
And if a court says otherwise you will be left holding the bag while the rest of libdom moves on

Your side is already arguing that children are entitled to rights as adults when it comes to having a sex change

Its only a matter of time before a lib judge rules that they have the right to consent to the sex act itself
 
With all due respect, who said we we were? A sin is a sin. One sin doesn't have more value than another one. Unless of course we're talking about the unforgiveable sin which is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Sin and its punishments are not for you to decide are they?

If people sin aren't you still supposed to love them?

You Christians are all about forgiving murderers , rapist and child abusing priests but for some reason the gay sin is the one you just don't tolerate.
 
Many errant Christians have been deceived about what the Bible says concerning homosexuality and Jesus's stance on the subject..

Jesus was a Rabbi (teacher) and taught the Torah (OT) laws.
He said the Torah was perfect and unchanging.
The Torah law Jesus taught the people says:
Leviticus 18:22:
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
(also)
Leviticus 20:13:
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.
(by put to death, meant stoning)
So true. Many people seem to perceive Jesus to be like what they consider a modern, model Christian to be. But he wasn't. He was a Jew. He preached the Torah, abided by the Torah, and was the living embodiment of the Torah. For him to say, or do anything that contradicted the Torah would be self defeating. It would make him a fraud.
 
Using your logic, if same sex fornication is ok why not allow libs to have sex with animals or little boys?

If society has no right to judge then every sin must be accepted
Full grown adults understand what they are doing unlike animals and children.
 
A wedding celebrates the union of two people.

That’s it.
The problem among the faithful is that the words 'wedding' and 'marriage' now include something that is not holy. Holy words were taken and used for what is not holy. For many, it no longer defines the holy/Biblical part of wedding/marriage.

A simple solution is that since gays and transgenders want the words wedding and marriage, let it be. It is up to those who mourn the loss of the Biblical meaning to begin using other words.

For example, can gays and transgenders accept the word 'nuptials' as the ceremony uniting a man and a woman and the word 'marītāre' (from the Latin etymology) as the word used to describe the union of a man and a woman after their nuptials? Can we respect the holy ground of others?
 
Nope, because I don’t it is important, but if you are going to take stance on sin, why just one and it has only been that one?




Does sin matter?




No, I get what you are saying, but it rips open the whole hypocrisy of the “we will not serve gays” movement.

It is like the pizza guy who refused to provide pizza to a meal for a same sex wedding. It is easy to look up in online public records to see if one is divorced or has out of wedlock kids. But they don’t. No one even says anything. In fact, no other sin garners that level of social animosity.

Part of my issue is that “religious rights” have been stretched so thin they intrude on individual rights. Opposing same sex weddings is no different than what was once a strong religious opposition to interracial marriage. If you live in a conservative town in a red state…with no more public accommodation laws…will find you find anyone willing to be your wedding planner, rent you a venue, take photographs, cater? Expand that housing and jobs, all could be (and have been) denied. What happened to your rights for equal treatment?

It is that sin because we are not only being asked to accept it, but celebrate it.

To some extent this is also true of divorce (until you talk to the children of divorce). However apply that to adultery, theft, greed, etc. Pretty universally acknowledged that these things are bad. Christians think so. So do non-Christians.

You hear us speak up again SSM not because it's particularly vile, but because we are DEMANDED to accept it
 
The problem among the faithful is that the words 'wedding' and 'marriage' now include something that is not holy. Holy words were taken and used for what is not holy. For many, it no longer defines the holy/Biblical part of wedding/marriage.

A simple solution is that since gays and transgenders want the words wedding and marriage, let it be. It is up to those who mourn the loss of the Biblical meaning to begin using other words.

For example, can gays and transgenders accept the word 'nuptials' as the ceremony uniting a man and a woman and the word 'marītāre' (from the Latin etymology) as the word used to describe the union of a man and a woman after their nuptials? Can we respect the holy ground of others?
Marriage has deep cultural meaning as a term … it transcends a religion or a word’s etymology. That is why, imo, civil union has never taken off. I think we need to accept that the definition of marriage has grown and move on.

With that said, are there other ways to respect the holy ground of others with diminishing what some regard as a sacred union outside the confines of any one religion?
 
It is that sin because we are not only being asked to accept it, but celebrate it.

To some extent this is also true of divorce (until you talk to the children of divorce). However apply that to adultery, theft, greed, etc. Pretty universally acknowledged that these things are bad. Christians think so. So do non-Christians.

You hear us speak up again SSM not because it's particularly vile, but because we are DEMANDED to accept it
Going to a wedding or giving a gift is celebrating it. Selling a product to be used in a wedding isn’t celebrating anything. You know nothing about the character of the people, as you say you don’t know if they adulterers etc.

I don’t see that you are being demanded to accept something as provide a service equally.
 
I couldn't care less whether Christians vote or not. However if they come onto a forum like this and want to participate in discussions, they're going to get a discussion and not the whole "I'll tell you whatever you want to hear because you're a "snowflake" who can't cope with other people's opinions"
Not afraid of a discussion but the fact is you can't understand because the Prince Of ithe world blinds your eyes.
 
It is that sin because we are not only being asked to accept it, but celebrate it.

To some extent this is also true of divorce (until you talk to the children of divorce). However apply that to adultery, theft, greed, etc. Pretty universally acknowledged that these things are bad. Christians think so. So do non-Christians.

You hear us speak up again SSM not because it's particularly vile, but because we are DEMANDED to accept it
No one is asking you to celebrate it. You don't have to celebrate it.

Other peoples' sins and their punishments are not your purview are they?

So just ignore it and leave other people alone.
 
Marriage has deep cultural meaning as a term … it transcends a religion or a word’s etymology. That is why, imo, civil union has never taken off. I think we need to accept that the definition of marriage has grown and move on.

With that said, are there other ways to respect the holy ground of others with diminishing what some regard as a sacred union outside the confines of any one religion?
As far as the state is concerned marriage is nothing but a property contract.
 
public library's issue disclaimers for all their events ... including whether children (mac-7) should attend their optional events.

Well sure

Nobody suggested that the libs were holding children at gunpoint to watch the show

But it is the library embracing drag queen sex change perversion and flaunting it to the public including children
 

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