emilynghiem
Constitutionalist / Universalist
Forgiveness is what correlates with healing. The more forgiving you are the more healing energy flows through your thoughts words and actions, mind body and spirit, and relations with others in greater society. BTW Mickiel my top favorite atheist in the world, Ray Hill, teaches forgiveness and free grace in life, the same as Christians, but doesn't use God or Jesus to teach that. He considers it a natural law or process in life. So the difference between you and him is he does understand forgiveness and healing is better for his mental health and clarity to let go. But you want to keep holding on to your unforgiveness and blame of Christianity, not considering how this is harming you to Harbor that negative thinking that affects you not them.Look into spiritual healing my friend, and get back to this . You'll be relieved and grateful to understand how Christians are the key to correcting the religious abuses as well as the injury and damage resulting . There is far more good news than bad, and you will rejoice to know how committed the Good Christians are in this battle they all take seriously as their life calling.The true Christians I know ALL agree with you. The difference is they take responsibility for correcting and rebuking false teachers who abuse and do wrong. Mickiel if you can't correct the problem the way Christians can correct their own peers, that is what I mean by atheists depending on Christians to do this work. That is why the good in Christianity outweighs the bad because Christians are called to clean up their own camps.
Christianity cannot correct itself, and what little good it does, is not because of the religion, its because of a few good people. Christianity is an over rated system, with blown up reputation and unbiblical support. Christianity cannot clean itself , the way to do that is not even in man, Jer. 10:23. Christianity was destined for dirt and it has the most horrible doctrines I know of in religion. They have perverted the salvation of God.
For all the bad and horrors you've seen, the healing and happiness that overcomes these is far far greater. The bigger the debts and damages, the greater the restitution and rewards. That is the power of justice and salvation by grace. That is the meaning behind faith in Jesup is faith in justice.
Take heart Take courage Take care
Commit to truth and it sets us free from division and strife.
Love of truth love of justice
Love of peace for all humanity
May your love be greater than your fear
May your willingness toward change be greater than your fear of the unknown
May your inclusion of all humanity in seeing corrections and prevention of abuse and wrongs be greater than your fear of evil and selfish rejection and conflict.
May all the best things in humanity overcome and outweigh our worst wrongs
In Christ jesus name, for the sake of restorative justice and lasting peace amen
Well thank you for your concern, but Christianity has absolutely nothing to do with my healing, and will have nothing to do with God healing this world. Christianity has no " Holy Image" in my mind and I don't equate anything spiritual to them and their namesake religion.
I keep holding on to what I see as the truth; Christianity is the great Trojan horse that imploded inside of this world and helped pervert the true gospel of the salvation of all of humanity. My mental health is outside of Christian influence; I am free of the Christian web. I hold no slave mentality to any religion; my forgiveness comes from God, and neither you or any Christian can do anything about that.
Dear Mickiel
Sorry I missed where you are coming from.
Yes, I agree that the forgiveness that makes the difference (not just between effective/true or abusive/false practice of Christianity but of Atheism, Buddhism, Constitutionalism and any other laws or systems)
comes from Nature or God. It is not dependent on Christianity as the "only denomination."
What I mean by Christianity is the universal sense of true Charity and true Justice
that ALL people can embrace.
What makes people equal is living and embodying these laws equally,
and that is ultimately what Christian faith means -- when people "take the laws of restorative
justice to HEART and live them by CONSCIENCE" we become neighbors "in Christ"
Or by conscience COLLECTIVELY whether we are Jew or Gentile, Believer or nontheist,
or we put church before state or state before church authority. As long as we put
universal justice or equal justice first which includes "our neighbor as ourselves"
then we have that spirit that Christians call Christ Jesus that allows us
to establish "God's will through Christ on earth" or the ultimate ideal good will
for all humanity for Peace and Justice on earth or the Kingdom of God/heavenly peace.
I was on my phone last night, and could barely scroll up and down and reply.
So I missed what you were saying, sorry.
I thought you were arguing from the viewpoint of an atheist,
so I was wondering why you were so consistent sounding if you were atheist!
But I see you are a theist, but may be some other denomination other than
what you call Christianity.
I believe that ALL tribes will be joined together in the spirit of Christ and
are included in the Kingdom of God, so there is no need to "judge people
by denomination or affiliation" people organize by Groups for a reason,
just like the several states united under one union. Just because we
are all under one unifying law that is the spirit of the entire collective
of people, that doesn't nullify the diverse state laws that govern people locally.
So Christianity has two meanings, it can mean the culture and local laws
that not everyone subscribes to. Or it can mean the universal spirit of
the laws of "Truth Justice and Peace" that all humans are governed by
inherently by our human nature: the gentiles may use Natural Laws to
describe these universal laws that are built into human nature, while
the believers may use Scriptural or religious terms to describe spiritual laws.
Again, just because our languages for the laws are diverse and RELATIVE,
where they are NOT required or a condition for any person to put one over the other
(in fact, our Constitution forbids Govt from doing this, from favoring or excluding
one religion over another), doesn't means they don't all "represent universal laws
that govern all humanity." Those laws like you said "come from God" and
the religions are relative expressions used to try to capture convey and
represent those laws so people can study, learn, resolve conflicts and agree on common terms.
Mickiel what I will say is mandatory is that if Christians have committed
to Christian practice laws and authority, then Christians are bound to correct
themselves and fellow Christians. So if you don't want to be responsible for
that, I suggest you neither judge or criticize Christians either, or else you
share responsibility for the process. Like if I don't want to get involved in
proving or disproving global warming, I should not do research halfway
and start publishing opinions on that I might have to go correct later.
I would suggest leaving the rebuke of Christianity to Christians
who have committed to resolving all such conflicts. If you would
like to help with this, I suggest you fully research the difference
between effective/natural/voluntary Spiritual Healing that saves lives vs. false
faith healing that is dangerous and spreads misinformation that gets people killed.
Since you and I commit to God I think we can speak a common language
that way by using your terms to describe these same laws.
I have committed to learning and using the languages in Christianity
and also Constitutionalism to check both church and state from abuses.
Where I am not technical enough, at least I know to refer to other experts
who can go even further into the history and interpretations of church
and state laws to correct the record and resolve conflicts with others.
I can only go so far, and try to stick to layman's terms the average
person can get, so I learn the very minimum necessary to resolve
conflicts and teach these things uniformly and publicly.
Thanks for explaining where you are coming from Mickiel
As long as you can forgive and include ALL neighbors in the
spirit of truth justice and peace to unite all humanity as one
that is the spirit of Christianity. When we call on Jesus it may
be by secular names of Justice or Conscience but it is still
the Universal Justice that unites humanity "by conscience"
that is the Meaning behind praying and agreeing "in Christ Jesus"
I feel that you have this spirit Mickiel but you
just don't relate it to the Christian Jesus because
you see most of Christianity as Antichrist and contradicting
the God that you know to be true. Again, all the true
Believers I know would AGREE with you, and the main
difference is the degree to which we FORGIVE Christians
for abuses of that faith, and we give equal weight to the good
that Christians and Christianity does bring to the world.