Christianity creates violence

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The origins of the fundamental reciprocal relationship between physical violence and physical pleasure can be traced to philosophical dualism and to the theology of body/soul relationships. In Western philosophical thought man was not a unitary being but was divided into two parts, body and soul. The Greek philosophical conception of the relationship between body and soul was quite different than the Judeo-Christian concept which posited a state of war between the body and soul. Within Judeo-Christian thought the purpose of human life was to save the soul, and the body was seen as an impediment to achieving this objective. Consequently, the body must be punished and deprived. In St. Paul's words: "Put to death the base pursuits of the body—for if you live according to the flesh, you shall die: but if by the spirit you mortify the deeds of the flesh, you shall live" (Romans 8:13). St. Paul clearly advocated somatosensory pleasure deprivation and enhancement of painful somatosensory stimulation as essential prerequisites for saving the soul.

"Now concerning the things whereof you wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman" (1 Corinthians, 7:1).

Aristotle did not view a state of war between the body and soul, but rather envisioned a complimentary relationship in which the state of the soul or mind was dependent on the state of the body. In fact he stated that "the care of the body ought to precede that of the soul." (Politica)

Aristotle also appreciated the reciprocal relationship between pleasure and pain, and recognized that a compulsive search for bodily pleasure originates from a state of bodily discomfort and pain:

Now, excess is possible in the case of the goods of the body, and it is the pursuit of excess, but not the pursuit of necessary pleasures, that makes a man bad. For all men get some kind of enjoyment from good food, wine, and sexual relations, but not everyone enjoys these things in the proper way. The reverse is true of pain: a bad person does not avoid an excess of it, but he avoids it altogether. For the opposite of an excess is pain only for the man who pursues the excess. . . .

Accordingly, we must now explain why the pleasures of the body appear to be more desirable. The first reason, then, is that pleasure drives out pain. When men experience an excess of pain, they pursue excessive pleasure and bodily pleasure in general, in the belief that it will remedy the pain. These remedial (pleasures) become very intense—and that is the very reason why they are pursued because they are experienced in contrast with their opposite. (Nichomachean Ethics, Book 7)

In his discussion of the highest good, Aristotle was quite explicit:

"Therefore, the highest good is some sort of pleasure, despite the fact that most pleasures are bad, and, if you like, bad in the unqualified sense of the word." (Nichomachean Ethics, Book 7)

It is evident that the Judeo-Christian concept of body pleasure is quite the opposite of that outlined by Aristotle, particularly, the relief of body pain and discomfort through somatosensory pleasure. This denial of somatosensory pleasure in Pauline Christian doctrine has led to alternative forms of 'relief' through such painful stimulations as hair-shirts, self-scourgings, self-mutilations, physical violence against others, and in the non-sensory pleasures of drugs.

Experimental animal studies have documented counterparts to these phenomena. For example, animals deprived of somatosensory stimulation will engage in mutilations of their own bodies. Animals deprived of touching early in life develop impaired pain perception and an aversion to being touched by others. They are thus blocked from experiencing the body-pleasure therapy that they need for rehabilitation. In this condition, they have few alternatives but physical violence, where pain-oriented touching and body contact is facilitated by their impaired ability to experience pain. Thus, physical violence and physical pain become therapies of choice for those deprived of physical pleasure.

The question arises as to how Christian philosophy and theology, which borrowed heavily from Aristotle, managed to avoid, if not outright reject, Aristotle's teachings regarding the morality of pleasure. The roots to this question can be found throughout the Old Testament, beginning with the account in Genesis of the expulsion of Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden. The first consequence of Eve's transgression was that nudity became shameful. This even may well be the beginning of man's hostility toward women and the equating of woman with evil, particularly the evils of the body. This is vividly portrayed in Zechariah (5:5-8) in an angel's description of the flying bushel:

"This is a bushel container coming. This is their guilt in all the land." Then a leaden cover was lifted and there was a woman sitting inside the bushel. "This is wickedness, he said, and he thrust her inside the bushel, pushing the leaden cover into the opening."

Violence against sexuality and the use of sexuality for violence, particularly against women, has very deep roots in Biblical tradition, and is spelled out very early. The nineteenth chapter of Genesis (19:1-11), the first book of the Old Testament, holds that the rape of woman is acceptable but the rape of man is "a wicked thing." This chapter about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah describes Lot's hospitality to two male travelers (actually two angels) who were housed with him. "
Article Body Pleasure and the Origins of Violence

Bit of a read, and this is just the excerpt, but worth-while.
 
There was violence BEFORE Christianity. There has been much violence AGAINST Christians and Christianity. And there is violence where Christianity is ABSENT (Jews vs. Muslims, etc.). Your OP is based on a false premise (at least the title is).

I have been a Christian since 1985. I have never struck, maimed, or killed another human being or animal in all of that time.
 
Nonsense. Violence pre-dates Christianity and Christianity has no greater history of violence than any other religion. There is no great philosophical reason for violence. Human beings commit violence because human beings are violent. We are a pack animal and territorial. Violence and sexuality are connected because the one primary urge built into everyone of us is the need to continue our genetic line - or to be more specific - continue my genetic line rather than your genetic line. If you want to understand human violence, then take a look at what happens to the kittens when a new dominant male cat takes over a pack.
 
You both didn't read the material clearly.

If the material is a defense of the title then there's no need to read the material. The title is the bold claim -- all else falls under the title. I've read the New Covenant Scriptures many times over and over a long period of time. Christianity does NOT call for or "create" violence. Period!! That's not to say that Christ, Himself, won't return and do some house-cleaning but He reserves that privilege for Himself.
 
You both didn't read the material clearly.

If the material is a defense of the title then there's no need to read the material. The title is the bold claim -- all else falls under the title. I've read the New Covenant Scriptures many times over and over a long period of time. Christianity does NOT call for or "create" violence. Period!! That's not to say that Christ, Himself, won't return and do some house-cleaning but He reserves that privilege for Himself.

See. The body proves the title.
 
You both didn't read the material clearly.

If the material is a defense of the title then there's no need to read the material. The title is the bold claim -- all else falls under the title. I've read the New Covenant Scriptures many times over and over a long period of time. Christianity does NOT call for or "create" violence. Period!! That's not to say that Christ, Himself, won't return and do some house-cleaning but He reserves that privilege for Himself.

See. The body proves the title.

No it doesn't. You said that "Christianity" creates violence. That simply isn't true. I've known many folks who lived violent lives but became peaceful and productive individuals when they converted to Christianity. So your premise is still false.

We could just as easily attribute violence to many other religions. Judaism has shown itself to be violent. Islam has proven to be violent. Atheism under Stalin and others can be quite violent. Chinese Buddhists have behaved violently in past history. And the list goes on.
 
Read it. Don't read it. Remain ignorant. Alleviate ignorance. Entirely up to you. Submitted for your consideration, not your approval.
 
Violence is a result of the Fall.
Nonsense. But even if we accept that as true, your gawds predefined the "fall"
Violence is a result of the Fall.
Nonsense. But even if you wish to blame your gawds for your lack of morality, at least acknowledge that, according to the tales and fables, your gawds never gave A&E either the ability to make a considered choice nor did he bother to tell them the consequences of their choice would extend to every person born after them.

So, cheer up, according to the christian myths, if you want to understand the roots of evil and violence, it can be summed up by The Gawds Did It.
 
Let's see here:

Jesus -- "You have learnt how it was said: 'Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.' But I say to you, Offer the wicked man no resistance. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also; if a man takes you to law and would have your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone orders you to go one mile, go two miles with him."


Mohammad -- “when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.”


any questions?
 
Violence is a result of the Fall.
Nonsense. But even if we accept that as true, your gawds predefined the "fall"
Violence is a result of the Fall.
Nonsense. But even if you wish to blame your gawds for your lack of morality, at least acknowledge that, according to the tales and fables, your gawds never gave A&E either the ability to make a considered choice nor did he bother to tell them the consequences of their choice would extend to every person born after them.

So, cheer up, according to the christian myths, if you want to understand the roots of evil and violence, it can be summed up by The Gawds Did It.

More senseless and violent deaths can be attributed to Godless atheists than to any others.
 
Read it. Don't read it. Remain ignorant. Alleviate ignorance. Entirely up to you. Submitted for your consideration, not your approval.

Text-proofing Scripture to find a few verses that present an adverse view of sexual practice or conduct, while ignoring a myriad of verses that tell of its rightness and beauty--and then using the few cherry-picked verses to conclude, "Christianity creates violence" isn't a good display of logic.

There is much more to Christianity than sexual mores. Violence exists outside of Christianity or any religion. For me a more interesting question or quest would be to determine whether or not Christianity encourages violence already present, mitigates violence that may otherwise have come about, or has no effect at all on violence.
 
"Religious Roots

The origins of the fundamental reciprocal relationship between physical violence and physical pleasure can be traced to philosophical dualism and to the theology of body/soul relationships. In Western philosophical thought man was not a unitary being but was divided into two parts, body and soul. The Greek philosophical conception of the relationship between body and soul was quite different than the Judeo-Christian concept which posited a state of war between the body and soul. Within Judeo-Christian thought the purpose of human life was to save the soul, and the body was seen as an impediment to achieving this objective. Consequently, the body must be punished and deprived. In St. Paul's words: "Put to death the base pursuits of the body—for if you live according to the flesh, you shall die: but if by the spirit you mortify the deeds of the flesh, you shall live" (Romans 8:13). St. Paul clearly advocated somatosensory pleasure deprivation and enhancement of painful somatosensory stimulation as essential prerequisites for saving the soul.

"Now concerning the things whereof you wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman" (1 Corinthians, 7:1).

Aristotle did not view a state of war between the body and soul, but rather envisioned a complimentary relationship in which the state of the soul or mind was dependent on the state of the body. In fact he stated that "the care of the body ought to precede that of the soul." (Politica)

Aristotle also appreciated the reciprocal relationship between pleasure and pain, and recognized that a compulsive search for bodily pleasure originates from a state of bodily discomfort and pain:

Now, excess is possible in the case of the goods of the body, and it is the pursuit of excess, but not the pursuit of necessary pleasures, that makes a man bad. For all men get some kind of enjoyment from good food, wine, and sexual relations, but not everyone enjoys these things in the proper way. The reverse is true of pain: a bad person does not avoid an excess of it, but he avoids it altogether. For the opposite of an excess is pain only for the man who pursues the excess. . . .

Accordingly, we must now explain why the pleasures of the body appear to be more desirable. The first reason, then, is that pleasure drives out pain. When men experience an excess of pain, they pursue excessive pleasure and bodily pleasure in general, in the belief that it will remedy the pain. These remedial (pleasures) become very intense—and that is the very reason why they are pursued because they are experienced in contrast with their opposite. (Nichomachean Ethics, Book 7)

In his discussion of the highest good, Aristotle was quite explicit:

"Therefore, the highest good is some sort of pleasure, despite the fact that most pleasures are bad, and, if you like, bad in the unqualified sense of the word." (Nichomachean Ethics, Book 7)

It is evident that the Judeo-Christian concept of body pleasure is quite the opposite of that outlined by Aristotle, particularly, the relief of body pain and discomfort through somatosensory pleasure. This denial of somatosensory pleasure in Pauline Christian doctrine has led to alternative forms of 'relief' through such painful stimulations as hair-shirts, self-scourgings, self-mutilations, physical violence against others, and in the non-sensory pleasures of drugs.

Experimental animal studies have documented counterparts to these phenomena. For example, animals deprived of somatosensory stimulation will engage in mutilations of their own bodies. Animals deprived of touching early in life develop impaired pain perception and an aversion to being touched by others. They are thus blocked from experiencing the body-pleasure therapy that they need for rehabilitation. In this condition, they have few alternatives but physical violence, where pain-oriented touching and body contact is facilitated by their impaired ability to experience pain. Thus, physical violence and physical pain become therapies of choice for those deprived of physical pleasure.

The question arises as to how Christian philosophy and theology, which borrowed heavily from Aristotle, managed to avoid, if not outright reject, Aristotle's teachings regarding the morality of pleasure. The roots to this question can be found throughout the Old Testament, beginning with the account in Genesis of the expulsion of Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden. The first consequence of Eve's transgression was that nudity became shameful. This even may well be the beginning of man's hostility toward women and the equating of woman with evil, particularly the evils of the body. This is vividly portrayed in Zechariah (5:5-8) in an angel's description of the flying bushel:

"This is a bushel container coming. This is their guilt in all the land." Then a leaden cover was lifted and there was a woman sitting inside the bushel. "This is wickedness, he said, and he thrust her inside the bushel, pushing the leaden cover into the opening."

Violence against sexuality and the use of sexuality for violence, particularly against women, has very deep roots in Biblical tradition, and is spelled out very early. The nineteenth chapter of Genesis (19:1-11), the first book of the Old Testament, holds that the rape of woman is acceptable but the rape of man is "a wicked thing." This chapter about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah describes Lot's hospitality to two male travelers (actually two angels) who were housed with him. "
Article Body Pleasure and the Origins of Violence

Bit of a read, and this is just the excerpt, but worth-while.

Yes, everybody knows there was no violence on this planet until Jesus committed suicide by cop.

Thanks for reminding us.
 
You both didn't read the material clearly.

If the material is a defense of the title then there's no need to read the material. The title is the bold claim -- all else falls under the title. I've read the New Covenant Scriptures many times over and over a long period of time. Christianity does NOT call for or "create" violence. Period!! That's not to say that Christ, Himself, won't return and do some house-cleaning but He reserves that privilege for Himself.

See. The body proves the title.
THEY FOUND THE BODY!!!!!!????

I guess I gotta rethink this shit.
 
Mostly the Bible is misread especially by those who choose to fight against Christianity. Take an example mentioned in OP the woman rape in OT. The Jews as a whole were slaves of the Egyptians. Their women can be "legally" raped by the Egyptians. Moreover, a Jew raper cannot be punished hard for the reason that he's a property of his Egyptian master.

So the most efficient way to protect women is to hide them deep inside the house. So what mentioned in OT mostly dealt with women who actively went out of the house (her hiding place) to try to attract men. There were virtually not many actual raping occurred, as by the very culture of the Jews that they seldom hurt their own people this way. In the case when it did occur, the 2 families would have to settle it either with compensation, or with life time commitment by marrying the woman. Punishing the raper may be out of option. The raper is the asset of his Egyptian master.

By disregarding this historical factor, a lot will read the Bible as if it encourages raping.
 
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Mostly the Bible is misread especially by those who choose to fight against Christianity. Take an example mentioned in OP the woman rape in OT. The Jews as a whole were slaves of the Egyptians. Their women can be "legally" raped by the Egyptians. Moreover, a Jew raper cannot be punished hard for the reason that he's a property of his Egyptian master.

So the most efficient way to protect women is to hide them deep inside the house. So what mentioned in OT mostly dealt with women who actively went out of the house (her hiding place) to try to attract men. There were virtually not many actual raping occurred, as by the very culture of the Jews that they seldom hurt their own people this way. In the case when it did occur, the 2 families would have to settle it either with compensation, or with life time commitment by marrying the woman. Punishing the raper may be out of option. The raper is the asset of his Egyptian master.

By disregarding this historical factor, a lot will read the Bible as if it encourages raping.

The laws handed down through Moses came after the exodus, so none of that would apply.
 

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